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i'm not wanting to set off alarm bells, but i got this email from another

group today about tusizi being banned. is this accurate to anyone's

knowledge?

 

Hey All,

Laura just posted a startling bit of info:

 

" I have just learned that the USDA will no longer allow the importation of

cuscuta, dodder seed, tu si zi, in any form. A USDA representative came to

my office to see if I had any in my pharmacy. "

 

kath

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

 

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I know I can't get it any more...I believe it is something about it being

invasive....that said. Dodder seed does grow here in the South east (at least).

Any botanists (i'm just an herbalist) know if it is similar botanically or in

medicinal property? Guess I will add it to things to check into.

 

Be well,

Bob

Robert Linde, AP, RH

Professional Herbalists Training Program

Acupuncture & Herbal Therapies

901 Central Ave

St. Petersburg, FL 33705

www.acuherbals.com

727-551-0857

 

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, wrote:

 

 

 

Tusizi banned?

" PCOM Alumni " <alumni

Cc: " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:07 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

i'm not wanting to set off alarm bells, but i got this email from another

group today about tusizi being banned. is this accurate to anyone's

knowledge?

 

Hey All,

Laura just posted a startling bit of info:

 

" I have just learned that the USDA will no longer allow the importation of

cuscuta, dodder seed, tu si zi, in any form. A USDA representative came to

my office to see if I had any in my pharmacy. "

 

kath

 

--

 

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath. blogspot. com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon. com/Flying- Dragon-Liniment- Eco-Friendly- Wild-Crafted/

dp/B001OC1AZ2/ ref=sr_1_ 1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid= 1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

 

 

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Tu Si Zi is sold in a ³cube² (.5²x.5²x.5²) by Crane Herb from Spring Wind

Herbs with no detected pesticides, insecticides, fungicides.

$11.99 for 1 pound bag.

 

Spring Wind Herbs label : ³Tu Si Zi Bing (cuscuta seed cakes) are made by

mixing Tu Si Zi with water and flour and baking the result. Then the cakes

are cut into pretty little cubes. Why do we hae them? Because Cuscuta is

considered an invasive plant, the USDA does not allow import of the viable

seed. For some time importers were allowed to import the seeds if they were

cooked under enough heat to make them non-viable. Lately (in late 2008), the

USDA became stricter and would not allow any loose Tu Si Zi into the

country. At this point, only the cooked cake is allowed entry. The function

of the caked item is the same as the Tu Si Zi you are familiar with, but

because this form contains wheat flour, it is not appropriate for patients

who are allergic to wheat.²

 

Bill Egloff

Crane Herb Co.

 

 

 

On 12/7/09 10:23 AM, " Bob Linde, AP, Herbalist "

<boblindeherbalist wrote:

 

>

>

>

>

>

> I know I can't get it any more...I believe it is something about it being

> invasive....that said. Dodder seed does grow here in the South east (at

> least). Any botanists (i'm just an herbalist) know if it is similar

> botanically or in medicinal property? Guess I will add it to things to check

> into.

>

> Be well,

> Bob

> Robert Linde, AP, RH

> Professional Herbalists Training Program

> Acupuncture & Herbal Therapies

> 901 Central Ave

> St. Petersburg, FL 33705

> www.acuherbals.com

> 727-551-0857

>

> --- On Mon, 12/7/09, <acukath

> <acukath%40gmail.com> > wrote:

>

> <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com> >

> Tusizi banned?

> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni

> <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu> >

> Cc: " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40> >

> Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:07 AM

>

>  

>

> i'm not wanting to set off alarm bells, but i got this email from another

> group today about tusizi being banned. is this accurate to anyone's

> knowledge?

>

> Hey All,

> Laura just posted a startling bit of info:

>

> " I have just learned that the USDA will no longer allow the importation of

> cuscuta, dodder seed, tu si zi, in any form. A USDA representative came to

> my office to see if I had any in my pharmacy. "

>

> kath

 

 

 

 

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i've still been getting it from golden needle.

 

kath

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Bob Linde, AP, Herbalist <

boblindeherbalist wrote:

 

>

>

> I know I can't get it any more...I believe it is something about it being

> invasive....that said. Dodder seed does grow here in the South east (at

> least). Any botanists (i'm just an herbalist) know if it is similar

> botanically or in medicinal property? Guess I will add it to things to check

> into.

>

> Be well,

> Bob

> Robert Linde, AP, RH

> Professional Herbalists Training Program

> Acupuncture & Herbal Therapies

> 901 Central Ave

> St. Petersburg, FL 33705

> www.acuherbals.com

> 727-551-0857

>

> --- On Mon, 12/7/09,

<acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>

> Tusizi banned?

> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

> >

> Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

> >

> Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:07 AM

>

>

>

>

> i'm not wanting to set off alarm bells, but i got this email from another

> group today about tusizi being banned. is this accurate to anyone's

> knowledge?

>

> Hey All,

> Laura just posted a startling bit of info:

>

> " I have just learned that the USDA will no longer allow the importation of

> cuscuta, dodder seed, tu si zi, in any form. A USDA representative came to

> my office to see if I had any in my pharmacy. "

>

> kath

>

> --

>

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Abstain from all that is evil.

> Perform all that is good.

> Purify your thoughts.

> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath. blogspot. com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

>

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> Amazon.com

> http://www.amazon. com/Flying- Dragon-Liniment- Eco-Friendly-

> Wild-Crafted/ dp/B001OC1AZ2/ ref=sr_1_ 1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid= 1254968032 &

> sr=8-1

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

> 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

>

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

> www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

>

>

>

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thanks for elaborating bill, this is helpful.

 

could it be baked with a non-hypoallergenic flour, such as rice to avoid the

allergy issue?

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:07 PM, William Egloff <bill wrote:

 

>

>

> Tu Si Zi is sold in a ³cube² (.5²x.5²x.5²) by Crane Herb from Spring Wind

> Herbs with no detected pesticides, insecticides, fungicides.

> $11.99 for 1 pound bag.

>

> Spring Wind Herbs label : ³Tu Si Zi Bing (cuscuta seed cakes) are made by

> mixing Tu Si Zi with water and flour and baking the result. Then the cakes

> are cut into pretty little cubes. Why do we hae them? Because Cuscuta is

> considered an invasive plant, the USDA does not allow import of the viable

> seed. For some time importers were allowed to import the seeds if they were

> cooked under enough heat to make them non-viable. Lately (in late 2008),

> the

> USDA became stricter and would not allow any loose Tu Si Zi into the

> country. At this point, only the cooked cake is allowed entry. The function

> of the caked item is the same as the Tu Si Zi you are familiar with, but

> because this form contains wheat flour, it is not appropriate for patients

> who are allergic to wheat.²

>

> Bill Egloff

> Crane Herb Co.

>

> On 12/7/09 10:23 AM, " Bob Linde, AP, Herbalist "

>

> <boblindeherbalist <boblindeherbalist%40>> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I know I can't get it any more...I believe it is something about it being

> > invasive....that said. Dodder seed does grow here in the South east (at

> > least). Any botanists (i'm just an herbalist) know if it is similar

> > botanically or in medicinal property? Guess I will add it to things to

> check

> > into.

> >

> > Be well,

> > Bob

> > Robert Linde, AP, RH

> > Professional Herbalists Training Program

> > Acupuncture & Herbal Therapies

> > 901 Central Ave

> > St. Petersburg, FL 33705

> > www.acuherbals.com

> > 727-551-0857

> >

> > --- On Mon, 12/7/09,

<acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>

> > <acukath%40gmail.com <acukath%2540gmail.com>> > wrote:

> >

> > <acukath

<acukath%40gmail.com><

> acukath%40gmail.com <acukath%2540gmail.com>> >

>

> > Tusizi banned?

> > " PCOM Alumni " <alumni<alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

> > <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu <alumni%2540pacificcollege.edu>> >

>

> > Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

> >

<Chinese Traditional Medicine%40<traditional_chinese_medic\

ine%2540>>

> >

>

> > Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:07 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > i'm not wanting to set off alarm bells, but i got this email from another

> > group today about tusizi being banned. is this accurate to anyone's

> > knowledge?

> >

> > Hey All,

> > Laura just posted a startling bit of info:

> >

> > " I have just learned that the USDA will no longer allow the importation

> of

> > cuscuta, dodder seed, tu si zi, in any form. A USDA representative came

> to

> > my office to see if I had any in my pharmacy. "

> >

> > kath

>

>

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David Toone, L.Ac.

Health without Drugs or Surgery

105 Tivoli Gardens

Peachtree City, GA 30269

770.780.9608

info

www.davidtoone.com

 

Kath,

 

I am curious how many people have had visits by the USDA. I posted

that I had a similar experience a month or so ago, but I did not give

them access to my herb room.

 

My understanding is that the unprocessed Tu Su Zi is a problem -- even

the dry fried (chao) form that I bought from Nuherbs -- because it is

considered an invasive species.

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2009, at 12:19 PM, wrote:

 

> thanks for elaborating bill, this is helpful.

>

> could it be baked with a non-hypoallergenic flour, such as rice to

> avoid the

> allergy issue?

>

> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:07 PM, William Egloff <bill

> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Tu Si Zi is sold in a ³cube² (.5²x.5²x.5²) by Crane Herb from

>> Spring Wind

>> Herbs with no detected pesticides, insecticides, fungicides.

>> $11.99 for 1 pound bag.

>>

>> Spring Wind Herbs label : ³Tu Si Zi Bing (cuscuta seed cakes) are

>> made by

>> mixing Tu Si Zi with water and flour and baking the result. Then

>> the cakes

>> are cut into pretty little cubes. Why do we hae them? Because

>> Cuscuta is

>> considered an invasive plant, the USDA does not allow import of the

>> viable

>> seed. For some time importers were allowed to import the seeds if

>> they were

>> cooked under enough heat to make them non-viable. Lately (in late

>> 2008),

>> the

>> USDA became stricter and would not allow any loose Tu Si Zi into the

>> country. At this point, only the cooked cake is allowed entry. The

>> function

>> of the caked item is the same as the Tu Si Zi you are familiar

>> with, but

>> because this form contains wheat flour, it is not appropriate for

>> patients

>> who are allergic to wheat.²

>>

>> Bill Egloff

>> Crane Herb Co.

>>

>> On 12/7/09 10:23 AM, " Bob Linde, AP, Herbalist "

>>

>> <boblindeherbalist <boblindeherbalist%40>> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I know I can't get it any more...I believe it is something about

>>> it being

>>> invasive....that said. Dodder seed does grow here in the South

>>> east (at

>>> least). Any botanists (i'm just an herbalist) know if it is similar

>>> botanically or in medicinal property? Guess I will add it to

>>> things to

>> check

>>> into.

>>>

>>> Be well,

>>> Bob

>>> Robert Linde, AP, RH

>>> Professional Herbalists Training Program

>>> Acupuncture & Herbal Therapies

>>> 901 Central Ave

>>> St. Petersburg, FL 33705

>>> www.acuherbals.com

>>> 727-551-0857

>>>

>>> --- On Mon, 12/7/09,

>>> <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>

>>> <acukath%40gmail.com <acukath%2540gmail.com>> > wrote:

>>>

>>> <acukath <acukath

>>> %40gmail.com><

>> acukath%40gmail.com <acukath%2540gmail.com>> >

>>

>>> Tusizi banned?

>>> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni<alumni

>>> %40pacificcollege.edu>

>>> <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu <alumni

>>> %2540pacificcollege.edu>> >

>>

>>> Cc: " TCM List "

>>> <

>>> Chinese Traditional Medicine

>>> @<Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>

>>> <Chinese Traditional Medicine

>>> %40<Chinese Traditional Medicine

>>> %2540>>

>>>

>>

>>> Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:07 AM

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> i'm not wanting to set off alarm bells, but i got this email from

>>> another

>>> group today about tusizi being banned. is this accurate to anyone's

>>> knowledge?

>>>

>>> Hey All,

>>> Laura just posted a startling bit of info:

>>>

>>> " I have just learned that the USDA will no longer allow the

>>> importation

>> of

>>> cuscuta, dodder seed, tu si zi, in any form. A USDA representative

>>> came

>> to

>>> my office to see if I had any in my pharmacy. "

>>>

>>> kath

>>

>>

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you and this other i just emailed about are the only 2 i know of. someone

on another group wondered if it was a scam to get fine money, as this

doesn't seem to be a usda issue. they are understaffed and not an enforcing

agency.

 

kath

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:48 PM, David Toone <david wrote:

 

>

>

>

> David Toone, L.Ac.

> Health without Drugs or Surgery

> 105 Tivoli Gardens

> Peachtree City, GA 30269

> 770.780.9608

> info <info%40davidtoone.com>

> www.davidtoone.com

>

> Kath,

>

> I am curious how many people have had visits by the USDA. I posted

> that I had a similar experience a month or so ago, but I did not give

> them access to my herb room.

>

> My understanding is that the unprocessed Tu Su Zi is a problem -- even

> the dry fried (chao) form that I bought from Nuherbs -- because it is

> considered an invasive species.

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

 

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Got it. The officers who showed up at my clinic were not fake, they

left their card and their car had government plates on it. The

following day we called the number on the card, dialed 0 for the

operator which got us to the front desk which they answered and asked

for the officers by name. They were out of this office:

 

http://tinyurl.com/y927x87

 

When I talked to the folks at Springwind and Asia Naturals, they both

confirmed the the USDA is looking into this. The USDA is definitely

has enforcement jurisdiction:

 

http://tinyurl.com/yjf3my5

 

In this case, I was just about the closest acupuncture office to their

office. I wonder if the other acupuncturist was also very close to a

UDSA field office.

 

David Toone, L.Ac.

Health without Drugs or Surgery

105 Tivoli Gardens

Peachtree City, GA 30269

770.780.9608

info

www.davidtoone.com

 

On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, wrote:

 

> you and this other i just emailed about are the only 2 i know of.

> someone

> on another group wondered if it was a scam to get fine money, as this

> doesn't seem to be a usda issue. they are understaffed and not an

> enforcing

> agency.

>

> kath

>

> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:48 PM, David Toone <david wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > David Toone, L.Ac.

> > Health without Drugs or Surgery

> > 105 Tivoli Gardens

> > Peachtree City, GA 30269

> > 770.780.9608

> > info <info%40davidtoone.com>

> > www.davidtoone.com

> >

> > Kath,

> >

> > I am curious how many people have had visits by the USDA. I posted

> > that I had a similar experience a month or so ago, but I did not

> give

> > them access to my herb room.

> >

> > My understanding is that the unprocessed Tu Su Zi is a problem --

> even

> > the dry fried (chao) form that I bought from Nuherbs -- because it

> is

> > considered an invasive species.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

>

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Abstain from all that is evil.

> Perform all that is good.

> Purify your thoughts.

> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> Amazon.com

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett

> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

>

>

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i don't really know anything about the other LAc. it was an email from

another group i don't really participate in that got into my email box.

 

could i foward your info in this email to another LAc off list who is

interested in this issue?

 

kath

 

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM, David Toone <david wrote:

 

>

>

> Got it. The officers who showed up at my clinic were not fake, they

> left their card and their car had government plates on it. The

> following day we called the number on the card, dialed 0 for the

> operator which got us to the front desk which they answered and asked

> for the officers by name. They were out of this office:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/y927x87

>

> When I talked to the folks at Springwind and Asia Naturals, they both

> confirmed the the USDA is looking into this. The USDA is definitely

> has enforcement jurisdiction:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/yjf3my5

>

> In this case, I was just about the closest acupuncture office to their

> office. I wonder if the other acupuncturist was also very close to a

> UDSA field office.

>

>

> David Toone, L.Ac.

> Health without Drugs or Surgery

> 105 Tivoli Gardens

> Peachtree City, GA 30269

> 770.780.9608

> info <info%40davidtoone.com>

> www.davidtoone.com

>

> On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, wrote:

>

> > you and this other i just emailed about are the only 2 i know of.

> > someone

> > on another group wondered if it was a scam to get fine money, as this

> > doesn't seem to be a usda issue. they are understaffed and not an

> > enforcing

> > agency.

> >

> > kath

> >

> > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:48 PM, David Toone

<david<david%40toone.org>>

> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > David Toone, L.Ac.

> > > Health without Drugs or Surgery

> > > 105 Tivoli Gardens

> > > Peachtree City, GA 30269

> > > 770.780.9608

> > > info <info%40davidtoone.com> <info%40davidtoone.com>

>

> > > www.davidtoone.com

> > >

> > > Kath,

> > >

> > > I am curious how many people have had visits by the USDA. I posted

> > > that I had a similar experience a month or so ago, but I did not

> > give

> > > them access to my herb room.

> > >

> > > My understanding is that the unprocessed Tu Su Zi is a problem --

> > even

> > > the dry fried (chao) form that I bought from Nuherbs -- because it

> > is

> > > considered an invasive species.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > --

> >

> > Oriental Medicine

> > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> >

> > Abstain from all that is evil.

> > Perform all that is good.

> > Purify your thoughts.

> > This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

> >

> > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> > http://acukath.blogspot.com/

> >

> > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > Available at Asheville Center for :

> > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

> >

> > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> >

> > Amazon.com

> >

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

> >

> > and from the following supply companies:

> > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

> >

> > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> >

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

> >

> > Asheville Center For

> > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

> > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

> >

> >

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Sure.

 

 

On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:27 PM, wrote:

 

> i don't really know anything about the other LAc. it was an email

> from

> another group i don't really participate in that got into my email

> box.

>

> could i foward your info in this email to another LAc off list who is

> interested in this issue?

>

> kath

>

> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM, David Toone <david wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Got it. The officers who showed up at my clinic were not fake, they

>> left their card and their car had government plates on it. The

>> following day we called the number on the card, dialed 0 for the

>> operator which got us to the front desk which they answered and asked

>> for the officers by name. They were out of this office:

>>

>> http://tinyurl.com/y927x87

>>

>> When I talked to the folks at Springwind and Asia Naturals, they both

>> confirmed the the USDA is looking into this. The USDA is definitely

>> has enforcement jurisdiction:

>>

>> http://tinyurl.com/yjf3my5

>>

>> In this case, I was just about the closest acupuncture office to

>> their

>> office. I wonder if the other acupuncturist was also very close to a

>> UDSA field office.

>>

>>

>> David Toone, L.Ac.

>> Health without Drugs or Surgery

>> 105 Tivoli Gardens

>> Peachtree City, GA 30269

>> 770.780.9608

>> info <info%40davidtoone.com>

>> www.davidtoone.com

>>

>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, wrote:

>>

>>> you and this other i just emailed about are the only 2 i know of.

>>> someone

>>> on another group wondered if it was a scam to get fine money, as

>>> this

>>> doesn't seem to be a usda issue. they are understaffed and not an

>>> enforcing

>>> agency.

>>>

>>> kath

>>>

>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:48 PM, David Toone <david<david

>>> %40toone.org>>

>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> David Toone, L.Ac.

>>>> Health without Drugs or Surgery

>>>> 105 Tivoli Gardens

>>>> Peachtree City, GA 30269

>>>> 770.780.9608

>>>> info <info%40davidtoone.com> <info%40davidtoone.com>

>>

>>>> www.davidtoone.com

>>>>

>>>> Kath,

>>>>

>>>> I am curious how many people have had visits by the USDA. I posted

>>>> that I had a similar experience a month or so ago, but I did not

>>> give

>>>> them access to my herb room.

>>>>

>>>> My understanding is that the unprocessed Tu Su Zi is a problem --

>>> even

>>>> the dry fried (chao) form that I bought from Nuherbs -- because it

>>> is

>>>> considered an invasive species.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>>

>>> Oriental Medicine

>>> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>>>

>>> Abstain from all that is evil.

>>> Perform all that is good.

>>> Purify your thoughts.

>>> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

>>>

>>> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

>>> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

>>>

>>> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

>>> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

>>> Available at Asheville Center for :

>>> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

>>>

>>> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>>>

>>> Amazon.com

>>>

>>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

>>>

>>> and from the following supply companies:

>>> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

>>> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>>>

>>> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>>>

>>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>>>

>>> Asheville Center For

>>> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

>>> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

>>> kbartlett<kbartlett

>>> %40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

>>> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

>>>

>>>

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I just ordered many bottles of Tu Si Zi just in case. This whole thing with the

FDA is really irking me.

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , David Toone <david

wrote:

>

> Sure.

>

>

> On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:27 PM, wrote:

>

> > i don't really know anything about the other LAc. it was an email

> > from

> > another group i don't really participate in that got into my email

> > box.

> >

> > could i foward your info in this email to another LAc off list who is

> > interested in this issue?

> >

> > kath

> >

> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM, David Toone <david wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Got it. The officers who showed up at my clinic were not fake, they

> >> left their card and their car had government plates on it. The

> >> following day we called the number on the card, dialed 0 for the

> >> operator which got us to the front desk which they answered and asked

> >> for the officers by name. They were out of this office:

> >>

> >> http://tinyurl.com/y927x87

> >>

> >> When I talked to the folks at Springwind and Asia Naturals, they both

> >> confirmed the the USDA is looking into this. The USDA is definitely

> >> has enforcement jurisdiction:

> >>

> >> http://tinyurl.com/yjf3my5

> >>

> >> In this case, I was just about the closest acupuncture office to

> >> their

> >> office. I wonder if the other acupuncturist was also very close to a

> >> UDSA field office.

> >>

> >>

> >> David Toone, L.Ac.

> >> Health without Drugs or Surgery

> >> 105 Tivoli Gardens

> >> Peachtree City, GA 30269

> >> 770.780.9608

> >> info <info%40davidtoone.com>

> >> www.davidtoone.com

> >>

> >> On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, wrote:

> >>

> >>> you and this other i just emailed about are the only 2 i know of.

> >>> someone

> >>> on another group wondered if it was a scam to get fine money, as

> >>> this

> >>> doesn't seem to be a usda issue. they are understaffed and not an

> >>> enforcing

> >>> agency.

> >>>

> >>> kath

> >>>

> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:48 PM, David Toone <david<david

> >>> %40toone.org>>

> >> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> David Toone, L.Ac.

> >>>> Health without Drugs or Surgery

> >>>> 105 Tivoli Gardens

> >>>> Peachtree City, GA 30269

> >>>> 770.780.9608

> >>>> info <info%40davidtoone.com> <info%40davidtoone.com>

> >>

> >>>> www.davidtoone.com

> >>>>

> >>>> Kath,

> >>>>

> >>>> I am curious how many people have had visits by the USDA. I posted

> >>>> that I had a similar experience a month or so ago, but I did not

> >>> give

> >>>> them access to my herb room.

> >>>>

> >>>> My understanding is that the unprocessed Tu Su Zi is a problem --

> >>> even

> >>>> the dry fried (chao) form that I bought from Nuherbs -- because it

> >>> is

> >>>> considered an invasive species.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> --

> >>>

> >>> Oriental Medicine

> >>> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> >>>

> >>> Abstain from all that is evil.

> >>> Perform all that is good.

> >>> Purify your thoughts.

> >>> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

> >>>

> >>> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> >>> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

> >>>

> >>> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> >>> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> >>> Available at Asheville Center for :

> >>> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

> >>>

> >>> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> >>>

> >>> Amazon.com

> >>>

> >>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

> >>>

> >>> and from the following supply companies:

> >>> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> >>> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

> >>>

> >>> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> >>>

> >>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

> >>>

> >>> Asheville Center For

> >>> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> >>> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> >>> kbartlett<kbartlett

> >>> %40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

> >>> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

> >>>

> >>>

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Powders made in Taiwan, would not be a problem, since the seeds are

not viable -- it is only the whole raw unaltered seeds that could be

planted in the US and therefore introduce a new invasive species. The

problem has nothing to do with the US Food and Drug Administration

(FDA), but rather with the United States Department of Agriculture

(USDA).

 

 

David

 

 

David Toone, L.Ac.

Health without Drugs or Surgery

105 Tivoli Gardens

Peachtree City, GA 30269

770.780.9608

info

www.davidtoone.com

 

On Dec 12, 2009, at 4:06 AM, heylaurag wrote:

 

> I just ordered many bottles of Tu Si Zi just in case. This whole

> thing with the FDA is really irking me.

>

> Chinese Medicine , David Toone

> <david wrote:

> >

> > Sure.

> >

> >

> > On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:27 PM, wrote:

> >

> > > i don't really know anything about the other LAc. it was an email

> > > from

> > > another group i don't really participate in that got into my email

> > > box.

> > >

> > > could i foward your info in this email to another LAc off list

> who is

> > > interested in this issue?

> > >

> > > kath

> > >

> > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM, David Toone <david wrote:

> > >

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Got it. The officers who showed up at my clinic were not fake,

> they

> > >> left their card and their car had government plates on it. The

> > >> following day we called the number on the card, dialed 0 for the

> > >> operator which got us to the front desk which they answered and

> asked

> > >> for the officers by name. They were out of this office:

> > >>

> > >> http://tinyurl.com/y927x87

> > >>

> > >> When I talked to the folks at Springwind and Asia Naturals,

> they both

> > >> confirmed the the USDA is looking into this. The USDA is

> definitely

> > >> has enforcement jurisdiction:

> > >>

> > >> http://tinyurl.com/yjf3my5

> > >>

> > >> In this case, I was just about the closest acupuncture office to

> > >> their

> > >> office. I wonder if the other acupuncturist was also very close

> to a

> > >> UDSA field office.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> David Toone, L.Ac.

> > >> Health without Drugs or Surgery

> > >> 105 Tivoli Gardens

> > >> Peachtree City, GA 30269

> > >> 770.780.9608

> > >> info <info%40davidtoone.com>

> > >> www.davidtoone.com

> > >>

> > >> On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, wrote:

> > >>

> > >>> you and this other i just emailed about are the only 2 i know

> of.

> > >>> someone

> > >>> on another group wondered if it was a scam to get fine money, as

> > >>> this

> > >>> doesn't seem to be a usda issue. they are understaffed and not

> an

> > >>> enforcing

> > >>> agency.

> > >>>

> > >>> kath

> > >>>

> > >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:48 PM, David Toone <david<david

> > >>> %40toone.org>>

> > >> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> David Toone, L.Ac.

> > >>>> Health without Drugs or Surgery

> > >>>> 105 Tivoli Gardens

> > >>>> Peachtree City, GA 30269

> > >>>> 770.780.9608

> > >>>> info <info%40davidtoone.com> <info%40davidtoone.com>

> > >>

> > >>>> www.davidtoone.com

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Kath,

> > >>>>

> > >>>> I am curious how many people have had visits by the USDA. I

> posted

> > >>>> that I had a similar experience a month or so ago, but I did

> not

> > >>> give

> > >>>> them access to my herb room.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> My understanding is that the unprocessed Tu Su Zi is a

> problem --

> > >>> even

> > >>>> the dry fried (chao) form that I bought from Nuherbs --

> because it

> > >>> is

> > >>>> considered an invasive species.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>

> > >>> --

> > >>>

> > >>> Oriental Medicine

> > >>> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> > >>>

> > >>> Abstain from all that is evil.

> > >>> Perform all that is good.

> > >>> Purify your thoughts.

> > >>> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

> > >>>

> > >>> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living &

> Spirituality:

> > >>> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

> > >>>

> > >>> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles &

> joints

> > >>> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > >>> Available at Asheville Center for :

> > >>> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

> > >>>

> > >>> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> > >>>

> > >>> Amazon.com

> > >>>

> > >>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

> > >>>

> > >>> and from the following supply companies:

> > >>> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > >>> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

> > >>>

> > >>> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> > >>>

> > >>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

> > >>>

> > >>> Asheville Center For

> > >>> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > >>> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > >>> kbartlett<kbartlett

> > >>> %40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

> > >>> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

> > >>>

> > >>>

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david:

 

another practitioner is wondering whether you have a large clinic? we're

puzzled by why you seem to have been singled out. is their office near

yours?

 

kath

 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:32 PM, David Toone <david wrote:

 

>

>

> Sure.

>

>

> On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:27 PM, wrote:

>

> > i don't really know anything about the other LAc. it was an email

> > from

> > another group i don't really participate in that got into my email

> > box.

> >

> > could i foward your info in this email to another LAc off list who is

> > interested in this issue?

> >

> > kath

> >

> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM, David Toone

<david<david%40toone.org>>

> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Got it. The officers who showed up at my clinic were not fake, they

> >> left their card and their car had government plates on it. The

> >> following day we called the number on the card, dialed 0 for the

> >> operator which got us to the front desk which they answered and asked

> >> for the officers by name. They were out of this office:

> >>

> >> http://tinyurl.com/y927x87

> >>

> >> When I talked to the folks at Springwind and Asia Naturals, they both

> >> confirmed the the USDA is looking into this. The USDA is definitely

> >> has enforcement jurisdiction:

> >>

> >> http://tinyurl.com/yjf3my5

> >>

> >> In this case, I was just about the closest acupuncture office to

> >> their

> >> office. I wonder if the other acupuncturist was also very close to a

> >> UDSA field office.

> >>

> >>

> >> David Toone, L.Ac.

> >> Health without Drugs or Surgery

> >> 105 Tivoli Gardens

> >> Peachtree City, GA 30269

> >> 770.780.9608

> >> info <info%40davidtoone.com> <info%40davidtoone.com>

> >> www.davidtoone.com

> >>

> >> On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, wrote:

> >>

> >>> you and this other i just emailed about are the only 2 i know of.

> >>> someone

> >>> on another group wondered if it was a scam to get fine money, as

> >>> this

> >>> doesn't seem to be a usda issue. they are understaffed and not an

> >>> enforcing

> >>> agency.

> >>>

> >>> kath

> >>>

> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:48 PM, David Toone

<david<david%40toone.org><david

>

> >>> %40toone.org>>

>

> >> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> David Toone, L.Ac.

> >>>> Health without Drugs or Surgery

> >>>> 105 Tivoli Gardens

> >>>> Peachtree City, GA 30269

> >>>> 770.780.9608

> >>>> info <info%40davidtoone.com> <info%40davidtoone.com>

> <info%40davidtoone.com>

>

> >>

> >>>> www.davidtoone.com

> >>>>

> >>>> Kath,

> >>>>

> >>>> I am curious how many people have had visits by the USDA. I posted

> >>>> that I had a similar experience a month or so ago, but I did not

> >>> give

> >>>> them access to my herb room.

> >>>>

> >>>> My understanding is that the unprocessed Tu Su Zi is a problem --

> >>> even

> >>>> the dry fried (chao) form that I bought from Nuherbs -- because it

> >>> is

> >>>> considered an invasive species.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

 

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I have a small one person office. Their office is pretty close and the

closest practice south of Atlanta. I do mention on my site that I keep

a raw herb pharmacy, so I think it was a combination of all those

factors and the fact that these guys had nothing to do the day before

Halloween (the day they showed up).

 

Dave

 

 

 

David Toone, L.Ac.

Health without Drugs or Surgery

105 Tivoli Gardens

Peachtree City, GA 30269

770.780.9608

info

www.davidtoone.com

 

On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:22 PM, wrote:

 

> david:

>

> another practitioner is wondering whether you have a large clinic?

> we're

> puzzled by why you seem to have been singled out. is their office near

> yours?

>

> kath

>

> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:32 PM, David Toone <david wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Sure.

> >

> >

> > On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:27 PM, wrote:

> >

> > > i don't really know anything about the other LAc. it was an email

> > > from

> > > another group i don't really participate in that got into my email

> > > box.

> > >

> > > could i foward your info in this email to another LAc off list

> who is

> > > interested in this issue?

> > >

> > > kath

> > >

> > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM, David Toone

> <david<david%40toone.org>>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Got it. The officers who showed up at my clinic were not fake,

> they

> > >> left their card and their car had government plates on it. The

> > >> following day we called the number on the card, dialed 0 for the

> > >> operator which got us to the front desk which they answered and

> asked

> > >> for the officers by name. They were out of this office:

> > >>

> > >> http://tinyurl.com/y927x87

> > >>

> > >> When I talked to the folks at Springwind and Asia Naturals,

> they both

> > >> confirmed the the USDA is looking into this. The USDA is

> definitely

> > >> has enforcement jurisdiction:

> > >>

> > >> http://tinyurl.com/yjf3my5

> > >>

> > >> In this case, I was just about the closest acupuncture office to

> > >> their

> > >> office. I wonder if the other acupuncturist was also very close

> to a

> > >> UDSA field office.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> David Toone, L.Ac.

> > >> Health without Drugs or Surgery

> > >> 105 Tivoli Gardens

> > >> Peachtree City, GA 30269

> > >> 770.780.9608

> > >> info <info%40davidtoone.com> <info

> %40davidtoone.com>

> > >> www.davidtoone.com

> > >>

> > >> On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, wrote:

> > >>

> > >>> you and this other i just emailed about are the only 2 i know

> of.

> > >>> someone

> > >>> on another group wondered if it was a scam to get fine money, as

> > >>> this

> > >>> doesn't seem to be a usda issue. they are understaffed and not

> an

> > >>> enforcing

> > >>> agency.

> > >>>

> > >>> kath

> > >>>

> > >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:48 PM, David Toone

> <david<david%40toone.org><david

> >

> > >>> %40toone.org>>

> >

> > >> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> David Toone, L.Ac.

> > >>>> Health without Drugs or Surgery

> > >>>> 105 Tivoli Gardens

> > >>>> Peachtree City, GA 30269

> > >>>> 770.780.9608

> > >>>> info <info%40davidtoone.com> <info

> %40davidtoone.com>

> > <info%40davidtoone.com>

> >

> > >>

> > >>>> www.davidtoone.com

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Kath,

> > >>>>

> > >>>> I am curious how many people have had visits by the USDA. I

> posted

> > >>>> that I had a similar experience a month or so ago, but I did

> not

> > >>> give

> > >>>> them access to my herb room.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> My understanding is that the unprocessed Tu Su Zi is a

> problem --

> > >>> even

> > >>>> the dry fried (chao) form that I bought from Nuherbs --

> because it

> > >>> is

> > >>>> considered an invasive species.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

>

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>

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> Perform all that is good.

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>

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>

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>

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>

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