Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Hi All, Would those of you who make incisions to allow bleeding before applying the cups please tell us: (a) Do you wear disposable gloves when blood-cupping? (b) What is the average volume of blood removed per session; © How do you dispose of the blood? (d) Do patients see the bloody cups, and if so, what is their reaction? (e) Do you re-use cups on other patients? If so, how do you clean / sterilise the cups between patients? Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Hi Phil, Hi All, Would those of you who make incisions to allow bleeding before applying the cups please tell us: ... (a) Do you wear disposable gloves when blood-cupping? YES ... (b) What is the average volume of blood removed per session; Depends on the nature of the problem, may be as few as 1 - 3 drops of blood Depends on the strength of the patient. Typically in Japan wm doctors will do great volume of blood, where the patient, stands/sits in plastic container, this is venisection style and beyond my practice. ... © How do you dispose of the blood? The small amounts of blood can be disposed of in plastic bag for hazards waste ... (d) Do patients see the bloody cups, and if so, what is their reaction? Mostly not as that style of cupping I use for back and shoulders. I do warn in non cupping method especially on fingers that for some people the blood comes out black due to stagnation. Now I have never seen this but my teachers have. We also call bleeding micro bleeding, sounds better. ... (e) Do you re-use cups on other patients? If so, how do you clean / sterilise the cups between patients? Cups are wiped out for blood, rinsed and soaked in bleach solution and then rinsed under running water and left to dry. Personally I have cups just for me. Hope this helps Sharon Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 wrote: > (b) What is the average volume of blood removed per session; > The exact volume which decides to ooze out by it's own volition. This may be dark, viscid and with little watery content, so that it flows with restrain and leaves the portal reluctantly. It is a sort of challenge to the will to leave the ooze alone to it's own devices, and not cause more bleeding by forceful suction. Soon as fresh blood appears, and a drop or two of that released, cup is removed. One might see this in hemodynamic terms. At the start the stagnated Blood is in the vessel and under the skin, with a building pressure behind it, so it is always straining to exude. This is more linear than circular and is set in its own trajectory. Another level of pressure is at its periphery as it is obstructive in role and is impeding free flow of whatever should flow freely, Blood, Fluid, qi. This is more circular than linear and set in the wide push of the whole Fluid in the body which is outside vessels but inside and outside cells. Because it resists both these forces Stagnation appears in the nether fields.. When the lancet creates a portal, the linear release occurs first, because the weight of the whole column of Blood is behind it. The release pressure in this case is in m m's of mercury. When spent, the circular push runs in tandem, because the lesser inter and intracellular gradient now takes effect. The force of Fluid pushes this, and this is much less in power. The release pressure in this case is in m m's of water. Therefore when the Blood is first released it oozes out with a palpable force, and when this is spent, the extrusion diminishes and ceases. On another tack the quantity of ooze is regulated by the bore of the vessel and the place of release. If a capillary or venule the ooze is minimal, although there are surprises waiting there. If a regular vein, the release is much more. If the site is on a yang surface the ooze is more, in on the ventral, much less. Dr. Holmes CEUS by DVD www.acu-free.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 - " " < <Chinese Medicine > Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:15 AM Re: Combined cupping and bleeding > Hi All, > Would those of you who make incisions to allow bleeding before > applying the cups please tell us: YES, i use both needles and surgical blades usually size 12 to make incisions for the bigger areas > (a) Do you wear disposable gloves when blood-cupping? YES > (b) What is the average volume of blood removed per session; Depends on the location, cupping between T7 and T8 both sides require 10 cc each cup for 2 times (i.e. 40 cc in total) this will give magnificent results. (I can discuss this in more details later on in view of observations on my patients) > © How do you dispose of the blood? Biohazard > (d) Do patients see the bloody cups, and if so, what is their reaction? Depends on the psychic situation of the patient some they do see the blood, and its normal for them. Some we dont show as they dont like. > (e) Do you re-use cups on other patients? If so, how do you clean / sterilise the cups between patients? Yes, the cleaning process is simple, as per CNT (Cleen Needle Technique) by washing the cups with water first and water with bleaching and soap, after it is autoclaved sterilized. > Best regards, > > Email: < > > WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > > Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt > man doing it " > > > > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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