Magnesium causing joint pain?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

My father had a triple bypass a few years ago so I after reading

about alternative heart treatments, I started him on CoQ10, fish oil,

Vit C & E, and other supplements. The one supplement that I would

really like him to take is magnesium. The problem is that he gets

bad knee pains when he takes it (tried both citrate and oxide).

Before taking any of these supplements, he had some undiagnosed knee

pain which I think may be gout or pseudogout which has since gone

away, but comes back when taking Magenesium. I am leaning more

towards pseudogout because he has calcified arteries - so if Ca++ is

in the arteries where it doesnt belong, it might be in his joints too.

 

My question is: has anybody had experience with magnesium causing

joint pain? How can stop magnesium from hurting his knees?

 

To draw his Calcium into his bones, I started him on VitK2. Any

thoughts on this?

 

 

My background: I am a 3rd year medical student (yes, at an MD school)

and have " seen the light " when it comes to alternative/complementary

therapies and hope to intergrate them one day into my practice.

 

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Try MAGNESIUM OROTATE . It is much more effective than other forms of

magnesium, and penetrates the cell membranes. This is the work of Nieper. Good

luck, Lisa

[Guest guest]

Try other forms of Magnesium, like Glycinate(that's what I use). Also

you may want to consider using digestive enzyme supplementations that

also contains some HCL, as many older people secrete very little of it

and therefore have a problem absorbing minerals and fully digesting

proteins. Fats are important for proper mineral absorption, so make

sure that you include them as part of a meal whenever he takes his

supplements. Don't forget sunshine or cod liver oil in the winter for

vitamins D and A. Good luck to you and your father. My daughter is a

fourth year medical student at Columbia, in NYC but she is too busy

just coping with all her conventional training to take the time to learn

about alternative medicine...

 

P. S. Have you considered IV chelation therapy for removing Ca deposits

in your Dad's the arteries?

 

CaptnSaj wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> My father had a triple bypass a few years ago so I after reading

> about alternative heart treatments, I started him on CoQ10, fish oil,

> Vit C & E, and other supplements. The one supplement that I would

> really like him to take is magnesium. The problem is that he gets

> bad knee pains when he takes it (tried both citrate and oxide).

[Guest guest]

Hi CaptnSaj,

 

Have your father soak his feet or bathe in a small amount of warm water with

Epsom salts added - 1/2 cup to 1 cup - dissolved in the water and soak for 1

hour - the longer time to soak, the more absorption of the Magnesium Sulfate he

will receive. I believe that Epsom salts help detoxify the body of unwanted

chemicals.

 

 

 

CaptnSaj <zalzala wrote: Hi,

 

My father had a triple bypass a few years ago so I after reading

about alternative heart treatments, I started him on CoQ10, fish oil,

Vit C & E, and other supplements. The one supplement that I would

really like him to take is magnesium. The problem is that he gets

bad knee pains when he takes it (tried both citrate and oxide).

Before taking any of these supplements, he had some undiagnosed

[Guest guest]

dear

I m agree with u

take care

 

your

 

Prabhat

 

CaptnSaj <zalzala wrote:

Hi,

 

My father had a triple bypass a few years ago so I after reading

about alternative heart treatments, I started him on CoQ10, fish oil,

Vit C & E, and other supplements. The one supplement that I would

really like him to take is magnesium. The problem is that he gets

bad knee pains when he takes it (tried both citrate and oxide).

Before taking any of these supplements, he had some undiagnosed knee

pain which I think may be gout or pseudogout which has since gone

away, but comes back when taking Magenesium. I am leaning more

towards pseudogout because he has calcified arteries - so if Ca++ is

in the arteries where it doesnt belong, it might be in his joints too.

 

My question is: has anybody had experience with magnesium causing

joint pain? How can stop magnesium from hurting his knees?

 

To draw his Calcium into his bones, I started him on VitK2. Any

thoughts on this?

 

My background: I am a 3rd year medical student (yes, at an MD school)

and have " seen the light " when it comes to alternative/complementary

therapies and hope to intergrate them one day into my practice.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Save all your chat conversations. Find them online.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Try Magnesium Oil. The magnesium is absorbed through the skin.

[Guest guest]

I do not know about magnesium causing pains. Guggulu is very good

for joint problems. Boswellia is another.

 

GB

 

, prabhat mishra

<prabhat_201010 wrote:

>

> dear

> I m agree with u

> take care

[Guest guest]

In a similar vein, does anyone have a natural remedy for muscle cramps? My blood

work is fine. My mother suffered from them as well.

[Guest guest]

, Mary Flanigan

<queenonmountain wrote:

>

> Hi CaptnSaj,

>

> Have your father soak his feet or bathe in a small amount of warm

water with Epsom salts added - 1/2 cup to 1 cup - dissolved in the

water and soak for 1 hour - the longer time to soak, the more

absorption of the Magnesium Sulfate he will receive. I believe that

Epsom salts help detoxify the body of unwanted chemicals.

>

>

>

Question: How does Epson salt do that?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

You don't mention what dosage magnesium you had him on. In my studies

we learn that magnesium is the major mineral for detoxification, but

if detoxification proceeds too quickly then the patient can experience

a Herxheimer reaction (healing crisis). Perhaps the Mg dose is

pulling Ca out of his tissues quickly, but the rest of his system is

unable to keep up by either excreting it out of the body or

reintegrating it into bone.

 

Perhaps you need to try him on a lower dose of magnesium and work him

up to a higher dose. Anything over 500mg of elemental magnesium per

day would be considered a high Mg dose from a nutritional medicine

point of view.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Sharon

[Guest guest]

If the pain is on the inside of the knee, it may be that the magnesium irritates

the liver, hence the knee via the liver meridian. Is the inside of the big toe

also tender when pressed? Mike

 

 

 

CaptnSaj <zalzala

 

Wednesday, 17 October, 2007 7:32:28 PM

Magnesium causing joint pain?

[Guest guest]

www.watercure.com and eat bananas.

 

-------------- Original message ----------------------

Barbara Battibulli <barbbat

> In a similar vein, does anyone have a natural remedy for muscle cramps? My

blood

> work is fine. My mother suffered from them as well.

[Guest guest]

Moderator's Note:

They are sold here.. Sometimes called cell salts.

---------

 

Schueslers Biochemic tissue salts - Mag Phos does the trick usually - HFSs

in Oz sell these don't know about US

 

Jane

 

" Barbara Battibulli " <barbbat

 

> In a similar vein, does anyone have a natural remedy for muscle cramps? My

> blood work is fine. My mother suffered from them as well.

>

[Guest guest]

Increase potassium intake . . .

 

, Soul_bro2 wrote:

>

> www.watercure.com and eat bananas.

>

> -------------- Original message ----------------------

> Barbara Battibulli <barbbat

> > In a similar vein, does anyone have a natural remedy for muscle

cramps? My blood

> > work is fine. My mother suffered from them as well.

>

[Guest guest]

Muscle cramping can be caused by a leaky gut and eating high oxalate

foods. I suffered leg cramps for many years before discovering the

tryin g low oxalates list. Now, by changing my diet and adding

Calcium Citrate before meals, more than 95% of my leg cramps are gone.

Alobar

 

On 10/20/07, Barbara Battibulli <barbbat wrote:

> In a similar vein, does anyone have a natural remedy for muscle cramps? My

blood work is fine. My mother suffered from them as well.

[Guest guest]

>does anyone have a natural remedy for muscle cramps? <

 

Six different deficiencies have caused muscle problems for me: Salt,

potassium, magnesium, proper forms of calcium, water, and B-vitamins. I also

suspect CoQ10 can alleviate some cramps. Muscle strength is an issue as well

and is helped tremendously by Creatine, Whey Protein and Liver Powder, with

Liver Powder being both the least palatable and most effective.

Daddybob

[Guest guest]

>

Dear Barbara

if you are suffering from leukeria then you have to treat it

first,if not then there are very simple cure for cramps.

Rajesh

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the responses!

 

I origanally tried my father on Magnesium oxide, which is 500mg - but

since its not absorbed very well, who knows how much he is getting.

After a few days, he got knee pains - like he had a few years ago

before taking any supplements (his doctor said it was osteoarthritis,

but I don't agree).

 

The pain went away a few days afert stopping Mg. Then I waited a few

weeks and switched him to 200mg per day of Mag citrate - better

absorbed. Same thing happened.

 

Perhaps I will try the epsom salt soak then work him back up to the

pills. Comments?

 

, " sharonstrahan "

<sharonstrahan wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> You don't mention what dosage magnesium you had him on. In my

studies

> we learn that magnesium is the major mineral for detoxification, but

> if detoxification proceeds too quickly then the patient can

experience

> a Herxheimer reaction (healing crisis). Perhaps the Mg dose is

> pulling Ca out of his tissues quickly, but the rest of his system is

> unable to keep up by either excreting it out of the body or

> reintegrating it into bone.

>

> Perhaps you need to try him on a lower dose of magnesium and work

him

> up to a higher dose. Anything over 500mg of elemental magnesium per

> day would be considered a high Mg dose from a nutritional medicine

> point of view.

>

> Hope that helps.

>

> Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

It sounds like you are using tablets/pills... perhaps he's reacting to

some of the binders or/and inactive ingredients in the pill! Have you

try something in a powder form, like " calm " which dissolves readily in

hot water? I take Mag as Mag Glycinate w/o any problem!

 

CaptnSaj wrote:

>

> Thanks for the responses!

>

> I origanally tried my father on Magnesium oxide, which is 500mg - but

> since its not absorbed very well, who knows how much he is getting.

> After a few days, he got knee pains - like he had a few years ago

> before taking any supplements (his doctor said it was osteoarthritis,

> but I don't agree).

>

> The pain went away a few days afert stopping Mg. Then I waited a few

> weeks and switched him to 200mg per day of Mag citrate - better

> absorbed. Same thing happened.

>

> Perhaps I will try the epsom salt soak then work him back up to the

> pills. Comments?

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

That is so weird because I have alot of joint and soft tissue pain.

The magnesium actually helps me and stops some of the pain. I have

never felt worse after taking it.

 

 

, " CaptnSaj "

<zalzala wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> My father had a triple bypass a few years ago so I after reading

> about alternative heart treatments, I started him on CoQ10, fish

oil,

> Vit C & E, and other supplements. The one supplement that I would

> really like him to take is magnesium. The problem is that he gets

> bad knee pains when he takes it (tried both citrate and oxide).

> Before taking any of these supplements, he had some undiagnosed

[Guest isabel]

I have same experience taken magnesium citrate and knee pain very bad had to stop taking