Colloidal Silver

December 12, 2005

Hi Diana,

From what I understand, it would kill the beneficial bacteria (in the

stomach, for instance) but it never makes it there. The body utilizes

it and ushers it out so quickly, it only has time to kill what it comes

into contact with.

Someone may be able to offer more?

-Raine

Diana Cunningham wrote:

<snip>

Does CS somehow only attack pathogens, or does it wipe out all single

celled organisms? For example, do beneficial bacteria survive an

encounter?

December 21, 2005

Great information Rob.

Nowwwwwwww, do you know if you can mix the different colloids????????

Can you mix Colloidal Silver with Colloidal Gold and Copper, etc and take them together??????

Doc

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Rob Combis

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Saturday, December 10, 2005 11:42 AM

RE: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

Hi Diana-

That is a good question.

There is a great explanation in this article: http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/colloidal_silver/Colloidal_Silver_Research.html

It seems that all beneficial bacteria have a positive charge while negative bacteria carry a negative charge. Colloidal silver contains a positive charge. And positive and negative do attract each other. So I think this is the mechanism that allows colloidal silver to be so effective. It basically attracts the pathogens and kills them. Also most, if not all of it, will get absorb into the body before reaching the intestinal tract.

Rob

herbal remedies [herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of Diana CunninghamSaturday, December 10, 2005 10:59 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal SilverI've really learned a lot about CS (something I'd never heard of before) during the last few days and am excited about the possibilites. I hesitate to ask this due to the large probability that the question has already been asked and I missed the message, but, here goes:Does CS somehow only attack pathogens, or does it wipe out all single celled organisms? For example, do beneficial bacteria survive an encounter? Thanks for your time!Sincerely,Diana

December 21, 2005

Hey Raine and Rob,

On your units. Can you set and produce the desired ppm???

Doc

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Raine

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Monday, December 12, 2005 4:00 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

Hi Nick, Yes, Colloidal Silver will help with a sinus infection. The key is to get it to where the "bugs" are. I would recommend using it to flush the sinuses in any of the ways previously mentioned.If buying CS, you don't want the high PPM stuff. 5-10 PPM should be plenty. Higher is NOT better in this case. -Raine

December 22, 2005

I use the colloidal master 777. It has a dial on it that you can set from 1 to 10. This does not exactly correspond to PPM. The reason is the silver electrode spacing. The device is measuring the resistance between the electrodes. So as the electrode distance is increased or decreased the PPM will be increased or decreased with the same dial setting. The best thing to do is buy a PWT (Pure Water Tester). You start with distilled water and when you measure this with the PWT is measures close to 0, varies slightly with brand and method of distillation. Then you run your unit on a certain setting, it has auto shut off. Afterwards you measure with the PWT again and you will have an accurate ppm for that setting with that electrode distance... I cut and pasted some stuff below that explains in a little more detail...

Points to consider when making colloid with the Colloid Master

Parts per million

The dial of the Colloid Master goes from 1 to 10, this does not represent parts per million, the Colloid Master comes with an example PPM chart that illustrates approximate PPM. below is the correlation to parts per million. Recent tests show that using 32 ounces of water that the recommended PPM production range for the Colloid Master Model 777 Universal AC is 5 to 20 PPM.The dial indicates from 1 to 10 so that it is not locked into use for silver only, experimentation with other metals such as zinc and copper for example. We do not offer customer support for issues regarding PPM etc. regarding use with other metals at this time. The automatic shut off feature is not expected to function the same for other metals. Out focus has been with regard to silver.

Note: Based on research, it has been our long standing opinion that the optimal range for silver is 13.5 to 17 PPM. There are many factors that we took into consideration when making this decision, including; stability, quality and integrity. Silver dispersion is in our opinion, is in essence saturated at 13.5 to 17 PPM, although higher PPM can be forced or attained, our research has convinced us that forcing higher PPM may compromise the quality, stability or integrity, and in effect causes it to be less balanced.

If you are interested in monitoring the PPM of the colloid you produce with the Colloid Master the most precise way is with proper lab equipment, although a quick relatively accurate and inexpensive way is to use a PWT (pure water test) meter.

A PWT meter (by Hanna Instruments etc.) measures conductivity, this data is then interpolated to reflect the parts per million. Although there is no inexpensive device that directly measures ppm, we have found that this method is a very reliable method to approximate the ppm. We are authorized distributors for Hanna Instruments. The PWT meter made by Hanna Instruments, Item number is # 66 (with calibration solution) for $ 55.00. It is accurate to within 2 percent full scale. The interpolation of the conductivity to PPM translates to approximately less than 1 PPM full scale regarding accuracy.

The most sensible method to validate your meter and the strength of the dispersion, is, once you are accustomed to using the equipment, and know what the most comon setting is that you use, then send a sample in to a lab to determine PPM of silver. The reason is, the meter is an inexpensive spot check technique, accurate lab tests range from $ 35 - $ 200 per sample. The Hanna PWT meter it is more sensitive to ions, and the solution is a combination of ions and particles. Both particles and ions register by the meter, but at differing values. Therefore water quality and other factors effect the overall results.

Note: We do most research with the Colloid Master using setting 5.5 but we also use settings 5, 6, and on occasion setting 7. Gallons are usually made at setting 7 or 8 with a 1 1/2 inch electrode distance.

herbal remedies [herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of Dr. Ian ShillingtonWednesday, December 21, 2005 6:47 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

Hey Raine and Rob,

On your units. Can you set and produce the desired ppm???

Doc

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Raine

herbal remedies

Monday, December 12, 2005 4:00 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

Hi Nick, Yes, Colloidal Silver will help with a sinus infection. The key is to get it to where the "bugs" are. I would recommend using it to flush the sinuses in any of the ways previously mentioned.If buying CS, you don't want the high PPM stuff. 5-10 PPM should be plenty. Higher is NOT better in this case. -Raine

December 23, 2005

Thanks Rob.

Good data to have which I'll save.

In Health and Love,

Doc

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Rob Combis

herbal remedies

Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:16 AM

RE: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

I use the colloidal master 777. It has a dial on it that you can set from 1 to 10. This does not exactly correspond to PPM. The reason is the silver electrode spacing. The device is measuring the resistance between the electrodes. So as the electrode distance is increased or decreased the PPM will be increased or decreased with the same dial setting. The best thing to do is buy a PWT (Pure Water Tester). You start with distilled water and when you measure this with the PWT is measures close to 0, varies slightly with brand and method of distillation. Then you run your unit on a certain setting, it has auto shut off. Afterwards you measure with the PWT again and you will have an accurate ppm for that setting with that electrode distance... I cut and pasted some stuff below that explains in a little more detail...

Points to consider when making colloid with the Colloid Master

Parts per million

The dial of the Colloid Master goes from 1 to 10, this does not represent parts per million, the Colloid Master comes with an example PPM chart that illustrates approximate PPM. below is the correlation to parts per million. Recent tests show that using 32 ounces of water that the recommended PPM production range for the Colloid Master Model 777 Universal AC is 5 to 20 PPM.The dial indicates from 1 to 10 so that it is not locked into use for silver only, experimentation with other metals such as zinc and copper for example. We do not offer customer support for issues regarding PPM etc. regarding use with other metals at this time. The automatic shut off feature is not expected to function the same for other metals. Out focus has been with regard to silver.

Note: Based on research, it has been our long standing opinion that the optimal range for silver is 13.5 to 17 PPM. There are many factors that we took into consideration when making this decision, including; stability, quality and integrity. Silver dispersion is in our opinion, is in essence saturated at 13.5 to 17 PPM, although higher PPM can be forced or attained, our research has convinced us that forcing higher PPM may compromise the quality, stability or integrity, and in effect causes it to be less balanced.

If you are interested in monitoring the PPM of the colloid you produce with the Colloid Master the most precise way is with proper lab equipment, although a quick relatively accurate and inexpensive way is to use a PWT (pure water test) meter.

A PWT meter (by Hanna Instruments etc.) measures conductivity, this data is then interpolated to reflect the parts per million. Although there is no inexpensive device that directly measures ppm, we have found that this method is a very reliable method to approximate the ppm. We are authorized distributors for Hanna Instruments. The PWT meter made by Hanna Instruments, Item number is # 66 (with calibration solution) for $ 55.00. It is accurate to within 2 percent full scale. The interpolation of the conductivity to PPM translates to approximately less than 1 PPM full scale regarding accuracy.

The most sensible method to validate your meter and the strength of the dispersion, is, once you are accustomed to using the equipment, and know what the most comon setting is that you use, then send a sample in to a lab to determine PPM of silver. The reason is, the meter is an inexpensive spot check technique, accurate lab tests range from $ 35 - $ 200 per sample. The Hanna PWT meter it is more sensitive to ions, and the solution is a combination of ions and particles. Both particles and ions register by the meter, but at differing values. Therefore water quality and other factors effect the overall results.

Note: We do most research with the Colloid Master using setting 5.5 but we also use settings 5, 6, and on occasion setting 7. Gallons are usually made at setting 7 or 8 with a 1 1/2 inch electrode distance.

herbal remedies [herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of Dr. Ian ShillingtonWednesday, December 21, 2005 6:47 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

Hey Raine and Rob,

On your units. Can you set and produce the desired ppm???

Doc

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Raine

herbal remedies

Monday, December 12, 2005 4:00 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

Hi Nick, Yes, Colloidal Silver will help with a sinus infection. The key is to get it to where the "bugs" are. I would recommend using it to flush the sinuses in any of the ways previously mentioned.If buying CS, you don't want the high PPM stuff. 5-10 PPM should be plenty. Higher is NOT better in this case. -Raine

December 25, 2005

Hi Doc,

I have a very basic cheapie unit- I plug in the silver rods and it

goes.

-Raine

Dr. Ian Shillington wrote:

Hey Raine and Rob,

On your units. Can

you set and produce the desired ppm???

Doc

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December 28, 2005

"Goes" is good. :-)

Are you not worried about getting too much???

I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you just usually puke.

Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve???

Doc

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Raine

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Sunday, December 25, 2005 4:15 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

Hi Doc,I have a very basic cheapie unit- I plug in the silver rods and it goes. -RaineDr. Ian Shillington wrote:

Hey Raine and Rob,

On your units. Can you set and produce the desired ppm???

Doc

December 29, 2005

Hiya Doc,

I'm not worried about getting too much because as long as what I'm

making is electrically isolated (colloidal) silver, there is no harm to

be done.

You can always test what you're producing with various meters to get a

good idea of the ppm but from my understanding you will generally

produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.

-Raine

Dr. Ian Shillington wrote:

"Goes" is good. :-)

Are you not worried

about getting too much???

I know with herbs,

for the most part, if you take too much you just usually puke.

Does colloidal

silver have its own safety valve???

Doc

Doc Shillington

727-447-5282

Doc

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December 29, 2005

OK... I have to jump in here. I've been taking and making CS for a few years - there is a little problem if you 'over do' ... you do actually OVER DOO! You'll get loose stools/diarrhea if you take too much for what your system can handle. It's a diuretic so it leeches fluids from your body - so you HAVE to drink a lot more H2O when you take it. BUT! Fear not! Just back off and you’ll go back to normal post haste! Sara in AZ Raine <rainelovesj wrote: Hiya Doc,I'm not worried about getting too much because as long as what I'm making is electrically isolated (colloidal) silver, there is no harm to be done. You can always test what you're producing with various meters to get a good idea of the ppm but from my

understanding you will generally produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.-RaineDr. Ian Shillington wrote: "Goes" is good. :-) Are you not worried about getting too much??? I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you just usually puke. Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve??? Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc Swap Your Paperback Books - PaperBackSwap.com

December 29, 2005

Hi Doc!

I am surely enjoying your site. I am learning a tremendous amount of new herbal knowledge with the varied message contents.

I have not read about nor heard of anyone that had the 'limit' effect as herbs will do, internally nor externally.

you can go to http://www.silverpuppy.com/ and read for hours about CS. He also refutes a lot of misconceptions about CS.

To be fair also the http://www.silvergen.com/ another manufacturer.

I did an analysis of the four major machines on the market and MY CHOICE was simply the Silver Puppy because you could get a magnetic stirrer and it was the least expensive automatic machine.

In the past the medical field put the quietus on CS saying if you took it you would get agri*** (I forget the medical name) which will turn your skin a gray color for ever after.

Many have tried many different quantities and ppm's over time and the most I heard was near a quart a day for four years without any adverse effects. [five to ten ppm is the recommended dosage]

CS (ionic) is cheap, you can make it yourself, it works, has no known side effects, will kill anaerobic germs on contact, can be given to babies, will kill pseudomonas, will kill candida albicans on contact, will kill viruses, and etc etc.

These facts I have gleaned from the first hand messages I have read.

As soon as I can afford it I will buy the Silver Puppy machine for $115 and make my own.

LoveBobAdageyudiStaya Udanvti

Adageyudi (to Love) is the Sduisdi (key)!Not Gvgeyuhi (I Love You) for your Sidanelv (family), nor Gvgeyuhi (I Love You) for your Analigohvsgi (Mate).But larger Adageyudi (to Love) to encompass all Unequa (Great Spirits) Gotlvnvhi (Creations)".Staya Udanvti 1996

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Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:19 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

"Goes" is good. :-)

Are you not worried about getting too much???

I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you just usually puke.

Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve???

Doc

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

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Raine

herbal remedies

Sunday, December 25, 2005 4:15 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

Hi Doc,I have a very basic cheapie unit- I plug in the silver rods and it goes. -RaineDr. Ian Shillington wrote:

Hey Raine and Rob,

On your units. Can you set and produce the desired ppm???

Doc

December 29, 2005

I have never heard of CS as a diuretic, there are many that drink

quantities of it and have no problem. I drink 2-3 ounces daily.

-- In herbal remedies , Sara <zammead_2000>

wrote:

>

> OK... I have to jump in here.

> I've been taking and making CS for a few years - there is a

little problem if you 'over do' ... you do actually OVER DOO!

You'll get loose stools/diarrhea if you take too much for what your

system can handle. It's a diuretic so it leeches fluids from your

body - so you HAVE to drink a lot more H2O when you take it.

BUT! Fear not! Just back off and you'll go back to normal post

haste!

>

> Sara in AZ

>

> Raine <rainelovesj@s...> wrote:

> Hiya Doc,

>

> I'm not worried about getting too much because as long as what I'm

making is electrically isolated (colloidal) silver, there is no harm

to be done.

> You can always test what you're producing with various meters to

get a good idea of the ppm but from my understanding you will

generally produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.

>

> -Raine

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington wrote: " Goes " is good. :-)

> Are you not worried about getting too much???

> I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you

just usually puke.

> Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve???

> Doc

>

> Doc Shillington

> 727-447-5282

> Doc@A...

>

> Swap Your Paperback Books - PaperBackSwap.com

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here

as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner

and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

December 29, 2005

Likewise, have been sick and drank only cs as my water...no problems--

just got rid of the bug.

Marci

herbal remedies , " tempo33x " <tempo33x>

wrote:

>

> I have never heard of CS as a diuretic, there are many that drink

> quantities of it and have no problem. I drink 2-3 ounces daily.

>

> -- In herbal remedies , Sara <zammead_2000>

> wrote:

> >

> > OK... I have to jump in here.

> > I've been taking and making CS for a few years - there is a

> little problem if you 'over do' ... you do actually OVER DOO!

> You'll get loose stools/diarrhea if you take too much for what your

> system can handle. It's a diuretic so it leeches fluids from your

> body - so you HAVE to drink a lot more H2O when you take it.

> BUT! Fear not! Just back off and you'll go back to normal post

> haste!

> >

> > Sara in AZ

> >

> > Raine <rainelovesj@s...> wrote:

> > Hiya Doc,

> >

> > I'm not worried about getting too much because as long as what

I'm

> making is electrically isolated (colloidal) silver, there is no

harm

> to be done.

> > You can always test what you're producing with various meters to

> get a good idea of the ppm but from my understanding you will

> generally produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.

> >

> > -Raine

> >

> > Dr. Ian Shillington wrote: " Goes " is good. :-)

> > Are you not worried about getting too much???

> > I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you

> just usually puke.

> > Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve???

> > Doc

> >

> > Doc Shillington

> > 727-447-5282

> > Doc@A...

> >

> > Swap Your Paperback Books - PaperBackSwap.com

> >

> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

> natural remedy.

> > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

> physician and to

> > prescribe for your own health.

> > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here

> as long as

> > they behave themselves.

> > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

> any person

> > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

> risk.

> > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

> products from list members, you are agreeing to

> > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner

> and members free of any liability.

> >

> > Dr. Ian Shillington

> > Doctor of Naturopathy

> > Dr.IanShillington@G...

> >

December 29, 2005

Cool!

As is with herbals, it's hard to "overdose", and it seems as if this hold true with CS.

Love,

Doc

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Raine

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Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:37 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

Hiya Doc,I'm not worried about getting too much because as long as what I'm making is electrically isolated (colloidal) silver, there is no harm to be done. You can always test what you're producing with various meters to get a good idea of the ppm but from my understanding you will generally produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.-RaineDr. Ian Shillington wrote:

"Goes" is good. :-)

Are you not worried about getting too much???

I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you just usually puke.

Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve???

Doc

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

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December 29, 2005

Dear Sara,

This is interesting.

Earlier, Rob mentioned that CS assists in killing off parasites.

One of the first byproducts of killing off parasites is soft runny doo doo as you so aptly put. ROTFLOL

The final test of this is whether or not the diarrhea is lessening over a weeks time at the large dosage.

Another test for me to make. :-)

In Health and Love,

Doc

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Sara

herbal remedies

Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:14 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

OK... I have to jump in here.

I've been taking and making CS for a few years - there is a little problem if you 'over do' ... you do actually OVER DOO! You'll get loose stools/diarrhea if you take too much for what your system can handle. It's a diuretic so it leeches fluids from your body - so you HAVE to drink a lot more H2O when you take it. BUT! Fear not! Just back off and you’ll go back to normal post haste!

Sara in AZ

Raine <rainelovesj wrote:

Hiya Doc,I'm not worried about getting too much because as long as what I'm making is electrically isolated (colloidal) silver, there is no harm to be done. You can always test what you're producing with various meters to get a good idea of the ppm but from my understanding you will generally produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.-RaineDr. Ian Shillington wrote:

"Goes" is good. :-)

Are you not worried about getting too much???

I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you just usually puke.

Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve???

Doc

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

December 30, 2005

Doc, I ran across this web site when researching CS, http://preventionforever.com/silver.htm, would you and any in the group check it out and let me know what you think???? Thanks.. Love & Happiness Malissa"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Dear Sara, This is interesting. Earlier, Rob mentioned that CS assists in killing off parasites. One of the first byproducts of killing off parasites is soft runny doo doo as you so

aptly put. ROTFLOL The final test of this is whether or not the diarrhea is lessening over a weeks time at the large dosage. Another test for me to make. :-) In Health and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Sara herbal remedies Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:14 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver OK... I have to jump in here. I've been taking and making CS for a few years - there is a little problem if you 'over do' ... you do actually OVER DOO! You'll get loose stools/diarrhea if you take too

much for what your system can handle. It's a diuretic so it leeches fluids from your body - so you HAVE to drink a lot more H2O when you take it. BUT! Fear not! Just back off and you’ll go back to normal post haste! Sara in AZ Raine

<rainelovesj wrote: Hiya Doc,I'm not worried about getting too much because as long as what I'm making is electrically isolated (colloidal) silver, there is no harm to be done. You can always test what you're producing with various meters to get a good idea of the ppm but from my understanding you will generally produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.-RaineDr. Ian Shillington wrote: "Goes" is good. :-) Are you not worried about getting too much??? I know with herbs, for the most

part, if you take too much you just usually puke. Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve??? Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc Thank You,

Malissa Owings

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December 30, 2005

If it's something that you do everyday and you have done everyday for a few months or years, then no.... like anything else - your body has become *used* to it. I am on two different CS boards and the diuretic and detox (diarrhea etc.) problems are very common and those people write about them quite frequently to newbies. If you get on those boards they CONSTANTLY say to increase your fluid (water) intake. Just going by what CS people write/say/think but they may be wrong. Sara in AZtempo33x <tempo33x wrote: I have never heard of CS as a diuretic, there are many that drink quantities of it and have no problem. I drink 2-3 ounces daily.-- In herbal remedies , Sara <zammead_2000> wrote:>> OK... I have to jump in here. > I've been taking and making CS for a few

years - there is a little problem if you 'over do' ... you do actually OVER DOO! You'll get loose stools/diarrhea if you take too much for what your system can handle. It's a diuretic so it leeches fluids from your body - so you HAVE to drink a lot more H2O when you take it. BUT! Fear not! Just back off and you'll go back to normal post haste!> > Sara in AZ> > Raine <rainelovesj@s...> wrote:> Hiya Doc,> > I'm not worried about getting too much because as long as what I'm making is electrically isolated (colloidal) silver, there is no harm to be done. > You can always test what you're producing with various meters to get a good idea of the ppm but from my understanding you will generally produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.> > -Raine> > Dr. Ian Shillington

wrote: "Goes" is good. :-)> Are you not worried about getting too much???> I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you just usually puke.> Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve???> Doc> > Doc Shillington> 727-447-5282> Doc@A...> > Swap Your Paperback Books - PaperBackSwap.com> > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as >

they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > >

December 30, 2005

Hi Sara,

I'm also on many CS forums, and haven't seen this warning to increase

fluid intake when using CS... The herx reaction is often discussed

however. Not trying to be argumentative, just puzzled why that would

be. Perhaps it's information given to people who are ill and need

increased fluid intake? Or just in considering that a lot of people are

dehydrated anyway?

Thinking *aloud*,

-Raine

Sara wrote:

If it's something that

you do everyday and you have done everyday for a few months or years,

then no.... like anything else - your body has become *used* to it.

I am on two different CS

boards and the diuretic and detox (diarrhea etc.) problems are very

common and those people write about them quite frequently to newbies. If you get on those boards they CONSTANTLY say to

increase your fluid (water) intake.

Just going by what CS

people write/say/think but they may be wrong.

Sara in AZ

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December 30, 2005

Hi Doc!

Siyo Doc!

The language is Cherokee, western dialect.

Since I am a Cherokee descendent I believe to understand my DNA Memory I need to learn the language. I have to use it continuously to keep it tho.

[pronunciation: a = ah, e = ay, i = ee, o = oh, u = oo, v = unh, s = ss]

LoveBobAdageyudi (Love)[ah dah gay yoo dee]Staya Udanvti (Stands Tall Gently)(ss tah yah oo dah nunh tee)

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Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:40 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

Dear Bob,Welllllllllll, you are certainly welcome and I'm pleased you're enjoying the site so much.I appreciate your input having to do with CS. It's nice to know that there are no adverse effects from using it regardless of dosage. Of course, I'll do my own tests on this as I like to verify data, but so far this looks like a real winner.You're absolutely right. If the Medicos are railing against something so vehemently, you can bet there's something good to be investigated and found there. :-)The Silver Puppy is one of the units I'm looking into.In Health and Love,DocPS. I'm curious as to what language Adageyudi Sduisdi Gvgeyuhi Sidanelv Analigohvsgi is??? Please enlighten me. Snip

January 6, 2006

Dear Malissa,

I checked the site out and found it amusing.

I'm still in the primary stages of my own investigations so can make no comment.

Since I'm still my own favorite guiney pig, and still have to wait a bit before doing any testing, the list will have to wait a while for my own personal take on it.

Rob is sold on the stuff and I trust his observations and the testing he's done, so I'd definitely recommend you go ahead and do your own investigations into CS and not back off from trying it.

You can bet that I will be in the not too distant future.

In Health and Love,

Doc

PS. I'll be investigating ALL of the metal colloids including but not limited to: Copper, Platinum, Gold and Rhodium. :-)

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

-

Malissa Owings

herbal remedies

Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:13 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

Doc, I ran across this web site when researching CS, http://preventionforever.com/silver.htm, would you and any in the group check it out and let me know what you think???? Thanks..

Love & Happiness

Malissa"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote:

Dear Sara,

This is interesting.

Earlier, Rob mentioned that CS assists in killing off parasites.

One of the first byproducts of killing off parasites is soft runny doo doo as you so aptly put. ROTFLOL

The final test of this is whether or not the diarrhea is lessening over a weeks time at the large dosage.

Another test for me to make. :-)

In Health and Love,

Doc

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

-

Sara

herbal remedies

Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:14 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

OK... I have to jump in here.

I've been taking and making CS for a few years - there is a little problem if you 'over do' ... you do actually OVER DOO! You'll get loose stools/diarrhea if you take too much for what your system can handle. It's a diuretic so it leeches fluids from your body - so you HAVE to drink a lot more H2O when you take it. BUT! Fear not! Just back off and you’ll go back to normal post haste!

Sara in AZ

Raine <rainelovesj wrote:

Hiya Doc,I'm not worried about getting too much because as long as what I'm making is electrically isolated (colloidal) silver, there is no harm to be done. You can always test what you're producing with various meters to get a good idea of the ppm but from my understanding you will generally produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.-RaineDr. Ian Shillington wrote:

"Goes" is good. :-)

Are you not worried about getting too much???

I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you just usually puke.

Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve???

Doc

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

Thank You,

Malissa Owings

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January 6, 2006

Hi Doc and all, We are most fortunate to be on such a list. I applaud your not buying into the hype regarding products and such things and actually testing them for yourself. I spent two intensive years investigating CS and spent a fair bit of change buying this and that promised "better" machine etc in that persuit.In the end I found most claims to be non substantiated in my experience. I used both human and animal test subjects and found in the animals that the use of CS was especially inneffective! CS was tested on known parasite infections, upper respiratory conditions, Inflamations, Cold's and Flu's Sore Throats yopu name it we tried it.We did some blind studies in humans and found the placebo effect well and alive:-) The animals tend to not lie to themselves so I find that work far more convincing! Don Wells"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Dear Malissa, I checked the site out and found it amusing. I'm still in the primary stages of my own investigations so can make no comment. Since I'm still my own favorite guiney pig, and still have to wait a bit before doing any testing, the list will have to wait a while for my own personal take on it. Rob is sold on the stuff and I trust his observations and the testing he's done, so I'd definitely recommend you go ahead and do your own investigations into CS and not back off from trying it. You can bet that I will be in the not too distant future. In Health and Love, Doc PS. I'll be investigating ALL of the metal colloids including but not limited to: Copper, Platinum, Gold and Rhodium. :-) Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Malissa Owings herbal remedies Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:13 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver Doc, I ran across this web site when researching CS, http://preventionforever.com/silver.htm, would you and any in the group check it out and let me know what you think???? Thanks.. Love & Happiness Malissa"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Dear Sara, This is interesting. Earlier, Rob mentioned that CS assists in killing off parasites. One of the first byproducts of killing off parasites is soft runny doo doo as you so aptly put. ROTFLOL The final test of this is whether or not the diarrhea is lessening over a weeks time at the large dosage. Another test for me to make. :-) In Health and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Sara herbal remedies Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:14 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver OK... I have to jump in here. I've been taking and making CS for a few years - there is a little problem if you 'over do' ... you do actually OVER DOO! You'll get loose stools/diarrhea if you take too much for what your system can handle. It's a diuretic so it leeches fluids from your body - so you HAVE to drink a lot more H2O when you take it. BUT! Fear not! Just back

off and you’ll go back to normal post haste! Sara in AZ Raine <rainelovesj wrote: Hiya Doc,I'm not worried about getting too much because as long as what I'm making is electrically isolated (colloidal) silver, there is no harm to be done. You can always test what you're producing with various meters to get a good idea of the ppm but from my understanding you will

generally produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.-RaineDr. Ian Shillington wrote: "Goes" is good. :-) Are you not worried about getting too much??? I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you just usually puke. Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve??? Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc Thank You, Malissa Owings DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce

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January 6, 2006

Dear Don,

Wellllllll, this is the first somewhat "negative" response to the CS debate and I find your comments interesting.

1. What kind, model and make of machine did you end up buying for your tests???

2. I notice you said, "most claims to be non . . . " but you didn't say "All". Did you find any positive benefits???

3. You mentioned that your animal testing was "ineffective" but you also never mentioned the word "destructive" in your observations. Would you say it was a "no result" rather than either a positive or a negative conclusion???

4. As far as Humans lying to themselves (the antithesis of the animals not doing so , is it not possible for the power of positive thought to be a factor here or in any consideration when it comes to the field of healing or even the subject of living itself???

While I may not be the type to buy into hype (IE. I deplore MLM's), methinks thou doth protest too much. :-)

Doc

PS. Seriously though, I feel you need to be far more specific. LOL

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

-

don wells

herbal remedies

Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:59 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

Hi Doc and all,

We are most fortunate to be on such a list. I applaud your not buying into the hype regarding products and such things and actually testing them for yourself. I spent two intensive years investigating CS and spent a fair bit of change buying this and that promised "better" machine etc in that persuit.In the end I found most claims to be non substantiated in my experience. I used both human and animal test subjects and found in the animals that the use of CS was especially inneffective! CS was tested on known parasite infections, upper respiratory conditions, Inflamations, Cold's and Flu's Sore Throats yopu name it we tried it.We did some blind studies in humans and found the placebo effect well and alive:-) The animals tend to not lie to themselves so I find that work far more convincing!

Don Wells"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote:

Dear Malissa,

I checked the site out and found it amusing.

I'm still in the primary stages of my own investigations so can make no comment.

Since I'm still my own favorite guiney pig, and still have to wait a bit before doing any testing, the list will have to wait a while for my own personal take on it.

Rob is sold on the stuff and I trust his observations and the testing he's done, so I'd definitely recommend you go ahead and do your own investigations into CS and not back off from trying it.

You can bet that I will be in the not too distant future.

In Health and Love,

Doc

PS. I'll be investigating ALL of the metal colloids including but not limited to: Copper, Platinum, Gold and Rhodium. :-)

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

-

Malissa Owings

herbal remedies

Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:13 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

Doc, I ran across this web site when researching CS, http://preventionforever.com/silver.htm, would you and any in the group check it out and let me know what you think???? Thanks..

Love & Happiness

Malissa"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote:

Dear Sara,

This is interesting.

Earlier, Rob mentioned that CS assists in killing off parasites.

One of the first byproducts of killing off parasites is soft runny doo doo as you so aptly put. ROTFLOL

The final test of this is whether or not the diarrhea is lessening over a weeks time at the large dosage.

Another test for me to make. :-)

In Health and Love,

Doc

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

-

Sara

herbal remedies

Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:14 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver

OK... I have to jump in here.

I've been taking and making CS for a few years - there is a little problem if you 'over do' ... you do actually OVER DOO! You'll get loose stools/diarrhea if you take too much for what your system can handle. It's a diuretic so it leeches fluids from your body - so you HAVE to drink a lot more H2O when you take it. BUT! Fear not! Just back off and you’ll go back to normal post haste!

Sara in AZ

Raine <rainelovesj wrote:

Hiya Doc,I'm not worried about getting too much because as long as what I'm making is electrically isolated (colloidal) silver, there is no harm to be done. You can always test what you're producing with various meters to get a good idea of the ppm but from my understanding you will generally produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.-RaineDr. Ian Shillington wrote:

"Goes" is good. :-)

Are you not worried about getting too much???

I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you just usually puke.

Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve???

Doc

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

Thank You,

Malissa Owings

DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce

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January 6, 2006

Amen ,sounds like he is for drug companies"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Dear Don, Wellllllll, this is the first somewhat "negative" response to the CS debate and I find your comments interesting. 1. What kind, model and make of machine did you end up buying for your tests??? 2. I notice you said, "most claims to be non . . . " but you didn't say "All". Did you find any positive benefits??? 3. You mentioned that your animal testing was "ineffective" but you also never mentioned the word "destructive" in your observations. Would you say it was a "no result" rather than either a positive or a negative conclusion??? 4. As far as Humans lying to themselves (the antithesis of the animals not doing so , is it not possible for the power of

positive thought to be a factor here or in any consideration when it comes to the field of healing or even the subject of living itself??? While I may not be the type to buy into hype (IE. I deplore MLM's), methinks thou doth protest too much. :-) Doc PS. Seriously though, I feel you need to be far more specific. LOL Doc

Shillington727-447-5282Doc - don wells herbal remedies Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:59 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver Hi Doc and all, We are most fortunate to be on such a list. I applaud your not buying into the hype regarding products and such things and actually testing them for yourself.

I spent two intensive years investigating CS and spent a fair bit of change buying this and that promised "better" machine etc in that persuit.In the end I found most claims to be non substantiated in my experience. I used both human and animal test subjects and found in the animals that the use of CS was especially inneffective! CS was tested on known parasite infections, upper respiratory conditions, Inflamations, Cold's and Flu's Sore Throats yopu name it we tried it.We did some blind studies in humans and found the placebo effect well and alive:-) The animals tend to not lie to themselves so I find that work far more convincing! Don Wells"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Dear Malissa, I checked the site out and found it amusing. I'm still in the primary stages of my own investigations so can make no comment. Since I'm still my own favorite guiney pig, and still have to wait a bit before doing any testing, the list will have to wait a while for my own personal take on it. Rob is sold on the stuff and I trust his observations and the testing he's done, so I'd definitely recommend you go ahead and do your own investigations into CS and not back off from trying it. You can bet that I will be in the not

too distant future. In Health and Love, Doc PS. I'll be investigating ALL of the metal colloids including but not limited to: Copper, Platinum, Gold and Rhodium. :-) Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc ----- Original

Message ----- Malissa Owings herbal remedies Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:13 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver Doc, I ran across this web site when researching CS, http://preventionforever.com/silver.htm, would you and any in the group check it out and let me know what you think???? Thanks.. Love & Happiness Malissa"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Dear Sara, This is interesting. Earlier, Rob mentioned that CS assists in killing off parasites. One of the first byproducts of killing off parasites is soft runny doo doo as you so aptly put. ROTFLOL The final test of this is whether or not the diarrhea is lessening over a weeks time at the large dosage. Another test for me to make. :-) In Health and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Sara herbal remedies Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:14 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver OK... I have to jump in here. I've been taking and making CS for a few years - there is a little problem if you 'over do' ... you do actually OVER DOO! You'll get loose stools/diarrhea if you take too much for what your system can handle. It's a diuretic so it leeches fluids from your body - so you HAVE to drink a lot more H2O when you take it. BUT! Fear not! Just back off and youï¿½ll go back to normal post haste! Sara in AZ Raine <rainelovesj wrote: Hiya Doc,I'm not worried about getting too much because as long as what I'm making is electrically isolated (colloidal) silver, there is no harm to be done. You can always test what you're producing with various meters to get a good idea of the ppm but from my understanding you will generally produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.-RaineDr. Ian Shillington wrote: "Goes" is good. :-) Are you not worried about getting too much??? I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you just usually puke. Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve??? Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc Thank You, Malissa Owings DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less http://ld.net/admin/fliers/CogniPhone Flyer.pdfcolor=#003399>http://ld.net/?oleman</A> <A href="http://www.vmcsatellite.com/?aid=72330" target=_blank>http://www.vmcsatellite.com/?aid=72330</A> <a href="http://www.vmcsatellite.com/channels/affiliates.cfm?aid=72330" target="_top" ><img src="http://www.vmcsatellite.com/banners/affrecruit453x191.gif" width="453" height="191" alt="Free Satellite TV!" border="0"></a>href="http://www.myaffiliateprogram.com/u/rapidsat/b.asp?id=14761 & img=rapidsat_cablezup_468x60_15k.gif"><img

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Hi Doc, Seems your close to the puter at the moment. See below my response."Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Dear Don, Wellllllll, this is the first somewhat "negative" response to the CS debate and I find your comments interesting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was no more happy than you are after I had to come to these conclusions! I thought finally I have found the

elixer of life after reading and hearing all the so called research associated to CS in the media and online.As a healer that "needs to be sure" before touting something natural I wanted to test as many claims as I could. I also tried to stick as closely to the symptoms claimed to be "cured" by the use of CS. 1. What kind, model and make of machine did you end up buying for your tests??? >>>>>>>>>>>> Is that ethical to write here as this can cast some product liability legalities possibly my way? I can say I used two prominent machines as well as a home built simple unit for larger faster production. The batches were tested for

PPM. 2. I notice you said, "most claims to be non . . . " but you didn't say "All". Did you find any positive benefits??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can say with assurity there was NO harm done from the testing that I am aware of.The subjects offered the CS were in many cases delicate neonatal birds of varying species as well as mammals.I am a proffessional Aviculturist by trade and we experience a large amount of different diseases in young birds.

Fungus( Candida, Aspergillosis sp) Bacterias ( E. coli, Pasteurella,Pseudomonas,Klebsiella, Salmonella , Psittacosis etc) Virus ( Parrot Beak and Feather Virus which is the smallest known viral particle i.e.Circovirus,etc) CS trials were used on all these conditions with preswabbing and blood assays ran prior to and afterwards. Not even one responded as we had hoped and all had to be treated otherwise with more stanadard drugs much to my chagrin. Parasites of many exotic forms were also treated and not even once did we see a change to the better! Things such as worms of all classes as well smaller parasites such as Avian Malaria,Coccidiosis were all assayed and identified before and after use. most batches of CS were between 10 to 12ppm as recommended. 3. You mentioned that your animal testing was "ineffective" but you also never mentioned the word "destructive" in your observations. Would you say it was a "no result" rather than either a positive or a negative conclusion??? >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would say inneffective best describes it. 4. As far as Humans lying to

themselves (the antithesis of the animals not doing so , is it not possible for the power of positive thought to be a factor here or in any consideration when it comes to the field of healing or even the subject of living itself??? >>>>>>>>>>>> As I mentioned earlier I believe the placebo effect helps the CS legend to stay alive a lot!!!! Its all about belief isnt it? While I may not be the type to buy into hype (IE. I deplore MLM's), methinks thou doth protest too much. :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Couldnt disagree with you more! I am posting my findings after all the other comments purposely.if you think this is protest guess again, its what I found to be! Others have reported differerent results and i would be most interested for you to now test for yourself and let us know your results. I am all ears! Doc PS. Seriously though, I feel you need to be far more specific. LOL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this enough or do you desire more:-) Don Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - don wells herbal remedies Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:59 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver Hi Doc and all, We are most fortunate to be on such a list. I applaud your not buying into the hype regarding products and such things and actually testing them for yourself. I spent two intensive years investigating CS and spent a fair bit of change buying this and that promised "better" machine etc in that persuit.In the end I found most claims to be non substantiated in my experience. I used both human and animal test subjects and found in the animals that the use of CS was especially inneffective! CS was tested on known parasite infections, upper respiratory conditions, Inflamations, Cold's and Flu's Sore Throats yopu name it we tried it.We did some blind studies

in humans and found the placebo effect well and alive:-) The animals tend to not lie to themselves so I find that work far more convincing! Don Wells"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Dear Malissa, I checked the site out and found it amusing. I'm still in the primary stages of my own investigations so can make no comment. Since I'm still my own favorite guiney pig, and still have to wait a bit before doing any testing, the list will have to wait a while for my own personal take on

it. Rob is sold on the stuff and I trust his observations and the testing he's done, so I'd definitely recommend you go ahead and do your own investigations into CS and not back off from trying it. You can bet that I will be in the not too distant future. In Health and Love, Doc PS. I'll be investigating ALL of the metal colloids including but not limited to: Copper, Platinum, Gold and Rhodium. :-) Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Malissa Owings herbal remedies Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:13 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver Doc, I ran across this web site when researching CS, http://preventionforever.com/silver.htm, would you and any in the group check it out and let me know what you think????

Thanks.. Love & Happiness Malissa"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Dear Sara, This is interesting. Earlier, Rob mentioned that CS assists in killing off parasites. One of the first byproducts of killing off parasites is soft runny doo doo as you so aptly put. ROTFLOL The final test of this is whether or not the diarrhea is lessening over a weeks time at the

large dosage. Another test for me to make. :-) In Health and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Sara herbal remedies Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:14 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver OK... I have to jump in here. I've been taking and making CS for a few years - there is a little problem if you 'over do' ... you do actually OVER DOO! You'll get loose stools/diarrhea if you take too much for what your system can handle. It's a diuretic so it leeches fluids from your body

- so you HAVE to drink a lot more H2O when you take it. BUT! Fear not! Just back off and you’ll go back to normal post haste! Sara in AZ Raine <rainelovesj wrote: Hiya Doc,I'm not worried

about getting too much because as long as what I'm making is electrically isolated (colloidal) silver, there is no harm to be done. You can always test what you're producing with various meters to get a good idea of the ppm but from my understanding you will generally produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.-RaineDr. Ian Shillington wrote: "Goes" is good. :-) Are you not worried about getting too much??? I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you just usually puke. Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve??? Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc Thank You, Malissa Owings DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce

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January 6, 2006

I honestly don't think Don was doing it correctly.

When used on a daily basis Silver Colliod Will yeild

impressive results. The only thing is often the

recommended doeses of 1-2 tablespoons per day won't

quite cut the mustard. I personally take between 8-16

ounces a day. If you're taking 99.9% silver and doing

it properly there should be no negative side effects.

It usually takes about 1 week for your body to start

to improve after you've begun taking it. There is a

great short PDF file by professor Ronald J. Gibbs that

explains all the pro's and cons of silver. The only

BAD information I've ever seen about silver were those

few people who really didn't know how to take it or

made it with the wrong type of equipment.

Andrew

--- Benny Youngblood <toeby wrote:

> Amen ,sounds like he is for drug companies

>

> " Dr. Ian Shillington " <DocShillington

> wrote: Dear Don,

>

> Wellllllll, this is the first somewhat " negative "

> response to the CS debate and I find your comments

> interesting.

>

> 1. What kind, model and make of machine did you

> end up buying for your tests???

> 2. I notice you said, " most claims to be non . .

> . " but you didn't say " All " . Did you find any

> positive benefits???

> 3. You mentioned that your animal testing was

> " ineffective " but you also never mentioned the word

> " destructive " in your observations. Would you say

> it was a " no result " rather than either a positive

> or a negative conclusion???

> 4. As far as Humans lying to themselves (the

> antithesis of the animals not doing so , is it not

> possible for the power of positive thought to be a

> factor here or in any consideration when it comes

> to the field of healing or even the subject of

> living itself???

>

> While I may not be the type to buy into hype (IE.

> I deplore MLM's), methinks thou doth protest too

> much. :-)

>

> Doc

>

> PS. Seriously though, I feel you need to be far

> more specific. LOL

>

> Doc Shillington

> 727-447-5282

> Doc

> -

> don wells

> herbal remedies

> Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:59 PM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal

> Silver

>

> Hi Doc and all,

>

> We are most fortunate to be on such a list. I

> applaud your not buying into the hype regarding

> products and such things and actually testing them

> for yourself. I spent two intensive years

> investigating CS and spent a fair bit of change

> buying this and that promised " better " machine etc

> in that persuit.In the end I found most claims to

> be non substantiated in my experience. I used

> both human and animal test subjects and found in the

> animals that the use of CS was especially

> inneffective! CS was tested on known parasite

> infections, upper respiratory conditions,

> Inflamations, Cold's and Flu's Sore Throats yopu

> name it we tried it.We did some blind studies in

> humans and found the placebo effect well and

> alive:-) The animals tend to not lie to themselves

> so I find that work far more convincing!

>

> Don Wells

>

> " Dr. Ian Shillington "

> <DocShillington wrote:

> Dear Malissa,

> I checked the site out and found it

> amusing.

> I'm still in the primary stages of my own

> investigations so can make no comment.

> Since I'm still my own favorite guiney

> pig, and still have to wait a bit before doing any

> testing, the list will have to wait a while for

> my own personal take on it.

> Rob is sold on the stuff and I trust his

> observations and the testing he's done, so I'd

> definitely recommend you go ahead and do your

> own investigations into CS and not back off

> from trying it.

> You can bet that I will be in the not too

> distant future.

> In Health and Love,

> Doc

> PS. I'll be investigating ALL of the

> metal colloids including but not limited to:

> Copper, Platinum, Gold and Rhodium. :-)

>

> Doc Shillington

> 727-447-5282

> Doc

> -

> Malissa Owings

> herbal remedies

> Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:13

> PM

> Re: Herbal Remedies -

> Colloidal Silver

>

> Doc, I ran across this web site when

> researching CS,

> http://preventionforever.com/silver.htm,

> would you and any in the group check it out and let

> me know what you think???? Thanks..

> Love & Happiness

> Malissa

>

> " Dr. Ian Shillington " <DocShillington

> wrote:

> Dear

> Sara,

> This is interesting.

> Earlier, Rob mentioned that CS

> assists in killing off parasites.

> One of the first byproducts of

> killing off parasites is soft runny doo doo as you

> so aptly put. ROTFLOL

> The final test of this is whether

> or not the diarrhea is lessening over a weeks time

> at the large dosage.

> Another test for me to make. :-)

> In Health and Love,

> Doc

>

> Doc Shillington

> 727-447-5282

> Doc

> -

> Sara

> herbal remedies

>

> Thursday, December 29, 2005

> 12:14 PM

> Re: Herbal Remedies -

> Colloidal Silver

>

> OK... I have to jump in here.

>

> I've been taking and making CS for a few

> years - there is a little problem if you

> 'over do' ... you do actually OVER DOO!

> You'll get loose stools/diarrhea if you take too

> much for what your system can handle.

> It's a diuretic so it leeches fluids from

> your body - so you HAVE to drink a lot

> more H2O when you take it. BUT! Fear not! Just

> back off and youï¿½ll go back to normal

> post haste!

>

> Sara in AZ

>

> Raine <rainelovesj wrote:

> Hiya Doc,

>

> I'm not worried about getting too much

> because as long as what I'm making is electrically

> isolated (colloidal) silver, there is

> no harm to be done.

> You can always test what you're

> producing with various meters to get a good idea of

> the ppm but from my understanding you

> will generally produce a *clear* 5-25

> ppm.

>

> -Raine

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington wrote:

> " Goes " is good. :-)

> Are you not worried

> about getting too much???

> I know with herbs, for

> the most part, if you take too much you just usually

> puke.

> Does colloidal silver

> have its own safety valve???

> Doc

>

> Doc Shillington

> 727-447-5282

> Doc

>

> Thank You,

> Malissa Owings

>

> DSL Something to write home

> about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

>

> Life is not about how fast you run, or how high

> you climb, but how well you bounce

>

> DSL Something to write home about. Just

> $16.99/mo. or less

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the

> following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

> before using any natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

> your own physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome

> to post here as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are

> exactly that, and any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so

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> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting

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>

January 6, 2006

I went to one international food store in my area to buy distilled water. One man asked me why I am taking that water. I said I am drinking. And he said Oh, I thought you are making silver water. He is from Russia. I looked at him and wanted to hear more. He said that he has years research with silver water, and everybody can make with distilled water not even using electricity. He said it is enough to put real silver think in distilled water and silver would bi dissolved over time. And you have very fine silver water. I did not try. But I tried something else this week. Because I tested all distilled waters in my area and I found them all very acid, I tried to make them less acid. I tried with sea salt. It didn't work. But I put egg shells from the eggs that I put in my Total Nutrition every morning. I washed them, took of inner lining and dry them very good. Then I put them in a jar with distilled water and measured pH this morning. It was much better. So I need Docs

thinking on this, or he probably already knows this. Regards jasmina"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Dear Malissa, I checked the site out and found it amusing. I'm still in the primary stages of my own investigations so can make no comment. Since I'm still my own favorite guiney pig, and still have to wait a bit before doing any testing, the list will have to wait a while for my own personal take on it. Rob is sold on

the stuff and I trust his observations and the testing he's done, so I'd definitely recommend you go ahead and do your own investigations into CS and not back off from trying it. You can bet that I will be in the not too distant future. In Health and Love, Doc PS. I'll be investigating ALL of the metal colloids including but not limited to: Copper, Platinum, Gold and Rhodium. :-) Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Malissa Owings herbal remedies Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:13 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver Doc, I ran across this web site when researching CS, http://preventionforever.com/silver.htm, would you and any in the group check it out and let me know what you think???? Thanks.. Love & Happiness Malissa"Dr. Ian Shillington"

<DocShillington wrote: Dear Sara, This is interesting. Earlier, Rob mentioned that CS assists in killing off parasites. One of the first byproducts of killing off parasites is soft runny doo doo as you so aptly put. ROTFLOL The final test of this is whether or not the diarrhea is lessening over a weeks time at the large dosage. Another test for me

to make. :-) In Health and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Sara herbal remedies Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:14 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Colloidal Silver OK... I have to jump in here. I've been taking and making CS for a few years - there is a little problem if you 'over do' ... you do actually OVER DOO! You'll get loose stools/diarrhea if you take too much for what your system can handle. It's a diuretic so it leeches fluids from your body - so you HAVE to drink a lot more H2O when you take it. BUT! Fear not! Just back off and you’ll go back to normal post haste! Sara in AZ Raine <rainelovesj wrote: Hiya Doc,I'm not worried about getting too much because as long as what I'm making is electrically isolated

(colloidal) silver, there is no harm to be done. You can always test what you're producing with various meters to get a good idea of the ppm but from my understanding you will generally produce a *clear* 5-25 ppm.-RaineDr. Ian Shillington wrote: "Goes" is good. :-) Are you not worried about getting too much??? I know with herbs, for the most part, if you take too much you just usually puke. Does colloidal silver have its own safety valve??? Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc Thank You, Malissa Owings DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

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