Hello

May 13, 2003

I do not have an MD. I believe that was your issue. >>>No issue just curious

alon

May 13, 2003

The first two years of Univ. of Texas medical school represented the didactic portion

>>>Were did you do the last 2 years and internship. I assume you did not do a residency?

alon

May 13, 2003

I do not have an MD

>>>oops i did not see the not

thanks alon

May 13, 2003

When I started to see clinical rotations, I was gravely disappointed by the disconnect between clinical science and basic science

>>>Well by third year its about what the drug companies are teaching not basic science applications

alon

May 15, 2003

Thank you Simon for that. I must find the Pin Yin versions for those

words.

Atti

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Simon "

<s.becker@l...> wrote:

> A lot of " bloody " , " stupid " and " idiots " in your post. Is that

necessary?

> And does that belong on a professional forum?

>

> As for Mu Tong, it is not actually Mu Tong which is dangerous. It

is if the

> Aristolochic species (A. manshurensis) is used that it may cause

kidney

> failure (or what is termed Chinese herb nephropathy). As long as

Clematis

> (Clematidis armandii) or Akebia (A. quinata or A. trifoliata)

species are

> used, Mu Tong, even if used for weight control, is not dangerous

(I am not

> saying that it is appropriate). When I for the first time saw the

list of

> the banned products in the UK, I was a bit shocked that the

Chinese names

> where used for banning medicinals, not the species. As we all

know, often

> two or three different species are used for a sinlge Pin Yin name.

As a

> matter of fact, even the Pin Yin name is often differentiated, but

this

> differentiation often does not make it to the West. In case of Mu

Tong it

> did: Chuan Mu Tong is the Stephania sp., Guang Mu Tong the

Aristolochia sp.

> Similar in Mu Xiang. Qing Mu Xiang is Aristolochia, Tu Mu Xiang

Inula and

> Guang Mu Xiang Auklandia.

> Sincerely,

>

> Simon Becker

>

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

> Von: [attiliodalberto]

> Gesendet: Montag, 12. Mai 2003 17:42

> An: Chinese Traditional Medicine

> Betreff: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Hello

>

> Its a bloody shame their gonna ban Ma Huang and bloody stupid.

Thank

> God they haven't done it yet in the UK, but may do. Although with

> regulation coming into effect in 2005, the govering bodies, of

which

> i have spoken to, are pushing to have animal products and some

> banned herbs re-instated, like Mu Tong, which is in Long Dan Xie

Dan

> Tang. Mu Tong was banned because some idiots used it in Belgium

as a

> diet supplement, non herbal idiots that is.

>

> So i'm all for banned herbs being used, so long as they are used

by

> properly qualified herbalists.

>

> Zai jian

>

> Attilio

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Rev. Hal "

> <revhal2000> wrote:

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am Hal a 'Detox-Acupuncture Specialist' for Housing

> > Works in NYC. Thank you for the invitation to join

> > the group.

> >

> > BTW..., I wouldn't mind finding out what you all out

> > there think of the pending band in New York on

> > Ephedera (Ma Haung).

> >

> > ShalOM,

> > Hal

> >

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> > Rev. Hal

> >

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> >

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May 15, 2003

As a matter of fact, even the Pin Yin name is often differentiated, but this differentiation often does not make it to the West. In case of Mu Tong it did: Chuan Mu Tong is the Stephania sp., Guang Mu Tong the Aristolochia sp. Similar in Mu Xiang. Qing Mu Xiang is Aristolochia, Tu Mu Xiang Inula and Guang Mu Xiang Auklandia.

Sincerely,

Simon Becker

>>>>I was talking to Sam from qualiherbs and he tells me the problem with mu tong is that one can not get pure mu tong in any significant amount in the market. They apparently mixed varieties in china all the time.

alon

May 15, 2003

As a matter of fact, even the Pin Yin name is often differentiated, but this differentiation often does not make it to the West. In case of Mu Tong it did: Chuan Mu Tong is the Stephania sp., Guang Mu Tong the Aristolochia sp. Similar in Mu Xiang. Qing Mu Xiang is Aristolochia, Tu Mu Xiang Inula and Guang Mu Xiang Auklandia.

Sincerely,

Simon Becker

>>>>I was talking to Sam from qualiherbs and he tells me the problem with mu tong is that one can not get pure mu tong in any significant amount in the market. They apparently mixed varieties in china all the time.

alon

Alon,

That's why it's important for the supplier to buy directly from the grower. Lot numbers should reflect specific growing sites if not specific plots of land.

The differentiations that Simon speaks of should be noted and dealt with as a course of normal business. The difference between Han Fan Ji and Guan Fan Ji should be noted as this is central to the aristolochic acid controversy. Simon's references note the differences between Mu Tong from entirely different provinces. Such regional differences should be easy to manage if you are loading a container at a growing site rather than at a Hong Kong or Shen Zhen warehouse.

Sam from QualiHerbs and Dr. Liang from my own company have met and discussed these issues at last August's seminar near the S.F. airport.

Emmanuel Segmen

August 17, 2003

At 05:31 AM 8/17/2003, Gea wrote:

>Please forgive me if I offend anyone with my first post, but is this a YL

>group? I just am not interested in the company and again I mean no

>offense, I will leave quietly and not impose if you are.

Welcome, Gea! Have no fear... this is not a YL group. :-)

-- Sandy

>Blessings

>Gea

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August 17, 2003

Hi Mama Gea

Great to have you aboard! Make yourself at home.

And good heavens no we're not a YL group. In fact a few of our members

are at the top of the YL most hated people list

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

Gea [theimage]

Sunday, August 17, 2003 3:32 AM

Hello

Hello,

I just wanted to say Hi to everyone, so no one thought I was a

spaming- I think I was here awhile back, but I am not sure.

I am a wife, mom of 2 kids 5 furkids .

Please forgive me if I offend anyone with my first post, but is this

a YL group? I just am not interested in the company and again I

mean no offense, I will leave quietly and not impose if you are.

Blessings

Gea

August 17, 2003

Chris,

This is probably a stupid question but what is a YL group?

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Christine Ziegler

Sunday, August 17, 2003 10:48 AM

RE: Hello

Hi Mama Gea

Great to have you aboard! Make yourself at home.

And good heavens no we're not a YL group. In fact a few of our members

are at the top of the YL most hated people list

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

August 18, 2003

Hey Gea,

We diffinitely are not a YL group. Actually this

group is very vocal against their expensive oils

among other

--- Gea <theimage wrote:

> Hello,

> I just wanted to say Hi to everyone, so no one

> thought I was a

> spaming- I think I was here awhile back, but I

> am not sure.

> I am a wife, mom of 2 kids 5 furkids .

> Please forgive me if I offend anyone with my

> first post, but is this

> a YL group? I just am not interested in the

> company and again I

> mean no offense, I will leave quietly and not

> impose if you are.

>

> Blessings

> Gea

>

=====

Cheryl Smith

A Heavenly Body

204 Muldoon Road

Anchorage AK 99504

August 18, 2003

Thank-you for the welcome, didn't mean to create a uproar, but I

seem to be a magnet for them, my first Aromatherapy teacher now is a

YL distributor, my local health food store is selling their

products under his own label, I have parkinsons and a " friend " is

trying to cure me with Mr. Youngs techniques- and way too many run

ins with the distributors so its the first question I feel I have to

ask.

Again thanks for having me and I am happy to learn from honest and

informed people.

Gea

, " Christine Ziegler "

<chrisziggy@e...> wrote:

> Hi Mama Gea

>

> Great to have you aboard! Make yourself at home.

>

> And good heavens no we're not a YL group. In fact a few of our

members

> are at the top of the YL most hated people list

>

> *Smile*

> Chris (list mom)

>

> http://www.alittleolfactory.com

August 18, 2003

Hi Gea,

Several years ago, I did a lot of study on parkinson, I think I had something

for involitary

reflex. My neice has CP. All the work I put into it, I mixed up a bottle so

she could use it on her arms. When I gave it to her, my brother and sister in

law were right there.

They right away said it won't work. The Dr's said nothing could be done.

Sadly their mind was so set, they wouldn't even ask her Dr's if maybe she could

try it.

Some People.

Love

Thank-you for the welcome, didn't mean to create a uproar, but I

seem to be a magnet for them, my first Aromatherapy teacher now is a

YL distributor, my local health food store is selling their

products under his own label, I have parkinsons and a " friend " is

trying to cure me with Mr. Youngs techniques- and way too many run

ins with the distributors so its the first question I feel I have to

ask.

Again thanks for having me and I am happy to learn from honest and

informed people.

Gea

scents1

August 18, 2003

I count myself among the very novice who were fortunate to find this group

before ever even hearing of YL.

If anyone ever approaches me and says anything that even sounds like

YL...believe me from what I've learned here no one has to identify themselves as

YL - I'll know it the minute they open their mouths. I will tell them to have a

nice day somewhere else.

This isn't just a very knowledgeable group. You will find they are all happy to

share, open minded and of good spirit.

I'm glad you found them too.

Dale

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Gea

Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM

Re: Hello

Thank-you for the welcome, didn't mean to create a uproar,

August 18, 2003

Thanks all for the welcome,

My dx is one of the main reasons I got into aromatherapy, my

neurologist is amazed that I am basically maintaining my symptoms

and not getting worse, he credits it to the fact that I am 34 but I

think its a combo of that a positive attitude and aromatherapy, it

not only helps me limit my muscles freezing up, reduces the

tremors - keeps my stress level down and my mind active as well.

He's not at all against it- if its working go for it.

I have my bad days & its not going to cure me, but I think I would

be much worse if I gave in to it. Plus it has made a difference in

my whole family- everyone is healthier.

I only have my first level certification and have to wait to save

for the money for the next level, I don't have any recipe that I use

& I can't afford alot of oils to experiment with so mainly its

lavender.

Gea

, scentsl <scents1> wrote:

> Hi Gea,

> Several years ago, I did a lot of study on parkinson, I think I

had something for involitary

> reflex. My neice has CP. All the work I put into it, I mixed up

a bottle so she could use it on her arms. When I gave it to her, my

brother and sister in law were right there.

> They right away said it won't work. The Dr's said nothing could

be done.

> Sadly their mind was so set, they wouldn't even ask her Dr's if

maybe she could try it.

> Some People.

> Love

August 18, 2003

Gea,

Wish I knew what I did with all my research. But it was years ago.

Also them not even willing to ask the Dr, I probably threw it away.

My father had Parkinsons. That is probably why I started there with my

research.

Glad you joined us.

Nancy

Thanks all for the welcome,

My dx is one of the main reasons I got into aromatherapy, my

neurologist is amazed that I am basically maintaining my symptoms

and not getting worse, he credits it to the fact that I am 34 but I

think its a combo of that a positive attitude and aromatherapy, it

not only helps me limit my muscles freezing up, reduces the

tremors - keeps my stress level down and my mind active as well.

He's not at all against it- if its working go for it.

I have my bad days & its not going to cure me, but I think I would

be much worse if I gave in to it. Plus it has made a difference in

my whole family- everyone is healthier.

I only have my first level certification and have to wait to save

for the money for the next level, I don't have any recipe that I use

& I can't afford alot of oils to experiment with so mainly its

lavender.

Gea

scents1

August 18, 2003

Gea~

Makes perfect sense to me to ask early in the game re: YL.

I will spare everyone my tyrants on the subject.

This list has some wonderful people. All ages and levels of

experience.

Welcome aboard. Enjoy yourself.

Janet aka Sineád

>Thank-you for the welcome, didn't mean to create a uproar, but I

>seem to be a magnet for them, my first Aromatherapy teacher now is a

>YL distributor, my local health food store is selling their

>products under his own label, I have parkinsons and a " friend " is

>trying to cure me with Mr. Youngs techniques- and way too many run

>ins with the distributors so its the first question I feel I have to

>ask.

>Again thanks for having me and I am happy to learn from honest and

>informed people.

>Gea

>

> , " Christine Ziegler "

><chrisziggy@e...> wrote:

> > Hi Mama Gea

> >

> > Great to have you aboard! Make yourself at home.

> >

> > And good heavens no we're not a YL group. In fact a few of our

>members

> > are at the top of the YL most hated people list

> >

> > *Smile*

> > Chris (list mom)

> >

> > <http://www.alittleolfactory.com>http://www.alittleolfactory.com

>

January 23, 2004

Hi Rosanne,

I'm new here too, so we'll be learning together.

How long have you been interested in oils & /or herbs?

Do you have a special area of interest for using them, or is that something

you are still discovering?

Blessings to you too,

Holly Perry

January 23, 2004

Welcome to the list Rosanne.

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< >

Friday, January 23, 2004 7:58 AM

hello

Hi everyone! My name is Rosanne and I'm new to this group.

Oils and Herbs came highly recommended so I'm looking forward to

learning and sharing with all of you.

Blessings,

Rosanne

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Hello Holly and thank you for your welcome. I've been working with herbs

and essential oils since the late 80's. I've made my own medicines

(tinctures, cough drops, salves, etc.) from herbs that I mostly grow in

my garden. I use essential oils for pretty much everything these days! I

incorporate them into my herbal remedies, diffuse them, etc. and I love

blending. I am very connected to the plant world and have come to know

them as powerful allies in all their forms. I discover something new

everyday and I hope I never stop learning. The plants are great teachers

and if I remember to get out of my own way, sometimes, I can learn so

much more.

Blessings,

Rosanne

lovehealsyou wrote:

> Hi Rosanne,

>

> I'm new here too, so we'll be learning together.

>

> How long have you been interested in oils & /or herbs?

> Do you have a special area of interest for using them, or is that

> something

> you are still discovering?

>

> Blessings to you too,

>

> Holly Perry

>

January 23, 2004

Thank you, Evelyn!

Blessings,

Rosanne

Evelyn Millican wrote:

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> < >

> Friday, January 23, 2004 7:58 AM

> hello

>

> Hi everyone! My name is Rosanne and I'm new to this group.

> Oils and Herbs came highly recommended so I'm looking forward to

> learning and sharing with all of you.

>

> Blessings,

> Rosanne

>

> Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves:

>

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> Hi everyone! My name is Rosanne and I'm new to this group.

Hi Roseanne!

It is good to have you aboard too! (lots of new aboards today *lol*)

> Oils and Herbs came highly recommended

Awww, shucks, you folks are making me blush

:::blush:::

> so I'm looking forward to

> learning and sharing with all of you.

I look forward to it too. Jump right in, make yourself at home, get

comfy,and become part of the family

> Blessings,

> Rosanne

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

January 25, 2004

Rosanne - you sound like you are definitely connected - how about helping out us

newbies - got any files you can post on recipies, remedies, ect?? Sure would

appreciate it! :-)

My d-i-l is looking for something to help out for colds in little ones, runny

noses ect ... :-)

Pam

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Friday, January 23, 2004 11:58 AM

Re: hello