Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Hi Kelly and welcome! You sound familiar and I hope you came over from another list that I am on where I shared alittleolfactory.com as a place to get cool salts. This is a great list, the best one I am on or have seen. There are a lot of knowledgeable, helpful and kind people on here always willing to share! Glad to see you here! Margaret > " Kellys Soaps Salts & Fizzies " <vkhess > > > Hello >Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:48:19 -0500 > > I just wanted to say hello!! I just joined your list. I am in Chelsea, >Ok. > I am a stay at home mom of 4. I make cphp soaps, m & p soaps, fizzing bath > soaks, soothing oatmeal soaks, lip butters, body butters, face & body > scrubs. I also sell bottles & jars, cosmetic & soap grade emu oil, honey > & > vanilla powders....I hope to learn alot from your list. I definatley >like > oils & herbs, :-))) > Kelly's Soaps, Salts, & Fizzies > Kelly Hess > www.soaprecious.com/kellys-bottles > > _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Hi Kelly from Chelsea. Welcome to the group! Judy (in OK too) ===== Help save the world -FOR FREE- Visit: http://www.oneclickatatime.org You KNOW you need it! http://www.prepaidlegal.com/info/leeroberts What on earth do I have on ebay now? Graphics Software!http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/earthfinds/ Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games./ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2002 Hi Raven: Welcome to you. You wil like it here. Jenn in Or --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release 9/9/2002 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 28, 2002 I've used poutis (sp?) on warts and they can kind of mess up the skin, but after a week, it'll heal up. Do you know what's in your poletis (sp?) ? Katrina wrote: > > Hello, > I am a new member who joined to gain more information on TCM and > acupuncture. I am currently in a twice a week acupuncture treatment > program for medial tibial stress syndrome, which I have had symptoms, > acute and chronic, for over a year now. > Most recently we have been using poultus (sp?) of bone mending powder > mixed with acute powder and it has been overly sucessful in pulling up > old stagnation (my leg looks like it got ran over by a tractor now) but > seems to have done its job. It has been VERY harsh on my skin, however, > and that has caused us to stop applying the plasters while my skin > heals. > Has anyone had any experience with this or thoughts? > Katrina > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2002 I do not know what the chinese herbs are.. I only know what was written on the rx.. some parts 'Bone Mending' and some parts 'Acute' Maybe someone here can identify those. My skin is starting to clear up, but some part, specifically down around my ankle and close to the point of injury, have remained stubborn in their healing adn like to itch a lot. I have taken to dabbing a little cortisone creame on to prevent me from unconsiously scratching while I sleep. > I've used poutis (sp?) on warts and they can kind of mess up the skin, > but after a week, it'll heal up. > > Do you know what's in your poletis (sp?) ? > > Katrina wrote: > > > > Hello, > > I am a new member who joined to gain more information on TCM and > > acupuncture. I am currently in a twice a week acupuncture treatment > > program for medial tibial stress syndrome, which I have had symptoms, > > acute and chronic, for over a year now. > > Most recently we have been using poultus (sp?) of bone mending powder > > mixed with acute powder and it has been overly sucessful in pulling up > > old stagnation (my leg looks like it got ran over by a tractor now) but > > seems to have done its job. It has been VERY harsh on my skin, however, > > and that has caused us to stop applying the plasters while my skin > > heals. > > Has anyone had any experience with this or thoughts? > > Katrina > > > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine@o... > > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine-@o... > > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine-@o... > > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner@o... > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2002 --- Katrina <khwoodcock wrote: > I do not know what the chinese herbs are.. I only > know what was written > on the rx.. > some parts 'Bone Mending' > and some parts 'Acute' > Maybe someone here can identify those. They're two different traditional poultices used for " bone mending " and " acute trauma " . One has a bunch of herbs which strengthen bone, duzhong, gouji etc and the other has herbs to regenerate tissue and move blood. If I hve time I will look them up and post the exact ingredients for the versions I have. Bye, Hugo Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2002 > They're two different traditional poultices used for > " bone mending " and " acute trauma " . One has a bunch of > herbs which strengthen bone, duzhong, gouji etc and > the other has herbs to regenerate tissue and move > blood. If I hve time I will look them up and post the > exact ingredients for the versions I have. I hope you will. Thanks, Victoria Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 25, 2003 Hi Jody! My name is Rachelle, and I just reciently joined the List too. There are a bunch of very cool people that you'll meet and they are very wise! Lots of fun too! I used to live not far from you! In Ravenna! I live in Utah now. Welcome and have fun! ( Your Lavender should be OK, my Mom used to grow Lavender in her backyard, and that was Detroit!) trendsjody wrote:Hi List! My name is Jody Byrne and I live on a small lavender/herb/dried flowers farm in Streetsboro,OH. That's Zone 5 although this winter it feels like Zone 3! I am a soap/lotion/toiletries/teas/dried herbs maker and I want to use the herbs we grow to make my soaps etc. We currently specialize in lavender. We planted a 150 plant test bed to see how lavender likes Ohio. Last winter was a piece of cake; this winter is a true test. I really can't wait for spring to see who many make it!! We also grow a few mints and I'd like to do more. And then the usual culinary suspects. I would like to build this into a business that can supplement my DH and mine retirement income and we've made small steps in that direction. We have a 1.2 acre field plowed in readiness for a big lavender planting in the spring ... if the test patch comes through with glowing colors! He keeps telling me they are safe and happy under the blanket of snow that covers them .... I say 5 degrees is 5 degrees!! Well that's enough for now. I'm very happy to have found this list and will probably lurk for a bit to absorb all that there is to learn. Thanks for letting me in!! Jody How To Make Rose Petal Jam - Step By Step Instructions http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html To Un send a blank e-mail to: - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 25, 2003 Welcome Jody! This is a very delightful, informative, helpful group I am interested in learning more about how these lavender plants do as I am in PA - near Pittsburgh. Will you offer these plants for sale? Do you also grow rosemary? Please keep me/us posted Becky~ trendsjody wrote: > > Hi List! > My name is Jody Byrne and I live on a small lavender/herb/dried flowers farm in Streetsboro,OH. That's Zone 5 although this winter it feels like Zone 3! I am a soap/lotion/toiletries/teas/dried herbs maker and I want to use the herbs we grow to make my soaps etc. > We currently specialize in lavender. We planted a 150 plant test bed to see how lavender likes Ohio. Last winter was a piece of cake; this winter is a true test. I really can't wait for spring to see who many make it!! We also grow a few mints and I'd like to do more. And then the usual culinary suspects. I would like to build this into a business that can supplement my DH and mine retirement income and we've made small steps in that direction. > We have a 1.2 acre field plowed in readiness for a big lavender planting in the spring ... if the test patch comes through with glowing colors! He keeps telling me they are safe and happy under the blanket of snow that covers them .... I say 5 degrees is 5 degrees!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 25, 2003 Hi jody Do you have a web site? Carol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 26, 2003 Hi Jody I make herb soaps and toiletries. There is so much you can do with them. Linda http://www.lillizard.com/Supplies.html Check out the great deals! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2003 Hi Sindy (and other new members), Welcome aboard I'm the list mom around these parts - although I've been a bit scarce lately (I just had a baby a little over a week ago and boy oh boy was I POOPED during this pregnancy - but I'm beginning to get back to normal now . This is great list full of great folks who have a lot to share! Make yourself at home and feel free to start up a conversation or join in one already in progress at any time. *Smile* Chris <http://www.alittleolfactory.com> http://www.alittleolfactory.com Sindy [atlasreloo] Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:56 PM hello I'm new to the list as well as soapmaking,etc. Looking forward to being on a friendly, informative list. I'll probably just look and learn for a while Thanks Sindy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2003 Hi Chris, I have moved back to my home state (Michigan) and have been off line for a while. Congratulations on your new baby! Did you have a girl or a boy? Hope your doing well. Josephene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 15, 2003 Hello every one, I am new to the group. So let me introduce myself. My name is Wu Jing Jie and I came from Malaysia. I have studied TCM and acupuncture. I am now practicing TCM and acupuncture on a part-time basis.I am looking forward to learn more from this list. Thank you Jingjie The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 To Ban Ma Huang is wrong!! Due to the misuse of the herb in western applications (weight loss drugs etc) why should it be banned? Chinese medicine does not use herbs in this fashion. Herbs are not used individually for long periods of time or in concentrated doses, in medicines that are prescribed there are guiding, assistant, minister herbs that have the job of constraining any unwanted actions of any herb in order for it to carry out a specific action. Additionally, if one is not indicated for particular herbs then they are not used!! Hugely different from western applications and mentality, differentiation according to TCM theory need be applied. Of course if you give someone medication that is not appropriate there will be adverse reaction depending on how long and dosage. No, I for one vehemently appose the ban of Ma Huang and other Chinese medicines. It is also of importance TCM practitioner/ DTCM’s speak up - voice your opinions in your region regarding the banning of these medicines. Long Dan Xie Gan Tang was banned as well, why??? Because a western “study” showed that it can produce renal failure. Well, how was this study done? Who would be giving a formula such as this over a long period of time to a patient? Were/are the patients indicated for this? There are so many questions regarding the validity of the data provided, did the researchers have a knowledge of TCM theory and application? How can you apply western study practices to TCM ? Does this not step away from allowing the medicine to work according to differentiation? It seems as though there may need to have a new perspective/approach to integrated TCM & western studies........food for thought!! " Rev. Hal " <revhal2000 Chinese Traditional Medicine Mon, 12 May 2003 05:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Hello Hello, I am Hal a 'Detox-Acupuncture Specialist' for Housing Works in NYC. Thank you for the invitation to join the group. BTW..., I wouldn't mind finding out what you all out there think of the pending band in New York on Ephedera (Ma Haung). ShalOM, Hal ===== ShalOM, Rev. Hal " May All Beings Learn to Live In Peace " The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 I didnt know Ma Huang was banned. In what country is this? ===== Attilio www.chinesedoctor.co.uk Chinese Traditional Medicine The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Its a bloody shame their gonna ban Ma Huang and bloody stupid. Thank God they haven't done it yet in the UK, but may do. Although with regulation coming into effect in 2005, the govering bodies, of which i have spoken to, are pushing to have animal products and some banned herbs re-instated, like Mu Tong, which is in Long Dan Xie Dan Tang. Mu Tong was banned because some idiots used it in Belgium as a diet supplement, non herbal idiots that is. So i'm all for banned herbs being used, so long as they are used by properly qualified herbalists. Zai jian Attilio Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Rev. Hal " <revhal2000> wrote: > Hello, > > I am Hal a 'Detox-Acupuncture Specialist' for Housing > Works in NYC. Thank you for the invitation to join > the group. > > BTW..., I wouldn't mind finding out what you all out > there think of the pending band in New York on > Ephedera (Ma Haung). > > ShalOM, > Hal > > ===== > ShalOM, > Rev. Hal > > " May All Beings Learn to Live In Peace " > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 As I understand it, Marne Ergil and an number of other CM practitioners in NY managed to get an exception for Ma Huang for CM practitioners. I believe the legislation is still pending as Rev Hal has noted. Legislation against Ma Huang is also pending on the U.S. federal level and in California. I'm in California and so am more aware of this aspect. Check with Marne on the CHA list for NY status. I haven't introduced myself previously to this group. I'm a former clinic director for American College of TCM in 1988 who helped collate the first procedural manual in an effort to obtain Title XX funding for the clinic as a California Community Clinic. Those are in the days when the school was administered by Howard Harrison and Aikow Wang, and indirectly and remotely by Dr. Cheng. I had just been to medical school in Texas and moved on to graduate school in molecular biology and physiology in 1989. I returned to CM as a marketing supervisor for Min Tong Herbs and as a former biochemist fell in love with the East-West fusion of sciences present in Dr. Charles Chiang's mind. Dr. Chiang and his wife Dr. Lin run Min Tong Herbs in America. I joined Dr. Liang and Dr. Kang at Asia Natural Products in 1995 because of their very idealist work in sourcing Chinese herbs from growers in remote sites throughout China. We work with Chinese agronomist PhDs who are specifically trained to work with traditional growers of Chinese herbs and have a keen interest in documenting their oral traditions ... as well as getting American dollars to the growers before their progeny all leave their ancestral villages. I work as the general manager in Asia Natural in the city of San Francisco. Emmanuel Segmen - Attilio D'Alberto Chinese Traditional Medicine Monday, May 12, 2003 7:56 AM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Hello I didnt know Ma Huang was banned. In what country is this?=====Attiliowww.chinesedoctor.co.uk Chinese Traditional MedicineDo you ?The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.http://search. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Alon, You asked if I graduated from medical school. You and I are well acquainted by now it would seem. We've even had exchanges off list. But since you have asked at one time or another on both lists, I'll respond to you on both lists. I transferred in my 3rd year of medical school to graduate school where, yes, I graduated ... I do not have an MD. I believe that was your issue. The first two years of Univ. of Texas medical school represented the didactic portion, and I loved it as a highly intense look at basic and medical sciences. Great to have so much information in one's head at one moment to translate and consolidate. I did well enough (the best in anatomy) to teach graduate human dissection and thereby rid myself of out of state tuition. Before attending med school I had studied and worked in biochem and molecular bio, so I was fascinated by the depth of my studies in human sciences. When I started to see clinical rotations, I was gravely disappointed by the disconnect between clinical science and basic science. The disharmony seemed fairly psychotic to me at brief times, and at nearly all moments seemed at least inappropriately out of step with each other. I didn't want to abide in such a disharmonious scenario as a life long career. So I transferred to graduate school during my 3rd year of medical school. I feel tremendous gratitute and indebtedness for the intensity of the training and the depth of information that has served me ever since in graduate school and now in teaching. No where else is there such intensely rigorous training in human sciences. One thing that prevented me from despairing about the WM clinical sciences was the fact that my primary care through undergraduate and medical school came from Chinese medicine. While I think and teach in the paradigm of Western sciences, I also see great value in the harmony of Chinese medicine as a clinical science. Curiously, I find CM actually harmonizes better with my knowledge of Western science than does WM. But then that may just be me. Beauty and harmony may be mostly in the eye of the beholder. I trust that answers your question. All the Best, Emmanuel Segmen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 I do not have an MD. I believe that was your issue. >>>No issue just curious alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 The first two years of Univ. of Texas medical school represented the didactic portion >>>Were did you do the last 2 years and internship. I assume you did not do a residency? alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 I do not have an MD >>>oops i did not see the not thanks alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 When I started to see clinical rotations, I was gravely disappointed by the disconnect between clinical science and basic science >>>Well by third year its about what the drug companies are teaching not basic science applications alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 I had just been to medical school in Texas and moved on to graduate school in molecular biology and physiology in 1989 >>Did you graduate med school? alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Alon, You asked if I graduated from medical school. You and I are well acquainted by now it would seem. We've even had exchanges off list. But since you have asked at one time or another on both lists, I'll respond to you on both lists. I transferred in my 3rd year of medical school to graduate school where, yes, I graduated ... I do not have an MD. I believe that was your issue. The first two years of Univ. of Texas medical school represented the didactic portion, and I loved it as a highly intense look at basic and medical sciences. Great to have so much information in one's head at one moment to translate and consolidate. I did well enough (the best in anatomy) to teach graduate human dissection and thereby rid myself of out of state tuition. Before attending med school I had studied and worked in biochem and molecular bio, so I was fascinated by the depth of my studies in human sciences. When I started to see clinical rotations, I was gravely disappointed by the disconnect between clinical science and basic science. The disharmony seemed fairly psychotic to me at brief times, and at nearly all moments seemed at least inappropriately out of step with each other. I didn't want to abide in such a disharmonious scenario as a life long career. So I transferred to graduate school during my 3rd year of medical school. I feel tremendous gratitute and indebtedness for the intensity of the training and the depth of information that has served me ever since in graduate school and now in teaching. No where else is there such intensely rigorous training in human sciences. One thing that prevented me from despairing about the WM clinical sciences was the fact that my primary care through undergraduate and medical school came from Chinese medicine. While I think and teach in the paradigm of Western sciences, I also see great value in the harmony of Chinese medicine as a clinical science. Curiously, I find CM actually harmonizes better with my knowledge of Western science than does WM. But then that may just be me. Beauty and harmony may be mostly in the eye of the beholder. I trust that answers your question. All the Best, Emmanuel Segmen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
