Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2004 I buy 2 oz. and 4 oz. amber dropper bottles. This place is pretty inexpensive and the droppers come with the bottles. No minimum. Specialty Bottle - Glass & Plastic Bottles, Jars, Vials, Tins, Other Containers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2004 For containers, go to: http://www.essentialsupplies.com This is where I purchase my bottles and jars. -- In herbal remedies , " Beth Weber " <appalachianheritage@n...> wrote: > Hello all! I joined this list a few weeks ago and haven't had time to > introduce myself yet. Sorry to be so remiss! > > I am a soapmaker that has branched out into salves, liniments, and > other herbal remedies for the skin. I am a student of Appalachian > culture, specifically the herbal remedies of the past. I'm currently > trying to learn to identify the native herbs around me. I've learned > plantian, chickweed, mullein, mint, and jewelweed. I'm hoping to soon > find St. John's Wort and pennyroyal. > > I joined this list hoping to learn from those you who make your own > preparations. I hope to learn how to properly infuse my herbs, dry > them, and store them. And which manner is best for which herb. I > would also love to learn which herbal combination is best for which > complaint, etc. > > I have a recipe passed down in my family for liniment that I'm > preparing to add to my product list. I'm struggling to find an > appropriate bottle to put it in. Do any of you make liniments and how > do you bottle them? > > Thanks in advance for all your help, I hope I can share my limited > knowledge with all of you. > > Blessings, > Beth in OH > Appalachian Heritage Soaps & Sundries Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2004 if you go to the website listed below, they have these wonderful little glass spray bottles that I keep in my purse, one with an anti itch spray for the mosquitos or possible poison ivy and one with a lavendar water spray , they are listed under their new products and are terrific. However, I have found that the prices at www.specialtybottle.com for tincture bottles are better. Bonnie Rogers - tempo33x herbal remedies Monday, July 26, 2004 8:58 PM Herbal Remedies - Re: New Member For containers, go to: http://www.essentialsupplies.com This is where I purchase my bottles and jars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 17, 2004 Hello Hans ~ Glad to have you with us. I hope you continue to feel better. Happily, flaxseed is dirt cheap and so is cottage cheese. All you need now is a coffee grinder! Catherine - Hans-Juergen Reese Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:22 PM new member hi, i just joined this group today, and have been going thru the archives. i'd like to say that just in the short time i've been a part of this group, i've found so much helpful information. i was diagnosed with fibromyalgia-cfs, and have depression. i avoid regular rx meds because i've had so many negative effects as a result of them. i've been put on many anti-depressants, and painkillers only to wind up feeling worse. natural medicines-herbs, naturopathy, homeopathy, etc. is something i've been interested in for about 2 years now. i'm 24 and live in eastern pa, by the way. when i recently visited my dr. the best thing he has done for me was to do osteopathic manipulation on my entire spine. that was better than all the painkillers and antidepressants i've been put on combined. it released all the pent up endorphins in my body and this was on the 12th. my friend who was with me said i looked like i was in nirvana. the one thing that saddens me is that medical assistance (i'm on the welfare program till i get disability/ssi) is that they refuse to pay for any treatments like herbs, vitamins, and other naturopathic and homeopathic treatments for my body. that just irks me. torpedo los! herr kaleun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 17, 2004 hi, so i would grind up the flaxseed and mix with the cottage cheese? i must be missing something somewhere here...lol. torpedo los! herr kaleun -hans -- In , " Catherine Coy " <catherinecoy@c...> wrote: > Hello Hans ~ > > Glad to have you with us. I hope you continue to feel better. Happily, flaxseed is dirt cheap and so is cottage cheese. All you need now is a coffee grinder! > > Catherine > > - > Hans-Juergen Reese > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:22 PM > new member > > > hi, > > i just joined this group today, and have been going thru the > archives. i'd like to say that just in the short time i've been a > part of this group, i've found so much helpful information. > > i was diagnosed with fibromyalgia-cfs, and have depression. > > i avoid regular rx meds because i've had so many negative effects as > a result of them. i've been put on many anti-depressants, and > painkillers only to wind up feeling worse. > > natural medicines-herbs, naturopathy, homeopathy, etc. is something > i've been interested in for about 2 years now. > > i'm 24 and live in eastern pa, by the way. > > when i recently visited my dr. the best thing he has done for me was > to do osteopathic manipulation on my entire spine. that was better > than all the painkillers and antidepressants i've been put on > combined. it released all the pent up endorphins in my body and > this was on the 12th. my friend who was with me said i looked like > i was in nirvana. > > the one thing that saddens me is that medical assistance (i'm on the > welfare program till i get disability/ssi) is that they refuse to > pay for any treatments like herbs, vitamins, and other naturopathic > and homeopathic treatments for my body. > > that just irks me. > > torpedo los! > > herr kaleun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 17, 2004 Hans wonders: " so i would grind up the flaxseed and mix with the cottage cheese? " Yup...you grind the flaxseed and then add it to the cottage cheese. Easy peasy. Cheers! - Hans-Juergen Reese Tuesday, August 17, 2004 1:20 PM Re: new member hi, so i would grind up the flaxseed and mix with the cottage cheese? i must be missing something somewhere here...lol. torpedo los! herr kaleun -hans -- In , " Catherine Coy " <catherinecoy@c...> wrote: > Hello Hans ~ > > Glad to have you with us. I hope you continue to feel better. Happily, flaxseed is dirt cheap and so is cottage cheese. All you need now is a coffee grinder! > > Catherine > > - > Hans-Juergen Reese > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:22 PM > new member > > > hi, > > i just joined this group today, and have been going thru the > archives. i'd like to say that just in the short time i've been a > part of this group, i've found so much helpful information. > > i was diagnosed with fibromyalgia-cfs, and have depression. > > i avoid regular rx meds because i've had so many negative effects as > a result of them. i've been put on many anti-depressants, and > painkillers only to wind up feeling worse. > > natural medicines-herbs, naturopathy, homeopathy, etc. is something > i've been interested in for about 2 years now. > > i'm 24 and live in eastern pa, by the way. > > when i recently visited my dr. the best thing he has done for me was > to do osteopathic manipulation on my entire spine. that was better > than all the painkillers and antidepressants i've been put on > combined. it released all the pent up endorphins in my body and > this was on the 12th. my friend who was with me said i looked like > i was in nirvana. > > the one thing that saddens me is that medical assistance (i'm on the > welfare program till i get disability/ssi) is that they refuse to > pay for any treatments like herbs, vitamins, and other naturopathic > and homeopathic treatments for my body. > > that just irks me. > > torpedo los! > > herr kaleun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 18, 2004 cool! thanks for the tip! torpedo los! herr kaleun , " Catherine Coy " <catherinecoy@c...> wrote: > Hans wonders: " so i would grind up the flaxseed and mix with the cottage cheese? " > > Yup...you grind the flaxseed and then add it to the cottage cheese. Easy peasy. > > Cheers! > > > > - > Hans-Juergen Reese > > Tuesday, August 17, 2004 1:20 PM > Re: new member > > > hi, > > so i would grind up the flaxseed and mix with the cottage cheese? > > i must be missing something somewhere here...lol. > > torpedo los! > > herr kaleun -hans > > -- In , " Catherine Coy " > <catherinecoy@c...> wrote: > > Hello Hans ~ > > > > Glad to have you with us. I hope you continue to feel better. > Happily, flaxseed is dirt cheap and so is cottage cheese. All you > need now is a coffee grinder! > > > > Catherine > > > > - > > Hans-Juergen Reese > > > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:22 PM > > new member > > > > > > hi, > > > > i just joined this group today, and have been going thru the > > archives. i'd like to say that just in the short time i've been > a > > part of this group, i've found so much helpful information. > > > > i was diagnosed with fibromyalgia-cfs, and have depression. > > > > i avoid regular rx meds because i've had so many negative > effects as > > a result of them. i've been put on many anti-depressants, and > > painkillers only to wind up feeling worse. > > > > natural medicines-herbs, naturopathy, homeopathy, etc. is > something > > i've been interested in for about 2 years now. > > > > i'm 24 and live in eastern pa, by the way. > > > > when i recently visited my dr. the best thing he has done for me > was > > to do osteopathic manipulation on my entire spine. that was > better > > than all the painkillers and antidepressants i've been put on > > combined. it released all the pent up endorphins in my body and > > this was on the 12th. my friend who was with me said i looked > like > > i was in nirvana. > > > > the one thing that saddens me is that medical assistance (i'm on > the > > welfare program till i get disability/ssi) is that they refuse > to > > pay for any treatments like herbs, vitamins, and other > naturopathic > > and homeopathic treatments for my body. > > > > that just irks me. > > > > torpedo los! > > > > herr kaleun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Now, Herr Kaleun, you've just got to tell us--what does " torpedo los " mean? - Hans-Juergen Reese Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:24 PM Re: new member cool! thanks for the tip! torpedo los! herr kaleun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 18, 2004 There's only one problem. Cottage cheese isn't good for you; " any " cottage cheese isn't good for you. The Hygienic Doctor, that I used to go to see, who followed a naturopathic system, that emphasized the eating of whole, natural foods, considered cottage cheese an abomination. It tastes great, but will make you sick, as surely as red meat, chicken and other such foods will. - " Hans-Juergen Reese " <herrkaleunu96 Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:24 PM Re: new member > cool! > > thanks for the tip! > > torpedo los! > > herr kaleun > > , " Catherine Coy " > <catherinecoy@c...> wrote: > > Hans wonders: " so i would grind up the flaxseed and mix with the > cottage cheese? " > > > > Yup...you grind the flaxseed and then add it to the cottage > cheese. Easy peasy. > > > > Cheers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 18, 2004 In what way is CC an " abomination " and will " make you sick? " - John Polifronio Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:16 PM Re: Re: new member There's only one problem. Cottage cheese isn't good for you; " any " cottage cheese isn't good for you. The Hygienic Doctor, that I used to go to see, who followed a naturopathic system, that emphasized the eating of whole, natural foods, considered cottage cheese an abomination. It tastes great, but will make you sick, as surely as red meat, chicken and other such foods will. - " Hans-Juergen Reese " <herrkaleunu96 Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:24 PM Re: new member > cool! > > thanks for the tip! > > torpedo los! > > herr kaleun > > , " Catherine Coy " > <catherinecoy@c...> wrote: > > Hans wonders: " so i would grind up the flaxseed and mix with the > cottage cheese? " > > > > Yup...you grind the flaxseed and then add it to the cottage > cheese. Easy peasy. > > > > Cheers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 18, 2004 I've sent you this piece, which, ironically, just came into my mailbox, at about the same time you sent your post to me, asking me why I would stay away from dairy. The piece doesn't specifically mention CC, but I doubt that it makes any difference, since it's derived from milk, and is all dairy. There is an enormous amount of literature that strongly advises people to stay away from dairy products. JP Milk & Prostate Cancer: The Evidence Mounts Aug 17, 2003 15:53 PDT by Neal D. Barnard, M.D. Could milk cause prostate cancer? This question has come up repeatedly in recent months, as billboards portraying New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani with a milk mustache carried the words, " Got Prostate Cancer? " The outraged mayor countered that milk had nothing to do with his newly diagnosed disease, which also killed his father. For the public, this was completely new territory. Does drinking milk actually contribute to cancer? Here are the facts: Major studies suggesting a link between milk and prostate cancer have appeared in medical journals since the 1970s. Two of six cohort studies (research studies following groups of people over time) found increased risk with higher milk intakes. Five studies comparing cancer patients to healthy individuals found a similar association. One of these, conducted in northern Italy,found that frequent dairy consumption could increase risk by two and one-half times. In 1997, the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Institute for Cancer Research concluded that dairy products should be considered a possible contributor to prostate cancer. And yet another research study came out in April 2000 pointing to a link between dairy and prostate cancer: Harvard's Physicians' Health Study followed 20,885 men for 11 years, finding that having two and one-half dairy servings each day boosted prostate cancer risk by 34 percent, compared to having less than one-half serving daily. A Smoking Gun? Researchers are looking, not only at whether milk increases cancer risk, but how. The answer, apparently, is in the way milk affects a man's hormones. Dairy products boost the amount of insulin-like growth factor (IGF- I) in the blood. In turn, IGF-I promotes cancer cell growth.3-5 A small amount is normally in the bloodstream, but several recent studies have linked increased IGF-I levels to prostate cancer and possibly to breast cancer as well. Milk does other mischief. The load of 'excess' calcium *depletes* vitamin D, which, in turn, may add to cancer risk. Most dairy products are also high in fat, which affects the activity of sex hormones. Hormones play a major role in cancer. And it would come as no surprise that milk might affect the growth of cancer cells. After all, milk's biological purpose is to support rapid growth in all parts of a calf's body. After the age of weaning, calves (like all mammals) have no need for milk at all, and there is never a need to drink the milk of another species. Researchers are investigating whether dairy products might be culprits in other disease. Ovarian cancer, in particular, may be linked to galactose, a sugar produced from the milk sugar lactose. Yogurt, cheese, " lactose-free " milk, and other dairy products contain substantial amounts of galactose. Other parts of the diet affect cancer risk, too. Meat and fatty foods in general are implicated in increased risk, while organic tomatoes, watermelons, and other bright red fruits contain lycopene which reduces cancer risk. The bottom line: While researchers will study the causes of cancer for years to come, health-conscious families may well want to trade dairy for a more healthy diet rich in organic vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and legumes. When to make the switch? Evidence suggests that the earlier in life healthy diet habits begin, the better your protection. What?! Does Everything Cause Cancer? As a matter of fact, no. Whole grains, beans and other legumes, vegetables, and fruits are cancer fighters. Plant foods are low in fat, high in fiber, and loaded with protective cancer-fighting nutrients. However dairy foods are linked to several forms of the disease. They contain plenty of fat to harbor cancer-causing chemicals and to drive up the levels of cancer-promoting hormones in your body. They have no fiber that would normally sweep carcinogens from your digestive tract and are low in cancer-fighting antioxidants. And under normal cooking temperatures, the creatine, amino acids, and natural sugars in meat can actually turn into cancer-causing chemicals. A cancer-prevention diet includes plenty of: Vegetables: carrots, broccoli, spinach, asparagus Fruits: strawberries, kiwi, melon, bananas, apples Whole grains: oatmeal, rice, spelt Legumes: beans, peas, lentils, legumes The most healthful diets eliminate red meats, dairy products, and fried foods. To make the transition easy, you may wish to use rice milk, almond milk or organic soymilk. www.edenfoods.com --- References 1. World Cancer Research Fund/American Institute for Cancer Research. Food, Nutrition, and the Prevention of Cancer: A Global Perspective. American Institute for Cancer Research, Washington, D.C., 1997, p. 322. 2. Chan JM, Stampfer MJ, Ma J, Ajani U, Gaziano JM, Giovannucci E. Dairy products, calcium, and prostate cancer risk in the Physicians' Health Study. Presentation, American Association for Cancer Research, San Francisco, April 2000. 3. Cohen P. Serum insulin-like growth factor-I levels and prostate cancer risk-interpreting the evidence. J Natl Cancer Inst 1998;90:876-9. 4. Cadogan J, Eastell R, Jones N, Barker ME. Milk intake and bone mineral acquisition in adolescent girls: randomised, controlled intervention trial. BMJ 1997;315:1255-60. 5. Heaney RP, McCarron DA, Dawson-Hughes B, et al. Dietary changes favorably affect bone remodeling in older adults. J Am Dietetic Asso 1999;99:1228-33. www.notmilk.com _________________ - " Catherine Coy " <catherinecoy Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:29 PM Re: Re: new member > > In what way is CC an " abomination " and will " make you sick? " > > - > John Polifronio > > Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:16 PM > Re: Re: new member > > > There's only one problem. Cottage cheese isn't good for you; " any " cottage > cheese isn't good for you. The Hygienic Doctor, that I used to go to see, > who followed a naturopathic system, that emphasized the eating of whole, > natural foods, considered cottage cheese an abomination. > It tastes great, but will make you sick, as surely as red meat, chicken and > other such foods will. > > - > " Hans-Juergen Reese " <herrkaleunu96 > > Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:24 PM > Re: new member > > > > cool! > > > > thanks for the tip! > > > > torpedo los! > > > > herr kaleun > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Hmmm...this is interesting because the Budwig Protocol calls for cottage cheese and has been shown to be particularly effective against prostate cancer (at least that's what most of the testimonials at flaxseedoil2 discussion board are about). - John Polifronio Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:39 PM Re: Re: new member I've sent you this piece, which, ironically, just came into my mailbox, at about the same time you sent your post to me, asking me why I would stay away from dairy. The piece doesn't specifically mention CC, but I doubt that it makes any difference, since it's derived from milk, and is all dairy. There is an enormous amount of literature that strongly advises people to stay away from dairy products. JP Milk & Prostate Cancer: The Evidence Mounts Aug 17, 2003 15:53 PDT by Neal D. Barnard, M.D. Could milk cause prostate cancer? This question has come up repeatedly in recent months, as billboards portraying New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani with a milk mustache carried the words, " Got Prostate Cancer? " The outraged mayor countered that milk had nothing to do with his newly diagnosed disease, which also killed his father. For the public, this was completely new territory. Does drinking milk actually contribute to cancer? Here are the facts: Major studies suggesting a link between milk and prostate cancer have appeared in medical journals since the 1970s. Two of six cohort studies (research studies following groups of people over time) found increased risk with higher milk intakes. Five studies comparing cancer patients to healthy individuals found a similar association. One of these, conducted in northern Italy,found that frequent dairy consumption could increase risk by two and one-half times. In 1997, the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Institute for Cancer Research concluded that dairy products should be considered a possible contributor to prostate cancer. And yet another research study came out in April 2000 pointing to a link between dairy and prostate cancer: Harvard's Physicians' Health Study followed 20,885 men for 11 years, finding that having two and one-half dairy servings each day boosted prostate cancer risk by 34 percent, compared to having less than one-half serving daily. A Smoking Gun? Researchers are looking, not only at whether milk increases cancer risk, but how. The answer, apparently, is in the way milk affects a man's hormones. Dairy products boost the amount of insulin-like growth factor (IGF- I) in the blood. In turn, IGF-I promotes cancer cell growth.3-5 A small amount is normally in the bloodstream, but several recent studies have linked increased IGF-I levels to prostate cancer and possibly to breast cancer as well. Milk does other mischief. The load of 'excess' calcium *depletes* vitamin D, which, in turn, may add to cancer risk. Most dairy products are also high in fat, which affects the activity of sex hormones. Hormones play a major role in cancer. And it would come as no surprise that milk might affect the growth of cancer cells. After all, milk's biological purpose is to support rapid growth in all parts of a calf's body. After the age of weaning, calves (like all mammals) have no need for milk at all, and there is never a need to drink the milk of another species. Researchers are investigating whether dairy products might be culprits in other disease. Ovarian cancer, in particular, may be linked to galactose, a sugar produced from the milk sugar lactose. Yogurt, cheese, " lactose-free " milk, and other dairy products contain substantial amounts of galactose. Other parts of the diet affect cancer risk, too. Meat and fatty foods in general are implicated in increased risk, while organic tomatoes, watermelons, and other bright red fruits contain lycopene which reduces cancer risk. The bottom line: While researchers will study the causes of cancer for years to come, health-conscious families may well want to trade dairy for a more healthy diet rich in organic vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and legumes. When to make the switch? Evidence suggests that the earlier in life healthy diet habits begin, the better your protection. What?! Does Everything Cause Cancer? As a matter of fact, no. Whole grains, beans and other legumes, vegetables, and fruits are cancer fighters. Plant foods are low in fat, high in fiber, and loaded with protective cancer-fighting nutrients. However dairy foods are linked to several forms of the disease. They contain plenty of fat to harbor cancer-causing chemicals and to drive up the levels of cancer-promoting hormones in your body. They have no fiber that would normally sweep carcinogens from your digestive tract and are low in cancer-fighting antioxidants. And under normal cooking temperatures, the creatine, amino acids, and natural sugars in meat can actually turn into cancer-causing chemicals. A cancer-prevention diet includes plenty of: Vegetables: carrots, broccoli, spinach, asparagus Fruits: strawberries, kiwi, melon, bananas, apples Whole grains: oatmeal, rice, spelt Legumes: beans, peas, lentils, legumes The most healthful diets eliminate red meats, dairy products, and fried foods. To make the transition easy, you may wish to use rice milk, almond milk or organic soymilk. www.edenfoods.com --- References 1. World Cancer Research Fund/American Institute for Cancer Research. Food, Nutrition, and the Prevention of Cancer: A Global Perspective. American Institute for Cancer Research, Washington, D.C., 1997, p. 322. 2. Chan JM, Stampfer MJ, Ma J, Ajani U, Gaziano JM, Giovannucci E. Dairy products, calcium, and prostate cancer risk in the Physicians' Health Study. Presentation, American Association for Cancer Research, San Francisco, April 2000. 3. Cohen P. Serum insulin-like growth factor-I levels and prostate cancer risk-interpreting the evidence. J Natl Cancer Inst 1998;90:876-9. 4. Cadogan J, Eastell R, Jones N, Barker ME. Milk intake and bone mineral acquisition in adolescent girls: randomised, controlled intervention trial. BMJ 1997;315:1255-60. 5. Heaney RP, McCarron DA, Dawson-Hughes B, et al. Dietary changes favorably affect bone remodeling in older adults. J Am Dietetic Asso 1999;99:1228-33. www.notmilk.com _________________ - " Catherine Coy " <catherinecoy Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:29 PM Re: Re: new member > > In what way is CC an " abomination " and will " make you sick? " > > - > John Polifronio > > Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:16 PM > Re: Re: new member > > > There's only one problem. Cottage cheese isn't good for you; " any " cottage > cheese isn't good for you. The Hygienic Doctor, that I used to go to see, > who followed a naturopathic system, that emphasized the eating of whole, > natural foods, considered cottage cheese an abomination. > It tastes great, but will make you sick, as surely as red meat, chicken and > other such foods will. > > - > " Hans-Juergen Reese " <herrkaleunu96 > > Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:24 PM > Re: new member > > > > cool! > > > > thanks for the tip! > > > > torpedo los! > > > > herr kaleun > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Yes, I know the flaxseedoil groups 1 & 2, and was a member for a while. I've also read the Budwig book. But I've also read Udo Erasmus, who is a researcher that has developed an entire line of hi Omega 3 flax and other oils, Om 6, etc. He was asked about the combination of CC and flaxoil. His view was completely at odds with the Budwig notion. He thought that CC was not necessary for flax-oil to have it's powerful effects on human health. I don't know what to believe. But when I don't know what to believe, I don't succumb to faith or blind belief, I simply remain unconvinced; a frame of mind most people cannot endure. We all want to believe we've found the " holy grail " of medicine, and the conquest of cancer. My dad died of colon cancer, and, as I approach my 70th year, more and more of my friends and acquaintances are becoming victims of cancer; so I'd be overjoyed if I could find a solution to this mystery. But I remain unconvinced of the necessity of using CC to produce the effects sought by people that " believe " in Budwig. When I read the Budwig book, it appeared to me that theorizing she did that led her to this notion seemed sketchy and weak. I'm prepared to review the " testimonials " you're talking about. But I don't see how they'll demonstrate the necessity of CC, inasmuch as Budwig's dietary regimen called for a number of often bizarre foods and nutritional notions. Keep in mind, that there are dozens of completely coherent systems of alternative medicine, that claim to have " proof " of, and can give you " testimonials " demonstrating, an ability to cure cancer. JP - " Catherine Coy " <catherinecoy Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:28 AM Re: Re: new member > Hmmm...this is interesting because the Budwig Protocol calls for cottage cheese and has been shown to be particularly effective against prostate cancer (at least that's what most of the testimonials at flaxseedoil2 discussion board are about). > > > - > John Polifronio > > Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:39 PM > Re: Re: new member > > > I've sent you this piece, which, ironically, just came into my mailbox, at > about the same time you sent your post to me, asking me why I would stay > away from dairy. The piece doesn't specifically mention CC, but I doubt > that it makes any difference, since it's derived from milk, and is all > dairy. There is an enormous amount of literature that strongly advises > people to stay away from dairy products. > JP > > > Milk & Prostate Cancer: The Evidence Mounts > Aug 17, 2003 15:53 PDT > > by Neal D. Barnard, M.D. > > Could milk cause prostate cancer? This question has come up > repeatedly in recent months, as billboards > portraying New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani > with a milk mustache carried the words, " Got Prostate Cancer? " > > The outraged mayor countered that milk had nothing to do with his > newly diagnosed disease, which also killed his father. > For the public, this was completely new territory. > > Does drinking milk actually contribute to cancer? > Here are the facts: > > Major studies suggesting a link between milk > and prostate cancer have appeared in medical journals since the > 1970s. > > Two of six cohort studies (research studies following groups of > people over time) found increased risk with higher milk intakes. > > Five studies comparing cancer patients to healthy individuals found > a similar association. > One of these, conducted in northern Italy,found that frequent dairy > consumption could increase risk by two and one-half times. > > In 1997, the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Institute > for Cancer Research concluded that dairy products should be > considered a possible contributor to prostate cancer. > > And yet another research study came out in April 2000 > pointing to a link between dairy and prostate cancer: > > Harvard's Physicians' Health Study followed 20,885 men > for 11 years, finding that having two and one-half dairy > servings each day boosted prostate cancer risk by 34 percent, > compared to having less than one-half serving daily. > > A Smoking Gun? > > Researchers are looking, not only at whether milk increases cancer > risk, but how. > > The answer, apparently, is in the way milk affects a man's hormones. > Dairy products boost the amount of insulin-like growth factor (IGF- > I) in the blood. > > In turn, IGF-I promotes cancer cell growth.3-5 A small amount is > normally in the bloodstream, but several recent studies have linked > increased IGF-I levels to prostate cancer and possibly to breast > cancer as well. > > Milk does other mischief. > The load of 'excess' calcium *depletes* vitamin D, which, in turn, > may add to cancer risk. > Most dairy products are also high in fat, which affects the activity > of sex hormones. Hormones play a major role in cancer. > > And it would come as no surprise that milk might affect the growth > of cancer cells. After all, milk's biological purpose is to support > rapid growth in all parts of a calf's body. After the age of > weaning, calves (like all mammals) have no need for > milk at all, and there is never a need to drink the milk of another > species. > > Researchers are investigating whether dairy products might be > culprits in other disease. > Ovarian cancer, in particular, may be linked to galactose, a sugar > produced from the milk sugar lactose. > > Yogurt, cheese, " lactose-free " milk, and other dairy products > contain substantial amounts of galactose. > > Other parts of the diet affect cancer risk, too. > Meat and fatty foods in general are implicated in increased risk, > while organic tomatoes, watermelons, and other bright red fruits > contain lycopene which reduces cancer risk. > > The bottom line: > > While researchers will study the causes of cancer for years to come, > health-conscious families may well want to trade dairy for a more > healthy diet rich in organic vegetables, fruits, whole > grains, and legumes. > > When to make the switch? Evidence suggests that the earlier in life > healthy diet habits begin, the better your protection. > > What?! Does Everything Cause Cancer? > As a matter of fact, no. > > Whole grains, beans and other legumes, vegetables, and fruits are > cancer fighters. Plant foods are low in fat, high in fiber, and > loaded with protective cancer-fighting nutrients. > > However dairy foods are linked to several forms of the disease. They > contain plenty of fat to harbor cancer-causing chemicals and to > drive up the levels of cancer-promoting hormones in your body. > > They have no fiber that would normally sweep carcinogens from your > digestive tract and are low in cancer-fighting antioxidants. > > And under normal cooking temperatures, the creatine, amino acids, > and natural sugars in meat can actually turn into cancer-causing > chemicals. > > A cancer-prevention diet includes plenty of: > Vegetables: carrots, broccoli, spinach, asparagus > > Fruits: strawberries, kiwi, melon, bananas, apples > > Whole grains: oatmeal, rice, spelt > > Legumes: beans, peas, lentils, legumes > > The most healthful diets eliminate red meats, dairy products, and > fried foods. To make the transition easy, you may wish to use rice > milk, almond milk or organic soymilk. > www.edenfoods.com > --- > References > 1. World Cancer Research Fund/American Institute for Cancer > Research. > Food, Nutrition, and the Prevention of Cancer: A Global Perspective. > American Institute for Cancer Research, Washington, D.C., 1997, p. > 322. > 2. Chan JM, Stampfer MJ, Ma J, Ajani U, Gaziano JM, Giovannucci E. > Dairy products, calcium, and prostate cancer risk in the Physicians' > Health > Study. Presentation, American Association for Cancer Research, San > Francisco, April 2000. > 3. Cohen P. Serum insulin-like growth factor-I levels and prostate > cancer risk-interpreting the evidence. J Natl Cancer Inst > 1998;90:876-9. > > > 4. Cadogan J, Eastell R, Jones N, Barker ME. Milk intake and bone > mineral acquisition in adolescent girls: randomised, controlled > intervention trial. BMJ 1997;315:1255-60. > 5. Heaney RP, McCarron DA, Dawson-Hughes B, et al. Dietary changes > favorably affect bone remodeling in older adults. J Am Dietetic Asso > 1999;99:1228-33. > > www.notmilk.com > _________________ > > - > " Catherine Coy " <catherinecoy > > Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:29 PM > Re: Re: new member > > > > > > In what way is CC an " abomination " and will " make you sick? " > > > > - > > John Polifronio > > > > Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:16 PM > > Re: Re: new member > > > > > > There's only one problem. Cottage cheese isn't good for you; " any " > cottage > > cheese isn't good for you. The Hygienic Doctor, that I used to go to > see, > > who followed a naturopathic system, that emphasized the eating of whole, > > natural foods, considered cottage cheese an abomination. > > It tastes great, but will make you sick, as surely as red meat, chicken > and > > other such foods will. > > > > - > > " Hans-Juergen Reese " <herrkaleunu96 > > > > Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:24 PM > > Re: new member > > > > > > > cool! > > > > > > thanks for the tip! > > > > > > torpedo los! > > > > > > herr kaleun > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Hi JP; regarding the " holy grail " of cancer or any other ailment or condition, i think that is an allopathy medicine goal. The key and beauty of alternative or holisttic medicine is that there tends not to be a holy grail but holy grails,plural. what will work for one needs at least` a tweek here and there for another or another. each person is unique, maybe in small very small ways but enough to make a difference. So if you go with this idea, both opinions could be right given different people `with the same category of illness such as the category of " colon cancer " . if you assume that all colon cancers are not equal or the exact same thing caused by the exact same thing(s) it gives you the freedom to tweek and fiddle around with the different possibilities AND the hope of a suitable answer of comfort and decent long life, not simply existence on horror drugs with horror side effects. imho. janet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 18, 2004 hi, it means literally translanted " relase torpedo! " there's a kriegsmarine march called torpedo los! three different versions of it, if i remember right, exist. i have one of the versions on my kriegsmarine cd. torpedo los! herr kaleun , " Catherine Coy " <catherinecoy@c...> wrote: > Now, Herr Kaleun, you've just got to tell us--what does " torpedo los " mean? > > > - > Hans-Juergen Reese > > Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:24 PM > Re: new member > > > cool! > > thanks for the tip! > > torpedo los! > > herr kaleun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 18, 2004 hi, i have a friend who has breast cancer. now both she and i feel she got it from HRT. and this, to me at least, is one instance where taking something like black cohosh or some other type of herb geared towards helping with menopause would have been better for her. cancer doesn't run in her family, and i just have a strong feeling it was HRT...so i tend to be wary of allopathic medicine in some instances... and then on the other side of the coin, we have allopathic medicine working on her in the form of chemo to undo the cancer that was caused by the HRT. call me a cynic, but seems like this situation is good business for the pharmeceutical companies. torpedo los! herr kaleun , az33377@w... wrote: > Hi JP; > > regarding the " holy grail " of cancer or any other ailment or condition, > i think that is an allopathy medicine goal. The key and beauty of > alternative or holisttic medicine is that there tends not to be a holy > grail but holy grails,plural. what will work for one needs at least` a > tweek here and there for another or another. each person is unique, > maybe in small very small ways but enough to make a difference. > > So if you go with this idea, both opinions could be right given > different people `with the same category of illness such as the category > of " colon cancer " . if you assume that all colon cancers are not equal or > the exact same thing caused by the exact same thing(s) it gives you the > freedom to tweek and fiddle around with the different possibilities AND > the hope of a suitable answer of comfort and decent long life, not > simply existence on horror drugs with horror side effects. imho. janet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Hans ~ I like it!! - Hans-Juergen Reese Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:04 AM Re: new member hi, it means literally translanted " relase torpedo! " there's a kriegsmarine march called torpedo los! three different versions of it, if i remember right, exist. i have one of the versions on my kriegsmarine cd. torpedo los! herr kaleun , " Catherine Coy " <catherinecoy@c...> wrote: > Now, Herr Kaleun, you've just got to tell us--what does " torpedo los " mean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 18, 2004 but seems like this situation is good business for the pharmeceutical companies. Duh. That's American for " what else is new? " - Hans-Juergen Reese Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:14 AM Re: new member hi, i have a friend who has breast cancer. now both she and i feel she got it from HRT. and this, to me at least, is one instance where taking something like black cohosh or some other type of herb geared towards helping with menopause would have been better for her. cancer doesn't run in her family, and i just have a strong feeling it was HRT...so i tend to be wary of allopathic medicine in some instances... and then on the other side of the coin, we have allopathic medicine working on her in the form of chemo to undo the cancer that was caused by the HRT. call me a cynic, but seems like this situation is good business for the pharmeceutical companies. torpedo los! herr kaleun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2004 aw, why thank you! i always like to imagine the torpedos being fired at ooh...those in gov't positions...social security perhaps...dingbats in welfare...and a few others. torpedo los! herr kaleun , " Catherine Coy " <catherinecoy@c...> wrote: > Hans ~ > > I like it!! > > - > Hans-Juergen Reese > > Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:04 AM > Re: new member > > > hi, > > it means literally translanted " relase torpedo! " > > there's a kriegsmarine march called torpedo los! three different > versions of it, if i remember right, exist. i have one of the > versions on my kriegsmarine cd. > > torpedo los! > > herr kaleun > > , " Catherine Coy " > <catherinecoy@c...> wrote: > > Now, Herr Kaleun, you've just got to tell us--what does " torpedo > los " mean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2004 hi, the question is...how can we undo all this other type of " conditioning " ? i've heard from others that have fibromyalgia- cfs that not only do they have that, they have other things on top...so how does one explain to them...uh, look. this toxic crap's not so good for you? that's what i'm wondering...because behind the scenes so to speak, i've been somewhat educating others the best i can about herbs that help me...and others that are listed that would help fms-cfs....yet, i know it's not enough. torpedo los! herr kaleun , " Catherine Coy " <catherinecoy@c...> wrote: > but seems like this situation is good business for > the pharmeceutical companies. > > Duh. > > That's American for " what else is new? " > > > - > Hans-Juergen Reese > > Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:14 AM > Re: new member > > > hi, > > i have a friend who has breast cancer. now both she and i feel she > got it from HRT. and this, to me at least, is one instance where > taking something like black cohosh or some other type of herb geared > towards helping with menopause would have been better for her. > cancer doesn't run in her family, and i just have a strong feeling > it was HRT...so i tend to be wary of allopathic medicine in some > instances... > > and then on the other side of the coin, we have allopathic medicine > working on her in the form of chemo to undo the cancer that was > caused by the HRT. > > call me a cynic, but seems like this situation is good business for > the pharmeceutical companies. > > torpedo los! > > herr kaleun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2004 Amen! - <az33377 Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:19 AM Re: Re: new member > Hi JP; > > regarding the " holy grail " of cancer or any other ailment or condition, > i think that is an allopathy medicine goal. The key and beauty of > alternative or holisttic medicine is that there tends not to be a holy > grail but holy grails,plural. what will work for one needs at least` a > tweek here and there for another or another. each person is unique, > maybe in small very small ways but enough to make a difference. > > So if you go with this idea, both opinions could be right given > different people `with the same category of illness such as the category > of " colon cancer " . if you assume that all colon cancers are not equal or > the exact same thing caused by the exact same thing(s) it gives you the > freedom to tweek and fiddle around with the different possibilities AND > the hope of a suitable answer of comfort and decent long life, not > simply existence on horror drugs with horror side effects. imho. janet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Hi Maggie, What's EO? Sounds interesting. Do you know any natural way to get rid of heel spurs? Hollymaggieblr <maggieblr wrote: Hi everyone, I just joined this group, and am so excited as to sharing what I know and learning lots more things. I don't even know where to start. I make salves, tinctures, and teas to use at home and share with friends. I also make gifts like bath salts, milk baths, sleeping herb bags and toys with herbs in it to help my grandchildren and their friends to help with nightmares and settling down at night. Even works with adults. I love sharing info with everyone who asks, so I can get long winded. And I have lots of books with info. I took the Rosemary Gladstar Art and Science correspondence course, and still am learning. I also fool around with EO and that can be a lot of fun. I have 2 grandsons that live with me, one is a red head with the temper and frustration that goes with it, and have learned to use EO to help him settle, and to focus better. I guess that is what working with herbal medicine and EO does, Makes for a better home. Blessing to all new friends, Maggie Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Welcome Maggie!! It's good to have you on the list! Best, Kelli | | maggieblr [maggieblr] | Wednesday, September 08, 2004 3:20 PM | herbal remedies | Herbal Remedies - new member | | | Hi everyone, | I just joined this group, and am so excited as to sharing what I | know and learning lots more things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 14, 2004 herbal remedies , Holly Van Tassel <peacefull762002> wrote: > Hi Maggie, > What's EO? Sounds interesting. Do you know any natural way to get rid of heel spurs? > Holly > > I am sorry, I don't know anything about heel spurs. However, my heels get dry and crack, split and bleed, making it difficult to walk. Is that something like that? EO is just an abbreviation for Essential Oils, it is just easier for me to shorten it up. Maggie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2004 Hi Sara, Welcome! There have been many threads on this group regarding arthritis. The things that I can recall off the top of my head are MSM and Panther Piss. (See the files for info on the PP.) Do a search of the archives for more info. In general, when you have various conditions like this, I would recommend the Total Body Cleanse. There's info in the files on that as well. I can make recommendations on diet changes and other things as well. Let me know if you're looking for that kind of info. Best, Kelli | | stressfreemom2006 [dit7272] | Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:12 AM | herbal remedies | Herbal Remedies - New member | | | | | Hey there everyone! My name is Sara and I am a recent new member to | the group so I thought I'd introduce myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
