Back pain

August 9, 2005

Results: After 3 years, 131 subjects were contacted, and 123 had repeat MRI. The

3-year incidence of pain was 67% (88 of 131). Depression had the largest hazard

ratio (2.3, 95% CI = 1.2-4.4) of any baseline predictor of inci-dent back pain.

Among baseline imaging findings, central spinal stenosis and nerve root contact

had the highest, though nonsignificant, hazard ratios. We did not find an

association between new LBP and type 1 endplate changes, disc degeneration,

annular tears, or facet degeneration. The incidence of new MRI findings was low,

with the most common new finding being disc signal loss in 11 (9%) subjects. All

five subjects with new disc extrusions and all four subjects with new nerve root

impingement had new pain.

Conclusion: Depression is an important predictor of new LBP, with MRI findings

likely less important. New imaging findings have a low incidence; disc

extrusions and nerve root contact may be the most important of these findings.

Introduction

Oakland, CA 94609

April 22, 2006

sounds like one of your muscles in giving you fits ...

i would go for a massage -- not a chiropractor !

gab

April 22, 2006

Hello! A couple things that may help, or be worth thinking about...Stretching helps my back pain a lot. In my case, it feels like back pain but is at least in part because of frequent Kidney issues (Frequent stones/infections in the right one only)... but the stretching, and drinking lots of water helps enormously!! Even if it is actual muscle strain, hydration makes a huge difference. I remember seeing some good back stretches listed in the files... might be worth checking it out. I don't know too much about Devil's Claw... but if it's the lower right, unless it's your hip, it's probably not joints... Guess it could somehow be connected to your spine, but then the chriopractor should have helped? Who knows... Anyway, just something to think about: maybe the pain is actually attributed to an organ rather than a joint or muscle? To try and determine this, maybe monitor not just physical activity but also your diet, how you lay when you sleep, and

what times of the day, week, month, etc it is at it's worst... Personal meditation, time for you, etc also works wonders, esp if there are stressful emotional situations near by...Hope this helps lead you to some relief! Blessings and Love Always ~Raavenhggn_jnn <jo131078 wrote: Hi can any one help! For a number of years I have suffer with pain in my lower back, more on my right side. i have visited a chiropractor but no different. Recently I read in a health magazine that taking Devils Claw supplements is very good for the joints. Please could some provide with me with more advice on the this supplement. Many thanks

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herbal remedies , " hggn_jnn " <jo131078

wrote:

>

> Hi can any one help!

>

> For a number of years I have suffer with pain in my lower back, more

> on my right side.

>

> i have visited a chiropractor but no different. Recently I read in a

> health magazine that taking Devils Claw supplements is very good for

> the joints.

>

> Please could some provide with me with more advice on the this

> supplement.

>

> Many thanks

>

Myself and a number of backpain sufferers among my friends have

received relief from a supplement called System Saver.Some massage

therapists, chiropractors and osteopaths are familiar with it.

April 23, 2006

It's probably not a joint issue. Your psoas ( " SOH-az " ) muscle is

probably in spasm/short-tight on the affected side. This muscle is a

major pelvic stabilizer and is involved in practically any movement.

It attaches on the lower vertebrae, and if the muscle is in spasm or

is otherwise short-tight, it will pull on its attachments on the

spinal vertebrae and will cause low back pain. I see (and solve) this

problem in MANY of my clients. See a good massage therapist who knows

how to work with psoas issues (in other words, NOT your local " Massage

Envy " lol). Chiropractic can help (at least with any vertebrae that

DO get pulled a bit too far to the affected side), but only if the

muscle problem is relieved also (otherwise the adjustment will

probably " undo " itself), since that muscle is almost 100% sure to be

the cause. If you have any further questions, feel free to contact

me. Hope that helps! Good luck getting better!

Blessings,

~Jyoti RMT, NMT

> hggn_jnn <jo131078 wrote: Hi can any one help!

>

> For a number of years I have suffer with pain in my lower back, more

> on my right side.

>

> i have visited a chiropractor but no different. Recently I read in a

> health magazine that taking Devils Claw supplements is very good for

> the joints.

>

> Please could some provide with me with more advice on the this

> supplement.

>

> Many thanks

September 27, 2006

oh um, I take two 100mg pills, well twice daily, sometimes a third

and I also have started taking this multi vitamin that has another 50mg

I actually found this works for back pain by mistake, lol

I started the niacin (B3), for the voices thing

being a clairaudient (hear voices) I sought another way

to deal with this and read vitamin B3 works and then

found it helps for the back as well, kind of like a bonus!!

Brian

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you decide ---- www.infowars.com

-

" Bugs "

Back pain

> What Mg did you take???

> bugs

November 20, 2006

f you can get access to a heated swimming pool, Get an innertube and just hang

with out touching the bottom of the pool. Then gradually ad milk cartons with

half water. Stand with feet slightly apart and bring them over your head, or as

high as you can.Do this five times. Then try to pull them under water.They move

them through the water from side to side. Not only will this help stretch out

the back muscle but it also works as a weight system. You can ad excersice to

your routine. Just go to water theraphy .com and see what excersice they have on

thier website.

DG

curtis_lloyd2002 <clloyd58 wrote:

anyone has a natural remedy for lower back pain?

November 20, 2006

If you've never been to a chiropractor GO! The chiropractor will ask you

questions and you let him/her know all of your problems from allergies to

hyaital hernia, they can help, naturally. Pick someone with whom you have a

good re' pore.

curtis_lloyd2002 <clloyd58 wrote:

anyone has a natural remedy for lower back pain?

" I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and

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In a message dated 11/20/2006 10:58:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,

clloyd58 writes:

>>anyone has a natural remedy for lower back pain<<

I've suffered from lower back pain for years. I've experimented with almost

everything. In my opinion, there is no herb for that. The only thing that

worked for me is strengthing the muscles in the back. I do with weights and

with yoga (stretching). Once my back is stronger the back pain is gone, and

I'm way way way more flexible. So, that is the best advice I can give you

and it doesn't involve a pill or some wild juice from another country. As

always start out slowly when using the weight machines at the gym. I think I

started out with 5 pounds and worked my way up. Hope this helps you.

Dawn

November 21, 2006

Hi Curtis !

Your problem can be successfully answered by homoeopathy, if you are

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, " curtis_lloyd2002 "

<clloyd58 wrote:

>

> anyone has a natural remedy for lower back pain?

>

My dad and my boyfriend have bad back problems. They both take a horse

supplement called Next Level-joint fluid. The relief they get from

taking this horse supplement keeps them from having back surgery.

November 21, 2006

First of all they does not require surgery.

I don't believe that supplement will work universally.

This is over exaggeration or a tricky advertisement.

R.Vidhyasagar.

--- palmtreeswinger <palmtreeswinger wrote:

> ,

> " curtis_lloyd2002 "

> <clloyd58 wrote:

> >

> > anyone has a natural remedy for lower back pain?

> >

> My dad and my boyfriend have bad back problems. They

> both take a horse

> supplement called Next Level-joint fluid. The relief

> they get from

> taking this horse supplement keeps them from having

> back surgery.

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NO-it is not a tricky advertisement, nor did I say it would work

universally. A supplement can do wonders for some people and zilch

for others. The trick is finding what works best for you. And yes,

the doctors did recommend surgery for both of them. The reason they

don't do the surgery is because they have talked to more people who

have NOT gotten any relief from back surgery. The horse supplement

gives them relief from the back pain. Many horse owners take it

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November 21, 2006

For lower back pain try calcium fluor a low potency.

Gunilla

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>Re: back pain

>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:05:05 EST

>

>In a message dated 11/20/2006 10:58:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>clloyd58 writes:

>

> >>anyone has a natural remedy for lower back pain<<

>

>I've suffered from lower back pain for years. I've experimented with

>almost

>everything. In my opinion, there is no herb for that. The only thing

>that

>worked for me is strengthing the muscles in the back. I do with weights

>and

>with yoga (stretching). Once my back is stronger the back pain is gone,

>and

>I'm way way way more flexible. So, that is the best advice I can give you

>and it doesn't involve a pill or some wild juice from another country. As

>always start out slowly when using the weight machines at the gym. I

>think I

>started out with 5 pounds and worked my way up. Hope this helps you.

>

>Dawn

>

November 21, 2006

Dr. Vidhyasagar: No supplement or presecription works universally -

I'm sure you would agree to that? What works for one may not work for

the other. That said - Bigeloil - a local Veterinary Aid DOES help

some people with relief from strained muscles,reduces swelling caused

by minor arthritis and treats sore knees,tendons and temporary

injuries. It has an antiseptic action. Interestingly - two of the

ingredients are capsicum tincture and juniperberry oil. Bag Balm is

another veterinary aid for pets and cows that also works for some

humans for chapped conditions and superfical abrasions.This has been

in use since 1899. Just an old country girl from Arizona,USA horse

country. Just can't beat those old home remedies. Helen.

, r vidhyasagar

<dr_vidhyasagar_54 wrote:

>

> First of all they does not require surgery.

> I don't believe that supplement will work universally.

> This is over exaggeration or a tricky advertisement.

> R.Vidhyasagar.

>

> --- palmtreeswinger <palmtreeswinger wrote:

>

> > ,

> > " curtis_lloyd2002 "

> > <clloyd58@> wrote:

> > >

> > > anyone has a natural remedy for lower back pain?

> > >

> > My dad and my boyfriend have bad back problems. They

> > both take a horse

> > supplement called Next Level-joint fluid. The relief

> > they get from

> > taking this horse supplement keeps them from having

> > back surgery.

> >

>

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Hey Helen! Another horse person here (from Michigan).

I can attest to Bigeloil and Bag Balm working well.

If you want a really great cut cream - use Pocket Healer from The Natural

Pet Vet. It's incredible on cuts of any time.

Keria

--On Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:58 AM +0000 helen_1947_slaughter

<helen_1947_slaughter wrote:

>

> Dr. Vidhyasagar: No supplement or presecription works universally -

> I'm sure you would agree to that? What works for one may not work for

> the other. That said - Bigeloil - a local Veterinary Aid DOES help

> some people with relief from strained muscles,reduces swelling caused

> by minor arthritis and treats sore knees,tendons and temporary

> injuries. It has an antiseptic action. Interestingly - two of the

> ingredients are capsicum tincture and juniperberry oil. Bag Balm is

> another veterinary aid for pets and cows that also works for some

> humans for chapped conditions and superfical abrasions.This has been

> in use since 1899. Just an old country girl from Arizona,USA horse

> country. Just can't beat those old home remedies. Helen.

>

> , r vidhyasagar

> <dr_vidhyasagar_54 wrote:

> >

> > First of all they does not require surgery.

> > I don't believe that supplement will work universally.

> > This is over exaggeration or a tricky advertisement.

> > R.Vidhyasagar.

> >

> > --- palmtreeswinger <palmtreeswinger wrote:

> >

> > > ,

> > > " curtis_lloyd2002 "

> > > <clloyd58@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > anyone has a natural remedy for lower back pain?

> > > >

> > > My dad and my boyfriend have bad back problems. They

> > > both take a horse

> > > supplement called Next Level-joint fluid. The relief

> > > they get from

> > > taking this horse supplement keeps them from having

> > > back surgery.

> > >

> >

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November 29, 2006

Hi, I read this in today. Not too sure if it might help you:

http://health./topic/back/prevention/article/healthwise/hw56623

Best Regards,

BK

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Keria Rossin <krossin wrote: