Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Hi everyone! I just joined about 1 minute ago. My name is Frazz and Im a 45 year old married mom who lives in California. Ive been diagnosed with Chondra Malecia Patella which is wearing and thinning of the knee cartilidge. The dr says next step is surgery. I was hoping yall had some ideas of things for me to try. Ive done the glocusamine condrointon, straight leg exercises, medicated pads, gelatin, fish oil, joint juice, cortisone shots and even Vicodin which I dont want to get addicted to. These are all things the dr and other people have suggested over the years. Anything else out there that I can try??? thanks Frazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 In a message dated 11/8/2006 7:33:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, frazzmomto4 writes: Hi everyone! I just joined about 1 minute ago. My name is Frazz and Im a 45 year old married mom who lives in California. Ive been diagnosed with Chondra Malecia Patella which is wearing and thinning of the knee cartilidge. The dr says next step is surgery. I was hoping yall had some ideas of things for me to try. Ive done the glocusamine condrointon, straight leg exercises, medicated pads, gelatin, fish oil, joint juice, cortisone shots and even Vicodin which I dont want to get addicted to. These are all things the dr and other people have suggested over the years. Anything else out there that I can try??? thanks Frazz Hi Frazz, We have a lot of knee problems in our family...some due to weight. My brother in law is an AC mechanic and is on them all the time. I ballroom dance, and right now I need to lose some weight! It is painful to both feet and knees to be dancing in heels, but if I lose about 10 lbs., a lot of the stress can be relieved. I occasionally take the glucosamine chondroitan (sp?). However, please try eating jello with cottage cheese and cherries (black ones) in the same meal. Also, when you eat chicken, eat a piece near the bone. The cartilege you consume is similar to that in your knees. (I swear that's true...I read it on the internet, ha).. The jello is animal, too (I won't go into it), and the cottage cheese (or yogurt) has the necessary calcium. If you add black cherries, it can help relieve the swelling and pain. My brother in law was complaining in a restaurant, and I hopped up to go to the salad bar for a large plate of the above ingredients. (He said, what is this for? I said, please eat it. It is good for your knees). The next day, I asked him how his knees where, and he said, hmmm, better! (I won't discount the prayer I said over the salad either.) I hope some of this helps, and welcome to the group!. God bless, Athena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 How about taking care of your legs by NOT wearing heels? Linda Bumpas Light Beam Expressions Web Design Services to Help Your Light Shine Linda " HeiressArts " <HeiressArts Wednesday, November 8, 2006 5:44:02 AM Re: help for my knees In a message dated 11/8/2006 7:33:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, frazzmomto4@ writes: Hi everyone! I just joined about 1 minute ago. My name is Frazz and Im a 45 year old married mom who lives in California. Ive been diagnosed with Chondra Malecia Patella which is wearing and thinning of the knee cartilidge. The dr says next step is surgery. I was hoping yall had some ideas of things for me to try. Ive done the glocusamine condrointon, straight leg exercises, medicated pads, gelatin, fish oil, joint juice, cortisone shots and even Vicodin which I dont want to get addicted to. These are all things the dr and other people have suggested over the years. Anything else out there that I can try??? thanks Frazz Hi Frazz, We have a lot of knee problems in our family...some due to weight. My brother in law is an AC mechanic and is on them all the time. I ballroom dance, and right now I need to lose some weight! It is painful to both feet and knees to be dancing in heels, but if I lose about 10 lbs., a lot of the stress can be relieved. I occasionally take the glucosamine chondroitan (sp?). However, please try eating jello with cottage cheese and cherries (black ones) in the same meal. Also, when you eat chicken, eat a piece near the bone. The cartilege you consume is similar to that in your knees. (I swear that's true...I read it on the internet, ha).. The jello is animal, too (I won't go into it), and the cottage cheese (or yogurt) has the necessary calcium. If you add black cherries, it can help relieve the swelling and pain. My brother in law was complaining in a restaurant, and I hopped up to go to the salad bar for a large plate of the above ingredients. (He said, what is this for? I said, please eat it. It is good for your knees). The next day, I asked him how his knees where, and he said, hmmm, better! (I won't discount the prayer I said over the salad either.) I hope some of this helps, and welcome to the group!. God bless, Athena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Hi Frazz, You wrote: Ive been diagnosed with Chondra Malecia Patella which is wearing and thinning of the knee cartilidge. The dr says next step is surgery. I was hoping yall had some ideas of things for me to try. Ive done the glocusamine condrointon, straight leg exercises, medicated pads, gelatin, fish oil, joint juice, cortisone shots Anything else out there that I can try??? thanks > I loved Athena's nutritional suggestions, but if you have already tried gelatin, I guess that won't do it. What is your overall nutrition like? Lots of vitamin C? Sources of minerals? Silica? All are needed to make more cartiledge. Here is a dilemma. I have this stuff in my " store " that has been absolutely miraculous for some knees, and doesn't do a thing for others. I won't offend this board with a list of success stories, knowing full well that there were also cases where it didn't work. There is only one way to find out which group you are in. Try some. At least there are no side effects except positive ones, like less inflammation in the body. The nice thing about those much-maligned direct- sales companies is that most of them have good money-back garantees. In this case, a full year. If you'd like to email me off list, put " knees " in the subject line, and I'll send you some more details. No sales pitches, no pressure. ienvan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I hate to say that I have the exact same thing. Mine started when I was in my late teens of all times and has done nothing but go down hill since. My problem, and don't know if yours does the same thing, but because of the lack of cartilage, my kneecaps dislocate extremely easily, so I had to be put into braces for my knees. At 21 I had my first knee surgery which was a partial and now I have been told that that knee needs a total as well as my other knee. I am only 33 and it is very hard to deal with esp if you have kids. I hate to say that I have tried everything there is out there. Have gone to all sorts of people for this and it all comes down to is that if your cartilage is gone it is gone, it cannot regenerate itself. They have told me that I have 2 choices. Live in my braces or do the surgery. Well at my age, they said that it is only good for 10 yrs like my last surgery and I will be left with a really huge scar. Being me, I am going to wait and wait until I see them do it with the laser! I wish you the best, I know it is hard when you hear that you have to have the operation. Good luck. Glade Ieneke van Houten <ienvan wrote: Hi Frazz, You wrote: Ive been diagnosed with Chondra Malecia Patella which is wearing and thinning of the knee cartilidge. The dr says next step is surgery. I was hoping yall had some ideas of things for me to try. Ive done the glocusamine condrointon, straight leg exercises, medicated pads, gelatin, fish oil, joint juice, cortisone shots Anything else out there that I can try??? thanks > I loved Athena's nutritional suggestions, but if you have already tried gelatin, I guess that won't do it. What is your overall nutrition like? Lots of vitamin C? Sources of minerals? Silica? All are needed to make more cartiledge. Here is a dilemma. I have this stuff in my " store " that has been absolutely miraculous for some knees, and doesn't do a thing for others. I won't offend this board with a list of success stories, knowing full well that there were also cases where it didn't work. There is only one way to find out which group you are in. Try some. At least there are no side effects except positive ones, like less inflammation in the body. The nice thing about those much-maligned direct- sales companies is that most of them have good money-back garantees. In this case, a full year. If you'd like to email me off list, put " knees " in the subject line, and I'll send you some more details. No sales pitches, no pressure. ienvan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Jello , cottage cheese or yogurt and black cheeries. Will do! thank you so much! I will try anythng and everything. ok MOST everything! Frazz , HeiressArts wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/8/2006 7:33:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, > frazzmomto4 writes: > > Hi everyone! I just joined about 1 minute ago. My name is Frazz and Im > a 45 year old married mom who lives in California. Ive been diagnosed > with Chondra Malecia Patella which is wearing and thinning of the knee > cartilidge. The dr says next step is surgery. I was hoping yall had > some ideas of things for me to try. Ive done the glocusamine > condrointon, straight leg exercises, medicated pads, gelatin, fish > oil, joint juice, cortisone shots and even Vicodin which I dont want > to get addicted to. These are all things the dr and other people have > suggested over the years. Anything else out there that I can try??? > > thanks > Frazz > > > > > Hi Frazz, > We have a lot of knee problems in our family...some due to weight. My > brother in law is an AC mechanic and is on them all the time. I ballroom dance, > and right now I need to lose some weight! It is painful to both feet and > knees to be dancing in heels, but if I lose about 10 lbs., a lot of the stress > can be relieved. > I occasionally take the glucosamine chondroitan (sp?). However, please try > eating jello with cottage cheese and cherries (black ones) in the same meal. > Also, when you eat chicken, eat a piece near the bone. The cartilege you > consume is similar to that in your knees. (I swear that's true...I read it on > the internet, ha).. The jello is animal, too (I won't go into it), and the > cottage cheese (or yogurt) has the necessary calcium. If you add black > cherries, it can help relieve the swelling and pain. My brother in law was > complaining in a restaurant, and I hopped up to go to the salad bar for a large plate > of the above ingredients. (He said, what is this for? I said, please eat > it. It is good for your knees). The next day, I asked him how his knees > where, and he said, hmmm, better! > (I won't discount the prayer I said over the salad either.) > I hope some of this helps, and welcome to the group!. > God bless, > Athena > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 In a message dated 11/9/2006 4:55:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, frazzmomto4 writes: Jello , cottage cheese or yogurt and black cheeries. Will do! thank you so much! I will try anythng and everything. ok MOST everything! Frazz Hi! Glad you wrote back! I forgot to say something important:, add some nuts on it (minerals). I couldn't find black cherries on the salad bar, but got the red cherry jello, lots of cottage cheese, and sprinkled on some pecans. He had already eaten red meat (for boron, magnesium, etc), and so I just gave him the dessert. (I also bought him a bag of frozen cherries later.) What impressed me was how quickly his body must have assimulated these nutrients. I also told him to drink more water and especially unsweetened tea. At least this is a pleasant remedy!! Please do let me know what results you have...you can buy the frozen black cherries, thaw them, and eat them over the cottage cheese. Maybe use the unsweetened black cherry jello. Add nuts. I'll bet that if you did this for lunch for a few days, you would notice a big difference. (Also, nicer nails!) I go by the adages " Let your food be your medicine " and " You are what you eat. " (Ok-no nut jokes, please). Have a great day! Athena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 If you haven't tried the Egoscue method you haven't tried everything. Please get the book Pain Free by Pete Egoscue and follow the VERY simple stretches. I know " they " tell you that without cartilage there's nothing you can do except surgery. They are wrong. I have a friend who is a massage therapist and had to quit because of her severe wrist pain. Xrays showed that her bone was deteriorating. Six months later another Xray showed worse deterioration and they told her all they could do was operate, take a piece of the bone out and hope for the best, even though they also told her she'd probably never do massage again even with the operation. I told her about Egoscue's method and she said " you don't understand--I've seen the xrays, I m a massage therapist and have studied muscles and bones and they are right--nothing but surgery is going to help this and stop the pain so I'm having the surgery. " I told her it was her choice. Three days later she called me up, asking for the name of the book again, because her insurance wouldn't cover the surgery and she didn't have the $15,000 it cost. So I told her the book again and then sent her to the web site www.egoscue.Com and told her that they were very nice people and that before she bought the book she should write them and tell them her problem and ask if their method could help. She called me the very next day, all excited, and told me that they had answered her in LESS than 24 hours, which she never expected. They told her that yes, the stretches would help stop the pain, and because she lives near Austin they gave her the directions to a husband/wife team that went through Egoscue's school (the school is in California). My friend went there and in just one session the pain lessened immediately. Within a few weeks she had no more pain (just doing the stretches at home) and even went back to doing massage. She tells everyone about the Egoscue method now!! Visit their site and you could even write them with your problem and ask if their methods would help you. Most of their stretches are in the Pain Free Book, though my friend said it did help to actually have someone (the husband/wife team) Showing her exactly how to do the stretches, but the book is filled with pictures so if you have someone there that can compare your body position to the book that would be helpful. My friend is single and didn't have any help. As a by-product of the stretches, she later told me that every morning she had to slowly get out of bed and take a hot shower for 20 minutes before she could move around comfortably (she had never told me that part) but that after doing her stretches every morning she no longer needs the hot shower to loosen her muscles and she just jumps up out of bed. Samala Renee ---- I hate to say that I have the exact same thing. Mine started when I was in my late teens of all times and has done nothing but go down hill since. My problem, and don't know if yours does the same thing, but because of the lack of cartilage, my kneecaps dislocate extremely easily, so I had to be put into braces for my knees. At 21 I had my first knee surgery which was a partial and now I have been told that that knee needs a total as well as my other knee. I am only 33 and it is very hard to deal with ESP if you have kids. I hate to say that I have tried everything there is out there. Have gone to all sorts of people for this and it all comes down to is that if your cartilage is gone it is gone, it cannot regenerate itself. They have told me that I have 2 choices. Live in my braces or do the surgery. Well at my age, they said that it is only good for 10 yrs like my last surgery and I will be left with a really huge scar. Being me, I am going to wait and wait until I see them do it with the laser! I wish you the best, I know it is hard when you hear that you have to have the operation. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Awwww sorry to hear this. Yeah I knwo the feeling. I tried Knox Gelatin too, someone recommended that. It didnt help my knees but I sure have nice long nails!!!!! hehehe Thats something at least. Im tired of taking Vicodin. I KNOW its not good for me. , Glade Sanders <gladesanders73 wrote: > > I hate to say that I have the exact same thing. Mine started when I was in my late teens of all times and has done nothing but go down hill since. My problem, and don't know if yours does the same thing, but because of the lack of cartilage, my kneecaps dislocate extremely easily, so I had to be put into braces for my knees. At 21 I had my first knee surgery which was a partial and now I have been told that that knee needs a total as well as my other knee. I am only 33 and it is very hard to deal with esp if you have kids. I hate to say that I have tried everything there is out there. Have gone to all sorts of people for this and it all comes down to is that if your cartilage is gone it is gone, it cannot regenerate itself. They have told me that I have 2 choices. Live in my braces or do the surgery. Well at my age, they said that it is only good for 10 yrs like my last surgery and I will be left with a really huge scar. Being me, I am going to wait and wait until > I see them do it with the laser! I wish you the best, I know it is hard when you hear that you have to have the operation. > Good luck. > > Glade > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 You might try prolotherapy for your knees. When I worked for an alternative doctor, it helped a lot of people with various joint cartilage problems. You can get information at www.prolotherapy.com, but they are not the only ones who do it. Look for a doctor who is a member of ACAM at www.acam.org. Linda Bumpas Light Beam Expressions Web Design Services to Help Your Light Shine Linda Glade Sanders <gladesanders73 Wednesday, November 8, 2006 8:43:34 PM Re: help for my knees I hate to say that I have the exact same thing. Mine started when I was in my late teens of all times and has done nothing but go down hill since. My problem, and don't know if yours does the same thing, but because of the lack of cartilage, my kneecaps dislocate extremely easily, so I had to be put into braces for my knees. At 21 I had my first knee surgery which was a partial and now I have been told that that knee needs a total as well as my other knee. I am only 33 and it is very hard to deal with esp if you have kids. I hate to say that I have tried everything there is out there. Have gone to all sorts of people for this and it all comes down to is that if your cartilage is gone it is gone, it cannot regenerate itself. They have told me that I have 2 choices. Live in my braces or do the surgery. Well at my age, they said that it is only good for 10 yrs like my last surgery and I will be left with a really huge scar. Being me, I am going to wait and wait until I see them do it with the laser! I wish you the best, I know it is hard when you hear that you have to have the operation. Good luck. Glade Ieneke van Houten <ienvan (AT) telus (DOT) net> wrote: Hi Frazz, You wrote: Ive been diagnosed with Chondra Malecia Patella which is wearing and thinning of the knee cartilidge. The dr says next step is surgery. I was hoping yall had some ideas of things for me to try. Ive done the glocusamine condrointon, straight leg exercises, medicated pads, gelatin, fish oil, joint juice, cortisone shots Anything else out there that I can try??? thanks > I loved Athena's nutritional suggestions, but if you have already tried gelatin, I guess that won't do it. What is your overall nutrition like? Lots of vitamin C? Sources of minerals? Silica? All are needed to make more cartiledge. Here is a dilemma. I have this stuff in my " store " that has been absolutely miraculous for some knees, and doesn't do a thing for others. I won't offend this board with a list of success stories, knowing full well that there were also cases where it didn't work. There is only one way to find out which group you are in. Try some. At least there are no side effects except positive ones, like less inflammation in the body. The nice thing about those much-maligned direct- sales companies is that most of them have good money-back garantees. In this case, a full year. If you'd like to email me off list, put " knees " in the subject line, and I'll send you some more details. No sales pitches, no pressure. ienvan (AT) telus (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Try Nutrilite Glucosamine HCL with Boswellia. This is supposed to grow back the worn out cartilages. You may have to take for about 2 to 3 years to get good result. It works. All the best. A.V.Subramanya India - Frazz Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:18 PM Re: help for my knees Awwww sorry to hear this. Yeah I knwo the feeling. I tried Knox Gelatin too, someone recommended that. It didnt help my knees but I sure have nice long nails!!!!! hehehe Thats something at least. Im tired of taking Vicodin. I KNOW its not good for me. , Glade Sanders <gladesanders73 wrote: > > I hate to say that I have the exact same thing. Mine started when I was in my late teens of all times and has done nothing but go down hill since. My problem, and don't know if yours does the same thing, but because of the lack of cartilage, my kneecaps dislocate extremely easily, so I had to be put into braces for my knees. At 21 I had my first knee surgery which was a partial and now I have been told that that knee needs a total as well as my other knee. I am only 33 and it is very hard to deal with esp if you have kids. I hate to say that I have tried everything there is out there. Have gone to all sorts of people for this and it all comes down to is that if your cartilage is gone it is gone, it cannot regenerate itself. They have told me that I have 2 choices. Live in my braces or do the surgery. Well at my age, they said that it is only good for 10 yrs like my last surgery and I will be left with a really huge scar. Being me, I am going to wait and wait until > I see them do it with the laser! I wish you the best, I know it is hard when you hear that you have to have the operation. > Good luck. > > Glade > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 --- yes you can try these Arthritis and joint care There are about 150 different types of arthritis recognised by rheumatologists for the term is used to cover a wide range of illnesses covering the muscular skeletal system. Basically however arthritis refers to inflammation of the joints the most common being osteoarthritis. Less common but far more disabling is rheumatoid arthritis, which is usually a more chronic disease. Usual methods of treatment involve aspirin which acts to suppress inflammation Cortisone that seems to be effective but extended use has shown side effects to the adrenal glands, which impairs the body to withstand stress. There is also a tendency for the symptoms to intensify when the cortisone is withdrawn. From the Edgar cayce perspective As a preventative measure Cayce said that one should have a peanut oil rub or massage once a week over the entire body, the peanut oil being used liberally, he said no one need fear arthritis. Causes Cayce describes the causes, which were limited to seven categories: poor assimilation, poor elimination, impaired circulation, glandular malfunction, karmic and psychological causes previous treatments, spinal sublaxations and injuries. According to cayce there was a pattern with improper eliminations in some people, which began with the production of excess stomach acid, a condition that sometimes came from suppressed anger and other stress related conditions. The excess acid tended to decrease the lymphatic system. Poor assimilation was also a factor, with some foods actually becoming poisonous due to their inability to be utilised properly. Constipation resulted.As a contributing factor circulation was mentioned in 40% of cases. In 8% of cases glandular misfunction was sited as the first cause and in 29% of the readings as a contributing factor. Karma was also mentioned as a cause as was the bearing of resentments, this was considered to be a major factor in the development of the disease. Previous treatments were also mentioned with one man being told that certain immunisation injections had disturbed his circulation resulting in an arthritic condition.Spinal misalignments and injuries were also noted as a first cause, most of the readings mentioned the coccyx or the lower portion of the spine as the source of the problems.Other contributing causes were diet,exercise,and mental attitude. Treatment 1. Foods to avoided were white flour and its products, white bread, pasta etc. fried foods, carbonated drinks, beer and hard liquor, [an occasional glass of red wine was OK] and white potatoes but the skins were OK. 2. Combinations of foods to be avoided were starches and sugar, coffee and tea with milk or cream and citrus fruits with cereals or dairy products. A typical diet placed emphasis on vegetables and fruits whole grains and light proteins.highly advised was a decrease in meats and starches with meat being completely excluded from the diet for a period of time .In severe cases a semi liquid diet was advised to avoid strain on the system. 3. Massage,was indicated in 63% of the readings and this was to be given usually after another treatment such as as Epsom salt baths or after a steam bath or the use of the wet cell device. Specific oils were advised to be used with the massage, which were equal parts of olive oil with peanut oil and tincture of myrrh. Prepared by heating a small amount of olive oil and then adding the myrrh. It was mentioned to use the oils freely and as much as the body could absorb. Other oils were lanolin, mineral oil, olio pine needles, sassafras oil, witch hazel, oil of wintergreen, cedarwood oil, mustard oil, kerosene and tincture of benzoin. Cayce said to heat the oil before use to aid absorbtion. Massage were to be given in a firm but gentle rotary motion not pinching the muscles but drawing the circulation by moving the hands smoothly over the skin. Special attention was to given to the neck and spine and to parts of the body where there was discomfort. The direction given for the massage was from the trunk to the extremities of the body. Frequency of massage varied but the most common was once weekly, once monthly and three times weekly. 4. Atomidine an edgar cayce product which can be got from the usa or in england was also recommended in 42% of cases but due to its high iodine content this was recommended in specific dosages and treatment cycles. Excessive iodine in the system could overstimulate the thyroid and result in harmful effects in the body. Never take atomidine when you are using thyroid medicine or other drugs as the drugs could react with each other and have undesirable effects. The most common dosage was one drop taken daily for five days followed by a five-day rest period then one-drop daily then rest for five days. Then resume the cycle.Daily dosages ranged from one to eight drops daily. It was recommended that atomidine was taken in half glass of water in the morning before eating. Frequently atomidine was coordinated with Epsom salt baths and massage with the baths being taken during the rest period and immediately following the atomidine sequence. 5. Improving the elimination process within the body,used in about 37% of cases the most frequent methods were castor oil packs, enemas, colonics, and eno salts. Body temperature water was to be used for the colonic which was to be followed by a rinse with an antiseptic such as Glyco thymoline one-tablespoon to a quart of water. Warm castor oil packs can be also applied over the abdominal area together with internal doses of olive oil. The packs were made by heating the oil and soaking the oil in woolen flannel- not boiling the oil but as hot as you could stand. The pack was then placed over say the stomach area or liver usualy with a plastic bag over the top to prevent soiling the lot can be strapped into place and then heated or kept warm. Castor oil is also used on any arthritic, rheumatic, or muscular and joint pain as unction. Basically an infra red lamp is placed 12-18 inches from the part to be massaged. Apply the castor oil on the painful area and let the lamp warm it and this will help the oil to penetrate the skin, this done for about 5-10 mins. Then keep rubbing with the fingers and hand until the oil is worked in. Keep putting more oil on and massaging continued for 10-60 mins. Massage was also very helpful, to be given usually after another treatment such as an Epsom salt bath. If the reaction to colonics and enemas was to severe, emphasis was placed on gentler methods such as Epsom salt baths, steam baths and a diet rich in laxative foods. Epsom salt baths were in a range of five pounds of Epsom salts to about 20 galls of water for a modern tub and 8-10 pounds for an old tub. Be in the tub for about 10-12 mins to start with and then work up to 20 mins. Further stimulation to the body could be given with using massage or rubbing the extremities of the body while in the bath. Temp of bath was to be as hot as possible up to the point of pain. Epsom salt packs can be also applied when needed over areas of extreme pain. The salts apparently act by drawing out toxins. you can also immerse any local part of the body in a smaller basin too with people who have arthritic hands or other parts of the body. also you can form a pack ,by dissolving say 1 pound of salts in a small basin or pot and as much water necessary to saturate a towel. apply as hot as possible over the area indicated and keep repeating the applications for 2-3 hrs .where possible use an infra red lamp or other means to keep the pack hot. Where there is crippling of the joints of the hands, pain of arthritis or inflammation of the tendons considerable relief can be found by using an Epsom salt bath and massage. Use a large quantity of the salts about 1 pound in the water though, not just a spoon full. Soak the affected area for about 5 mins and then massage the affected area under water, rotate the joints and soak again for another 5-10 mins. 6. Spinal manipulation such as osteopathy although chiropractic and neropathy were also recommended. Cayce claimed there was no better mechanical therapy as good as spinal manipulation .One could start at the base of the spine and sometimes at the top- cayce gave both methods, and you could also work from the outer portions of the body inwards. 7. Mental attitude was essential to healing; it had to be conducive to the healing. Positive thinking opened the body to the source of all healing- that which is spiritual and unitive in nature. Cayce said that only the self stood in the way of healing. 8. Persistence and consistency of the treatments was highly desirable. 9. Fume baths using a cabinet steam bath were also recommended. In 19% of readings, the baths were to relax the body and stimulate the perspiratory system so it could throw off toxins and waste through the skin. Various substances were to be added to the baths such as witch hazel, which was most frequent. Atomidine, pine oil, Epsom salts and a mixture of witch hazel and iodine, pine and wintergreen oil, or pine oil and tincture of benzoin. To avoid strain an ice bag or cold cloth could be placed on the head. In almost all cases massage was recommended after the sweat. 10. Electrotherapy was also mentioned, using the edgar cayce device known as the wet cell in the most severe cases. The impedance device was also used for 20 min in cycles of four at a time; meditation and devotional thoughts were advised during the treatment. The violet ray was used in conjunction with other treatments such as internal doses of chloride of gold and bromide of soda. These were to be taken just before the violet ray treatment and the ultraviolet light applied over the spine and lower limbs treatment time varied from 1.5 ¡V 30 min and daily ¡V once every 2 weeks. 11. Internal doses of gold and soda ¡V minute amounts of chloride of gold and bicarb of soda in half a glass of water. Although not specifically recommended by cayce spiritual healing has the capacity to be very beneficial in all illnesses- see other pages on this fascinating subject. From the Reilly health book which is essential reading to all those who are interested in getting and keeping well are the directions for the Epsom salt bath. Relief has been obtained to joints, pain of arthritis, of inflammation of the tendons by using Epsom salts and massage. A seamstress was sent to Reilly, using a Epsom salt hand bath and massage for two weeks she was able to close her hand something she had not been able to do two weeks before. The same treatment was applied with many musicians. Make a hot Epsom salt solution by adding one pound of salts to a basin or bowl. Soak the hand for about 5 mins and then massage the hand with the other hand under water, really work the fingers rotating the joints then soak again for another 5-10 mins. After about 20 mins of soaking take the hands out and massage with peanut oil all the way up the arms, the same procedure can be used with the feet. Epsom salt baths were also advised with amounts varying between 5-20 lbs of salts to the bath tub starting at 101degress and working up to 106-108, staying in the tub for 10-12 mins to start and then gradually increase to 20 mins. An ice bag over certain areas with help you bear the heat. This he found particularly good therapy for stiff joints muscular pain arthritis and rheumatism for increasing the metabolism and the work of the heart and relieving pain. Caution was needed with cardiovascular and high blood pressure cases. 11.One of the most important principles outlined by cayce and others where people are suffering from any condition is to do everything they can to help others in whatever capacity they can. Cayce frequently mentioned that this would bring faster results. This is a great ingredient in helping all people to transmute their own karma. See other pages on this particularly important treatment. 12 Using Egyptian oil,- an edgar cayce product One lady reported pains and growths are gone and arthritis did not come to her this year. Another reports that her knees were so swollen but after using the oil swelling went down, she uses the oil 2-3 times a week. This other lady reports that soaking in Epsom salts then applying the oil gave her the best results. Pain seems to ease immediately and use of the effected parts returns far more rapidly than ever before. The oil had also relieved paralysis, which some poor man had on his left side. Another lady in her 80s reports says the oil is the only thing, which keeps her arthritic knees. There is a lot more to the research covering arthritis including aspects of diet,glands,etc Rheumatoid Arthritis This is a chronic inflammatory condition; it may apparently begin at any time, the usual onset is between 20-40. The symptoms are joint swelling stiffness, warmth tenderness and pain; this can be very debilitating. Cayce gave 19 readings for eleven people with this condition with an age range of 22-72 yrs old. Causes 1. Glandular incordination mentioned in 7 cases and was a major factor .It was the lack of proper hormonal secretions which contributed to problems with the circulation, the blood and calcium levels and the proper absorption of minerals from food. 2. Improper eliminations which would lead to a build up of toxins within the body was sited in 6 cases 3. In four cases spinal misalignment especially in the lower spine which could interfere with the proper nerve impulses action. 4. Poor assimilations were mentioned as a contributing factor in three cases. Treatment 1.Ten people received dietary advice with the emphasis on alkaline reacting foods ¡V raw vegetables such as carrots, cabbage, watercress, celery and lettuce. Served in any combination for one meal a day. Leafy veg was recommended over the pod variety. Strongly advised were food sources, which contained specific minerals such as magnesium, silicon, sulphur and iodine. Avoid of red meats, fried foods, and starches. 2.Nine people were recommended massage with a combination of olive oil and peanut oil with the limbs joints and extremities receiving special attention. 3. Electrotherapy was mentioned in 7 cases where there was evidence of nerve deterioration, the wet cell was to be used to combat this.the violet ray and the radial appliance were also mentioned. 4, Hydrotherapy was mentioned in 5 cases and took the form of Epsom salt baths this was to relax the body and relieve pain. Four people were given instructions for internal doses of atomidine to improve glandular coordination. 5.Gold chloride was mentioned in 4 cases once by itself and with bromide or bicarbonate of soda. This was to help the nervous system. 6.To relieve pain in the joints cayce advised packs of Epsom salts and in two cases castor oil pack and one of glycothymoline. 7.Sedatives were mentioned in three cases in the form of aspirin, cobra venom [to be administered by a doctor versed in this field] and a capsule consisting of eucalyptus, rectified oil of turpentine and benzosal. 8.Kaldak tonic and stimulants for eliminations were also mentioned. 9.Adjustments to the entire spinal column were suggested in four cases. Although not specifically recommended by cayce spiritual/reiki healing has the capacity to be very beneficial in all illnesses- see other pages on this fascinating subject. 12 Spiritual healing, Reiki, find a good healer - but someone you feel an attunement with at a soul level otherwise you can have negative results making your situation worse. We are know witnessing one of the great turnings in our century where old healing practices are re-emerging such as Reiki healing, Colour healing, Seichim, Spiritual healing, Osteopathy, Massage and many others. Some of these are thousands of years old, Spiritual healing is one of those. It is exactly the same kind of energy used by Jesus in so many of his healings. Put simply Spiritual Healing, Reiki is the transference of certain energies through a channel which could be a person or an animal or even the planet, the wavelengths of this healing energy are well outside the limits of most scientific equipment but a lot of people can feel this energy . The energy in my experience has been very uplifting and beautiful which can touch and vastly influence parts of us such as the spirit or soul or our mental selves and our physical selves. It can bring a steadiness and balance and sense of well-being second to none .Its limits as to its use are in the realms of the infinite. A very simplistic analogy would be to liken it to a massive energy reservoir which can be tapped into by people and animals which act as the conduits of this energy and like wires of electricity some of which are bigger than others and so therefore big wires can transmit more energy than smaller wires. Bearing this point in mind the reader can soon appreciate that going to one healer can be vastly different than going to another as it is with so many things whether it be dentists, doctors, policeman or what have you. Spiritual Healing is natural healing energy, which is present in this universe. Spiritual healers work in many different ways to some it is the laying on of hands onto a person or animal, to others it can be sent through the power of thought. To be even in the presence of some healers can have a profound and beneficial effect on people and one wishes that there were more people giving off just as beautiful vibrations as these people were this world would truly transform it One of the most important principles outlined by cayce and others where people are suffering from any condition is to do everything they can to help others in whatever capacity they can. Cayce frequently mentioned that this would bring faster results. This is a great ingredient in helping all people to transmute their own karma. See other pages on this particularly important treatment. Some feedback My healing was major. I have been free of flare-ups for three years at this writing. Because of this level of healing, I know I would not change a thing about what I did! By adhering to Cayce's instructions as closely as possible, I hit on an effective combination of Atomidine, Epsom Salts, and Massage Oils. Though not easy, I consider the problems I encountered to be very minor compared with the benefits Castor Oil Packs & Ice as Needed Daily use of Castor Oil Packs has been shown to dissolve arthritic spurs, but I used them to treat local inflammation. Before consulting with Dr. McGarey, I kept serious inflammation flare-ups under control the same way I had been doing for ten years, with Castor Oil Packs. I also applied ice, sometimes alternating the two with severe flare-ups. Ice alone is sufficient for minor flare-ups. Only once did Cayce recommend Castor Oil Packs for treating arthritis, but they had been extremely helpful, so I continued with them. The worst flare-up I experienced as part of my recovery involved my right hip, much of my pelvic area and my lower back. The pain was excruciating with even the slightest movement, so I only got out of bed to crawl to the bathroom. I was unable to walk for four days. My doctor would very likely have treated me with cortisone shots if I had called him. Cayce says clearly that anti-inflammatory medications are not helpful, and in fact make things worse. I felt cortisone shots would prevent the flare-up from carrying out its corrective purpose. I was right. Day and night for a week, I alternated castor oil packs with ice, noting gradual improvement. The hip not only completely healed, it ceased to trouble me thereafter. The Edgar Cayce arthritis healing methods for me were a resounding success. After only 6 weeks, I noticed a greatly reduced need for toxic anti-inflammatory drugs, and soon eliminated them altogether. Within a few weeks of my conversation with Dr. McGarey, all major symptoms suddenly subsided. The general pain in my body and joints was virtually gone, as were the flare-ups and swelling. I felt deep release from pain and the aggressiveness of the illness, as if the arthritis had been stopped and could not return unless I went back to old habits. Edgar Cayce's remedies gave my body a life and vigor it had not known in more than a decade! I was continuing to heal when I foolishly allowed parts of the program to lapse. Had I followed the Cayce instruction of applying the full program persistently and consistently for a period of time well beyond the cessation of symptoms, I would today be in remission or completely cured. Nevertheless, three years later I remain in a much improved state of health, and completely free of the acute inflammation flare-ups by which I was literally crippled prior to the program. I fully credit Edgar Cayce's miraculous therapies for this dramatic and sustained improvement. Until I applied them seriously, I deteriorated. After I applied them, I improved rapidly. Edgar Cayce's genius gave me back my life. Fuller details can be found in Reba Ann karps book encyclopedia of healing ISBN 0446 30981-8 which gives lots of treatments on all manor of diseases. And the Edgar cayce handbook for health by Harold reilly and Ruth hagy brod Harold had 43 yrs working with the readings Isdn0-02601960- 4 Obtained from the cayce center ARE or the heritage store, Virginia beach Books and remedies can be obtained from Home Health Products to Request a Catalogue or place a Credit Card Order: 1-800-284-9123 The Heritage Store 314 Laskin Road Virginia Beach, VA 23451 To Request a Catalogue or place a Credit Card Order: 1-800-862-2923 For more information about the A.R.E., visit http://www.edgarcayce.org If you are a member of the A.R.E., you can purchase or borrow a set of Cayce's readings by calling 1-800-333-4499 USA Or the Edgar Cayce centre up in Durham 13 prospect terrace, new stanley, CO Durham, England DH9 7TR 01207 237696 ask for one of the circulating files on arthritis Research from the meridian institute Meridian Institute, 1853 Old Donation Parkway, Suite 1 Virginia Beach, VA 23454 (757) 496-6009 Ran by a team of doctors the meridian institute carried out a brief study on a few of the cayce treatments including Arthritis, a brief summary is here for fuller details please contact them or their website meridianinstitute.com/ Seven individuals participated in a 10-day live-in instructional/treatment program in November 1998, in which they were taught the elements of the Edgar Cayce therapies for arthritis. One person had rheumatoid arthritis, and six had osteoarthritis. Rheumatoid arthritis is characterized by inflammatory changes in the synovial membranes of the joints and the areas around the joints and by atrophy and rarification of the bones. In osteoarthritis there is generally no inflammation and no spreading or migratory type of joint involvement. Rather than a loss of calcium, there is a calcium build-up. The project explicitly did not require participants to change their current therapies or medications. The principal therapies included dietary changes, massage, Atomidine (an iodine supplement), and Epsom salts baths. The participants then returned home to continue these therapies for six months, submitting daily logs of compliance with the protocol. Arthritis symptoms were evaluated at the beginning of the program and after six months. Four of the seven people returned for the six- month follow-up in May 1999. One was unable to attend the April session, and returned in November. Another responded to a questionnaire by mail, and one person dropped out of the study. Of the six participants who submitted information, three had excellent compliance with the protocol. One felt ¡§much improved,¡¨ and two felt ¡§improved.¡¨ Other interesting feedback According to Reba Ann karps book DR Charles Lucas chief of endocrinology and metabolism at Harper grace hospitals Detroit has reported that a diet low in animal fats will ease rheumatoid arthritis pain.with some of his patients reporting that that pain and stiffness nearly disappeared and swelling in joints reduced remarkably. Further substantiating cayce is a study done by the Department of medicine at Wayne State University Detroit Michigan in that fat free diets have been found to produce complete remissions in six patients with rheumatoid arthritis. Bee venom was mentioned by cayce and in the UK experiments have isolated an anti-inflammatory agent within the venom. In the US it has also been found that injecting bee venom into the painful joints activates natural cortisone production in the bones thus relieving the pain of arthritis. Treatment of Arthritis with Rife machine About Royal Raymond Rife Royal Raymond Rife was an inventor and genius who won scientist of the year awards twice. He started looking for a cancer cure in 1920. By 1934 he cured 16 out of 16 (100% success) cancer patients in his clinic, every one within 3 months. What he invented first was a microscope that used prisms and various light types other than white and was so powerful he could watch viruses alive and experiment on them without destroying them in the process. In Australia, a serious placebo (sometimes called double blind) study was made to demonstrate the effectiveness of using audio frequency therapy in the treatment of arthritis using a prototype of the PET Rife-Crane unit. Behind this study is, amongst others, Geoff Baker (B.App. Sci) who spent years of his life and millions of dollars studying and perfecting his PET device. In order to achieve medical approval for the sale of the PET unit in Australia, this Placebo study was made under scientifically controlled circumstances. The Study results suggest that „h Audio Frequency Therapy is highly effective in the treatment of Osteo and Rheumatoid Arthritis. After 36 three-hour treatment sessions of Audio Frequency Therapy, the net mean overall improvement in the arthritic condition of treated volunteers (irrespective of type of arthritis suffered) was approximately 25 percent „h Continued reduction of pain levels under the extended treatment sessions administered to Group C (72 three hour treatment sessions, fig 4) suggest that the benefits of Audio Frequency Therapy are cumulative and in proportion to the number of treatment sessions a patient undergoes. „h Extrapolation of the mean improvement rate of all treated volunteers in considering the " worst case " situation suggests that it may be possible to completely eliminate many Arthritis signs and symptoms in any sufferer of Osteo or Rheumatoid Arthritis in less than twelve months with an AFTU treatment program of three, three hour sessions per week. „h Frequency Therapy may relieve all arthritis symptoms permanently. This may be possible if the underlying causative factors are also dealt with and the patient is given time to heal. A cleansing dietary regimen would be considered essential in all cases. „h Audio Frequency Therapy may relieve pain, swelling and inflammation in all arthritis affected areas, but will leave pain in joints which have suffered major degeneration I.e. moderate to complete breakdown of articular cartilage leaving exposed bone. „h No significant adverse side effects may be expected within the short term i.e. less than 12 months (based on clinical experience) if the above treatment protocol is adhered to and the Audio Frequency Therapy Unit operation manual closely followed. The study was initiated by a private company, BWBGELTECH PTY LTD seeking assistance from an arthritis support organisation, interested doctors, and a commercial laboratory. Placebo study conditions were strictly adhered to, with no volunteer being aware of whether he or she was receiving treatment. Three treatments per week of three hours duration were administered using thirty-four Audio Frequency Therapy Units. These pocket sized computerised devices allowed carefully selected menus of frequency programs to be applied to each chosen volunteer. All participants were regularly monitored by self-evaluation of pain on visual analogue scales, which complied with a standard hospital protocol for monitoring pain in arthritis patients. Also pre and post study HLB testing was provided by Australian Biologics Testing Services (Sydney) for seven randomly selected volunteers from the treated and placebo groups. Similarly, independent post-study appraisal of each volunteer's condition by their referring General Practitioner was requested. On completion of the study, the mean value of percentage reduction in overall pain (of the treated group was 34 percent compared with 13 percent reduction in the untreated group (The mean 13 percent reduction of pain in the untreated volunteers was generally attributable to the emotional benefits received by being involved in the study. This improvement was not evidenced in the blood test results. Long term side effects are unknown but may be similar in nature to TENS therapy. Continuous treatment with Audio Frequency Therapy Units over twelve months is not recommended. After this study was complete, Geoff Baker formed Electromed to build and market a commercial version of the Audio Frequency Therapy unit described here. The commercial version is called PET and it is described on the electromed web site There is a wealth of testimonies on the rife forum website which testify to the effectiveness of this treatment http://www.rife.de/ phil In , " Frazz " <frazzmomto4 wrote: > > Hi everyone! I just joined about 1 minute ago. My name is Frazz and Im > a 45 year old married mom who lives in California. Ive been diagnosed > with Chondra Malecia Patella which is wearing and thinning of the knee > cartilidge. The dr says next step is surgery. I was hoping yall had > some ideas of things for me to try. Ive done the glocusamine > condrointon, straight leg exercises, medicated pads, gelatin, fish > oil, joint juice, cortisone shots and even Vicodin which I dont want > to get addicted to. These are all things the dr and other people have > suggested over the years. Anything else out there that I can try??? > > thanks > Frazz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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