Guest guest Report post Posted November 28, 2004 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Lumber Jack " Hi, I am new to the group. I can across this message and I also have fibromyalgia, also for the last 2 years suffered with chronic tennis elbow and now seem to have gout in my big toe. Could you or anyone suggest how I could treat these conditions with natural theropy, I am having to return to work because of severe money problems after my husband severed his tendans in his hand and is on the sick, and I am very worried I will not be able to cope. With Regards Vicki <lumberjack98_28166> wrote: > > Victoria, > > I have a friend that was just diagnosed with Fibromyalgia that is not > a member of this group but is very interested in learning more about > TCM treatment. Would you mind if I put her in contact with you? > > Bill > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon " > <victoria_dragon> wrote: > > Hi Blaise, and welcome to Chinese Traditional Medicine. > > > > > Does anyone know how fibromyalgia translates into TCM? Or has > > > anyone successfully treated it with TCM? > > > > I have. I'm not cured, but there has been vast improvement. > Please > > keep in mind that I was sick with CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune > > Dysfunction Syndrome) and FMS for over 20 years before I finally > got > > TCM treatment. Not only was I sick for a long time, I was severely > > sick to the point of having to crawl to the bath room, not being > > able to read, etc. The longer one is sick and the more severe, the > > longer the healing time as a general rule. > > > > Hugo has posted some intro information which I'm quoting here: > > > > " Often cold-damp syndrome with spleen weakness and > > kidney weakness sometimes complicated by hollow heat > > and or liver and gallbladder heat. But we'd have to > > know the actual presentation to do anything but > > speculate. " > > > > I don't know how much of a background you have in TCM, so please > let > > us know if these terms are unfamiliar to you. If you already have > a > > background in TCM, we'll go onto the more detailed information, > > including other possible underlying TCM imbalances that can result > > in FMS. > > > > If any list member has an interest in FMS and doesn't understand > the > > terms like " cold-damp, spleen weakness, kidney weakness, " etc. I'll > > be glad to explain in more detail. > > > > BTW, for those with a background in TCM, the Organ imbalances which > > are seen the most often in people with FMS are Kidney, Spleen, > > Liver, and Heart. Other imbalances may also be present, but these > > are the most common ones. > > > > Victoria Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 29, 2004 I have heard the following have helped .. Try lemon water. If you eat meat, eat much less or stay of it for a while. Money is a problem, these are good starting point. furbabysinc <vicki.sayers1 wrote: Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Lumber Jack " Hi, I am new to the group. I can across this message and I also have fibromyalgia, also for the last 2 years suffered with chronic tennis elbow and now seem to have gout in my big toe. Could you or anyone suggest how I could treat these conditions with natural theropy, I am having to return to work because of severe money problems after my husband severed his tendans in his hand and is on the sick, and I am very worried I will not be able to cope. With Regards Vicki <lumberjack98_28166> wrote: > > Victoria, > > I have a friend that was just diagnosed with Fibromyalgia that is not > a member of this group but is very interested in learning more about > TCM treatment. Would you mind if I put her in contact with you? > > Bill > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon " > <victoria_dragon> wrote: > > Hi Blaise, and welcome to Chinese Traditional Medicine. > > > > > Does anyone know how fibromyalgia translates into TCM? Or has > > > anyone successfully treated it with TCM? > > > > I have. I'm not cured, but there has been vast improvement. > Please > > keep in mind that I was sick with CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune > > Dysfunction Syndrome) and FMS for over 20 years before I finally > got > > TCM treatment. Not only was I sick for a long time, I was severely > > sick to the point of having to crawl to the bath room, not being > > able to read, etc. The longer one is sick and the more severe, the > > longer the healing time as a general rule. > > > > Hugo has posted some intro information which I'm quoting here: > > > > " Often cold-damp syndrome with spleen weakness and > > kidney weakness sometimes complicated by hollow heat > > and or liver and gallbladder heat. But we'd have to > > know the actual presentation to do anything but > > speculate. " > > > > I don't know how much of a background you have in TCM, so please > let > > us know if these terms are unfamiliar to you. If you already have > a > > background in TCM, we'll go onto the more detailed information, > > including other possible underlying TCM imbalances that can result > > in FMS. > > > > If any list member has an interest in FMS and doesn't understand > the > > terms like " cold-damp, spleen weakness, kidney weakness, " etc. I'll > > be glad to explain in more detail. > > > > BTW, for those with a background in TCM, the Organ imbalances which > > are seen the most often in people with FMS are Kidney, Spleen, > > Liver, and Heart. Other imbalances may also be present, but these > > are the most common ones. > > > > Victoria Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 30, 2004 In a message dated 12/30/2004 8:22:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ombass writes: I am looking to combat fibromyalgia What do you do for this?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 26, 2005 If this is one of my problems, how do you find out if it is related? ***You should also make sure your problem isn't related to a chronic case of constipation or diarrhea—either of which can flood the body with toxins and create aches throughout. *** thanks Donna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2005 Having been diagnosed for over 10 years with Fibro, all I can say is, learn. Learn to live with it. Learn to live with yourself. Learn to live with others. and for practical purposes.... Diet. I've done better since I changed my diet to a low fat, low carbohydrate, high protein diet. I do not eat (if I can help it) Wheat, corn, dairy (other than yogurt, cottage cheese, whey protein), and soy. These aggrevate my condition the most. Alcohol also causes problems. I have a regimine of vitamins and minerals I take daily to help...see below. Exercise. This is the fun part. You're going to hurt whether or not you exercise. I feel better when I exercise because I think I give myself a REASON to hurt. Power of Positive Thinking. Meditation has helped somewhat. I'm back at school, my psychology classes are good therapy. I make myself do things that I know I'll pay for later because I WANT to do them. I WANT to ride horses chasing cows for six hours for a weekend every other month. I WANT to hike to a local watering hole (I live in the desert) because I can put my body into a natural body of water, regardless of the algae. I WANT to make love to the man I am marrying, even though I'll hurt later. I WANT to clean my house, because its more comfortable than sitting around in a dirty one. One of the main causes of Fibromyalgia is Sleep Disturbances. The only way your Dr will give you a sleep study is if you tell them your Partner or Someone says they noticed you quit breathing during the night (sleep apnea). It took me years to get a sleep study, they found I have Restless Leg Syndrome and a severe case of Periodic Limb Movement Disorder (a hereditary condition). Stress is another major factor which will worsen Fibromyalgia. Learning Stress reduction techniques will help in the long run. Malic Acid (contains Magnesium) has helped me. It helps with the Krebbs Cycle. Flaxseed oil (contains Omega-3, Omega-6, & Omega-9 fatty acids) at nightVitamin C (I take up to 4gms -4000mg- per day) Lactobacillus Acidophillus (and other normal gut flora) twice a day Multi Vitamin/Mineral without Iron (at night) Multi Vitamin/Mineral with Iron (in the morning) B Complex Vitamins (water soluble, can take more than one a day) Magnesium (when I run out of Malic Acid) at night Meds I'm on: Sinemet -Carbidopa/LevaDopa (anti parkinson's drug for RLS) Armour Thyroid (for dry skin, hot flashes, thin hair, digestive problems) Neurontin (for post herpatic neuralgia from Shingles) Soma (for muscle spasms at night) Skelexin (for muscle spasms during work days) Vicodan (as needed for severe pain) Excederin Extra Strength (as needed for moderate pain) I know what you're about to go through. Its been a long hard struggle for me, but I'm thankful for supporting friends and family. Keeping a positive outlook, laughing at yourself and your problems (laughter is GREAT medicine), and just taking time to love and care for yourself will help a lot. Feel free to email me off list if you'd like.-cowluver01 [cowluver01] Fibromyalgia Does anyone have any suggestions on Fibramyalga??...........Recently diagnosed with it and was wanting to know if there were some answers other then medicine that has so many side effects...........Thanks..........Linda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2005 > Does anyone have any suggestions on Fibramyalga??.. Therapeutic massage won't cure it, but it will allow you a way to begin to listen to your body, and give you a way of coping with it. As you listen to your body, it will reveal to you the roots of the disorder. I have had fibromyalgia clients who came for massage about twice a month. It was part of what they did for themselves, and it allowed them to have a fairly normal life. It was for them a way of listening and living. Robert Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2005 Linda- two great books: "Reversing Fibromylagia" by Dr Joe M.Elrod , "From fatigued to Fantastic" by Dr Jacob Teitelbaum isbn 089529737 See Dominic Bush website: www.fms-help.com I've worked several out - are you near Houston Tx? All Fibros have long toe next to big toe which predisposes one to acquire this dysfunction . email me separately 'hank-jean-krebs" God Bless and keep you - cowluver01 Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:55 PM Fibromyalgia Does anyone have any suggestions on Fibramyalga??...........Recently diagnosed with it and was wanting to know if there were some answers other then medicine that has so many side effects...........Thanks..........Linda********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers-HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm__________-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:http://www./members_add _________To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links___________Community email addresses: Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______Shortcut URL to this page: http://www. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2005 Linda, Have you tried the Q-Ray Ionized Bracelet? The ionized bracelets are not known for any side effects, except for people who are allergic to metal. Hope this helps. David , cowluver01@a... wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions on Fibramyalga??...........Recently > diagnosed with it and was wanting to know if there were some answers other then > medicine that has so many side effects...........Thanks..........Linda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2005 Linda, You have my sympathy, but don't give up hope. Most auto-immune conditions can be much improved by cleaning out the colon, cleansing and activating the liver, improving digestion, healing "leaky gut", and encouraging the growth of the right intestinal bacteria. All the above measures build health, they don't treat disease. Undetected food sensitivities or allergies are often at the root of auto-immune conditions. How do you find out what foods don't agree with you? Play with it! Start a food diary and notice how you feel after eating what when.. This is a bit of work, but only YOU can be the expert on your body. What is your diet like right now? What sort of bedding do you use? What are you putting on your face, and cleaning your house with? All those factors make a difference. Here is an excellent website on the topic of food sensitivities. I much prefer whole live foods from Nature to the fragmented supplements the website talk about, but that is my prejudice. www.alternate-health.com You might want to invest $20 in Dr Bates' new subliminal program. It might help you to sleep. I have known Dr Phil Bate online for a few years now. He is a total sweetheart and practically gives his inventions away. Ien in the Kootenays**********************************"What is the use of a house if you haven'tgot a tolerable planet to put it on?"~ThoreauSaving the rainforest, a cup of tea at the time.http://wildhealing.net******************************** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2005 I have fibromyalgia also. They have been trying to treat it with various drugs for years and nothing helps. Between the pain and the insomnia, I have no life. I am trying to change my diet to include more fruits/living foods and less cooked. I take various supplements. mary ****** Linda, You have my sympathy, but don't give up hope. Most auto-immune conditions can be much improved by cleaning out the colon, cleansing and activating the liver, improving digestion, healing "leaky gut", and encouraging the growth of the right intestinal bacteria. All the above measures build health, they don't treat disease. Undetected food sensitivities or allergies are often at the root of auto-immune conditions. How do you find out what foods don't agree with you? Play with it! Start a food diary and notice how you feel after eating what when.. This is a bit of work, but only YOU can be the expert on your body. What is your diet like right now? What sort of bedding do you use? What are you putting on your face, and cleaning your house with? All those factors make a difference. Here is an excellent website on the topic of food sensitivities. I much prefer whole live foods from Nature to the fragmented supplements the website talk about, but that is my prejudice. www.alternate-health.com You might want to invest $20 in Dr Bates' new subliminal program. It might help you to sleep. I have known Dr Phil Bate online for a few years now. He is a total sweetheart and practically gives his inventions away. Ien in the Kootenays For the Lord God helps Me; therefore have I not been ashamed or confounded. Therefore have I set My face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be put to shame. Isa 50:7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2005 I have fibro and RLS. I agree with what you say. Also learn your limitations. Listen to them. I have a little story comparing energy to spoons - if you would like it, let me know and I'll email it to you. Another suggestion (and I don't like it myself) is exercise. The more you can do, the better you will feel. mary ***** Having been diagnosed for over 10 years with Fibro, all I can say is, learn. Learn to live with it. Learn to live with yourself. Learn to live with others. and for practical purposes.... Diet. I've done better since I changed my diet to a low fat, low carbohydrate, high protein diet. I do not eat (if I can help it) Wheat, corn, dairy (other than yogurt, cottage cheese, whey protein), and soy. These aggrevate my condition the most. Alcohol also causes problems. I have a regimine of vitamins and minerals I take daily to help...see below. Exercise. This is the fun part. You're going to hurt whether or not you exercise. I feel better when I exercise because I think I give myself a REASON to hurt. Power of Positive Thinking. Meditation has helped somewhat. I'm back at school, my psychology classes are good therapy. I make myself do things that I know I'll pay for later because I WANT to do them. I WANT to ride horses chasing cows for six hours for a weekend every other month. I WANT to hike to a local watering hole (I live in the desert) because I can put my body into a natural body of water, regardless of the algae. I WANT to make love to the man I am marrying, even though I'll hurt later. I WANT to clean my house, because its more comfortable than sitting around in a dirty one. One of the main causes of Fibromyalgia is Sleep Disturbances. The only way your Dr will give you a sleep study is if you tell them your Partner or Someone says they noticed you quit breathing during the night (sleep apnea). It took me years to get a sleep study, they found I have Restless Leg Syndrome and a severe case of Periodic Limb Movement Disorder (a hereditary condition). Stress is another major factor which will worsen Fibromyalgia. Learning Stress reduction techniques will help in the long run. Malic Acid (contains Magnesium) has helped me. It helps with the Krebbs Cycle. Flaxseed oil (contains Omega-3, Omega-6, & Omega-9 fatty acids) at nightVitamin C (I take up to 4gms -4000mg- per day) Lactobacillus Acidophillus (and other normal gut flora) twice a day Multi Vitamin/Mineral without Iron (at night) Multi Vitamin/Mineral with Iron (in the morning) B Complex Vitamins (water soluble, can take more than one a day) Magnesium (when I run out of Malic Acid) at night Meds I'm on: Sinemet -Carbidopa/LevaDopa (anti parkinson's drug for RLS) Armour Thyroid (for dry skin, hot flashes, thin hair, digestive problems) Neurontin (for post herpatic neuralgia from Shingles) Soma (for muscle spasms at night) Skelexin (for muscle spasms during work days) Vicodan (as needed for severe pain) Excederin Extra Strength (as needed for moderate pain) I know what you're about to go through. Its been a long hard struggle for me, but I'm thankful for supporting friends and family. Keeping a positive outlook, laughing at yourself and your problems (laughter is GREAT medicine), and just taking time to love and care for yourself will help a lot. Feel free to email me off list if you'd like. - cowluver01 [cowluver01] Fibromyalgia Does anyone have any suggestions on Fibramyalga??...........Recently diagnosed with it and was wanting to know if there were some answers other then medicine that has so many side effects...........Thanks..........Linda For the Lord God helps Me; therefore have I not been ashamed or confounded. Therefore have I set My face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be put to shame. Isa 50:7 Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2005 i agree with you Robert, massage don't cure this problem, it helps, but knowing that this problem exist go a long way, i have clients with this problem, just listening is alot of help already. understanding their pains & suffering, is all we can do as therapist beside laying our hands upon their bodies.Robert Patrick <potoole wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions on Fibramyalga??..Therapeutic massage won't cure it, but it will allow you a way to begin tolisten to your body, and give you a way of coping with it. As you listento your body, it will reveal to you the roots of the disorder.I have had fibromyalgia clients who came for massage about twice a month. It was part of what they did for themselves, and it allowed them to have afairly normal life. It was for them a way of listening and living.Robert********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers-HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm__________-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:http://www./members_add _________To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links___________Community email addresses: Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______Shortcut URL to this page: http://www. Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2005 Its true that massage does not CURE, but my gawds, it DOES HELP. I find that I enjoy being touched in a NON SEXUAL way. My sig other does not have the endruance to massage knots out of the knots in my muscles. An hour long massage JUST gets to the beginning of the problem, and I can't afford much more. I do appreciate the benefits though: an hour out of my life to do something JUST FOR ME! an hour of relaxation, peace, and bunches of the hormone Oxytocin (comes from being touched) soft music in the background, low lights, pleasant scents. someone to rub my feet, reflexology, easing the pressures of pressure itself. I recommend it, wholeheartedly, and I'd do it more often if I could afford it. Insurance doesn't pay, and I'm already strapped. Original Message: ----------------- Re: Fibromyalgia i agree with you Robert, massage don't cure this problem, it helps, but knowing that this problem exist go a long way, i have clients with this problem, just listening is alot of help already. understanding their pains & suffering, is all we can do as therapist beside laying our hands upon their bodies. -- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2006 I agree with the real cause of fibromyalgia. I believe the cause of all disease is poor nutrition, lack of exercise, stress, environmental toxins. The body has an amazing capability to heal when given whole foods, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, probiotics and fiber and natural remedies and therapies that help bring the body back into balance. With fibromyalgia you should avoid immune stimulants. Inflammation needs to be brought under control and there is typically a deficiency of the adrenal hormone cortisol, which controls inflammation in the body. Supplements that can be used to reduce inflammation are licorice, yucca and white willow bark. Muscles go into spasm when they are exhausted, so increasing energy production in the cells is important. Fibralgia is a combination of malic acid and magnesium, which helps increase energy in the muscle cells and enable them to relax. Magnesium deficiency is probably a major factor in this disorder. Some other herbs that can be used to reduce muscle cramping and pain are kava kava and lobelia. A gentle detoxification is also recommended for a person who has fibromyalgia. Blessings, Michelle Newport, CH Nature For Life " Better Health Through Better Living " http://www.natureforlife.com On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 17:52 +0000, Lars Hedstr ö m wrote: Hi everybody. What is the cause of fibromyalgia do you think and is there a good cure? As for the real cause of fibromyalgia, it is a modern disease and modern diseases are usally caused by humans in one why or another, environmental pollution, additives and preservatives, trash food etc Lars ********************************************* Peacefulmind.com Sponsors Alternative Answers- HEALING NATURALLY- Learn preventative and curative measure to take for many ailments at: http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments.htm __________ -To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them: http://health./subs_invite _________ To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://health./links ___________ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______ Shortcut URL to this page: http://health. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2006 Those who suffer from fibromyalgia may need to cleanse and detoxify the liver. It is a condition of high acid and the use of a product such as VitaGreen is recommended to get alkaline balance. Anti inflammatory oils such as birch, helichrysum, lavender, mrrh, patchouly, and rosemary may also be helpful. Wishing health to all, Scarlet Paolicchi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 3, 2006 ---lars here is my file on the subject derived from the edgar cayce stuff in part OVERVIEW OF FIBROMYALGIA Fibromyalgia is a chronic disorder characterized by widespread musculoskeletal pain, fatigue, and multiple tender points. " Tender points " refers to tenderness that occurs in precise, localized areas, particularly in the neck, spine, shoulders, and hips. People with this syndrome may also experience sleep disturbances, morning stiffness, irritable bowel syndrome, anxiety, and other symptoms. According to the American College of Rheumatology, fibromyalgia affects 3 to 6 million Americans. It primarily occurs in women of childbearing age, but children, the elderly, and men can also be affected. Treatment of fibromyalgia requires a comprehensive approach. The physician, physical therapist, and patient may all play an active role in the management of fibromyalgia. Studies have shown that aerobic exercise, such as swimming and walking, improves muscle fitness and reduces muscle pain and tenderness. Heat and massage may also give short-term relief. Antidepressant medications may help elevate mood, improve quality of sleep, and relax muscles. Fibromyalgia patients may benefit from a combination of exercise, medication, physical therapy, and relaxation. EDGAR CAYCE'S PERSPECTIVE ON FIBROMYALGIA During Edgar Cayce's era it was commonly called muscular rheumatism. Several individuals with this diagnosis received readings on their condition. For example, reading 5233-1 was given for a seventy-nine-year-old man who was suffering from muscular rheumatism: TEXT OF READING 5233-1 M 79 (Retired, Christian) Cayce found much that is very good about the general physical forces of this body. But there is, such anxiety about the general conditions and the reflexes that this brings on the very conditions which one fears. if there are good eliminations daily, sufficient exercise, physical, mental and spiritual, and an even balance or coordinant activity kept, we may live a full life expectancy. There were indulgences as to eat and drink. These have left their effect upon the circulation between the liver and the kidneys. Thus the cleansing of the alimentary canal, either by flushing at times with the mineral salts, at other times vegetable compounds, would be well. But the more preferable between these would be irrigation of the alimentary canal or cleansing the colon, using properties in combination which in the gallon of water put a heaping teaspoonful of salt and a level teaspoonful of baking soda. This dissolved and used in the water will be much preferable and will not make for a strain on the body. Use a tablespoon of plain Petrolagar stirred in the last quart and a half for the rinse water. Sweats and massages and a general circulation by specifice exercises will keep this body physically satisfactory. Can a cure be effected for chronic bronchitis? (A) This will be improved as nature responds through increased or bettered circulation, with less and less poisons in the system. (Q) What can be done for muscular rheumatism? Do these things indicated and the conditions where there is the effect to heart, liver, lungs and kidneys will be improved; which all are a part of the general conditions here. Be moderate in all things; not to excess in any, and we'll have the 98 years of expectancy in this experience, if ye live to deserve it. But what can you give to others? Unless you have something to give, what right have you to be in the way of others? Have something to give; you may live as long as ye are worthy. For a female 3255-1 F 64 The body should consider as to the sources and causes for the neuritic and neurotic conditions that exist through the body. This is what might ordinarily be called a condition wherein the general taxation has run down the battery for the body; that is, the toxic forces in the body have become excessive. Thus there are pains in the arms, or shoulders at times, in the back, through the lower limbs and through the abdominal area. All of these come and go, dependent upon how well and how thoroughly the eliminations are in the body, and as to whether in the diet the body keeps the general physical forces alkaline or allows the greater portion to become acid. Then we have those reflexes that cause some disturbance with the heart, with the kidneys and with the liver. These all arise from toxic forces that affect naturally (for, as the body battery is) heart, liver, lungs and kidneys. These must coordinate. When they do not, some portion of it is going to revert. Take at least once each week a general hydrotherapy treatment. This should include a cabinet sweat followed by a thorough rubdown. About every twenty days have a high colonic irrigation, until there is no reaction of mucous in the stool at all. After the sweat bath there should be the needle baths or showers followed by the massages. In the diet beware of too much starches or too much combinations of proteins with starches. Keep the eliminations better with the use of minerals for this body rather than vegetable laxatives. Owing to the batteries as it were - liver, kidneys and heart - being run down. The Edgar Cayce readings consistently maintain that the liver and kidneys serve as the " batteries of the body. " The liver is said to be the positive pole of the battery, the kidneys the negative. Thus, when the liver and kidneys are deficient in their functioning, the body's battery may be said to have run down. Fatigue and low vitality are the result. These features are common in people with fibromyalgia. Note the emphasis on maintaining a proper alkaline/acid balance. Keeping the system slightly alkaline was encouraged by Edgar Cayce. The standard diet recommended by Cayce is helpful in this direction. This woman was told to obtain colonic irrigations, fume baths and massage, and to use a mild laxative. Thus, internal cleansing was a major emphasis in the treatment plan for this person. TEXT OF READING 1655-1 F 24 Thus we have a complication, for the disturbing forces within this body are produced by the deflection of energies owing to adhesions as well as subluxations that exist in the cerebrospinal system, from lesions having formed from the disturbance through the periods when the temperature was high. Some time back there were those conditions produced by an intestinal flu; and the condition produced in the ascending colon, and in the areas of the caecum as well as those farther up - or as related to the emptying of the duodenum; and also from inflammatory conditions - the right ovary. All of these have produced and do produce the conditions where a neuritic, rheumatic effect has existed; and the effects of the poison, and the pressures upon the tissue through the area and the activity of same upon the organs of assimilation, are the seat and the cause of the disturbance. .. The lesions as formed from same, as we find, are in the 8th and 9th dorsal; as well as reflexes from the 4th and 5th dorsal areas. These also affect sympathetically those in the lumbar axis. For as the body has given way in the structural activity to these, there tends to be an unbalancing in the pelvic bone. Thus we have a disturbance in the lumbar axis. with the lack of proper eliminations, and overactivity mentally OR physically - the body tends to tire easily. Also a reaction is caused from the lack of the full eliminations; as does cold or congestion of any nature; upsetting the digestive system as well as the activities of the organs of the pelvis during Periods; and the general tired and headachey feeling, with an aching all over when there are disturbances. These as we find, then, may be entirely eliminated - if there is sufficient time and precaution taken for the body We would have at least eight to ten deep osteopathic manipulations and adjustments for the areas indicated; the dorsal, lumbar AND the areas through the cervical and the rest of the dorsal, making for coordinating with the general activities. In taking the manipulations osteopathically, have a GENERAL treatment once a week and a specific treatment once a week; that is, make the corrections in the 4th and 5th and 6th dorsal, 9th dorsal, 4th lumbar once a week, with a general coordination; and then have a GENERAL treatment throughout the whole of the cerebrospinal system another time during the same week. Hence two treatments a week should be given, and fourteen or fifteen such treatments - half general and half specific - should be sufficient. use of Codiron as a tonic. Take two tablets each day, one at noon, one at evening - until at least fifty have been taken. For the disturbance through the colon, and the activity for the general forces of the repressions produced in the ovary activity, we would prepare and take a compound which will - with the properties in the Codiron - work well with the body. Prepare same in this way and manner: To 2 ounces of Strained Honey add 2 ounces of Distilled Water. Let this come to a boil. Skim off all refuse, and when nearly cool, to this as the carrier, add - in the ORDER NAMED: Pure Grain Alcohol................1 1/2 ounces, Fusion or Elixir of Wild Ginseng....1/4 ounce, Essence of Indian Turnip............1/2 dram, Tincture of Stillingia..............1/4 ounce. Shake the solution well before each dose is taken, which would be a teaspoonful before the morning meal and one just before retiring - until the whole quantity has been taken. When there is pain or repressions, during those periods of activities in elimination from the body, use the saturated solution of Epsom Salts in Packs across the small of the back and over the lower portion of the abdomen. There will not be required more than the change once or twice for same, and such Packs should be applied hot - to the body direct. Use heavy cloths, you see, with other dry cloths or towels laid over same. The diet should be well-balanced. Keep away from too much of sweets, too much of starches. Use rather the honey in the honeycomb as the sweet. Most of the starches should be rather in whole wheat, or such natures. Vegetables, nuts and fruits should form the principal portion of the diet. As to potatoes or such starches, only eat the jackets or that part close to same - or eat more of the peel than the pulp itself. In the activities of the body keep in the open as much as possible. Readings 1655-1 and 1655-2 provide further documentation on the causes and treatment of fibromyalgia. Most likely, fibromyalgia can be produced by a variety of factors. One pattern is that the individuals suffer a prolonged episode of the flu or other infectious disorder from which they never fully recover. Edgar Cayce described this pattern in reading 1655-1: Some time back there were those conditions produced by an intestinal flu; and the condition produced in the ascending colon, and in the areas of the caecum as well as those farther up - or as related to the emptying of the duodenum; and also from inflammatory conditions - the right ovary. All of these have produced and do produce the conditions where a neuritic, rheumatic effect has existed; and the effects of the poison, and the pressures upon the tissue through the area and the activity of same upon the organs of assimilation, are the seat and the cause of the disturbance... All of these are the disturbances through the activities for this body. While, through care and attention, these do not produce so much disturbance, we find that at times - with the lack of proper eliminations, and overactivity mentally OR physically - the body tends to tire easily. Also a reaction is caused from the lack of the full eliminations; as does cold or congestion of any nature; upsetting the digestive system as well as the activities of the organs of the pelvis during Periods; and the general tired and headachey feeling, with an aching all over when there are disturbances. (1655-1) The mental/emotional aspects of the condition were addressed in the second reading for this woman: (Q) Is part of my seeming illness mental? (A) The attitude, of course, has much to do; but it is rather the physical condition creating the mental. But make for more hopeful, more helpful, more constructive thinking - and this would improve the general condition much. (1655-2) The treatment plan for this person recommended moderate outdoor exercise and a basic diet with emphasis on fruits and vegetables. Manual therapy (spinal manipulations) was suggested relieve pressures along the spine and improve functioning of the hepatic and digestive systems. Castor oil packs were recommended to assist with eliminations and relax the body. A ginseng tonic to assist with digestion and eliminations was prescribed. Minute dosages of beef juice was recommended to increase vitality. OVERVIEW OF THERAPEUTIC REGIME The treatments recommended in the Cayce readings on fibromyalgia are mainly directed toward improving the digestive, circulatory, nervous, and eliminating systems. Diet, moderate exercise, a mild form of energy medicine (Radial Appliance), spinal manipulations and general massage, colon irrigation, and castor oil packs are therapies intended to improve these vital systemic functions. As was typical of Cayce's holistic approach, the mental and spiritual aspects of therapy were emphasized. Here are the basic therapies recommended for the treatment of fibromyalgia based on the Cayce information on this disorder: 1. 1. INTERNAL CLEANSING: Hydrotherapy includes drinking six to eight glasses of pure water daily, colonic irrigations (preferably) or enemas, and a cleansing diet of fresh fruits and vegetables. 2. Castor oil packs across the abdomen are recommended to improve eliminations through the liver and colon. Mild laxatives may be helpful if constipation is a problem. Fume baths assist with elimination of toxins through the skin. 3. MANUAL THERAPY (SPINAL MANIPULATION AND MASSAGE): Osteopathic or chiropractic treatment is recommended to relieve any pressures that may be hindering circulation and decreasing eliminations. Gentle massage is suggested to relax the body and improve circulation and eliminations. 4. DIET: The Basic Cayce Diet is intended to improve assimilation and elimination. The diet focuses heavily on keeping a proper alkaline/acid balance while avoiding foods which produce toxicity and drain the system. Essentially, the diet consists mainly of fruits and vegetables while avoiding fried foods and refined carbohydrates ( " junk food " ). Certain food combinations are emphasized. 5. ENERGY MEDICINE: In addition to the above therapies which will tend to improve circulation, the Radial Appliance is recommended to further assist in increasing relaxation and nervous system coordination. Edgar Cayce said that this appliance would be helpful for anyone having problems with disturbed sleep and fatigue. 6. MEDICINE: A ginseng tonic is recommended to improve digestion and eliminations. Small dosages of beef juice are recommended for persons who experience significant fatigue and lack of vitality. 7. MODERATE EXERCISE: Walking or other moderate exercise is recommended. Be outdoors in the open as much as possible. 8. ATTITUDES AND EMOTIONS: The mental and emotional aspects of healing are frequently discussed in the Cayce readings. Particularly, an attitude of desiring and expecting to be healed is important. A positive mental and emotional attitude and can be created and maintained by focusing on a high purpose (ideal) for being healed. *FIBROMYALGIA LINKED TO IBS* The Edgar Cayce readings consistently maintain that problems in the bowel can produce systemic conditions. A recent medical study echoes this theme. Researchers at the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Los Angeles,California may have discovered a simple test that links fibromyalgia (acondition manifesting as muscle pain) with irritable bowel syndrome (orIBS, a condition involving abdominal pain, bloating, and diarrhea). The lactulose breath test (LBT) is used to assess for the presence of microbes in the bowel in cases of IBS. Some previous studies have found that nearly one-third of fibromyalgia patients also have IBS. The study, published in the Annals of the Rheumatic Diseases (April2004), explored the hypothesis that LBT would be abnormal in both IBS and fibromyalgia patients. The researchers recruited 42 fibromyalgia patients, 111 IBS patients, and 15 healthy control subjects who were given the LBT. All the patients with fibromyalgia exhibited abnormal LBT results compared to 84 percent in the IBS group and 20 percent in the control group. Furthermore, the amount of hydrogen gas detected in the LBT correlated with the level of pain in the fibromyalgia patients. The researchers noted that further studies would be needed to determine if treatment and normalization of the LBT with antibiotics can produce improvement in fibromyalgia symptoms. Further information on other therapies and other ailments will be found at my web site. Go to http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/ adding to this would be spiritual/reiki healing phil In , Lars Hedstr ö m <lars wrote: > > Hi everybody. > > What is the cause of fibromyalgia do you think and is there a good cure? > > As for the real cause of fibromyalgia, it is a modern disease and modern diseases are usally caused by humans in one why or another, environmental pollution, additives and preservatives, trash food etc > > Lars > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2007 In my opinion, based on what I've learned because my Mom also was diagnosed with fibromyalgia, fibro is largely due to toxic build-up in the body. We've tried a ton of stuff with my Mom, who had chemical exposure as a teen and also had several types of metals in her mouth at the same time (creates a battery-like effect). Most effective for pain for her was devil's claw but it can only be taken for a few months at a time. I bought an ionic footbath a year and a half ago and after 25 treatments her body was pain-free except for migraines which I think are because of her metal fillings and possibly food allergies which she won't deal with at this time. I've given her some liquid zeolite to try out since it got rid of my daughter's migraines that were related to mercury in the brain. Important are to stay away from chemicals and acidic foods like dairy, pork, caffeine, sugar, etc. and drink lots of water to wash out toxins. I recently discovered a new anti-inflammatory and will ask my Mom to try it out since it's eliminated fibromyalgia symptoms in some people I know. It prevents inflammation from taking place and takes about two weeks to kick in. Be careful when getting of meds. Read all the stuff that comes with it, side effects, etc and ask your pharmacist or doctor about reducing dosages or eliminating since quitting some medications suddenly can be deadly. What kind of allergies do you have? Sharon holistic-health , " Patty Sparks " <pattybraud wrote: > > I have recently been diagnosed with fibromyalgia and my doctor has put me on > pain meds, anti-inflammatory, back spasm meds, etc. I am taking about 6 > prescriptions between this and allergies..help!! I don't want to be doing > this the rest of my life! > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Hello I also have fibromyalgia. I am always with pains and tired. Could you tell me what is an ionic footbath? thank you patricia Re: fibromyalgia Posted by: hotmocha energy_now Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:24 pm (PST) In my opinion, based on what I've learned because my Mom also was diagnosed with fibromyalgia, fibro is largely due to toxic build-up in the body. We've tried a ton of stuff with my Mom, who had chemical exposure as a teen and also had several types of metals in her mouth at the same time (creates a battery-like effect). Most effective for pain for her was devil's claw but it can only be taken for a few months at a time. I bought an ionic footbath a year and a half ago and after 25 treatments her body was pain-free except for migraines which I think are because of her metal fillings and possibly food allergies which she won't deal with at this time. I've given her some liquid zeolite to try out since it got rid of my daughter's migraines that were related to mercury in the brain. Important are to stay away from chemicals and acidic foods like dairy, pork, caffeine, sugar, etc. and drink lots of water to wash out toxins. I recently discovered a new anti-inflammatory and will ask my Mom to try it out since it's eliminated fibromyalgia symptoms in some people I know. It prevents inflammation from taking place and takes about two weeks to kick in. Be careful when getting of meds. Read all the stuff that comes with it, side effects, etc and ask your pharmacist or doctor about reducing dosages or eliminating since quitting some medications suddenly can be deadly. What kind of allergies do you have? Sharon ______________________________\ ____ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv./collections/265 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Most insurance I have found does not cover non-traditional medical care. You would have to call your insurance company to find out if they do. Quantum biofeedback has made wonderful progress in helping to treat Chronic Fatigue/ Epstein Barr along with the other symptoms you mentioned. You might consider it...and it is tax deductible even if your insurance doesn't cover it. Some companies do cover Biofeedback. Jenny Kernan Quantum Biofeedback Therapist --- Nikki <deckedoutdoggies wrote: > Hi everyone, > My name is Nikki and I have been suffering with > epstein barr > syndrome for the last 1 1/2 years (at least). My > white blood cell > count is always very low and I have chronic fatigue > syndrome. I have > always been a very active person and have been > athletic my entire > life. A few years ago I was gang raped and my > physical and mental > health has gone downhill ever since. I've gained > about 60 pounds > since then, kept myself at home almost 24/7, as I am > scared to go > out and 1 1/2 weeks ago got hit in my van with a > transport truck. > Now I am in serious pain and take pain killers most > of the time. > Although my husband wants to be supportive, he is > losing patience > with me. I want to go out and seek help but am > scared to death. I > suffer from 'social anxiety disorder' and often have > panic attacks > so although I know I need to get some help I just am > not sure if I > can follow through or not. > Do any of you know if blue cross covers Naturalpath > Doctor? I found > a doctor not far from where I live and she has a BSc > and ND degree > and offers alternative treatments. I guess I should > phone my > bluecross and ask them. > Can any of you suggest a group here that has others > suffering > through this or anything similar? I really need some > kind of support > here because my husbands support is fading. > I know I've really said a lot but I am not sure > where else to turn. > Thanks > Nikki > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 28, 2007 ---nikki where aqre you wishing you much support ... keep talking to us phill In , " Nikki " <deckedoutdoggies wrote: > > Hi everyone, > My name is Nikki and I have been suffering with epstein barr > syndrome for the last 1 1/2 years (at least). My white blood cell > count is always very low and I have chronic fatigue syndrome. I have > always been a very active person and have been athletic my entire > life. A few years ago I was gang raped and my physical and mental > health has gone downhill ever since. I've gained about 60 pounds > since then, kept myself at home almost 24/7, as I am scared to go > out and 1 1/2 weeks ago got hit in my van with a transport truck. > Now I am in serious pain and take pain killers most of the time. > Although my husband wants to be supportive, he is losing patience > with me. I want to go out and seek help but am scared to death. I > suffer from 'social anxiety disorder' and often have panic attacks > so although I know I need to get some help I just am not sure if I > can follow through or not. > Do any of you know if blue cross covers Naturalpath Doctor? I found > a doctor not far from where I live and she has a BSc and ND degree > and offers alternative treatments. I guess I should phone my > bluecross and ask them. > Can any of you suggest a group here that has others suffering > through this or anything similar? I really need some kind of support > here because my husbands support is fading. > I know I've really said a lot but I am not sure where else to turn. > Thanks > Nikki > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 1, 2007 Hi, I know what you are going through and I am so sorry. This disease has so many disorders associated with it and the only thing you can do is treat the symptoms as they appear. I have been suffering from Fibro offically for 7 years. The worst part has been the other disorders that have developed over time. I was told by an alternative medicine doctor to get alot of sun. That my muscles needed more melanin, from direct or artificial sunlight. I choose to use a tanning bed and it has helped with the muscle atrophy. I was in a rollover car accident around 7 months ago and was bedridden for a few months. Getting out of my routines and trying to stay active made my muscles extremely painful. I couldn't even be touched without flinching. Painful to even hug my children. Luckily my husband is a RN. He helped me to rehab, learn to read, write, walk, talk, etc at home because I hadn't used my muscles enough to be able to even walk to the car. My muscles have atrophied but I am starting to become active again. Every day is a struggle. The most important thing is to try to move all of your muscles everyday even if just for a few minutes. The worst thing to do is give in to the pain. I did and this road back is sooooo hard! Use heat, massage your muscles, move them, a massage shower head is wonderful, esp for the shoulders. I have a lot of info on Fibro and many books. I can always look up an answer for you if you need it. Oh you can also expect to develop Fibro fog, basically memory loss and confussion. That I didn't expect. I didn't even know till recently that it was from Fibro. I'm sorry for rambling on. If you have any questions please contact me. Oh, also many of us get to the point that it is too painful to move with medication. I wear a Duragesic Fentynal Patch 100mcg. Equal to 400 mg of morphine a day and I take Soma for the Muscle cramps and Requip for the restless leg syndrome, plus a ton of other meds. But thats just part of dealing with this horrible and confusing illness. I wish you the best. Let me know if you need anything else. Blessings, Monica , cowluver01 wrote: > > Does anyone have any suggestions on Fibramyalga??...........Recently > diagnosed with it and was wanting to know if there were some answers other then > medicine that has so many side effects...........Thanks..........Linda > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 1, 2007 Nikki: God Bless You; I will keep you in my prayers, but remember, this too, shall pass. I don't know whether BCBS covers Naturalpath but I would suspect not. Perhaps you can call their 800 number and ask if u can find it online. , " pjb12345uk " <pho wrote: > " Nikki " > <deckedoutdoggies@> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > My name is Nikki and I have been suffering with epstein barr > > syndrome for the last 1 1/2 years (at least). My white blood cell > > count is always very low and I have chronic fatigue syndrome. I > have > > always been a very active person and have been athletic my entire > > life. A few years ago I was gang raped and my physical and mental > > health has gone downhill ever since. I've gained about 60 pounds > > since then, kept myself at home almost 24/7, as I am scared to go > > out and 1 1/2 weeks ago got hit in my van with a transport truck. > > Now I am in serious pain and take pain killers most of the time. > > Although my husband wants to be supportive, he is losing patience > > with me. I want to go out and seek help but am scared to death. I > > suffer from 'social anxiety disorder' and often have panic attacks > > so although I know I need to get some help I just am not sure if I > > can follow through or not. > > Do any of you know if blue cross covers Naturalpath Doctor? I > found > > a doctor not far from where I live and she has a BSc and ND degree > > and offers alternative treatments. I guess I should phone my > > bluecross and ask them. > > Can any of you suggest a group here that has others suffering > > through this or anything similar? I really need some kind of > support > > here because my husbands support is fading. > > I know I've really said a lot but I am not sure where else to turn. > > Thanks > > Nikki > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 13, 2007 I found these links: http://www.aquachi.info/index.htm http://www.footdetoxx.com/store/comersus_listItems.asp also you can check out Ebay or even a spa in a big city near you. I found a spa in San Francisco that offers an ionic foot bath as one of their services! Good luck, Heddy holistic-health , patricia lima <bluemermaid_bis wrote: > > Hello > > I also have fibromyalgia. I am always with pains and > tired. Could you tell me what is an ionic footbath? > thank you > patricia > > Re: fibromyalgia > Posted by: hotmocha energy_now > Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:24 pm (PST) > In my opinion, based on what I've learned because my > Mom also was > diagnosed with fibromyalgia, fibro is largely due to > toxic build-up > in the body. > > We've tried a ton of stuff with my Mom, who had > chemical exposure as > a teen and also had several types of metals in her > mouth at the same > time (creates a battery-like effect). > > Most effective for pain for her was devil's claw but > it can only be > taken for a few months at a time. I bought an ionic > footbath a year > and a half ago and after 25 treatments her body was > pain-free except > for migraines which I think are because of her metal > fillings and > possibly food allergies which she won't deal with at > this time. > > I've given her some liquid zeolite to try out since it > got rid of my > daughter's migraines that were related to mercury in > the brain. > > Important are to stay away from chemicals and acidic > foods like > dairy, pork, caffeine, sugar, etc. and drink lots of > water to wash > out toxins. I recently discovered a new > anti-inflammatory and will > ask my Mom to try it out since it's eliminated > fibromyalgia symptoms > in some people I know. It prevents inflammation from > taking place > and takes about two weeks to kick in. > > Be careful when getting of meds. Read all the stuff > that comes with > it, side effects, etc and ask your pharmacist or > doctor about > reducing dosages or eliminating since quitting some > medications > suddenly can be deadly. > > What kind of allergies do you have? > > Sharon > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > http://tv./collections/265 > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 15, 2007 I have the Aqua Chi model and I really like it. Yesterday I had a " detox party " and one of the ladies there who had done foot detoxes for $75 (!!!!) in the past thought that the Aqua Chi made her feel better. She could feel tingling in her hands as it was energizing her. Sharon holistic-health , " Heddy " <heddy66 wrote: > > I found these links: > > http://www.aquachi.info/index.htm > > http://www.footdetoxx.com/store/comersus_listItems.asp > > also you can check out Ebay or even a spa in a big city near you. I > found a spa in San Francisco that offers an ionic foot bath as one of > their services! > > Good luck, > Heddy > > holistic-health , patricia lima > <bluemermaid_bis@> wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > I also have fibromyalgia. I am always with pains and > > tired. Could you tell me what is an ionic footbath? > > thank you > > patricia > > > > Re: fibromyalgia > > Posted by: hotmocha@ energy_now > > Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:24 pm (PST) > > In my opinion, based on what I've learned because my > > Mom also was > > diagnosed with fibromyalgia, fibro is largely due to > > toxic build-up > > in the body. > > > > We've tried a ton of stuff with my Mom, who had > > chemical exposure as > > a teen and also had several types of metals in her > > mouth at the same > > time (creates a battery-like effect). > > > > Most effective for pain for her was devil's claw but > > it can only be > > taken for a few months at a time. I bought an ionic > > footbath a year > > and a half ago and after 25 treatments her body was > > pain-free except > > for migraines which I think are because of her metal > > fillings and > > possibly food allergies which she won't deal with at > > this time. > > > > I've given her some liquid zeolite to try out since it > > got rid of my > > daughter's migraines that were related to mercury in > > the brain. > > > > Important are to stay away from chemicals and acidic > > foods like > > dairy, pork, caffeine, sugar, etc. and drink lots of > > water to wash > > out toxins. I recently discovered a new > > anti-inflammatory and will > > ask my Mom to try it out since it's eliminated > > fibromyalgia symptoms > > in some people I know. It prevents inflammation from > > taking place > > and takes about two weeks to kick in. > > > > Be careful when getting of meds. Read all the stuff > > that comes with > > it, side effects, etc and ask your pharmacist or > > doctor about > > reducing dosages or eliminating since quitting some > > medications > > suddenly can be deadly. > > > > What kind of allergies do you have? > > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > http://tv./collections/265 > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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