Mark Kincaid....5/16..... Fate of a person can be changed..

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Dear Friends:

 

Here's an interesting correspondence regarding the whole question of freedom

vs. determinism...or fate....

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Surya:

 

This is perhaps the most deep, and confusing, and even, controversial

aspects of Jyotish and of life...I can think of.

 

 

Life obviously has it deterministic aspects. Look at everything, it's

following some natural order, design and plan.

 

You plant a banana seed, and you're going to get a banana tree!

 

But, we also believe in freedom.

 

When you look at creation, in fact, you see such a whirlwind of galaxies and

Universes!

 

It's hard to imagine all 'that' was created in a bound, deterministic way,

though the creation itself, seems to follow many rules, and laws of nature.

 

So, it's a very confusing question determinism...and freedom.

 

We can take hope, however, because though the obvious signs of bondage,

boundries, and laws and rules are all around us;

we do have something inside of us that seems to be more free!

 

And that is our Consciousness or Soul....

 

A good case can then, be made for this aspect of our lives as being the

source of true freedom in life....

 

The verification of this idea or hope, can be found in actual experience.

 

When the mind, awareness, or attention, goes within, in fact, leaving the

outside, world, we can have a direct experience of this inner, though hidden

and abstract level of 'uncreated' life...

 

When the mind, even, transcends the relative existence...and has a direct

experience of the Unbounded field of pure Consciousness....

 

then, we can have a pure taste of unlimited freedom!

 

There are no limitations of even time and space in this experience....

and .....

 

funnily enough, when we come out of this state, we find ourselves....

 

thinking more clearly, more inner awake, and even self-confident, and more

intuitive...

 

In fact, everything about our life is found better.

 

So, if there's any case that can be made for a person being able to change

their fate or karma....it might be....

 

the ability to contact...this source of all .....

 

actions, karmas, and creation....

 

 

 

Practical experience also shows that.... people have the ability, to look

within,....and conquer their patterns, and bad habits, and compulsions...

 

Even Spiritually, there are those, highly evolved souls that tell us, that

Human Life, has the potential...of complete Mastery over creation.

 

There are even, many instances, in Vedic Knowledge, which are called,

Sidhis, or Mental Perfections, which are representative of the potential of

Human Consciousness, to transcend...and grow beyond not only the normal

constraints of past karmas or fate...

but also arrive at such a sublime level of Natural freedom from which real

Mastery can be lived....

 

Some of these include such 'sidhis', as Levitation, knowing anything at a

time, ability to go through walls, and many more.

 

There are some great Indian Vedic Seers, who say this is the real nature of

Human Beings...and is much more representative of the true,

freedom aspect of human life.....

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

In my experience, also, in addition to this Consciousness aspect, there is

the possibility to grow, more in-tune with each Planet through Jyotish,

which may also give great freedom to change one's karmas...and fate...

 

 

PS....for those of you who haven't heard, I also write a Jyotish

newsletter. It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well as other

aspects

of Jyotish as well. If you, or anyone else in this group is interested, in

subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: m.kincaid

 

I, also have a new /message board, called

which is a nice blending of both Western & Eastern

Astrologys. You can

check that out at:

 

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> surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

>

> Thu, 13 May 2004 04:00:48 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: Re: Fate of a person can be changed....MARK,Rohiniji and

> ALL

>

> I believe in different contexts both are vaild ..

>

> We should look at things with detachment maybe like

> watching a movie (where emotions rise and fall but

> dont shake ur ethos .. well at lesat in most cases) ..

>

> at the same time action cannot justify itself by mere

> supposition that nothing is in our hands !!

>

> I dont to " what happens has to happen "

> unless its a vipareet karma ... in all other cases we

> have our own say in what has to happen I guess ...

>

> Again I feel this is a difference between reality and

> percieved reality ... all that happens around is

> reality and surely not a movie .. however how we

> percieve it is the movie we to !!

>

> I believe god simply creates the situations that we

> muse undergo to learn reality from the point of view

> of our reality ... he however in most cases leaves the

> outcome to our own actions !!

>

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

>> First we would have to have an absolute definition

>> for sin!

>> Sometimes what shows up as a sin and crime in a

>> narrow one lifetime

>> view looks differently when the full picture can be

>> viewed. However,

>> for most of us that takes us into the realm of

>> speculations and

>> discussion becomes fruitless. Just as it is not

>> possible to discuss

>> if we begin with the faith that everything is

>> predetermined.

>>

>> If everything is predetermined, then we are all

>> puppets and there

>> can be no personal responsibility, no sin, no crime.

>> The

>> newage/hippy experiement based on that ideology

>> unfortunately did

>> not work too long, once the music stopped and the

>> smoke cleared!

>>

>>

>> , Shripal

>> <askvbnet>

>> wrote:

>>> Hi MARK,Rohiniji and ALL,

>>> Can we think a little different way,as Lord has

>>> said

>>> " whatever is going to happen is going to Happen

>> ,No

>>> one in this universe can change that,not even lord

>>> himself "

>>> What I understand from this statement is that,

>>>

>>> World is like a movie,God has made it,every thing

>> and

>>> each and every character is decided,Not only I am

>>> talking about yugas,But of all the yugas,From a

>> time

>>> of making of this world to end of this world or

>> movie.

>>> Karmas are terms that we use,Nothing such a sort

>>> exists.Every thing is a way it is ,and it has been

>>> decided.

>>>

>>> But please let me know from you all,who is a first

>>> person who did a sin,had a birth or died.

>>>

>>> That's what i am trying to say,Like movies you

>> have to

>>> start with something and that goes on,there is no

>>> start point nor even ending.So how karmas,prarapdh

>> or

>>> good deeds come in to an action.When this movies

>> will

>>> over.

>>>

>>> Agian a new movies will be created by him,again

>>> various

>>> character will be there,again I will be writing a

>> same

>>> mail.

>>>

>>> There is no end to this,It is made the way it has

>> to

>>> be.

>>>

>>> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

>>>

>>> I have come across such individuals, but not many.

>>> And,

>>> interpretations vary from one person to another,

>> even

>>> when

>>> individuals are judging the same person (and of

>>> course, it is always

>>> the other person who is sadly mistaken in this

>>> reality!;-)

>>>

>>> Anyway, if we look deep enough, there is always a

>>> shred of

>>> selfishness there. Not that it is by itself bad.

>> The

>>> point I was

>>> making was that it does not have to be a pure

>> intent

>>> or consistently

>>> pure intent or even an intent that is universally

>>> perceived as pure.

>>> Action is what matters. Often, given our narrow,

>>> amnesic

>>> perspective, we are poor judges of intent anyway.

>> If

>>> we engage in

>>> action, soul-statistics takes care of itself.

>>> What you all think about this?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

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