Bhagwan Ram's birth details for March 14, 157 BCE are fundamentally wrong!

October 23, 2008

Dear

All,

Namaskar!

A

copy of post No. 2669 of Nov. 15, 2007 at HinduCalendar forum.

Regards,

AKK

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Shri

Sreenadhji,

Namaskar!

You

have just wasted a lot of time of everybody and all it has proved is an

exercise in futility instead of the correct planetary position of Bhagwan

Ram! It has been a big let down for everybody!

Your

calculations are based on JHora and JHora is a software prepared by a

" Vedic astrologer " ! As that " Vedic astrologer " claims to

make correct predictions from JHora, you should have recalled my statement that

I have repeated a thousand times: " Vedic

astrologers can make correct predictions only from incorrect data " , which

means the accuracy of that software was doubtful!

As

such, all the details provided by you in various forums for March 14, 157 BCE for 9-15 PM (LMT

Ayodhya) on the basis of JHora are fundamentally incorrect!

You

could have at least checked the details of the sun and the moon, besides tithi,

nakshatra etc. from " Vishnu " program that I have prepared and

verified the results before " displaying them for universal

exhibition " .

In

any case, I am giving, at the end, planetary positions as per following

software:

1.

Vishnu Program

2.

JPL Interactive Horizon Ephemeris.

3.

Swiss Ephemeris

All

these three programs are free and can be downloaded by anybody from the

respective sites.

4.

To make doubly sure, I have also given the results as per VSOP87.

Also

included are the planetary positions as per JHora.

I

must put on record that JHora, like the " Vedic astrologers "

themselves, is a highly inaccurate software since neither is the Moon in Cancer

(it is in Taurus!) nor the Venus in Taurus (it is in Aries). Thus neither is

the tithi as Navmi (it is Shashthi!) nor the nakshatra as Punarvasu (it is

Mrigashra) at 9-15 pm LMT for

Ayodhya on March

14, 157 BCE. There is

a difference of several degrees in the longitudes of other planets as well.

As

such, please stop all this hue and cry of having hit the bull's eye about

correct date and time of the birth chart of Bhagwan Rama as March 14, 157 BC, 9-15 PM !

Regards.

Avtar

Krishen Kaul

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VISHNU PROGRAM (Dt: 14, 1, -157 (i.e. 157 BC); ET =

15,45,0; Delta T = 12163 seconds)

Sun: 351-0-23; Moon 54-29-51; Rahu: 61-23-34; Tithi Panchami up to

13-33; Nak = Rohini up to 18-53

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JPL Horizon Interactive Ephemeris

Date__(UT)__HR:MN

R.A.__(a-apparent)__DEC Cnst

CT-UT ObsEcLon ObsEcLat

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Sun

b0157-Mar-14 15:45 23 27 01.17 -03 36

17.0 Psc 12161.065922 351.0063133 0.0000340

Moon

b0157-Mar-14 15:45 03 28 47.45 +18 38

08.8 Tau 12161.065922 54.4915556 -0.4902773

Mer

b0157-Mar-14 15:45 22 22 17.18 -12 47

47.0 Psc 12161.065922 332.6975235 -2.3259770

Venus

b0157-Mar-14 15:45 01 43 00.52 +11 51

03.5 Tau 12161.065922 28.1626418 0.9743443

Mars

b0157-Mar-14 15:45 19 52 09.33 -22 20

10.5 Cap 12161.065922 295.7779512 -1.1228396

Jupiter

b0157-Mar-14 15:45 06 12 54.05 +24 19

06.0 Cnc 12161.065922 92.9389427 0.6362116

Saturn

b0157-Mar-14 15:45 20 52 46.74 -19 03

41.4 Aqr 12161.065922 310.3236169 -1.2531484

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SWISS EPHEMERIS

Planet Positions

from Swiss Ephemeris

14.3.-156 (157

B.C.) jul. 15:45:00 UT

delta t:

12162.783368 sec jd (ET) = 1664152.297023

Ecl.

obl. 23°42'55.9839

23°42'51.0175 (true, mean)

Nutation

-0° 0'14.3330 0° 0' 4.9664 (dpsi, deps)

ecl. long. ecl.

lat.

dist.

speed house

Sun

21 pi 0'25.9252 0° 0' 0.0651

1.004232337 0°58'38.5467 5.4479

Moon

24 ta 30' 9.3752 -0°29'22.1116

0.002692591 11°53'56.2976 7.7389

Mercury

2 pi 41'54.4017 -2°19'33.5310

1.219369742 1°42'42.5224 4.8739

Venus

28 ar 9'48.8651 0°58'27.5253

1.183959312 1°10'33.5965 6.7998

Mars

25 cp 46'44.3281 -1° 7'22.2152

1.712782352 0°45'25.2075 3.7236

Jupiter

2 cn 56'22.3535 0°38'10.2382

5.025734823 0° 2'22.1085 9.0054

Saturn

10 aq 19'28.2380 -1°15'11.2955

10.405460233 0° 6'10.3937 4.1727

Uranus

10 ta 38'35.1712 -0°15'35.6556

19.946191844 0° 2'32.6047 7.2627

Neptune 4 sa

58'44.5360 1°24'15.3085 29.967116880

-0° 0' 8.8151 2.0860

Pluto

4 pi 8'27.4361 -16° 8'44.7121

46.582511601 0° 1'26.6554 5.0163

mean

Node 1 ge 23'19.9287 0° 0'

0.0000 0.002569555 -0° 3'10.6710

7.9734

true

Node 0 ge 1'28.0071 0° 0'

0.0000 0.002683585 -0° 0'35.6759

7.9276

AC

: 3 sc 10' 0 "

MC

: 5 le 1'41 "

VSOP87

DeltaT =

+11198s; ET = 6:51:38 PM Mar 14 0157 BC; ST = 06:08:01

Point

Longitude

Travel

Latitude

Rt.Asc. Decl.

Azi(0°N) Alti.

Sun

20°Pi59´44´´

+00°59´

+00°00´

351°45´

-03°37´

290°53´

-41°45´

Mon

24°Ta34´01´´

+11°54´

-00°29´

052°16´

+18°39´

280°53´

+21°08´

Mer

02°Pi41

+01°43´

-02°20´

335°33´

-12°48´

292°28´

-60°11´

Ven

28°Ar09

+01°11´

+00°58´

025°44´

+11°51´

285°53´

-04°52´

Mar

25°Cp46

+00°45´

-01°07´

298°02´

-22°20´

064°30´

-80°21´

Jup

02°Cn56

+00°02´

+00°38´

093°14´

+24°19´

273°07´

+59°07´

Sat

10°Aq19

+00°06´

-01°15´

313°12´

-19°04´

324°29´

-80°38´

´

Nod 00°Ge06 R

-00°01´

+00°00´

057°52´

+20°24´

280°34´

+26°41´

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J HORA

Body

Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna

5 Sc 42' 49.86 " Anu

1 Sc Le

Sun -

BK 23 Pi 55'

51.04 " Reva 3

Pi Aq

Moon -

DK 1 Cn 00'

29.46 " Puna 4

Cn Cn

Mars -

AmK 28 Cp 02' 52.78 "

Dhan 2 Cp Vi

Mercury -

PiK 7 Pi 56' 37.91 "

UBha 2 Pi Vi

Jupiter -

PK 3 Cn 04' 22.20 "

Puna 4 Cn Cn

Venus -

GK 1 Ta 40' 40.83 "

Krit 2 Ta Cp

Saturn -

MK 10 Aq 38' 03.76 "

Sata 2 Aq Cp

Rahu -

AK 1 Ge 13'

50.34 " Mrig 3

Ge Li

Ketu

1 Sg 13' 50.34 " Mool 1

Sg Ar

Uranus

10 Ta 46' 38.11 " Rohi 1

Ta Ar

Neptune

® 4 Sg 58' 04.63 "

Mool 2 Sg Ta

Pluto

4 Pi 12' 45.84 " UBha 1

Pi Le

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October 23, 2008

Venus jumped signes in JPL , "jyotirved" <jyotirved wrote:>> Dear All,> > Namaskar!> > A copy of post No. 2669 of Nov. 15, 2007 at HinduCalendar forum. > > Regards,> > AKK> > **** ***** ****** ******* ******> ****> > Shri Sreenadhji,> > Namaskar!> > > > You have just wasted a lot of time of everybody and all it has proved is an> exercise in futility instead of the correct planetary position of Bhagwan> Ram! It has been a big let down for everybody!> > > > Your calculations are based on JHora and JHora is a software prepared by a> "Vedic astrologer"! As that "Vedic astrologer" claims to make correct> predictions from JHora, you should have recalled my statement that I have> repeated a thousand times: "Vedic astrologers can make correct predictions> only from incorrect data", which means the accuracy of that software was> doubtful!> > > > As such, all the details provided by you in various forums for March 14, 157> BCE for 9-15 PM (LMT Ayodhya) on the basis of JHora are fundamentally> incorrect!> > > > You could have at least checked the details of the sun and the moon, besides> tithi, nakshatra etc. from "Vishnu" program that I have prepared and> verified the results before "displaying them for universal exhibition".> > > > In any case, I am giving, at the end, planetary positions as per following> software:> > 1. Vishnu Program> > 2. JPL Interactive Horizon Ephemeris.> > 3. Swiss Ephemeris > > All these three programs are free and can be downloaded by anybody from the> respective sites.> > > > 4. To make doubly sure, I have also given the results as per VSOP87.> > > > Also included are the planetary positions as per JHora.> > > > I must put on record that JHora, like the "Vedic astrologers" themselves, is> a highly inaccurate software since neither is the Moon in Cancer (it is in> Taurus!) nor the Venus in Taurus (it is in Aries). Thus neither is the tithi> as Navmi (it is Shashthi!) nor the nakshatra as Punarvasu (it is Mrigashra)> at 9-15 pm LMT for Ayodhya on March 14, 157 BCE. There is a difference of> several degrees in the longitudes of other planets as well.> > > > As such, please stop all this hue and cry of having hit the bull's eye about> correct date and time of the birth chart of Bhagwan Rama as March 14, 157> BC, 9-15 PM ! > > Regards.> > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > > > ****** ****** ****** **** **** **** ****> **** ****> > > > VISHNU PROGRAM (Dt: 14, 1, -157 (i.e. 157 BC); ET = 15,45,0; Delta T => 12163 seconds)> > > > Sun: 351-0-23; Moon 54-29-51; Rahu: 61-23-34; Tithi Panchami up to 13-33;> Nak = Rohini up to 18-53> > > > ******** ***** ****** *****> > JPL Horizon Interactive Ephemeris> > Date__(UT)__HR:MN R.A.__(a-apparent)__DEC Cnst CT-UT ObsEcLon> ObsEcLat> > ****************************************************************************> ************> > Sun> > b0157-Mar-14 15:45 23 27 01.17 -03 36 17.0 Psc 12161.065922 351.0063133> 0.0000340> > > > Moon> > b0157-Mar-14 15:45 03 28 47.45 +18 38 08.8 Tau 12161.065922 54.4915556> -0.4902773> > > > Mer> > b0157-Mar-14 15:45 22 22 17.18 -12 47 47.0 Psc 12161.065922 332.6975235> -2.3259770> > > > Venus> > b0157-Mar-14 15:45 01 43 00.52 +11 51 03.5 Tau 12161.065922 28.1626418> 0.9743443> > > > Mars> > b0157-Mar-14 15:45 19 52 09.33 -22 20 10.5 Cap 12161.065922 295.7779512> -1.1228396> > > > Jupiter> > b0157-Mar-14 15:45 06 12 54.05 +24 19 06.0 Cnc 12161.065922 92.9389427> 0.6362116> > Saturn> > b0157-Mar-14 15:45 20 52 46.74 -19 03 41.4 Aqr 12161.065922 310.3236169> -1.2531484> > **** **** ****> ***** *** ***> > SWISS EPHEMERIS> > Planet Positions from Swiss Ephemeris > > > > 14.3.-156 (157 B.C.) jul. 15:45:00 UT> > delta t: 12162.783368 sec jd (ET) = 1664152.297023> > > > Ecl. obl. 23°42'55.9839 23°42'51.0175 (true, mean)> > Nutation -0° 0'14.3330 0° 0' 4.9664 (dpsi, deps)> > > > ecl. long. ecl. lat. dist. speed> house> > Sun 21 pi 0'25.9252 0° 0' 0.0651 1.004232337 0°58'38.5467> 5.4479> > Moon 24 ta 30' 9.3752 -0°29'22.1116 0.002692591 11°53'56.2976> 7.7389> > Mercury 2 pi 41'54.4017 -2°19'33.5310 1.219369742 1°42'42.5224> 4.8739> > Venus 28 ar 9'48.8651 0°58'27.5253 1.183959312 1°10'33.5965> 6.7998> > Mars 25 cp 46'44.3281 -1° 7'22.2152 1.712782352 0°45'25.2075> 3.7236> > Jupiter 2 cn 56'22.3535 0°38'10.2382 5.025734823 0° 2'22.1085> 9.0054> > Saturn 10 aq 19'28.2380 -1°15'11.2955 10.405460233 0° 6'10.3937> 4.1727> > Uranus 10 ta 38'35.1712 -0°15'35.6556 19.946191844 0° 2'32.6047> 7.2627> > Neptune 4 sa 58'44.5360 1°24'15.3085 29.967116880 -0° 0' 8.8151> 2.0860> > Pluto 4 pi 8'27.4361 -16° 8'44.7121 46.582511601 0° 1'26.6554> 5.0163> > mean Node 1 ge 23'19.9287 0° 0' 0.0000 0.002569555 -0° 3'10.6710> 7.9734> > true Node 0 ge 1'28.0071 0° 0' 0.0000 0.002683585 -0° 0'35.6759> 7.9276> > > > AC : 3 sc 10' 0"> > MC : 5 le 1'41"> > > > VSOP87> > > > > > DeltaT = +11198s; ET = 6:51:38 PM Mar 14 0157 BC; ST = 06:08:01> > > > Point Longitude Travel Latitude> Rt.Asc. Decl. Azi(0°N) Alti.> > Sun 20°Pi59´44´´ +00°59´ +00°00´ 351°45´> -03°37´ 290°53´ -41°45´> > Mon 24°Ta34´01´´ +11°54´ -00°29´ 052°16´> +18°39´ 280°53´ +21°08´> > Mer 02°Pi41 +01°43´ -02°20´> 335°33´ -12°48´ 292°28´ -60°11´> > Ven 28°Ar09 +01°11´ +00°58´ 025°44´> +11°51´ 285°53´ -04°52´> > Mar 25°Cp46 +00°45´ -01°07´> 298°02´ -22°20´ 064°30´ -80°21´> > Jup 02°Cn56 +00°02´ +00°38´ 093°14´> +24°19´ 273°07´ +59°07´> > Sat 10°Aq19 +00°06´ -01°15´> 313°12´ -19°04´ 324°29´ -80°38´> > ´ Nod 00°Ge06 R -00°01´ +00°00´ 057°52´> +20°24´ 280°34´ +26°41´> > > > *** **** ***** ****** *** ***> **** **** ****** *******> > J HORA> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > > > Lagna 5 Sc 42' 49.86" Anu 1 Sc Le> > Sun - BK 23 Pi 55' 51.04" Reva 3 Pi Aq> > Moon - DK 1 Cn 00' 29.46" Puna 4 Cn Cn> > Mars - AmK 28 Cp 02' 52.78" Dhan 2 Cp Vi> > Mercury - PiK 7 Pi 56' 37.91" UBha 2 Pi Vi> > Jupiter - PK 3 Cn 04' 22.20" Puna 4 Cn Cn> > Venus - GK 1 Ta 40' 40.83" Krit 2 Ta Cp> > Saturn - MK 10 Aq 38' 03.76" Sata 2 Aq Cp> > Rahu - AK 1 Ge 13' 50.34" Mrig 3 Ge Li> > Ketu 1 Sg 13' 50.34" Mool 1 Sg Ar> > Uranus 10 Ta 46' 38.11" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> > Neptune ® 4 Sg 58' 04.63" Mool 2 Sg Ta> > Pluto 4 Pi 12' 45.84" UBha 1 Pi Le> > **** ***** ****> **** ******>