lalkitabee ji Janma din ka grah

April 19, 2005

Dear Lalkitabee ji,

You have said :

To yahi main kehna chahoonga ki shani janm vakt

> aur janmdin dono ka grah hai. "

This NOT true.

December 1 , 1956 was a Friday. He was born on the night of

Thursday / Friday before sunrise. Hence for astrological purposes he

will be considered as born on a Thursday , because the day and the

tithi changes after the sunrise.

Therefore the janma din ka grah is Jupiter and not Saturn.

Sincerely,

Priya

lalkitab , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee> wrote:

>

> Respected Booshanpriya ji

> As u said That:-[ 1 ] Saturn is the janma waqt ka grah , in other

> words it is grah phal ka grah. Therefore where it is placed [ 2nd

> house ] here it will be considered as of grah phal. And upaya

> suggested for Saturn in the 2nd house will not be right.

>

> Answer is :- 2nd main mushtarka grah magal nek ke liye jaayain ya

> mangal bad ke iska faisla to 2nd main 4 planets ki kheench taan

main

> se hi nikaalna padegaa. Shani good to mangal nek ko jagah milegi

> shani bad to mangal bad ko.Lekin sawal to shani ke janmvaqt ka grah

> hone per atak gayaa. To yahi main kehna chahoonga ki shani janm

vakt

> aur janmdin dono ka grah hai isliye bura nahi hoga lekin bura ker

> liya ja saktaa hai.Jiske karan mangal nek hota hua bhi mangal bad

ban

> sakta hai.Isiliye iska upay likha gaya.Kyonki khana no. 2 ka asar

> khana no. 8 ke asar se juda nahi aur khana no. 12 ka planet guru

> khana no. 2 ke asar se juda nahi reh sakta.Isliye khana no. 2 ke

> major bad planet ko shubh karnaa jaroori hai taki shubh asar guru

ko

> miley ya khana no. 12 ko miley .Aur jo aapne likha hai ki khana no.

9

> ka saturn maantey hue upay karna hoga kyonki khana no. 9 Aagaz e

> kismat hai , to mere hisab se aap janm vaqt ke grah main kismat ka

> grah dhoondh rahi hain. Vo baat thik hai ki janm vaqt ka grah

kismat

> ka grah hota hai, lekin kismat se abhipray khana no. 9 mat liziye

> kyonki lalkitab main to ye bhi likha hai ki " ghar chal ker jo aavey

> dozey kismat ka ban jaata hai " Aur oosri taraf lalkitab main hi

likha

> hai ki

> Jab 9,3,5 khali ho to aaghaaz e kismat khana no. 2 ki marfat

jagegaa.

> AAp lalkitab main AAGHAAZ E KISMAT ka heading padhain.

> Ab sawal ye hai ki no.2 se nek kismat jagegi ya badkismat. Ye

faisla

> bhi shani ki nek ya bad halat per hi ho saktaa hai.Aur shani ki 2nd

> main kya importance hai main bol hi chuka hoon. Mere vichar se aap

> kismat ke grah ki talaash ki tartib ko padhain aur for khana no.2

ke

> heading ko padhain to sabhi kuchh clear ho jayegaa.

>

> 2.2 ]In order to ascertain which planet is causing Pitri-rin there

> are three conditions laid down in the Lal Kitab. All the three

> conditions have to be necessarily fulfilled before a planet is

> declared to be causing a Pitri rin. I wonder if Mars fulfills all

> those three conditions to be declared as a planet of rin. I worked

it

> out and it doesn't.

>

> ANSWER :- Yes u can see in 2nd conditions of PITRI RIN & at 3rd

stage

> 2,5,9,12 ki mandi halat ko dekho.How r these khana no. bad. I will

> reply after if u feel confusion.But do not forget to read jad

(ROOT) ki adla badli.that

> is y i found mangal rin grah & suggested remedy.Plz read pitri rin

ke

> grah again.

>

> But for god sake do not mix it with vaidic jyotish.I cant disscus

> with u by that cryteria. & we must clear doubts about the janmvaqt

ke grah & janmdin ke grah 1st of all.U must read again about this &

must observe example which has given in LK

>

> With regards

> Lalkitabee

>

> lalkitab , bhooshan priya

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalkitabee ji,

> >

> > Thanks for your kind words and the regard you have for me. Yes ,

> both of us might disagree on certain issues ; but that is the

> essence of all academic discussions. Differences open up new

insights

> and possibilities , some thing we all look forward to.

> >

> > Let me first explain as to why I prefer working out the

> Bhavspashth. You know that all the people born under a lagna will

> have identical planetary position , and that means roughly two

> hours. Now all the people born during those two hours will have an

> identical kundali. But they never have an identical life.

> Bhavspashtha is one of the methods to further narrow down the

> nativity , thus distinguishing one from another. Bhavspashtha is

the

> most scientific method known so far . And that is why I consider it

a

> very essential part of any astrological exercise , including when

> working with Lal Kitab also. Before the computers came in , working

> out bhavspashtha was a long and tedious process. Most of us who

were

> introduced to the Vedic system , some 25 years ago, had to do all

the

> calculations manually.

> >

> > Same with working out the strength of a planet and a Bhav { or

LK

> khana }. This is the most authentic and scientifically acceptable

> procedure to assess the strength of a planet or that of a Bhav. If

a

> strong planet acts malefic , or is made malefic through actions ,

the

> damage incurred will be greater , similarly if it acts as benefic

in

> a strong Bhav the results would be far beyond expectations.

> >

> > Now , coming to why the Lal Kitab doesn't insist on these

> procedures. Pt. Roop Chand ji said, " rasi chhor nakchhatra

> bhulaya , na hi koi panchang liya " not because he thought these

> things to be irrelevant , instead he tried to simplify the process.

> He did consider both the nakchhatra and the rasi relevant – a point

> of separate debate which I could take up later on.

> >

> > Thus Pt. Roop Chand ji while simplifying the system , introduced

a

> yet another difficult dimension called ` teve ki durusti'. Through

> his `teve ki durusti' he again was trying to find where the planet

> was placed , in which Bhav or Khana as he called . The process in a

> lay men's language is known as ` grah kis khane mein bol raha hai'.

> For this he not only took the nek or bad nishaniyan of the planet ,

> he also took the help of palmistry.

> >

> > At least I am not good in palmistry , and I know most of those

> practicing astrology aren't either. In the absence of Pt. Roop

Chand

> ji's intuition or `sidhdhi' or his ability , the best we should do

is

> to fall back on scientifically acceptable methods for help when

> ascertaining the nature and strength of a planet.

> >

> > Now , combining the two systems ie. Vedic and Lal Kitab . At

least

> I do not find the two systems either contradictory or working at

> cross purposes. Instead I find them complimentary to each other. I

> use Lal Kitab upaya instead of Vedic upaya of mantra , pooja , vrat

> and gems. Because Lal Kitab upaya are simple , less expensive ,

less

> time consuming and at the same time as effective as the Vedic upaya.

> >

> > Having explained my position on Vedic and Lal Kitab, I next

answer

> your questions.

> >

> > I had said :

> >

> > [ 1 ] He was born at night of kartik Krishna 14th, hence Saturn

> becomes the planet of birth { janma waqt ka grah } and therefore `

> kismet ka grah'

> >

> > [ 2 ] The upaya of Saturn , if needed , will be done assuming

that

> the Saturn is in the 9th house.

> >

> > question : 1. how u assumed that saturn is able to remedy & will

> be assumed in 9th. According to my analyzation it is not bad but

can

> be made?

> >

> > Answer : I had said that Saturn is the kismet ka grah. And if the

> upaya is needed { I didn't say that the upaya is needed } Saturn

> would be assumed in the 9th house. Why ? The answer is in the book

> under the heading `janmadin aur janma waqt ka talluk'

> >

> > I had said :

> >

> > [ 3 ] Perhaps chandra do mein bolega . If it is so , the Lal

Kitab

> says " dhan aur mata dono mande , sukh ke bajaye dukh , rat din

dono

> waqt dukhi , aqla madad na de "

> >

> > [ 4 ] Perhaps mercury teen mein bolega . If that is so , you know

> how bad mercury would be.

> >

> > Question : 2.Why Moon khana no. 2 main bolegaa & budh 3 main

bolega?

> >

> > Answer : I had used the word ` perhaps'. Since I found that moon

> moves to the 2nd house and the mercury to the 3rd after

> bhavspashtha , it is fair to suspect that these two planets might

> give their results in those houses. I have already quoted the book

> for moon in the 2nd. Now if I accept the mercury in the 2nd , the

> book says :

> >

> > " aath chhatve grah baitha koi , bharata tabela kanya ho "

> >

> > izzat guru nau barah deta , ayu mata ki lambi ho "

> >

> > shani mile to sanp ho urata , saath bhala na Sali ho "

> >

> > He has guru in the 12th and shani is with budh in 2nd, `sanp ho

> urata' the ichhadhari sanp , a very auspicious combination.

Therefore

> it is fair to do the rethinking. Isn't it?

> >

> > I had said :

> >

> > And once mercury is bad , rahu and ketu will be bad too. ` rahu

> and ketu dono budh ke dayare mein chalte hain.'

> >

> > Question : 3.Aur aapne yeh kaise maan liya ki rahu ketu budh ke

> dayre main hi bolenge kyonki budh kya zero ki shape main mila aapko?

> >

> > Answer :

> >

> > I have found it to be invariably true if mercury is destroyed ,

for

> whatever reason, Rahu and Ketu too need careful looking into. It

was

> a suggestion that verify the nature of Rahu and Ketu , they too

might

> be bad.

> >

> > I had said :

> >

> > Mars will be considered as bad because sun and Saturn are

together.

> >

> > Question : 4.Why mars will be consider as bad due to togetherness

> of sun &

> > saturn, U can see there sun + budh also

> >

> > Answer :

> >

> > Sun is at 15-27' , Saturn is at 12-29' and mercury is at 25-27'.

> Sun and the Saturn are close together where as Mercury is far away.

> Hence Sun and the Saturn would be considered as together, where as

> considering Sun and Mercury together will be far-fetched. And

> therefore Mars would need attention too.

> >

> > Having answered your questions , I turn to your Upaya.

> >

> > Upaya 1 & 2 for mercury in 2nd ; upaya 3 for ketu in 8th ;

upaya

> 4 for Mars rin , upaya 5 for Saturn in the 2nd and upaya 6 for

> Jupiter in 12th .

> >

> > Now my observations :

> >

> > [ 1 ] Saturn is the janma waqt ka grah , in other words it is

grah

> phal ka grah. Therefore where it is placed [ 2nd house ] here it

> will be considered as of grah phal. And upaya suggested for Saturn

in

> the 2nd house will not be right.

> >

> > This is exactly what I had said , while devising an upaya for

> Saturn you have to keep in mind the ` talluk of janma din ka grah

and

> jnma waqt ka grah. Therefore the upaya for Saturn will have to the

> one assuming that the Saturn is in the 9th house.

> >

> > [ 2 ]In order to ascertain which planet is causing Pitri-rin

there

> are three conditions laid down in the Lal Kitab. All the three

> conditions have to be necessarily fulfilled before a planet is

> declared to be causing a Pitri rin. I wonder if Mars fulfills all

> those three conditions to be declared as a planet of rin. I worked

it

> out and it doesn't.

> >

> > With lots of love and regards,

> >

> > Priya

> >

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April 19, 2005

Respected Bhatiya ji & bhoshanpriya ji

yes both of u r right that janmdin ka grah shani nahi hai.Lekin guru

hai.ye baat samajh nahi aati.Im sorry that i pickup day according

computer only as casted horoscope.Haan agar shukra ko maantey hain to

analyzations main shani shukra ke ghar per asar dalegaa.Nek ya mandaa

is baat ka faisla fir jaroori hai.aapke hisab se iska upay nahi ho

saktaa kyonki yeh janmvakt ka grah hai.Upay ke taur per main yahi

kahoongaa ki jo upay lalkitab main saturn 2nd ke lye likha hai usmain

aashay yahi hai ki agar yeh kisi bhi tarah bad hua to use appease

kiya ja rahaa hai tab bhi is upay se nuksaan to koi nahi.judge ko

sahi facts ki jaankari dena hi iska uddeshya hai.Kyonki gunaah kabool

lene se judge ka behave some positive ho sakta hai.At other hand it

is not so important that shani ka upay nahi ho sakta.Lalkitab ke hi

anusaar khana no. 11 main koi bhi grah nek ya bad nahi hota lekin

lalkitab main hi khana no. 11 ke nek ya bad ke planets ka khulaasa

kiya gaya hai.Isi tarah thik hai ki janmvaqt ke grah ka upay nahi ho

sakta lekin janmvaqt ke grah ko appease karne ka tarika to apnaayaa

ja saktaa hai agar uska bura asar pratit ho raha ho.Agar aapki baat

ko tarzih dee jaye to bhi as result shani bura sabit hone per mere

5739 no. ke massage main khana no. 2 ko padhne ki sifarish ki gayee

hai.Hamain agar koi upay lena hoga to vo khana no. 2 ko madde nazar

rakhker hi lena hoga khana no. 9 se nahi.Aur agar aap samajhti hain

to kripya khana no. 9 se ise shuru karain fir hum is disscussion ko

aage leker chaltey hain ummed hai ki jaldi hi hum nishkarsh per

pahunch jayenge. bhatia ji se anurodh hai ki ve ismain time to time

guide karain.Kyonki mere anusaar to lalkitab ek samunder hai ,ab

dekhna ye hai ki iska paani peene wala kis iceland per khada hoker

paani pee rahaa hai aur us paani main kharapan aur meethapan kitna

hai.Aur jald yeh clear karain ki gupta ji ko kaunse upay karne hain

aur kaun se nahi.Varna marz to dard ban jayegaa aur ilaaz bedard.

With regards

Lalkitabee

>

lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya>

wrote:

>

> Dear Lalkitabee ji,

>

> You have said :

>

> To yahi main kehna chahoonga ki shani janm vakt

> > aur janmdin dono ka grah hai. "

>

> This NOT true.

>

> December 1 , 1956 was a Friday. He was born on the night of

> Thursday / Friday before sunrise. Hence for astrological purposes

he

> will be considered as born on a Thursday , because the day and the

> tithi changes after the sunrise.

>

> Therefore the janma din ka grah is Jupiter and not Saturn.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Priya

lalkitab , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee>

wrote:

> >

> > Respected Booshanpriya ji

> > As u said That:-[ 1 ] Saturn is the janma waqt ka grah , in other

> > words it is grah phal ka grah. Therefore where it is placed [

2nd

> > house ] here it will be considered as of grah phal. And upaya

> > suggested for Saturn in the 2nd house will not be right.

> >

> > Answer is :- 2nd main mushtarka grah magal nek ke liye jaayain ya

> > mangal bad ke iska faisla to 2nd main 4 planets ki kheench taan

> main

> > se hi nikaalna padegaa. Shani good to mangal nek ko jagah milegi

> > shani bad to mangal bad ko.Lekin sawal to shani ke janmvaqt ka

grah

> > hone per atak gayaa. To yahi main kehna chahoonga ki shani janm

> vakt

> > aur janmdin dono ka grah hai isliye bura nahi hoga lekin bura ker

> > liya ja saktaa hai.Jiske karan mangal nek hota hua bhi mangal bad

> ban

> > sakta hai.Isiliye iska upay likha gaya.Kyonki khana no. 2 ka asar

> > khana no. 8 ke asar se juda nahi aur khana no. 12 ka planet guru

> > khana no. 2 ke asar se juda nahi reh sakta.Isliye khana no. 2 ke

> > major bad planet ko shubh karnaa jaroori hai taki shubh asar guru

> ko

> > miley ya khana no. 12 ko miley .Aur jo aapne likha hai ki khana

no.

> 9

> > ka saturn maantey hue upay karna hoga kyonki khana no. 9 Aagaz e

> > kismat hai , to mere hisab se aap janm vaqt ke grah main kismat

ka

> > grah dhoondh rahi hain. Vo baat thik hai ki janm vaqt ka grah

> kismat

> > ka grah hota hai, lekin kismat se abhipray khana no. 9 mat liziye

> > kyonki lalkitab main to ye bhi likha hai ki " ghar chal ker jo

aavey

> > dozey kismat ka ban jaata hai " Aur oosri taraf lalkitab main hi

> likha

> > hai ki

> > Jab 9,3,5 khali ho to aaghaaz e kismat khana no. 2 ki marfat

> jagegaa.

> > AAp lalkitab main AAGHAAZ E KISMAT ka heading padhain.

> > Ab sawal ye hai ki no.2 se nek kismat jagegi ya badkismat. Ye

> faisla

> > bhi shani ki nek ya bad halat per hi ho saktaa hai.Aur shani ki

2nd

> > main kya importance hai main bol hi chuka hoon. Mere vichar se

aap

> > kismat ke grah ki talaash ki tartib ko padhain aur for khana no.2

> ke

> > heading ko padhain to sabhi kuchh clear ho jayegaa.

> >

> > 2.2 ]In order to ascertain which planet is causing Pitri-rin

there

> > are three conditions laid down in the Lal Kitab. All the three

> > conditions have to be necessarily fulfilled before a planet is

> > declared to be causing a Pitri rin. I wonder if Mars fulfills all

> > those three conditions to be declared as a planet of rin. I

worked

> it

> > out and it doesn't.

> >

> > ANSWER :- Yes u can see in 2nd conditions of PITRI RIN & at 3rd

> stage

> > 2,5,9,12 ki mandi halat ko dekho.How r these khana no. bad. I

will

> > reply after if u feel confusion.But do not forget to read jad

> (ROOT) ki adla badli.that

> > is y i found mangal rin grah & suggested remedy.Plz read pitri

rin

> ke

> > grah again.

> >

> > But for god sake do not mix it with vaidic jyotish.I cant disscus

> > with u by that cryteria. & we must clear doubts about the janmvaqt

> ke grah & janmdin ke grah 1st of all.U must read again about this &

> must observe example which has given in LK

> >

> > With regards

> > Lalkitabee

> >

> > lalkitab , bhooshan priya

> <bhooshanpriya>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalkitabee ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your kind words and the regard you have for me.

Yes ,

> > both of us might disagree on certain issues ; but that is the

> > essence of all academic discussions. Differences open up new

> insights

> > and possibilities , some thing we all look forward to.

> > >

> > > Let me first explain as to why I prefer working out the

> > Bhavspashth. You know that all the people born under a lagna will

> > have identical planetary position , and that means roughly two

> > hours. Now all the people born during those two hours will have

an

> > identical kundali. But they never have an identical life.

> > Bhavspashtha is one of the methods to further narrow down the

> > nativity , thus distinguishing one from another. Bhavspashtha is

> the

> > most scientific method known so far . And that is why I consider

it

> a

> > very essential part of any astrological exercise , including when

> > working with Lal Kitab also. Before the computers came in ,

working

> > out bhavspashtha was a long and tedious process. Most of us who

> were

> > introduced to the Vedic system , some 25 years ago, had to do all

> the

> > calculations manually.

> > >

> > > Same with working out the strength of a planet and a Bhav { or

> LK

> > khana }. This is the most authentic and scientifically acceptable

> > procedure to assess the strength of a planet or that of a Bhav.

If

> a

> > strong planet acts malefic , or is made malefic through actions ,

> the

> > damage incurred will be greater , similarly if it acts as benefic

> in

> > a strong Bhav the results would be far beyond expectations.

> > >

> > > Now , coming to why the Lal Kitab doesn't insist on these

> > procedures. Pt. Roop Chand ji said, " rasi chhor nakchhatra

> > bhulaya , na hi koi panchang liya " not because he thought these

> > things to be irrelevant , instead he tried to simplify the

process.

> > He did consider both the nakchhatra and the rasi relevant – a

point

> > of separate debate which I could take up later on.

> > >

> > > Thus Pt. Roop Chand ji while simplifying the system ,

introduced

> a

> > yet another difficult dimension called ` teve ki durusti'.

Through

> > his `teve ki durusti' he again was trying to find where the

planet

> > was placed , in which Bhav or Khana as he called . The process in

a

> > lay men's language is known as ` grah kis khane mein bol raha

hai'.

> > For this he not only took the nek or bad nishaniyan of the

planet ,

> > he also took the help of palmistry.

> > >

> > > At least I am not good in palmistry , and I know most of those

> > practicing astrology aren't either. In the absence of Pt. Roop

> Chand

> > ji's intuition or `sidhdhi' or his ability , the best we should

do

> is

> > to fall back on scientifically acceptable methods for help when

> > ascertaining the nature and strength of a planet.

> > >

> > > Now , combining the two systems ie. Vedic and Lal Kitab . At

> least

> > I do not find the two systems either contradictory or working at

> > cross purposes. Instead I find them complimentary to each other.

I

> > use Lal Kitab upaya instead of Vedic upaya of mantra , pooja ,

vrat

> > and gems. Because Lal Kitab upaya are simple , less expensive ,

> less

> > time consuming and at the same time as effective as the Vedic

upaya.

> > >

> > > Having explained my position on Vedic and Lal Kitab, I next

> answer

> > your questions.

> > >

> > > I had said :

> > >

> > > [ 1 ] He was born at night of kartik Krishna 14th, hence Saturn

> > becomes the planet of birth { janma waqt ka grah } and therefore

`

> > kismet ka grah'

> > >

> > > [ 2 ] The upaya of Saturn , if needed , will be done assuming

> that

> > the Saturn is in the 9th house.

> > >

> > > question : 1. how u assumed that saturn is able to remedy &

will

> > be assumed in 9th. According to my analyzation it is not bad but

> can

> > be made?

> > >

> > > Answer : I had said that Saturn is the kismet ka grah. And if

the

> > upaya is needed { I didn't say that the upaya is needed } Saturn

> > would be assumed in the 9th house. Why ? The answer is in the

book

> > under the heading `janmadin aur janma waqt ka talluk'

> > >

> > > I had said :

> > >

> > > [ 3 ] Perhaps chandra do mein bolega . If it is so , the Lal

> Kitab

> > says " dhan aur mata dono mande , sukh ke bajaye dukh , rat din

> dono

> > waqt dukhi , aqla madad na de "

> > >

> > > [ 4 ] Perhaps mercury teen mein bolega . If that is so , you

know

> > how bad mercury would be.

> > >

> > > Question : 2.Why Moon khana no. 2 main bolegaa & budh 3 main

> bolega?

> > >

> > > Answer : I had used the word ` perhaps'. Since I found that

moon

> > moves to the 2nd house and the mercury to the 3rd after

> > bhavspashtha , it is fair to suspect that these two planets might

> > give their results in those houses. I have already quoted the

book

> > for moon in the 2nd. Now if I accept the mercury in the 2nd , the

> > book says :

> > >

> > > " aath chhatve grah baitha koi , bharata tabela kanya ho "

> > >

> > > izzat guru nau barah deta , ayu mata ki lambi ho "

> > >

> > > shani mile to sanp ho urata , saath bhala na Sali ho "

> > >

> > > He has guru in the 12th and shani is with budh in 2nd, `sanp ho

> > urata' the ichhadhari sanp , a very auspicious combination.

> Therefore

> > it is fair to do the rethinking. Isn't it?

> > >

> > > I had said :

> > >

> > > And once mercury is bad , rahu and ketu will be bad too. `

rahu

> > and ketu dono budh ke dayare mein chalte hain.'

> > >

> > > Question : 3.Aur aapne yeh kaise maan liya ki rahu ketu budh ke

> > dayre main hi bolenge kyonki budh kya zero ki shape main mila

aapko?

> > >

> > > Answer :

> > >

> > > I have found it to be invariably true if mercury is destroyed ,

> for

> > whatever reason, Rahu and Ketu too need careful looking into. It

> was

> > a suggestion that verify the nature of Rahu and Ketu , they too

> might

> > be bad.

> > >

> > > I had said :

> > >

> > > Mars will be considered as bad because sun and Saturn are

> together.

> > >

> > > Question : 4.Why mars will be consider as bad due to

togetherness

> > of sun &

> > > saturn, U can see there sun + budh also

> > >

> > > Answer :

> > >

> > > Sun is at 15-27' , Saturn is at 12-29' and mercury is at 25-

27'.

> > Sun and the Saturn are close together where as Mercury is far

away.

> > Hence Sun and the Saturn would be considered as together, where

as

> > considering Sun and Mercury together will be far-fetched. And

> > therefore Mars would need attention too.

> > >

> > > Having answered your questions , I turn to your Upaya.

> > >

> > > Upaya 1 & 2 for mercury in 2nd ; upaya 3 for ketu in 8th ;

> upaya

> > 4 for Mars rin , upaya 5 for Saturn in the 2nd and upaya 6 for

> > Jupiter in 12th .

> > >

> > > Now my observations :

> > >

> > > [ 1 ] Saturn is the janma waqt ka grah , in other words it is

> grah

> > phal ka grah. Therefore where it is placed [ 2nd house ] here it

> > will be considered as of grah phal. And upaya suggested for

Saturn

> in

> > the 2nd house will not be right.

> > >

> > > This is exactly what I had said , while devising an upaya for

> > Saturn you have to keep in mind the ` talluk of janma din ka grah

> and

> > jnma waqt ka grah. Therefore the upaya for Saturn will have to

the

> > one assuming that the Saturn is in the 9th house.

> > >

> > > [ 2 ]In order to ascertain which planet is causing Pitri-rin

> there

> > are three conditions laid down in the Lal Kitab. All the three

> > conditions have to be necessarily fulfilled before a planet is

> > declared to be causing a Pitri rin. I wonder if Mars fulfills all

> > those three conditions to be declared as a planet of rin. I

worked

> it

> > out and it doesn't.

> > >

> > > With lots of love and regards,

> > >

> > > Priya

> > >

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April 20, 2005

Lalkitabe Jee,

Very well written! I think that you are on the right track. My observation is that even though grahaphal can't be remedied with an upaya , but if it is given in LK, then we can go ahead and suggest that upaya for the house the planet is in (In our example for discussion - the upaya for the second house and not the ninth - if indeed, Saturn were in the second house as well as janma din ka grah.) I agree with you that the upaya should not cause any harm. However, I still maintain very strongly that we should ensure, based on the existing situation (haalat) about a planet being a malefic or a benefic before suggesting an upaya. If it is not causing any harm, then we should leave it alone even though it may have other afflictions. One other thing that I have noticed, at times, is that when an upaya is performed for a grahaphal planet,

it may forewarn you to stop the upaya by causing a slight bit of harm during the period in which the upaya is being performed. In that case, it is best to stop the upaya immediately. Actually the same goes for the rashiphal upaya also or for that matter any other upaya.

Please keep up the good work.

With best wishes.

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatia

lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

Respected Bhatiya ji & bhoshanpriya ji yes both of u r right that janmdin ka grah shani nahi hai.Lekin guru hai.ye baat samajh nahi aati.Im sorry that i pickup day according computer only as casted horoscope.Haan agar shukra ko maantey hain to analyzations main shani shukra ke ghar per asar dalegaa.Nek ya mandaa is baat ka faisla fir jaroori hai.aapke hisab se iska upay nahi ho saktaa kyonki yeh janmvakt ka grah hai.Upay ke taur per main yahi kahoongaa ki jo upay lalkitab main saturn 2nd ke lye likha hai usmain aashay yahi hai ki agar yeh kisi bhi tarah bad hua to use appease kiya ja rahaa hai tab bhi is upay se nuksaan to koi nahi.judge ko sahi facts ki jaankari dena hi iska uddeshya hai.Kyonki gunaah kabool lene se judge ka behave some positive ho sakta hai.At other hand it is not so important that shani ka upay nahi ho

sakta.Lalkitab ke hi anusaar khana no. 11 main koi bhi grah nek ya bad nahi hota lekin lalkitab main hi khana no. 11 ke nek ya bad ke planets ka khulaasa kiya gaya hai.Isi tarah thik hai ki janmvaqt ke grah ka upay nahi ho sakta lekin janmvaqt ke grah ko appease karne ka tarika to apnaayaa ja saktaa hai agar uska bura asar pratit ho raha ho.Agar aapki baat ko tarzih dee jaye to bhi as result shani bura sabit hone per mere 5739 no. ke massage main khana no. 2 ko padhne ki sifarish ki gayee hai.Hamain agar koi upay lena hoga to vo khana no. 2 ko madde nazar rakhker hi lena hoga khana no. 9 se nahi.Aur agar aap samajhti hain to kripya khana no. 9 se ise shuru karain fir hum is disscussion ko aage leker chaltey hain ummed hai ki jaldi hi hum nishkarsh per pahunch jayenge. bhatia ji se anurodh hai ki ve ismain time to time guide karain.Kyonki mere anusaar to lalkitab ek samunder hai ,ab dekhna ye hai ki iska paani peene wala kis

iceland per khada hoker paani pee rahaa hai aur us paani main kharapan aur meethapan kitna hai.Aur jald yeh clear karain ki gupta ji ko kaunse upay karne hain aur kaun se nahi.Varna marz to dard ban jayegaa aur ilaaz bedard.With regardsLalkitabee

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