Greeks vs Indians HOLY JEUS!

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Kachuaji now we should move to some more ppl in their own tone

 

now they will witness most horrowing days on internet forums

 

in some months some dangeous ppl(real team) on internet forums will join to do

open firing on them

 

, indian_kachua wrote:

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> Baap se baap ka naam pooch raha hai

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> Saalay maartay maartay bicha doonga teray ko main,, bloody bandar

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> Teri maaa ke saath purdah boxing ki thi

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> pooch jaa ke

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> bakbak band ker nahin to teray ko main kahin ka nahin chooroonga

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> tamiz main aa jaaa ab samjha naaa

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> --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

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> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

> Re: Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!>

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> Cc: indian_kachua

> Sunday, April 12, 2009, 7:21 AM

What wise talk did you give yourself in this forum with what proof so far?

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> What have you proved yourself so far? Can you name any?

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> You are wasting time of others with unsubstantiated statements?

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> If you have respect for your good parents use the name they gave you and don't

hesitate to declare that. Why remain behind a purdah and why try

behind-the-purdah boxing?

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> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, indian_kachua <indian_kachua wrote:

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> indian_kachua <indian_kachua

> Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!>

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> Saturday, April 11, 2009, 9:32 PM

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why are you wasting time of others in your stupid talks without any proof

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> go and learn after that write

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> You have proved nothing till now

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> wasting times of others in hollow talks

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> , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

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> > Kachuaji,

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> > Why don't you give the details of what happened in which fora that upsets

you so much? Which shadow bowing I have done and which fora I left? I have not

resigned from any fora uptill now. Kalyanaramanji does not want me in his fora

because of my belief in astrlogy. Kaulji does not want me in his forum as I

oppose his views of Indian astrology. They invited me to their fora and they

removed from their fora. I have no regret for that. Are you upset as I have

opposed the views of Vinayji?

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> > --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

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> > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a

> > Re: Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!>

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> > Friday, April 10, 2009, 7:03 PM

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> > What prevents the kachua from divulging the names of the forums he is

referring to. Kachua !?can you not?substantiate your statements? If you think

you have to present something please do so otherwise stop these ?hollow

statements. That will be better than your giving judgement on others.

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> > --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Indian Kachuaa <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:

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> > Indian Kachuaa <indian_kachua@ ...>

> > Re: Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!>

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> > Friday, April 10, 2009, 9:57 AM

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> > SKB is shadow boxer who use to do on the mails on?only and only on one

forum?forwarded from other forums.....

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> > He has been fled away from other forums now see his dance here....

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> > He has nothing to present....

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> > --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>

wrote:

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> > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>

> > Re: Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!>

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> > Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:54 PM

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> > Indian Kachua had really spurred up Vinayji. Now we can see the great Vedic

scholar in Vinayji.

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> > -SKB

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> > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

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> > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > Re: Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!>

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> > Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:22 AM

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> > BROTHERS ???

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> > Sunil ji said : " the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers. "

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> > It is a very good idea of Sunil ji for which I support him, excepting for

the fact that Rgveda never said so. There are 33 references to /bhraatr// in

entire Rgveda in all its possible declinations. In 32 instances, it is used for

the Sun, and in the 33rd instance, it is used for the son of Vivasvaana Sun

named Vaivasvata Yama who was also a

> > brother of Yami (twin). All traditional grammarians deduced it from the root

//bhraash// which means " to shine " , and has forms like bhraach and bhraaj too.

A brother never shines, but the Sun shines. The original Vedic meaning of

bhraatr was " a Sun (because it shines) " , and " brother " is a later Laukika

meaning. Saayana surmised that bhraatr in Rgveda might be related to //bhr// ,

but //bhr// is related to bhartaa which means husband. A father bears/sustains,

and then husband sustains, not the brother. But the Sun shines as well as

sustains everything alive. Hence, the Rgveda says none of us are brothers, only

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> > the Sun is a bhraatr, and at one place (RV, X,10) its son is also a

bhraatr.. We should not impose our laukika meanings upon Vedic meanings. I hope

Sunil ji will take this remark in a positive manner, and will try to consult the

original verses instead of relying upon translations by mlechchhas.

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> > -VJ

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> > Indian Kachuaa <indian_kachua@ >

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> > Wednesday, April 8, 2009 5:28:37 PM

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> > Re: Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!>

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> > Dear Shri Vinayji,

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> > Thanks for so good clarifications.

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> > Please continue with shedding knowledge on us.

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> > Please dont mind with the mails of 'sunil_bhattacharjy a' as we all know he

talks with out and proof.He has to write anything that is all with him.But

please you continue with your knowledge as he is giving opportunity to let you

prove yourself as good and sound scholar.

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> > Please continue.

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> > Luv and Regards

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> > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

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> > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >

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> > Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!>

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> > Tuesday, April 7,

> > 2009, 6:34 PM

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> > At 4:40 AM GMT today, I made following reply to Sunilji's wrong

interpretations of Manusmriti as well as of my messages, which did not appear in

common mailbox, hence I am posting it again :

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> > >>>>>>>>>> To Sunilji :

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> > According to Manusmriti, " apaankta " brahmin was not only prevented from

sitting among pure brahmins during a shraaddha feast but was not even allowed to

see good brahmins eating in such feasts (iii, 178) ; such a treatment was meted

out to chaandalas in those days, who were similarly segregated during such

feasts. Mahabharata uses the term pankti-dooshaka instead of Manusmriti's

" apaankta " , but in the same sense. Manusmriti uses the term " pankti-paavana " an

an antonym for " apaankta " , hence " apaankta " is a synonymnfor pankti-dooshaka " ,

which is used in MBh together with the term " chaandaala " for such persons. But

who are these " apaankta " persons ? Sunilji and Kaulji say

> > astrologers were " apaankta " persons, which is not true. Manusmriti has made

no derogatory reference to Jyotishi, even once. On the contrary, in

Mn....iii.183- 185, knower of six Vedaangas are declared to be pankti-paavana

brahmins, which proves that Manusmriti regards Jyotishi as a

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> > " pankti-paavana " , which is opposite to " apaankta " or pankti-dooshakas. The

verse which forbids socalled astrologers from sitting in a shraaddha feast (Mn,

iii, 162) uses the word " nakshatreyashcha jeevati " which is same as

nakshatrajeevee. Nakshatrajeevees are pankti-dooshakas and Jyotishis are

pankti-paavanas according to Manusmriti. Nakshatrajeevees are derided in other

ancient texts too, and they are never eulogized in any ancient text I have ever

read. Nakshatrajeevees were not regarded as astrologers, they were viewed as

cheats who rob people by masquerading as astrologers. They were equated with

chaandaalas in MBh. The fault lies in western translators. Buhler

> > translated Nakshatrajeevee as " astrologer " . Kaulji was cheated by relying

on wrong translations, and Sunilji followed the same wrong line.

Nakshatrajeevees are different from astrologer, the latter was denoted by the

revered term " jyotishi " in all ancient texts including Manusmriti and

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> > MBh. Similarly, all temple-priests are not derided in Manusmriti, please

read the Mn-iii to get the fuller sense on Manusmriti. Sunilji should read

properly. He misreads Manusmriti, MBh and he similarly misreads my paper on

61-year cycle. I know he is not a dishonest person, he is being carried by

uncontrolled anger against me. Any term must be defined in its proper context

only. We have no right to impose our meanings on ancient terms. While dealing

with ancient texts, we must not forget that these texts were written in contexts

and milieus vastly different from ours.

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> > Sunilji's attitude and language is turning from bad to worse. If he calms

down a bit, he

> > may see differently. He fails to see why an anti-astrology person should

devote his life to develop free astrological softwares based on ancient

predictive principles ; my only " crime " is that among the myriads of softwares I

developed, I found that Suryasiddhantic Ganita combined with Parashara Phalita

best suits the purposes of predictive astrology. Before delving into

Suryasiddhanta, I used astrological softwares developed by others and then

developed astrological softwares based on modern astronomy myself, but they did

not give accurate Vimshottari timings and divisionals were also not

satisfactory. Other software developers also know this problem, that is why they

are experimenting with various types of year lengths for Vimshottari and with

various values of ayanamsha. Sunilji is not interested in these real problems of

astrology and is merely interested in

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> > solutions of practical problems through word duels, which is a mere wastage

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> > When Sunilji's unwarranted anger against me subsides, I will request him to

read my paper on 61-year cycle again. At present, he is not in a mood to

understand it properly, and is driven with a wish to refute each and every word

from me. I hope the scientist within him will eventually overcome his unfounded

anger. I tried to use some harsh words in order to compel him to pay heed to

facts, but I failed. I, therefore, apologize for using harsh words, and request

him to drop this thread at present, and discuss the matters after a few days

when he calms down. I know I am much younger to him, but he does not know he is

misinterpreting almost every sentence from me due to anger.

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> > with regards,

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> > -VJ <<<<<<<<<<

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> > I got the following reply from Sunil ji :

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> > " A liar wants to extricate himself by attributing his own mistakes to others

and rejoices. Only a spineless and gutless man is unable to admit

> > his own mistake. A liar is worse than a chandala. "

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> > My answer is:

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> > What a " scientific method " and " honourable manner " !! I will not take a

refuge in abusing those who abuse me, because I have better words whose worth

will be decided by Time. Nakshatrasoochakas are different from Jyotishis, which

Sunilji does not understand.

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> > Sunilji said : " Vinayji has given only calendar years and he has not

mentioned the months in his paper on monsoon cycles " . I explained the method and

my experiments with all types of years beginning with Jan, feb, Mar, etc, and

found that year beginning with April gives best results as far as long term

cyclical patterns in Monsoons are concerned. Yet he says I said nothing about

months !Either Sunilji is not interested in or not proficient ib this field, or

is deliberately distoring facts. Figures in my papers clearly indicate whether I

use year beginning with January or with April. Two curves superimposed upon

> > each other have exact difference of 61 years. For 50% of this cycle,

repetitive pattern is clear, for the remaining chaotic half, there is no trace

of any cyclicity. By confusing this 61-year solar cycle with 60-year Jovian

cycle (59.3 solar years), does Sunil ji wants to believe that Jovian cycle is

true only for 50% and false for the rest 50% ?

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> > Jupiter, Sun and Moon do not return to the same position at the end of 60

years, 60 jovian years are equal to 59.305 solar years, difference is of over

250 degrees or 0.7 years, which is over 8 rashis ! Astrologers make varshaphala

at mesha samkraantis. Error of over 8 rashis will destroy this method. Saturn

completes two cucles in 59 and not in 60 years. A real scientist should not be

so crude.

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> > -VJ

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> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

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> > > Dear

> > Rohini,

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> > > Thank you for the good words.

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> > > Yes the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers. But sometimes conflict

does occur like it happened in the Mahabharata days and it happens these days

too. We have to voice our concern and cannot remain indifferent to any

wrong-doing. Then leave it at that. I think that this age is such that all

knowledge will spread and people will be benefitted.

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> > > Best wishes,

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> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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> > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

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> > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...>

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> > > Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!>

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> > > Monday, April 6, 2009, 6:34 PM

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> > > Dear Sunilda,

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> > > Please kindly call me rohini, henceforth :-)

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> > > If my own Dada, who was a gift in this lifetime to me and an absolutely

unattainable Role Model, were alive today he would be about your age...

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> > > Age aside, your wonderful accomplishments in science and particularly

Chemistry that has always been so endearing to me, if only I had the brains for

it :-) -- is wonderful to hear. Jyotish can certainly benefit from more

scientists, from all disciplines -- and that is the catchword! Most people think

and assume that scientists are simply disorganized, though creative geniuses who

forget what or when they ate last or where they kept their socks (absent-minded

professor stereotype!) but little does the general public realizes how

ridiculously simplistic that perception is.

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> > > It is commendable that after spending a long career in an intensive

> > pursuit such as science is, you have chosen to focus your vast experience

and readily obvious superior mental acumen to the pursuit of astrology/astronomy

and to get to the roots of it. Actually to the roots of humanity in a sense! WE

ALL sometimes overlook and ignore the obvious fact that at one time, long long

long long time ago, there must have been just a few humans and not billions who

were just carted down to planet earth in some space-shape as some newage SCI-FI

lore has tried to convince us from time to time (since early 90's at least since

I had been observing that ground-swell) .

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> > > Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam was not an empty phrase, a mere pleasantry that was

penned by some Ancient Elder just to assuage tensions or a 'feel-good'

affirmation -- I think it was simply an expression of " knowing " , a wisdom that

could only have come from a Parental Divine Source!

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> > > Pranaams

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> > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

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> > > > Dear Rohiniranjanji,

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> > > > I am sixty eight years old. I heard about you and I will be glad if you

kindly let me know about your age etc.

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> > > > After my M.Sc. in Chemistry I underwent one year's training course in

the Atomic Energy Establishment, Trombay (now BARC) and then joined that

organisation as a scientist. Thereafter I moved to Chemical Industry. Much

later, ie. towards the end of my career, I changed my field to Environmental

engineering. I have interest in Indian Philosophy, Ancient Indian History and in

Jyotish Shastra. In Jyotish shastra I have equal interest interest in Hindu

astronomy and Hindu astrology. But astrology is really a big subject and in that

I am somewhat like a beginner but I have come to realize the

> > utility of Astrlogy and see that sooner the world realises its value better

it will be. Astrology ia a boon to the humanity and that is why, even though I

am not an expert in astrology, I do not like anybody condemning astrology

without any basis like Shri Avtar Krishen Kaul isdoing. I came to know about

Shri Vinay Jha first time in the AIA forum and he somehow

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> > > > extricated himself from the bad situation he created for himself in the

AIA. As Sreenadhji invited him to AIA he thought that everybody would worship

him there without questioning. He claimed that he alone has the secret knowledge

of Suryasiddhanta and he went on telling about such things, which he could not

substantiate. However he was in for surprise as AIA, like any other sensible

fora, the AIA members would not tolerate any baseless statement.

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> > > > I too feel now that there is no point in responding to his mails. If

anybody is interested the old

> > mails of the groups are there to refer to.

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> > > > Regards,

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> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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> > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...>

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> > > > Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!>

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> > > > Sunday, April 5, 2009, 7:28 PM

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> > > > I do not know your age but you sound older than me ...

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> > > > Why is this Vinayji becoming so important to you? Each point that you

shared with this forum of thousands of us ants -- had a reference to Vinayji...

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> > > > Who is this " Vinayji " who claims so much of your attention and energy

and why should you think he should ours as well?

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> > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

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> > > > > In all these Vinayji had conveyed to us that he cannot cite a single

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> > > > > reference to support his Saurpaksha and Drikpasha systems of

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> > > > > Vinayji has overlooked my earlier mail where I said that like a yogi

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> > > > > has a physical body but can move about in his astral body so also

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> > > > > though the Sun has the physical body he can have another body to move

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> > > > > away from his physical body. That is how Surya might have come to

Kunti

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> > > > > or to Mayasura. We know that Kashyapa rishi also had a son called

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> > > > > Vivasvan (Vivasvat). There was also another Surya rishi, who could

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> > > > > Vinayji had not read my paper carefully and that is why he is telling

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> > > > > that I was speculating on the date of Kalidasa. He had not seen how

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> > > > > date of Kalidasa wasarrived at. If he did not agree then he could have

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> > > > > frankly told me like I tell him when I do not ahgree with him. If he

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> > > > > knows the date of Kalidasa correctly why does he not tell the group

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> > > > > In the AIA group Vinayji was boasting about his paper on 60-year cycle

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> > > > > of rain, which he claims to have presented in I.I.Sc. and he wanted to

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> > > > > give an interpretation reportedly based on Suryasiddhanta without

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> > > > > establishing any proper connection with Suryasiddhanta and no

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> > > > > appropriate verse from Suryasiddhanta was quoted there. Mind that

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> > > > > Vinayji's paper was only a presentation and there is already a paper

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> > > > > on that topic by the scientists Rajesh Agnihotri and Koushik Dutta,

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> > published in a peer-riviewed Journal (Current Science, Vol.85, No.4, 25

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> > > > > August,2003) , where the authors were saying about the 60-year

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> > > > > periodicity of Indian Monsoon. I told him that the 60-year Jupiter

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> > > > > cycle (when the Sun, the Moon and the Jupiter meet at the same point)

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> > > > > could be the main reason for this periodicity. In fact any astrologer

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> > > > > worth his salt may know about this cycle and even the Saturn comes to

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> > > > > its earlier position in 60-years after completing two 30-year cycles.

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> > > > > But Vinayji got afrronted. He should have explained to us in what way

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> > > > > his paper is different from the earlier works and the 60-year Jupiter

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> > > > > cycle but instead of that he flew in rage at our questioning the

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> > > > > newness in his work. He wants everybody to accept his claims as divine

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> > > > > truth and without questioning. He labels any questioning as a personal

> >

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> > > > > attack on him.

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> > > > > Vinayji says

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> >

> > > > > You got

> > the fact of eastward flow of Saptasindhu from me, and now you

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > will use it in your essays, without acknowledging me for being the

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > source of this information, and instead have already started abusing

me after getting this information.

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> > > > > Let him quote what exactly I wrote in the AIA forum in my first mails

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > in response to his claim that eastward-flowing Saraswati started

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > flowing to the west and that will show him that his own memory is

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> > playing tricks with him.

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> > > > > 6)

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> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > He says I have not discussed astrology but I do so with others. Others

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > do not claim secret knowledge which cannot be divulged like Vinayji

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > does. He says only a tapasvi can have the secret knowledge (and by

this

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > he implies that he is a tapasvi and therefore what he says must be

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > accepted unquestioningly) and I regret to have to express my inability

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > to discuss astrology with such a person claimihg to be sitting on a

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > vast storehose of ancient secret knowledge. If he comes down to the

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > normal

> > human-level of sharing knowledge I should have no hesitation to

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > discuss astrology with him. However I must admit that am not a veteran

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > in astrology and I am just collecting pebbles on the shore.

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> > > > > 7)

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> >

> > > > > Vinayji compares his contribution with that of Chandrahariji. Not that

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > I agree with everything that Chandrahariji says but I appreciate that

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > Chandrahariji published papers in peer-reviewed journals against

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > Vinayji's papers, which were either just presented in conferences or

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > given in his own websites.

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> > > > > Vinayji questioned as to what I contributed in astrology. I want to

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > assure Vinayji that I am still learning astrology and I do ask

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > questions like a student who wants to understand a subject and do not

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > claim to have mastered the subject. But I believe that I have right to

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > question anything what appears to me as mistranslation and

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > misinterpretation. I questioned Kaulji because he said that we cannot

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > call Indian astrology as Vedic astrology and that the Indians learnt

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > astrology from the Greeks and that Varahamihira had copied everything

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> > from Sphridhvaj and Kaulji had called Varahamihira a charlatan. As a

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > student of Indian jyotisha I cannot tolerate that. He misinterpreted a

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > verse to interpret that Varahamihira accepted the superior knowledge

of

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > the Geeks in astrology for which they command respect but actually

that

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > verse meant just the reverse. Kaulji said that the astrologers are

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > Chandalas without knowing that any dishonest person in any profession

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > is a Chandala. He did not accept that astrology was known in the

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > ancient times in India though he himself said that Manu mentioned that

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > astrologers are not to be invited to participate in Devakarya and

> >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > > > Pitrikarya and he was withholding the fact the physicians and the

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > temple priest are also not to be invited for these ceremonies. Kaulji

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > did not know the proper dates of Vedanga jyotisha and I only protested

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > against that and told him what those dates should be. I am protesting

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > against such harms being done to astrology and Hindu civilization.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > There are several such issues where I contested his knowledge. He may

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > know astrology but he must accept the human limitations in

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > interpreting the effects of the stars and not just condemn Hindu

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > astrology citing examples where the fake astrologers have failed. A

> >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > > > genuine astrologer tells his clients that the predictions are from his

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > past karmaphal and that his present karma is in his hand and that

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > present karma will have effect too. Hindu astrology is not fatalistic

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > but constructive. If something bad is likely to happen one can work

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > towards changing that. The basic purpose of Hindu astrology is to

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > change that if any bad thing is like to happen through some

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > counter-balancing good karma. Parashara and other greats had that

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > approach. Thus a good astrologer tries to make the predictions fail if

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > necessary and this failure is in fact a triumph of astrology. But

> >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > > > people like Kaulji does not have the insight to understand that. I

have

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > devoted sometime to protest what Kaulji is saying lest he misguides

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > some of my gullible brothers and sisters by misinterpreting the

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > efficacy and the purpose of astrology. Kaulji should channelise his

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > energies properly and he must have respect for Hindu astrology.

Jyotish

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > shastra contains both astronomy and astrology. So he cannot go on

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > condemning Hindu astrology and then go to rectify Hindu calendar. I

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > think that the past greats like Parashara had done tremendous work in

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > astrology and if we master those what they said would be enough

> > at

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > least for people at ordinary level in which I am there as I do not

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > claim to be a great tapasvi like Vinayji thinks himself to be.

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> > > >

> >

> > > > > Finally Vinayji may be a veteran in astrology and may have his

admirers as he

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > very often quotes the names of many professors to prove that. I am

just

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > a beginner in astrology and I cannot compare myself with Vinayji. I am

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > not claiming any superiority over Vinayji in astrology and I cannot

assert that

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > myself as it is upto the others to say if I had made any contribution

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > so far and it is

> > also upto them to judge where I stand vis-a-vis

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > Vinayji, if they have the time and desire to make any such

comparison.. .

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > I am just putting forth my views as they have given me an opportunity

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > to do so, for which I am thankful to them.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > However I wish to ask Vinayji as to how can he say that I have not

made any contribution in Science and Technology when I published a number of

papers in peer-reviewed National and International Scientific and Technical

journals of repute and presented a number of papers in big Scientific and

Technical seminars and also have a number of patents to my credit. Mr. Vinayji

with this sort of statement are you fulfilling your self-claimed vow that you

would never lie?

> >

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> > > > > Regards nevertheless,

> >

> > > >

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> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > Sunil. Bhattacharjya.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!>

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > Sunday, April 5, 2009, 8:12 AM

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> > > > > Since this thread may be read by other sincere members, I must add

here

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > that the very purpose of my joining any astrological forum was to show

> >

> > > >

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> >

> > > > > concrete proofs of both physical and non-physical astrology in a

> >

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> >

> > > > >

> >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > > > > comparati

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri RR ji,

 

I use rather wrong words at times out of impulse. I should have called you a

" humble " gentleman which suits you better.

 

And I believe you are a " thorough gentleman " too.

 

We will get back now to astrology and move away from individual talk as

suggested by the Kind Moderator whom I respect very much.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar bhai,

>

> Truly -- I do not know or recall what you are talking about! No one ever asked

me about your personal horoscope which I may have somewhere (I probably have

many) but if someone asks me, I would not even know where to look or even want

to look for as a devoted jyotishi you would know that a horoscope is like a

diary, personal and private. I do and to the best of my belief have never gone

back on that position!

>

> And yes B. ji -- I have always spoken strongly against anyone using personal

knowledge to bash and trash anyone, or just from fleeting personal impressions

or so on, without substance whether posted directly or furtively when someone

thought that the target was not around, any more ;-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri RR ji,

> >

> > About calling you spineless ( Good that you are updated and my postings

> > about you are forwarded to You), I would do that when you mantain a

> > servile attitude towards the JR Moderator. At the same time I have also

> > seen the guts in you, which was not displayed by anybody else, when the

> > JR Moderator wanted to put my Chart and discuss about that (Though he

> > does not know abc of astrology) you gave a befitting reply (That You

> > would open up the Charts of every astrologer on these Forums)and I was

> > the first to notice and complement on same, throughout. Please do not

> > ignore this. I have also mentioned good words about you to Shri Prafulla

> > Gang ji who is your ardent admirerer, and so have I become , after

> > noticing your firm mails, but when you stray in between from the

> > ecliptic, I comment, otherwise I do not, and appreciate you and your

> > writings always.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Actually there is an astrological angle to what may to a casual reader

> > of these sharings, appear as casual meanderings!

> > >

> > > The matchstick is the finer varga, while the forest is the Kshetra.

> > The matchstick may be 'tulya' to its origin, but would always contain

> > the 'genes' of the Kshetra, though not always expressed!

> > >

> > > There -- hopefully, both of us are safe from the wrath of the kind

> > moderator (You may want to call me spineless ;-) but I do have such fear

> > of moderators!!)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > >

> > > > Excellent wordplay with display of sagacity from you, as usual.

> > > >

> > > > If I may add an auxiliary to your note :

> > > >

> > > > The analogy you presented is akin to the son of a father who grows

> > up

> > > > and burns his own fathers body on the pyre when he is no more, the

> > same

> > > > Father from whom was begot the seed which was the cause for this

> > sons

> > > > physical existence .

> > > >

> > > > This can be extended endlessly, but I will now pull out, lest invite

> > a

> > > > verbal lashing from the Moderator for non-astro sprinklings here.

> > > >

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > If I may extend that thought: It is the explosive, easily

> > inflammed

> > > > chemistry at the head of the wooden matchstick that is responsible,

> > at

> > > > the slightest friction to then create this firestorm you talked

> > about

> > > > which ends up the matchstick burning the very forest it came from

> > :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > How interesting!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // As they say, " Trees falling in remote forests do not make any

> > > > noise! " //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But a single matchstick made from those fallen tress, has the

> > > > potential to create a firestorm and cause great havoc,in a nearby

> > known

> > > > civilsation. So underestimation may not be the apt itinerary.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Vinay ji,

 

Thanks but I would rather devote my time in studying saints :-)

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> RR ji,

> Will you like to analyze the horoscope of great grandfather of all jihaadis ?

I made it long ago, but no publisher will ever publish it, for fear of jihaadis.

It has all the yogas which caused Islam to spread with lighting speed.

> -VJ

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

>

> Monday, April 13, 2009 10:50:10 AM

> Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!Dear Neelam ji,

>

> If I *knew* the answer to such a crucial problem that runs rampant across our

human society, would I be hanging out here where all devotees convene ;-)

>

> Seriously, though, I have not been approached by any jihaadi or suicide bomber

or a fanatic of that caliber or one that I recall. I am just being honest and do

not just conjure up an answer or yoga/combination, just for the heck of it ;-)

>

> But if you ask around, I bet you will get an answer and perhaps many...

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Strangely, that is what I thought too, a terrorist (of any kind) including

> > the suicide bomber!

> > One from the populace, but charged with the wrong chemicals/chemistry .

> >

> > Which varga do you think should have gone wrong? Chaturthamsha?

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> > 2009/4/12 Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > No Neelam ji, just the 'wrong' chemistry landing on and in the matchhead

> > > :-)

> > >

> > > When I wrote about the matchstick and forest, I was specifically thinking

> > > of the sad reality of 'suicide' bombers. But then, when has humanity

thought

> > > much of human life and its values. Wars have been with us from times

> > > Scriptural!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > > <% 40. com>,

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > And also burns itself in the process!

> > > > Are we talking about annihilation here?

> > > >

> > > > Watch out for what? HYPER-GOLS!

> > > >

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2009/4/10 Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > If I may extend that thought: It is the explosive, easily inflammed

> > > > > chemistry at the head of the wooden matchstick that is responsible, at

> > > the

> > > > > slightest friction to then create this firestorm you talked about

which

> > > ends

> > > > > up the matchstick burning the very forest it came from :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > How interesting!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <% 40.

com><JyotishGrou p%

> > > 40. com>,

> > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // As they say, " Trees falling in remote forests do not make any

> > > noise! "

> > > > > //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But a single matchstick made from those fallen tress, has the

> > > potential

> > > > > to create a firestorm and cause great havoc,in a nearby known

> > > civilsation.

> > > > > So underestimation may not be the apt itinerary.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

RR ji,

My late Guruji had ordered me to study saints' horoscopes. But I possess scanty

birthdata about saints. Can you help me ?

-vj

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

 

Monday, April 13, 2009 9:25:26 PM

Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!>

 

 

 

 

 

Vinay ji,

 

Thanks but I would rather devote my time in studying saints :-)

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> RR ji,

> Will you like to analyze the horoscope of great grandfather of all jihaadis ?

I made it long ago, but no publisher will ever publish it, for fear of jihaadis.

It has all the yogas which caused Islam to spread with lighting speed.

> -VJ

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Monday, April 13, 2009 10:50:10 AM

> Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!Dear Neelam ji,

>

> If I *knew* the answer to such a crucial problem that runs rampant across our

human society, would I be hanging out here where all devotees convene ;-)

>

> Seriously, though, I have not been approached by any jihaadi or suicide bomber

or a fanatic of that caliber or one that I recall. I am just being honest and do

not just conjure up an answer or yoga/combination, just for the heck of it ;-)

>

> But if you ask around, I bet you will get an answer and perhaps many...

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Strangely, that is what I thought too, a terrorist (of any kind) including

> > the suicide bomber!

> > One from the populace, but charged with the wrong chemicals/chemistry .

> >

> > Which varga do you think should have gone wrong? Chaturthamsha?

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> > 2009/4/12 Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > No Neelam ji, just the 'wrong' chemistry landing on and in the matchhead

> > > :-)

> > >

> > > When I wrote about the matchstick and forest, I was specifically thinking

> > > of the sad reality of 'suicide' bombers. But then, when has humanity

thought

> > > much of human life and its values. Wars have been with us from times

> > > Scriptural!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > > <% 40. com>,

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > And also burns itself in the process!

> > > > Are we talking about annihilation here?

> > > >

> > > > Watch out for what? HYPER-GOLS!

> > > >

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2009/4/10 Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > If I may extend that thought: It is the explosive, easily inflammed

> > > > > chemistry at the head of the wooden matchstick that is responsible, at

> > > the

> > > > > slightest friction to then create this firestorm you talked about

which

> > > ends

> > > > > up the matchstick burning the very forest it came from :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > How interesting!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <% 40.

com><JyotishGrou p%

> > > 40. com>,

> > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // As they say, " Trees falling in remote forests do not make any

> > > noise! "

> > > > > //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But a single matchstick made from those fallen tress, has the

> > > potential

> > > > > to create a firestorm and cause great havoc,in a nearby known

> > > civilsation.

> > > > > So underestimation may not be the apt itinerary.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Vinay ji,

 

I will offer what little I have in that area. As soon as I get back to home-base

in a few days. Currently, the red sandstone Ganapathi right next to Airawat (you

might have seen it recently!) is taking up nearly all of my feeble attention...

 

RR

 

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> RR ji,

> My late Guruji had ordered me to study saints' horoscopes. But I possess

scanty birthdata about saints. Can you help me ?

> -vj

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

>

> Monday, April 13, 2009 9:25:26 PM

> Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!Vinay ji,

>

> Thanks but I would rather devote my time in studying saints :-)

>

> RR

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > RR ji,

> > Will you like to analyze the horoscope of great grandfather of all jihaadis

? I made it long ago, but no publisher will ever publish it, for fear of

jihaadis. It has all the yogas which caused Islam to spread with lighting speed.

> > -VJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Monday, April 13, 2009 10:50:10 AM

> > Re: Greeks vs Indians <HOLY JEUS!>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji,

> >

> > If I *knew* the answer to such a crucial problem that runs rampant across

our human society, would I be hanging out here where all devotees convene ;-)

> >

> > Seriously, though, I have not been approached by any jihaadi or suicide

bomber or a fanatic of that caliber or one that I recall. I am just being honest

and do not just conjure up an answer or yoga/combination, just for the heck of

it ;-)

> >

> > But if you ask around, I bet you will get an answer and perhaps many...

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Strangely, that is what I thought too, a terrorist (of any kind) including

> > > the suicide bomber!

> > > One from the populace, but charged with the wrong chemicals/chemistry .

> > >

> > > Which varga do you think should have gone wrong? Chaturthamsha?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/4/12 Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > No Neelam ji, just the 'wrong' chemistry landing on and in the matchhead

> > > > :-)

> > > >

> > > > When I wrote about the matchstick and forest, I was specifically

thinking

> > > > of the sad reality of 'suicide' bombers. But then, when has humanity

thought

> > > > much of human life and its values. Wars have been with us from times

> > > > Scriptural!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <% 40.

com>,

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > And also burns itself in the process!

> > > > > Are we talking about annihilation here?

> > > > >

> > > > > Watch out for what? HYPER-GOLS!

> > > > >

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/4/10 Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If I may extend that thought: It is the explosive, easily inflammed

> > > > > > chemistry at the head of the wooden matchstick that is responsible,

at

> > > > the

> > > > > > slightest friction to then create this firestorm you talked about

which

> > > > ends

> > > > > > up the matchstick burning the very forest it came from :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How interesting!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <% 40.

com><JyotishGrou p%

> > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > // As they say, " Trees falling in remote forests do not make any

> > > > noise! "

> > > > > > //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But a single matchstick made from those fallen tress, has the

> > > > potential

> > > > > > to create a firestorm and cause great havoc,in a nearby known

> > > > civilsation.

> > > > > > So underestimation may not be the apt itinerary.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >