Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Hello Mr. Molnar, A debilitated planet becomes weak and a weak planet loses its strength so it cannot promote its significations. There is no logic in " debilitated natural malefics like saturn and mars shows their cruel or wrong side when they are debilitated " and it is not right. All planets when weak due to debilitation or for any other reasons fail to protect their significations, give delayed results and become vulnerable to natal and transit afflictions. Best wishes, - " Miklos Molnar " <mi_molnar Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:47 PM debilitated planets > Dear members, > > I have a little confusion about the debilitated planets. Is there any > logic behind the following things : debilitated natural malefics like > saturn and mars shows their cruel or wrong side when they are debilitated. > I do not understand this because if a planet is debilitated, then in most > of the time it loses its strength so it cannot promote its significations > even the cruel and bad ones. Probably I mix up the strength and the > debilitated state? > If there is no logic of course we have to accept the ancient texts. > > I understand that natural benefics like Jupiter, Mercury, Moon is bad when > debilitated because their good infulence is lost or decreased. > Thanks for the help. > > Regards, Miklos > > > > > Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with > voicemail > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Dear Miklos, Functional nature of planets are not related to their strength. The 6th 8th and 12th Moolatrikona lords and the nodes will always be functional malefics. Say for Capricorn ascendants, Most benefic planet Mars, which in classical literature is considered natural malefic but in SA is the MBP, say is weak due to debilitation, well placed in the 7th house, with dispositor in strength. Can be viewed as a person A in friends house and the environment is conducive as dispositor 7th lord is a benefic house. But Mars is debilitated there, so Person A has some issues is say weak in health or has lost an arm and finds it difficult to take care of his 4th house significance and self that is the significance of Mars like Assets, mother,passion, mental peace, courage , domestic peace, passion anger etc will be challenged during malefic transits on the 4th house or Mars or both. But Mars being a functional benefic will always try to protect and manifest the above properties but with delay as person A has his arm cut off, he can work with the other arm but it takes time. While during the same negative transits the negative side of mars anger, cruel, unrelenting attitude etc will apparently be projected...BUT NOTE this negative quality will leave a temporary impression of the native on his friends and people around him about him only during the phase of transit afflictions....while Mars will always remain a FUNCTIONAL benefic and will generally give a postive quality the general qualities of Mars as a benefic... But since Mars being weak and debilitated will suffer from frequent transit affliction...and the larger picture the world will see of the native will be that ....who has the potential to improve a lot his 4th house and martian significance but has debility and during transit afflictions suffers from both the positive significance and apparent temporary negative significance of the planet. Hope this helps.. Amit , Miklos Molnar <mi_molnar> wrote: > Dear members, > > I have a little confusion about the debilitated planets. Is there any logic behind the following things : debilitated natural malefics like saturn and mars shows their cruel or wrong side when they are debilitated. I do not understand this because if a planet is debilitated, then in most of the time it loses its strength so it cannot promote its significations even the cruel and bad ones. Probably I mix up the strength and the debilitated state? > If there is no logic of course we have to accept the ancient texts. > > I understand that natural benefics like Jupiter, Mercury, Moon is bad when debilitated because their good infulence is lost or decreased. > Thanks for the help. > > Regards, Miklos > > > > > Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Dear Mr. Amit: Very good explanation. Thanks Yogesh , " amit_patnaik6 " <amit_patnaik6> wrote: > Dear Miklos, > > Functional nature of planets are not related to their strength. The > 6th 8th and 12th Moolatrikona lords and the nodes will always be > functional malefics. > Say for Capricorn ascendants, Most benefic planet Mars, which in > classical literature is considered natural malefic but in SA is the > MBP, say is weak due to debilitation, well placed in the 7th house, > with dispositor in strength. > Can be viewed as a person A in friends house and the environment is > conducive as dispositor 7th lord is a benefic house. > But Mars is debilitated there, so Person A has some issues is say weak > in health or has lost an arm and finds it difficult to take care of > his 4th house significance and self that is the significance of Mars > like Assets, mother,passion, mental peace, courage , domestic peace, > passion anger etc will be challenged during malefic transits on the > 4th house or Mars or both. > But Mars being a functional benefic will always try to protect and > manifest the above properties but with delay as person A has his arm > cut off, he can work with the other arm but it takes time. > While during the same negative transits the negative side of mars > anger, cruel, unrelenting attitude etc will apparently be > projected...BUT NOTE this negative quality will leave a temporary > impression of the native on his friends and people around him about > him only during the phase of transit afflictions....while Mars will > always remain a FUNCTIONAL benefic and will generally give a postive > quality the general qualities of Mars as a benefic... > But since Mars being weak and debilitated will suffer from frequent > transit affliction...and the larger picture the world will see of the > native will be that ....who has the potential to improve a lot his 4th > house and martian significance but has debility and during transit > afflictions suffers from both the positive significance and apparent > temporary negative significance of the planet. > > Hope this helps.. > Amit > > , Miklos Molnar <mi_molnar> wrote: > > Dear members, > > > > I have a little confusion about the debilitated planets. Is there > any logic behind the following things : debilitated natural malefics > like saturn and mars shows their cruel or wrong side when they are > debilitated. I do not understand this because if a planet is > debilitated, then in most of the time it loses its strength so it > cannot promote its significations even the cruel and bad ones. > Probably I mix up the strength and the debilitated state? > > If there is no logic of course we have to accept the ancient texts. > > > > I understand that natural benefics like Jupiter, Mercury, Moon is > bad when debilitated because their good infulence is lost or decreased. > > Thanks for the help. > > > > Regards, Miklos > > > > > > > > > > Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide > with voicemail > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Dear Amit, Thanks for the help. But debilitated planets in natal chart show areas in the life which will have permanent problems/issues that need to be improved and taken care in the whole life, or am I mistaken? Or the effect of a deb. planet will only apply when badly transited or when its dasha/bhukti is running? What if a deb. planet like Mars in the given exmple very much afflicted with Saturn and Rahu/Ketu in the natal chart. Only this case causes permanent problems which applies in the whole life? Thanks for the help. Regards, Miklos amit_patnaik6 <amit_patnaik6 wrote: Dear Miklos, Functional nature of planets are not related to their strength. The 6th 8th and 12th Moolatrikona lords and the nodes will always be functional malefics. Say for Capricorn ascendants, Most benefic planet Mars, which in classical literature is considered natural malefic but in SA is the MBP, say is weak due to debilitation, well placed in the 7th house, with dispositor in strength. Can be viewed as a person A in friends house and the environment is conducive as dispositor 7th lord is a benefic house. But Mars is debilitated there, so Person A has some issues is say weak in health or has lost an arm and finds it difficult to take care of his 4th house significance and self that is the significance of Mars like Assets, mother,passion, mental peace, courage , domestic peace, passion anger etc will be challenged during malefic transits on the 4th house or Mars or both. But Mars being a functional benefic will always try to protect and manifest the above properties but with delay as person A has his arm cut off, he can work with the other arm but it takes time. While during the same negative transits the negative side of mars anger, cruel, unrelenting attitude etc will apparently be projected...BUT NOTE this negative quality will leave a temporary impression of the native on his friends and people around him about him only during the phase of transit afflictions....while Mars will always remain a FUNCTIONAL benefic and will generally give a postive quality the general qualities of Mars as a benefic... But since Mars being weak and debilitated will suffer from frequent transit affliction...and the larger picture the world will see of the native will be that ....who has the potential to improve a lot his 4th house and martian significance but has debility and during transit afflictions suffers from both the positive significance and apparent temporary negative significance of the planet. Hope this helps.. Amit , Miklos Molnar <mi_molnar> wrote: > Dear members, > > I have a little confusion about the debilitated planets. Is there any logic behind the following things : debilitated natural malefics like saturn and mars shows their cruel or wrong side when they are debilitated. I do not understand this because if a planet is debilitated, then in most of the time it loses its strength so it cannot promote its significations even the cruel and bad ones. Probably I mix up the strength and the debilitated state? > If there is no logic of course we have to accept the ancient texts. > > I understand that natural benefics like Jupiter, Mercury, Moon is bad when debilitated because their good infulence is lost or decreased. > Thanks for the help. > > Regards, Miklos > > > > > Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Dear Miklos, If you read the last paragraph your question will be answered.(so if i say Person A's arms are cut and he finds difficulty in doing his work.. so BUT OBVIOUSLY if he doest do something about it(remedy) he will continue suffering on it...so he adjusts to his debility and may use remedies that is artificial limbs to improve his situation largely) Issues have to be taken care of thats why remedies are there. I dont have time to explain further now, but let me tell you something..... inherent problems in life are exploited during transits and weak subperiods. Thanks Amit , Miklos Molnar <mi_molnar> wrote: > Dear Amit, > > Thanks for the help. But debilitated planets in natal chart show areas in the life which will have permanent problems/issues that need to be improved and taken care in the whole life, or am I mistaken? Or the effect of a deb. planet will only apply when badly transited or when its dasha/bhukti is running? > > What if a deb. planet like Mars in the given exmple very much afflicted with Saturn and Rahu/Ketu in the natal chart. Only this case causes permanent problems which applies in the whole life? > > Thanks for the help. > > Regards, Miklos > > amit_patnaik6 <amit_patnaik6> wrote: > Dear Miklos, > > Functional nature of planets are not related to their strength. The > 6th 8th and 12th Moolatrikona lords and the nodes will always be > functional malefics. > Say for Capricorn ascendants, Most benefic planet Mars, which in > classical literature is considered natural malefic but in SA is the > MBP, say is weak due to debilitation, well placed in the 7th house, > with dispositor in strength. > Can be viewed as a person A in friends house and the environment is > conducive as dispositor 7th lord is a benefic house. > But Mars is debilitated there, so Person A has some issues is say weak > in health or has lost an arm and finds it difficult to take care of > his 4th house significance and self that is the significance of Mars > like Assets, mother,passion, mental peace, courage , domestic peace, > passion anger etc will be challenged during malefic transits on the > 4th house or Mars or both. > But Mars being a functional benefic will always try to protect and > manifest the above properties but with delay as person A has his arm > cut off, he can work with the other arm but it takes time. > While during the same negative transits the negative side of mars > anger, cruel, unrelenting attitude etc will apparently be > projected...BUT NOTE this negative quality will leave a temporary > impression of the native on his friends and people around him about > him only during the phase of transit afflictions....while Mars will > always remain a FUNCTIONAL benefic and will generally give a postive > quality the general qualities of Mars as a benefic... > But since Mars being weak and debilitated will suffer from frequent > transit affliction...and the larger picture the world will see of the > native will be that ....who has the potential to improve a lot his 4th > house and martian significance but has debility and during transit > afflictions suffers from both the positive significance and apparent > temporary negative significance of the planet. > > Hope this helps.. > Amit > > , Miklos Molnar <mi_molnar> wrote: > > Dear members, > > > > I have a little confusion about the debilitated planets. Is there > any logic behind the following things : debilitated natural malefics > like saturn and mars shows their cruel or wrong side when they are > debilitated. I do not understand this because if a planet is > debilitated, then in most of the time it loses its strength so it > cannot promote its significations even the cruel and bad ones. > Probably I mix up the strength and the debilitated state? > > If there is no logic of course we have to accept the ancient texts. > > > > I understand that natural benefics like Jupiter, Mercury, Moon is > bad when debilitated because their good infulence is lost or decreased. > > Thanks for the help. > > > > Regards, Miklos > > > > > > > > > > Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide > with voicemail > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Hello Sujit, In SA exchange of signs can be considered only if both the planets are in their mooltrikona signs which is not there in this case. So both Mars and the Moon not only delay in giving their results but also fail to protect their significations, both general and particular, during transit afflictions.The prominent are mental peace, happiness in distant places, and happiness in relationship. Best wishes, - " Sujit " <sujit68 Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:10 AM debilitated planets > Dear Professor, > > I would like to know the results of debilitated planets. In this chart > Moon antar dasha is running & both Moon and Mars are > debilitated and have exchanged places. Both are functional benefics and > moon is getting aspect from mercury. > > May 9, 1963 > 11:58pm > Trichur > > Thank you > Sujit > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Hello MEW, I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes. - " Mary Ellen Wright " <avz.9271r Friday, February 29, 2008 8:27 PM Debilitated planets Dear : Many thanks to you and the other conference members for your generosity of time and knowledge regarding the proceeding's results ... it's much appreciated! WELCOME. If there is a debilitated but not afflicted planet residing in a MT house of a strong dispositor, would the results of the subperiod of the strong dispositor be influenced? Or does this rule only apply to the presence of afflicted planets? RULE APPLIES TO ONLY AFFLICTED PLANETS. HOWEVER, FOR WEAK PLANETS PLACED IN MT SIGN HOUSE, ONE WOULD GET LESS GOOD RESULTS / DELAYS FOR THE SIGNIFICATIONS OF THE WEAK PLANET. Regarding the solar houses of 2nd, 3rd and 9th ... if there is a debilitated planet residing in one of those houses does also it gain the 25% strength increase relative to its present strength? YES. Best Wishes, Mew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Thank you Sir ... Best Wishes, Mew , <siha wrote: > > > Hello MEW, > > I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > " Mary Ellen Wright " <avz.9271r > > Friday, February 29, 2008 8:27 PM > Debilitated planets > > > Dear : > > Many thanks to you and the other conference members for your > generosity of time and knowledge regarding the proceeding's > results ... it's much appreciated! > WELCOME. > If there is a debilitated but not afflicted planet residing in a MT > house of a strong dispositor, would the results of the subperiod of > the strong dispositor be influenced? Or does this rule only apply to > the presence of afflicted planets? > RULE APPLIES TO ONLY AFFLICTED PLANETS. > > HOWEVER, FOR WEAK PLANETS PLACED IN MT SIGN HOUSE, ONE WOULD GET LESS GOOD > RESULTS / DELAYS FOR THE SIGNIFICATIONS OF THE WEAK PLANET. > Regarding the solar houses of 2nd, 3rd and 9th ... if there is a > debilitated planet residing in one of those houses does also it gain > the 25% strength increase relative to its present strength? > YES. > Best Wishes, > > Mew > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Dear members, For those interested or in love with Debilitated planets, can add this birth data to your database Female: 30-Aug-1970, 15:30 hrs, Mumbai, Sagittarius Lagna. She has Venus & Saturn Debilitated. Venus debilitated both in natal & navamsa, also experienced full dasha of Venus. The Venus is in end degrees i.e. 29:15 , Saturn 29:08. This hororscope details were given to me by my inquisitive colleague who learnt that I do astro_readings, to keep me busy during lunch hour-today. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Dear Sir, For astro learning could you indicate how was her venus dasha. Regards Volunteer www.saptarishisastrology.com , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Dear members, > > For those interested or in love with Debilitated planets, can add this > birth data to your database > > Female: 30-Aug-1970, 15:30 hrs, Mumbai, Sagittarius Lagna. > > She has Venus & Saturn Debilitated. Venus debilitated both in natal & > navamsa, also experienced full dasha of Venus. The Venus is in end > degrees i.e. 29:15 , Saturn 29:08. > > This hororscope details were given to me by my inquisitive colleague who > learnt that I do astro_readings, to keep me busy during lunch > hour-today. > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Dhanu lagna, Venus in 10th house debilitated, Saturn in 5th house debilitated, Sun in Bhagya Bhava in own house. Is mars with Sun in Leo or.... I do not have software.. Anyway---- Messed up love affair, In the arts, fashion or cinema business. Rahu was in Aquarius 3rd house. Must have taken an unnecessary bold step.. resulting in some problems. Also met with sucess. How is health of father...--- On Wed, 26/3/08, saptarishisastrology <saptarishis wrote: saptarishisastrology <saptarishis Re: Debilitated Planets Date: Wednesday, 26 March, 2008, 6:37 PM Dear Sir,For astro learning could you indicate how was her venus dasha.RegardsVolunteerwww.saptarishisastr ology.comancient_indian_ astrology, "sreeram srinivas"<sreeram64@. ..> wrote:>>> Dear members,>> For those interested or in love with Debilitated planets, can add this> birth data to your database>> Female: 30-Aug-1970, 15:30 hrs, Mumbai, Sagittarius Lagna.>> She has Venus & Saturn Debilitated. Venus debilitated both in natal & > navamsa, also experienced full dasha of Venus. The Venus is in end> degrees i.e. 29:15 , Saturn 29:08.>> This hororscope details were given to me by my inquisitive colleaguewho> learnt that I do astro_readings, to keep me busy during lunch> hour-today.>> With regards,>> Sreeram_Srinivas> Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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