Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:43 PM > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:08 AM > > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:54 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > > > > > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " This consciousness, which depends on the food body > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > born, is time-bound. That which is prior to consciousness is the > > > > > > > > > Absolute, > > > > > > > > > and when consciousness is without a form and not aware of itself, it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the Absolute. We are nothing but this consciousness. My apparent > > > > > > > > > dependence is on this consciousness which says,'I am'. It is this > > > > > > > > > sentience which enables me to perceive you. This concept I did not > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > but even then I existed. I was there before this consciousness > > > > > > > > > appeared. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I, Werner, say that I wasn't there and there also is no such thing > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > the 'Absolute'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because you are just that: werner - obviously. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can somebody be a word? > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No way. But that is the nature of illusion. And from such limited > > > > > > > framework > > > > > > > the absolute is nonexitent. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, folks are too busy with 'other things'. > > > > > > > > > > > > With others, in general. > > > > > > > > > > > > With separating themselves as firmly as possible, so as to imagine oneself > > > > > > as an individual " me " . > > > > > > > > > > > > It's an incredibly flimsy non-foundation for living an imaginary life in a > > > > > > dream world. > > > > > > > > > > > > And folks are doing it all the time. > > > > > > > > > > What folks? > > > > > > > > > > Those " others " who don't exist? > > > > > > > > > > They are doing something? > > > > > > > > > > I see the activity you are referring to. > > > > > > > > > > It is an " attempt " - made by no one. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not fooled by it, anymore than I'm fooled by any second-rate horror > > > > > movie. > > > > > > > > > > When I was young, those kind of horror movies seemed real scary. > > > > > > > > > > So, they fooled me temporarily. > > > > > > > > > > " As a child, I saw as I child. Then, I put away childish things. " > > > > > > > > > > " I saw as through a glass darkly, now I see face to face. " > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > Yes..it is the nature of consciousness. No entities envolved - in this > > > > > entity-filled-movie - amazing! > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it is amazing. And amazement is a reaction, and a reaction is only possible as long as there is a distance between observer and observed. > > > > > > > > Amazing it is, up to the point where nothing can be said. > > > > > > > > Observing an endless complexity of being, constant change, perception and movement - spontaneous presentation of being on all sides. > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > " spontaneous presentation of being on all sides. " ? > > > > > > induced by what? > > > > > > or more precisely.. > > > > > > for what? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > not induced. > > > > from nothing, by nothing, for nothing. > > > > - D - > > > wow. > > that's really something. > > and that's easy to say. > > in and by and for itself. > > but it's nothing to talk about. > > what induces you to say anything at all. > > the question? > > there are no answers. > > beginning and end of story. > > just had to say that. > > though that too doesn't mean a damn thing. > > .b b.b. Yup. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:35 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:08 AM > > > > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:54 AM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > > > > > > > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " This consciousness, which depends on the food body > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > born, is time-bound. That which is prior to consciousness is the > > > > > > > > > > > Absolute, > > > > > > > > > > > and when consciousness is without a form and not aware of itself, it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the Absolute. We are nothing but this consciousness. My apparent > > > > > > > > > > > dependence is on this consciousness which says,'I am'. It is this > > > > > > > > > > > sentience which enables me to perceive you. This concept I did not > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > but even then I existed. I was there before this consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > appeared. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I, Werner, say that I wasn't there and there also is no such thing > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > the 'Absolute'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because you are just that: werner - obviously. > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can somebody be a word? > > > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No way. But that is the nature of illusion. And from such limited > > > > > > > > > framework > > > > > > > > > the absolute is nonexitent. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe the better question would be: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how can " someone " " be " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Well...there is being as a person and there is just being per-se > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why try and qualify the fundamental mystery with comparisons... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or try and make the inexplicable a defined " thing " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is unknown is..has always been..will always be.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UNKNOWN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not within the realm of discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's silly boys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The " person " feels he knows who he is as the observer, limiting itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " person " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh c'mon now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the way.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what does " feels " mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does the foot feel the ground or does it feel itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does feeling feeling itself, feel like, Bob? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beats me. > > > > > > > > > > what is asking, asking asking, really asking, dan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > it's asking asking whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous asking, or whether to take arms against a sea of questions, and by opposing, continue them... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > > > > i love chocolate mint tea on a cool moonlit summer's eve. > > > > > > there is in the mind here no question about it. > > > > > > an idle enjoyment of woolgathering moment. > > > > > > tonight the lakeside. > > > > > > perchance to dream. > > > > > > inside dreams. > > > > > > unopposed. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > I suppose. > > > > > > so. > > > > > > - D - > > > ya think? > > huh! > > i don't. > > .b b.b. i. donut. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " This consciousness, which depends on the food body which is born, is time-bound. That which is prior to consciousness is the Absolute, and when consciousness is without a form and not aware of itself, it is the Absolute. We are nothing but this consciousness. My apparent dependence is on this consciousness which says,'I am'. It is this sentience which enables me to perceive you. This concept I did not have but even then I existed. I was there before this consciousness appeared. " > > > > Thanks for posting this. > > > > Nice quote. > > > > If you follow this scenario carefully as depicted, the observer (a sentient entity) and the observed (the consciousness of the body sustained by food) is the same. > > > > The observer is the observed. > > > > There is no space apart. > > > > If there is no distance apart, there is no way for a " true definition " to be made. > > > > Therefore, this so-called consciousness can't define what it really is. > > > > The attempt to define results in a body-consciousness and an assumed location for the awareness (associated with and as the consciousness). > > > > But that never really happened, was assumed by never actually could be defined. > > > > So, there is, indeed, simply " this awareness " being, without ever knowing itself (as an object or as something named). > > > > > Yes, Dan, > > awareness or consciousness never is aware of itself. > > When you say 'I am aware of' then it is just thought saying that. Thought separating itself from the content of conscious and thus claiming to be the owner of consciousness. > > Niz himself was fooled by that and believed in an independend awareness prior to consciousness. But consciousness is all there is and such a thing as 'awareness' being the owner of conscioiusness does not exist. It is a delusion caused by thought. D: Are you sure that's what Nis. believed? I didn't hear him say that awareness owns anything. Hey, since he's dead, I suppose you can claim to be the expert about what he believed, although I don't believe that you are. If you live as awareness, then there is nothing else for you. Is that true for you? Because if it is, I'm not sure what value it would have to say a dead man was fooled and believed some things and not other things. For you, it's all just the play of " consciousness " right? So, thought trying to own what Nisargadatta believed or didn't believe wouldn't appeal to you, would it? > > There is an attempt to define, an intent to exist, an intent to know forms and be formed ... but never an actuality to it. > > > > " This consciousness appeared " ... > > > > But did it really? > > > > > Consciousness is its content. No content -> no consciousness. Therefore the only which is are appearances, contents appearing and fading away. Waht is called comnsciousness is this is a constant flux of appearances. D: Yes, appearance is flux. > consciousness itself, being a kind of a mirror in which objects appear does not exist. D: Why bring up an idea to shoot it down? If there is only constanst flux, does it matter what thought determines to be true or false about a particular term or idea? What thought believes today may be different tomorrow, given the constant flux. > And now, Dan, is following philosophical splish splash, in short: Nonsens: D: So your thought labeling what it thinks has been thought somewhere else as nonsense, is not itself nonsense? Such nonsense you write. If there is only flux of appearance, this is as true of the thoughts you write, as it is true of all written thoughts. Your thoughts are as nonsensical as any others, given the constant flux of appearance and disappearance. You can't step out of it, to comment about it, anymore than I can. - Dan - > > If the appearance and the one it appears to has no distance apart, has something appeared, has something happened? > > > > Happening and not-happening are the same. > > > > Awareness and that which happens to awareness are the same. > > > > Being and non-being are one. > > > > Werner > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:43 PM > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:08 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:54 AM > > > > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > > > > > > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " This consciousness, which depends on the food body > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > born, is time-bound. That which is prior to consciousness is the > > > > > > > > > > Absolute, > > > > > > > > > > and when consciousness is without a form and not aware of itself, it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the Absolute. We are nothing but this consciousness. My apparent > > > > > > > > > > dependence is on this consciousness which says,'I am'. It is this > > > > > > > > > > sentience which enables me to perceive you. This concept I did not > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > but even then I existed. I was there before this consciousness > > > > > > > > > > appeared. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I, Werner, say that I wasn't there and there also is no such thing > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > the 'Absolute'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because you are just that: werner - obviously. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can somebody be a word? > > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No way. But that is the nature of illusion. And from such limited > > > > > > > > framework > > > > > > > > the absolute is nonexitent. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, folks are too busy with 'other things'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With others, in general. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With separating themselves as firmly as possible, so as to imagine oneself > > > > > > > as an individual " me " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's an incredibly flimsy non-foundation for living an imaginary life in a > > > > > > > dream world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And folks are doing it all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > What folks? > > > > > > > > > > > > Those " others " who don't exist? > > > > > > > > > > > > They are doing something? > > > > > > > > > > > > I see the activity you are referring to. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an " attempt " - made by no one. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not fooled by it, anymore than I'm fooled by any second-rate horror > > > > > > movie. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I was young, those kind of horror movies seemed real scary. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, they fooled me temporarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > " As a child, I saw as I child. Then, I put away childish things. " > > > > > > > > > > > > " I saw as through a glass darkly, now I see face to face. " > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes..it is the nature of consciousness. No entities envolved - in this > > > > > > entity-filled-movie - amazing! > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it is amazing. And amazement is a reaction, and a reaction is only possible as long as there is a distance between observer and observed. > > > > > > > > > > Amazing it is, up to the point where nothing can be said. > > > > > > > > > > Observing an endless complexity of being, constant change, perception and movement - spontaneous presentation of being on all sides. > > > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > " spontaneous presentation of being on all sides. " ? > > > > > > > > induced by what? > > > > > > > > or more precisely.. > > > > > > > > for what? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > not induced. > > > > > > from nothing, by nothing, for nothing. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > wow. > > > > that's really something. > > > > and that's easy to say. > > > > in and by and for itself. > > > > but it's nothing to talk about. > > > > what induces you to say anything at all. > > > > the question? > > > > there are no answers. > > > > beginning and end of story. > > > > just had to say that. > > > > though that too doesn't mean a damn thing. > > > > .b b.b. > > > Yup. > > - D - yap. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:35 AM > > > > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:08 AM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:54 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > > > > > > > > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " This consciousness, which depends on the food body > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > born, is time-bound. That which is prior to consciousness is the > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolute, > > > > > > > > > > > > and when consciousness is without a form and not aware of itself, it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > the Absolute. We are nothing but this consciousness. My apparent > > > > > > > > > > > > dependence is on this consciousness which says,'I am'. It is this > > > > > > > > > > > > sentience which enables me to perceive you. This concept I did not > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > but even then I existed. I was there before this consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I, Werner, say that I wasn't there and there also is no such thing > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > the 'Absolute'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because you are just that: werner - obviously. > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can somebody be a word? > > > > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No way. But that is the nature of illusion. And from such limited > > > > > > > > > > framework > > > > > > > > > > the absolute is nonexitent. > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe the better question would be: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how can " someone " " be " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Well...there is being as a person and there is just being per-se > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why try and qualify the fundamental mystery with comparisons... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or try and make the inexplicable a defined " thing " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is unknown is..has always been..will always be.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UNKNOWN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not within the realm of discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's silly boys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The " person " feels he knows who he is as the observer, limiting itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " person " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh c'mon now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the way.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what does " feels " mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does the foot feel the ground or does it feel itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does feeling feeling itself, feel like, Bob? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beats me. > > > > > > > > > > > > what is asking, asking asking, really asking, dan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > it's asking asking whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous asking, or whether to take arms against a sea of questions, and by opposing, continue them... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > > > > > > > i love chocolate mint tea on a cool moonlit summer's eve. > > > > > > > > there is in the mind here no question about it. > > > > > > > > an idle enjoyment of woolgathering moment. > > > > > > > > tonight the lakeside. > > > > > > > > perchance to dream. > > > > > > > > inside dreams. > > > > > > > > unopposed. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose. > > > > > > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > ya think? > > > > huh! > > > > i don't. > > > > .b b.b. > > i. > > donut. > > 0 the holes are my favorite part. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And the so-called food body or meat body - that is a contradiction, a thing experienced as an object that also assumes " consciousness " for the experiencing of itself as object. > > > > > > > > > > > > The observer is always the observed. Even when there are " manifestations " seemingly occurring. Even when objects are encountered, perceptions taking place, and even when there are strangely twisted actions seeming to indicate an addiction to a center. > > > > > > > > > > > > The observer is never not the observed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is to say, there is nothing that is not awareness. > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > This will remain open. If a spend just a second pondering upon it is obvious that all is awareness. But then what is conflict? What is conflicting desires? What is thinking what one does not want to or is absolutely not interested in thinking? What is to be taken by envy, > > > > > > jeoulosy and the kill for it? What is to defent a country with > > > > > > bombs? > > > > > > > > > > Awareness. Distorted into 'me' and 'you', but awareness nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > > > a theory that there is a theory that there are no theories... > > > > > > > > a conspiracy that there is a conspiracy..or maybe not. > > > > > > > > there's nothing said saying that there's nothing said. > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Shhhhhhh ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > let's wipe that out then. > > > > all of the old and most of the new. > > > > .b b.b. > > > btw.. > > i said that because that's what the old farmers said.. > > about why corncobs were so good employed as toilet paper. > > they wiped away all of the old and most of the new. > > it was in reply to your: > > " Shhhhhhh ..... > > it " . D: Ah. Now it makes sense. Funny. > of course Star Trek toilet tissue came along later on.. > > and vast improvements were made. > > like the Starship Enterprise.. > > in proper usage it circles Uranus and removes all Klingons. > > but i thought we might leave some of those older thoughts.. > > to cling onto as reminders of the fact.. > > that all thoughts are stinky. > > :-) > > .b b.b. D: Wise-ass. I cling onto the stinkiness until it doth serve me not. As spake the Great Cornholio of Lake Titicaca: " Where I come from there is no TP. My people have one bunghole. " Therefore, take this corn cob, brother, may it serve you well. And remember, all is play of consciousness, unless it is awareness, unless Nisargadatta was wrong, in which case, is anybody right when everybody's wrong? Does anybody know what time it is? Who is nobody when I turn out the lights? Disregard this message at your own risk. You have been warned. - Dan - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:35 AM > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:08 AM > > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:54 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Prior to consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > > > > > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " This consciousness, which depends on the food body > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > born, is time-bound. That which is prior to consciousness is the > > > > > > > > > Absolute, > > > > > > > > > and when consciousness is without a form and not aware of itself, it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the Absolute. We are nothing but this consciousness. My apparent > > > > > > > > > dependence is on this consciousness which says,'I am'. It is this > > > > > > > > > sentience which enables me to perceive you. This concept I did not > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > but even then I existed. I was there before this consciousness > > > > > > > > > appeared. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I, Werner, say that I wasn't there and there also is no such thing > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > the 'Absolute'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because you are just that: werner - obviously. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can somebody be a word? > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No way. But that is the nature of illusion. And from such limited > > > > > > > framework > > > > > > > the absolute is nonexitent. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe the better question would be: > > > > > > > > > > > > how can " someone " " be " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Well...there is being as a person and there is just being per-se > > > > > > > > > > > > why try and qualify the fundamental mystery with comparisons... > > > > > > > > > > > > or try and make the inexplicable a defined " thing " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > what is unknown is..has always been..will always be.. > > > > > > > > > > > > UNKNOWN. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not within the realm of discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > that's silly boys. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The " person " feels he knows who he is as the observer, limiting itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " person " ? > > > > > > > > > > oh c'mon now. > > > > > > > > > > by the way.. > > > > > > > > > > what does " feels " mean? > > > > > > > > > > does the foot feel the ground or does it feel itself? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does feeling feeling itself, feel like, Bob? > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > beats me. > > > > > > what is asking, asking asking, really asking, dan? > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > it's asking asking whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous asking, or whether to take arms against a sea of questions, and by opposing, continue them... > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > I think the key word here, is > > " ignobler " Iggy Nobler was a good friend of mine. And you, my friend, are no Iggy Nobler. - Dan -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > i. > > donut. > > 0 All donuts come across here as hole-ier than thou. Egoic little beasts, they are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > > I think the key word here, is > > > > " ignobler " > > > Iggy Nobler was a good friend of mine. > > And you, my friend, are no Iggy Nobler. > > - Dan -- What do you get when you cross Iggy Balloon with Iggy Pop? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the so-called food body or meat body - that is a contradiction, a thing experienced as an object that also assumes " consciousness " for the experiencing of itself as object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The observer is always the observed. Even when there are " manifestations " seemingly occurring. Even when objects are encountered, perceptions taking place, and even when there are strangely twisted actions seeming to indicate an addiction to a center. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The observer is never not the observed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is to say, there is nothing that is not awareness. > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will remain open. If a spend just a second pondering upon it is obvious that all is awareness. But then what is conflict? What is conflicting desires? What is thinking what one does not want to or is absolutely not interested in thinking? What is to be taken by envy, > > > > > > > jeoulosy and the kill for it? What is to defent a country with > > > > > > > bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness. Distorted into 'me' and 'you', but awareness nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a theory that there is a theory that there are no theories... > > > > > > > > > > a conspiracy that there is a conspiracy..or maybe not. > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing said saying that there's nothing said. > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shhhhhhh ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > > > > let's wipe that out then. > > > > > > all of the old and most of the new. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > btw.. > > > > i said that because that's what the old farmers said.. > > > > about why corncobs were so good employed as toilet paper. > > > > they wiped away all of the old and most of the new. > > > > it was in reply to your: > > > > " Shhhhhhh ..... > > > > it " . > > D: Ah. Now it makes sense. Funny. > > > > of course Star Trek toilet tissue came along later on.. > > > > and vast improvements were made. > > > > like the Starship Enterprise.. > > > > in proper usage it circles Uranus and removes all Klingons. > > > > but i thought we might leave some of those older thoughts.. > > > > to cling onto as reminders of the fact.. > > > > that all thoughts are stinky. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > D: Wise-ass. > > I cling onto the stinkiness until it doth serve me not. > > As spake the Great Cornholio of Lake Titicaca: " Where I come from there is no TP. My people have one bunghole. " > > Therefore, take this corn cob, brother, may it serve you well. > > And remember, all is play of consciousness, unless it is awareness, unless Nisargadatta was wrong, in which case, is anybody right when everybody's wrong? > > Does anybody know what time it is? > > Who is nobody when I turn out the lights? > > Disregard this message at your own risk. > > You have been warned. > > - Dan - :-) well! (ala Jack Benny) " Rochester.. i resemble that remark! " or was that Henny Youngman? it was one or a combination of one of those assholes. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > i. > > > > donut. > > > > 0 > > All donuts come across here as hole-ier than thou. > > Egoic little beasts, they are. is this one of those 'teachable moments " .. dreamt up over several solo beer summits held in one day? it's 9% funny..91% weird. bruised egos talk like that. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
