Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > - > > > > You are such an idiot. It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT WORD YOU USE; YOU > > > > IDIOT. > > > > awareness consciousness in your case I would use idiotness, a > > much > > > > lower level of consciousness I would imagine,right above ant > > > > conciousness > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > Mark > > > > > > P: You, are losing your cool. Of what use is a spiritual > > > knowledge that doesn't bring equanimity? Anyway, > > > resorting to insults, as Werner noticed, is a sign > > > that my words, and those of Werner, and bbb are > > > beginning to work in your subconscious. Please, don't > > > , now. Keep interacting with us. Soon your > > > defense will collapse, and you'll see, there is not a > > > thing to defend. Notice you're so upset you signed your > > > name twice. Is that what you're defending, your identity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is that you bill clinton? > > > > Mark > > P: You're out of ideas, and out of luck. > You are getting close. > > >I reckon the " P " is for pointless. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > In German and in serveral other languages the word awareness does not > > exist, only consciousness. > > > > Pity on me: I am German and therfore awareness does not shine for me. > > > > Besides that I think this " awareness " stuff Niz seemed to believe is > > nonsense. Maybe Niz was to much influenced by Ramana. > > > > Werner > > > you are of course quite correct werner. > > neither niz nor ram man knew very much at all. > > they didn't clutter their minds with useless shit like you do. > > they are THERE man! > > silly science games of imagination are for children. > > talk about nonsense. > > .b b.b. > lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In German and in serveral other languages the word awareness does > not > > > exist, only consciousness. > > > > > > Pity on me: I am German and therfore awareness does not shine for > me. > > > > > > Besides that I think this " awareness " stuff Niz seemed to believe > is > > > nonsense. Maybe Niz was to much influenced by Ramana. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > you are of course quite correct werner. > > > > neither niz nor ram man knew very much at all. > > > > they didn't clutter their minds with useless shit like you do. > > > > they are THERE man! > > > > silly science games of imagination are for children. > > > > talk about nonsense. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > lol > Ps: indeed, i think that Nis and Ramana had a much more peaceful life than few ones here ever could imagine.... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone. > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute, > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an > > > > > > > > oxymoron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the absolute, > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to Nisargadatta, > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis says that > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That, > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best, > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he > > > > > > differentiated both concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA% > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing. > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know? > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know? > > > > > And this one is starting to stink. > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably. When > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , mind, > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am aware " , it > > only > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There is > > no " I > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness goes > with > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation ceases. > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some kind > of > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this > debate > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really grasp? > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will die this > > way > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of ego > > > preservation. > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?.... > > > > poor Pete... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic discussions > about? > > > > there is nobody who care about such details.... > > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject. > > > > .... > > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary > somebody.....acting & reacting > > on an appearent > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc.... > > > > and mainly on his/herself so. > > > > .... > > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to no > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to No > world > > (s) > > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as an > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing. > > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here) > > > peace includes all war. > Mark > where there is peace....there is no war Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone. > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute, > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an > > > > > > > > oxymoron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the absolute, > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to Nisargadatta, > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis says that > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That, > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best, > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he > > > > > > differentiated both concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA% > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing. > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know? > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know? > > > > > And this one is starting to stink. > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably. When > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , mind, > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am aware " , it > > only > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There is > > no " I > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness goes > with > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation ceases. > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some kind > of > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this > debate > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really grasp? > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will die this > > way > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of ego > > > preservation. > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?.... > > > > poor Pete... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic discussions > about? > > > > there is nobody who care about such details.... > > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject. > > > > .... > > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary > somebody.....acting & reacting > > on an appearent > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc.... > > > > and mainly on his/herself so. > > > > .... > > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to no > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to No > world > > (s) > > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as an > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing. > > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here) > > > peace includes all war. > Mark > where there is peace....there is no war Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone. > > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as > > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute, > > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to > > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if > > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading > > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The > > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute > > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be > > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an > > > > > > > > > oxymoron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are > > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the absolute, > > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs > > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the > > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body > > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are > > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to > Nisargadatta, > > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis says > that > > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you > > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's > > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll > > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That, > > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't > > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he > > > > > > > differentiated both concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA% > > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing. > > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did > > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know? > > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing > > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know? > > > > > > And this one is starting to stink. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because > > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably. > When > > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , mind, > > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am aware " , > it > > > only > > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There is > > > no " I > > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness goes > > with > > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation > ceases. > > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some > kind > > of > > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this > > debate > > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really > grasp? > > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will die > this > > > way > > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of ego > > > > preservation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?.... > > > > > > poor Pete... > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness > > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic discussions > > about? > > > > > > there is nobody who care about such details.... > > > > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary > > somebody.....acting & reacting > > > on an appearent > > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc.... > > > > > > and mainly on his/herself so. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to no > > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to No > > world > > > (s) > > > > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as an > > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing. > > > > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here) > > > > > peace includes all war. > > Mark > > > > > where there is peace....there is no war > > > Marc ok. and marc mark my words... where there's war there is no peace. in fact.. where there's peace..there is no peace. peace is kinda like santa claus.. a dreamer's dream. peace, ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 23, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone. > > > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as > > > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute, > > > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to > > > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if > > > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading > > > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The > > > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute > > > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be > > > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an > > > > > > > > > > oxymoron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are > > > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the absolute, > > > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs > > > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the > > > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body > > > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are > > > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to > > Nisargadatta, > > > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis says > > that > > > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you > > > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's > > > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll > > > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That, > > > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't > > > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he > > > > > > > > differentiated both concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA% > > > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing. > > > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did > > > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know? > > > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing > > > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know? > > > > > > > And this one is starting to stink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because > > > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably. > > When > > > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , mind, > > > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am aware " , > > it > > > > only > > > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There is > > > > no " I > > > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness goes > > > with > > > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation > > ceases. > > > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some > > kind > > > of > > > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this > > > debate > > > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really > > grasp? > > > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will die > > this > > > > way > > > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of ego > > > > > preservation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?.... > > > > > > > > poor Pete... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness > > > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic discussions > > > about? > > > > > > > > there is nobody who care about such details.... > > > > > > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject. > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary > > > somebody.....acting & reacting > > > > on an appearent > > > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc.... > > > > > > > > and mainly on his/herself so. > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to no > > > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to No > > > world > > > > (s) > > > > > > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as an > > > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing. > > > > > > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here) > > > > > > > peace includes all war. > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > where there is peace....there is no war > > > > > > Marc > > > ok. > > and marc mark my words... > > where there's war there is no peace. > > in fact.. > > where there's peace..there is no peace. > > peace is kinda like santa claus.. > > a dreamer's dream. > > peace, > > .b b.b. > ok there is neither peace nor war for bbb good this deserve, again, all the love of all united non-dualists of the whole world ..... 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 23, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone. > > > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as > > > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute, > > > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to > > > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if > > > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading > > > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The > > > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute > > > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be > > > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an > > > > > > > > > > oxymoron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are > > > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the absolute, > > > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs > > > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the > > > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body > > > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are > > > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to > > Nisargadatta, > > > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis says > > that > > > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you > > > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's > > > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll > > > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That, > > > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't > > > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he > > > > > > > > differentiated both concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA% > > > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing. > > > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did > > > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know? > > > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing > > > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know? > > > > > > > And this one is starting to stink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because > > > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably. > > When > > > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , mind, > > > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am aware " , > > it > > > > only > > > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There is > > > > no " I > > > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness goes > > > with > > > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation > > ceases. > > > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some > > kind > > > of > > > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this > > > debate > > > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really > > grasp? > > > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will die > > this > > > > way > > > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of ego > > > > > preservation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?.... > > > > > > > > poor Pete... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness > > > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic discussions > > > about? > > > > > > > > there is nobody who care about such details.... > > > > > > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject. > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary > > > somebody.....acting & reacting > > > > on an appearent > > > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc.... > > > > > > > > and mainly on his/herself so. > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to no > > > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to No > > > world > > > > (s) > > > > > > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as an > > > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing. > > > > > > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here) > > > > > > > peace includes all war. > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > where there is peace....there is no war > > > > > > Marc > > > ok. > > and marc mark my words... > > where there's war there is no peace. > > in fact.. > > where there's peace..there is no peace. > > peace is kinda like santa claus.. > > a dreamer's dream. > > peace, > > .b b.b. > messages are disappearing.... ok then peace, no peace war, no war who cares... 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " > <pedsie6@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone. > > > > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute, > > > > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to > > > > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if > > > > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading > > > > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The > > > > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute > > > > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be > > > > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an > > > > > > > > > > > oxymoron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are > > > > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the > absolute, > > > > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs > > > > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the > > > > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body > > > > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are > > > > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to > > > Nisargadatta, > > > > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis > says > > > that > > > > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you > > > > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's > > > > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll > > > > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That, > > > > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't > > > > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he > > > > > > > > > differentiated both concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA% > > > > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing. > > > > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did > > > > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know? > > > > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing > > > > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know? > > > > > > > > And this one is starting to stink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because > > > > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably. > > > When > > > > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , > mind, > > > > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am > aware " , > > > it > > > > > only > > > > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There > is > > > > > no " I > > > > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness > goes > > > > with > > > > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation > > > ceases. > > > > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some > > > kind > > > > of > > > > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this > > > > debate > > > > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really > > > grasp? > > > > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will > die > > > this > > > > > way > > > > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of > ego > > > > > > preservation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?.... > > > > > > > > > > poor Pete... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness > > > > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic > discussions > > > > about? > > > > > > > > > > there is nobody who care about such details.... > > > > > > > > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject. > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary > > > > somebody.....acting & reacting > > > > > on an appearent > > > > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc.... > > > > > > > > > > and mainly on his/herself so. > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to > no > > > > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to > No > > > > world > > > > > (s) > > > > > > > > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as > an > > > > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing. > > > > > > > > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here) > > > > > > > > > peace includes all war. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > where there is peace....there is no war > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > ok. > > > > and marc mark my words... > > > > where there's war there is no peace. > > > > in fact.. > > > > where there's peace..there is no peace. > > > > peace is kinda like santa claus.. > > > > a dreamer's dream. > > > > peace, > > > > .b b.b. > > > > messages are disappearing.... > > ok then > > peace, no peace > war, no war > > who cares... > > Marc the messages aren't disappearing. guess they never were. baba posted that (look at the posting) : Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:23 am it appeared on the list : Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:57 pm which left .b b.b. with days to write.. other non-existing stuff in between the two non-existent postings. this is non-duality at it's best..and worst. :-) ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " > <pedsie6@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone. > > > > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute, > > > > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to > > > > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if > > > > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading > > > > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The > > > > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute > > > > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be > > > > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an > > > > > > > > > > > oxymoron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are > > > > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the > absolute, > > > > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs > > > > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the > > > > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body > > > > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are > > > > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to > > > Nisargadatta, > > > > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis > says > > > that > > > > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you > > > > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's > > > > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll > > > > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That, > > > > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't > > > > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he > > > > > > > > > differentiated both concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA% > > > > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing. > > > > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did > > > > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know? > > > > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing > > > > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know? > > > > > > > > And this one is starting to stink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because > > > > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably. > > > When > > > > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , > mind, > > > > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am > aware " , > > > it > > > > > only > > > > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There > is > > > > > no " I > > > > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness > goes > > > > with > > > > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation > > > ceases. > > > > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some > > > kind > > > > of > > > > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this > > > > debate > > > > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really > > > grasp? > > > > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will > die > > > this > > > > > way > > > > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of > ego > > > > > > preservation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?.... > > > > > > > > > > poor Pete... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness > > > > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic > discussions > > > > about? > > > > > > > > > > there is nobody who care about such details.... > > > > > > > > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject. > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary > > > > somebody.....acting & reacting > > > > > on an appearent > > > > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc.... > > > > > > > > > > and mainly on his/herself so. > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to > no > > > > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to > No > > > > world > > > > > (s) > > > > > > > > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as > an > > > > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing. > > > > > > > > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here) > > > > > > > > > peace includes all war. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > where there is peace....there is no war > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > ok. > > > > and marc mark my words... > > > > where there's war there is no peace. > > > > in fact.. > > > > where there's peace..there is no peace. > > > > peace is kinda like santa claus.. > > > > a dreamer's dream. > > > > peace, > > > > .b b.b. > > > > messages are disappearing.... > > ok then > > peace, no peace > war, no war > > who cares... > > Marc my first reply will appear later. lost in the ether-sphere now. like an experiment with a linear e+e- collider.. it's fractional luminosity near mximum energy.. in the presence of Beamstrahlung. it eventually will show up. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2008 if there's a url in the message and if thinks this is posted all over the place it'll get stuck in the spam filter. the best thing is when you're replying to a message, delete the url. Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " > > <pedsie6@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone. > > > > > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute, > > > > > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to > > > > > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if > > > > > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading > > > > > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The > > > > > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an > > > > > > > > > > > > oxymoron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are > > > > > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the > > absolute, > > > > > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs > > > > > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the > > > > > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food- body > > > > > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are > > > > > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to > > > > Nisargadatta, > > > > > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis > > says > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you > > > > > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's > > > > > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll > > > > > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That, > > > > > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't > > > > > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he > > > > > > > > > > differentiated both concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA% > > > > > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing. > > > > > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did > > > > > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know? > > > > > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing > > > > > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know? > > > > > > > > > And this one is starting to stink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because > > > > > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably. > > > > When > > > > > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , > > mind, > > > > > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am > > aware " , > > > > it > > > > > > only > > > > > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There > > is > > > > > > no " I > > > > > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness > > goes > > > > > with > > > > > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation > > > > ceases. > > > > > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some > > > > kind > > > > > of > > > > > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this > > > > > debate > > > > > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really > > > > grasp? > > > > > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will > > die > > > > this > > > > > > way > > > > > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of > > ego > > > > > > > preservation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > poor Pete... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness > > > > > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic > > discussions > > > > > about? > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nobody who care about such details.... > > > > > > > > > > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary > > > > > somebody.....acting & reacting > > > > > > on an appearent > > > > > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc.... > > > > > > > > > > > > and mainly on his/herself so. > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to > > no > > > > > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to > > No > > > > > world > > > > > > (s) > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as > > an > > > > > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here) > > > > > > > > > > > peace includes all war. > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where there is peace....there is no war > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > ok. > > > > > > and marc mark my words... > > > > > > where there's war there is no peace. > > > > > > in fact.. > > > > > > where there's peace..there is no peace. > > > > > > peace is kinda like santa claus.. > > > > > > a dreamer's dream. > > > > > > peace, > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > messages are disappearing.... > > > > ok then > > > > peace, no peace > > war, no war > > > > who cares... > > > > Marc > > > the messages aren't disappearing. > > guess they never were. > > baba posted that (look at the posting) : Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:23 am > > it appeared on the list : Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:57 pm > > which left .b b.b. with days to write.. > > other non-existing stuff in between the two non-existent postings. > > this is non-duality at it's best..and worst. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " > > <pedsie6@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone. > > > > > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute, > > > > > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to > > > > > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if > > > > > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading > > > > > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The > > > > > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an > > > > > > > > > > > > oxymoron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are > > > > > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the > > absolute, > > > > > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs > > > > > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the > > > > > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food- body > > > > > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are > > > > > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to > > > > Nisargadatta, > > > > > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis > > says > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you > > > > > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's > > > > > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll > > > > > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That, > > > > > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't > > > > > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he > > > > > > > > > > differentiated both concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA% > > > > > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing. > > > > > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did > > > > > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know? > > > > > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing > > > > > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know? > > > > > > > > > And this one is starting to stink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because > > > > > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably. > > > > When > > > > > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , > > mind, > > > > > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am > > aware " , > > > > it > > > > > > only > > > > > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There > > is > > > > > > no " I > > > > > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness > > goes > > > > > with > > > > > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation > > > > ceases. > > > > > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some > > > > kind > > > > > of > > > > > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this > > > > > debate > > > > > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really > > > > grasp? > > > > > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will > > die > > > > this > > > > > > way > > > > > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of > > ego > > > > > > > preservation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > poor Pete... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness > > > > > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic > > discussions > > > > > about? > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nobody who care about such details.... > > > > > > > > > > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary > > > > > somebody.....acting & reacting > > > > > > on an appearent > > > > > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc.... > > > > > > > > > > > > and mainly on his/herself so. > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to > > no > > > > > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to > > No > > > > > world > > > > > > (s) > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as > > an > > > > > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here) > > > > > > > > > > > peace includes all war. > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where there is peace....there is no war > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > ok. > > > > > > and marc mark my words... > > > > > > where there's war there is no peace. > > > > > > in fact.. > > > > > > where there's peace..there is no peace. > > > > > > peace is kinda like santa claus.. > > > > > > a dreamer's dream. > > > > > > peace, > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > messages are disappearing.... > > > > ok then > > > > peace, no peace > > war, no war > > > > who cares... > > > > Marc > > > my first reply will appear later. > > lost in the ether-sphere now. > > like an experiment with a linear e+e- collider.. > > it's fractional luminosity near mximum energy.. > > in the presence of Beamstrahlung. > > it eventually will show up. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > lol messages out of nowhere.... from where else?!?! 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