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More than one spouse,Second Marriage,Divorce

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Dear learned ones,

1. There are cases of persons having more than one spouse,even illicit

2. For some reason or the other divorce is rampant nowadays

3. Second marriages occur due to divorce or losing the spouse to the

eternal bliss

4. There are persons who do not have marriage prospects at all.

 

Is it possible to present the planetary positions in the charts of such cases?

 

Is Combust Venus with Sun OR Jupiter is a problem?

 

Please give your views.

Anusha

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om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear anush

 

the questions you have asked can be summed up as " predictions

about marital life and its prospectes ". it is a big ocean .

 

to start with look at the seventh house, its lord and influences coming

on the seventh house and its lord.

 

look at the karaka for marriage, that is venus

 

look at the darakaraka also.

 

since navamsa is god given, all the dharmic activities of one should

be seen from navamsa also.

 

dharmic partner is seen from dharmasa or navamsa.

 

look at upa pada lagna and the influences coming to the second house

from it for the longevity of marriage.

 

the best way to learn is to collect atleast 25 charts for each case and for

each lagna . if married life can be divided into say four types, namely,

married and peaceful, married and divorced, unmarried and flirting , then

you need to have 25 * 4* 12 = 1200 charts. with this , one will be able

to understand the basics. so why dont you start collecting and learn ?

 

if you have any chart belonging to any one of the above , you may post it

for discussion.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

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Sasisekaran Ji

Thank you.As suggested I am posting birth data for two divorce cases for analysis.both are different,not connected.

 

Divorcee boy: Dob:10-03-1974 / 8-30 AM/ Chennai,Tamil nadu

 

Divorcee girl: Dob: 21-07-1976/ 15-31 Hrs (3-31PM)/Dindukkal,Tamilnadu

 

Regards,

Anusha

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Om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear anusha

 

let us call the charts as case.1 and case.2 and that give by rohini as case 3.

pl let us study each case one by one in depth first and then move to 'generalise'.

 

CASE 1:

7th lord. venus is in makara. this gives problems in relationships. venus

makara is not good. rahu has passed over venus. hence venus is afflicted

by rahu ( ie its drishti ) for time being, let us avoid the argala part coming

on venus.

 

7th house: thula is aspected by jupiter alone . jupiter is a friend of mesha

lagna and its aspect has brought marriage. to start with we have used

graha drishti alone.

 

darakaraka: mercury is dara karaka and he is the third and sixth lord and not a friend to this mesha lagna.

 

upapada: upapada falling in makara is generally not good. arudha pada of

seventh house falls here, showing a possiblity of the native's extended choice in choosing the partner. but mrityu pada 'A8' joining upapada ( UL) is bad. arudha lagna (AL) and upapada are 6/8 which is genrally bad. be carefull that this only speaks about the harmony part and need not certainly show divorce.

 

are these points in rasi enough to show the divorce in the first case ?

 

can you pl provide the details of marriage and divorce ?

 

did the issue of child bearing crop up here ?

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran.

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Dear Sasisekaran ji,

 

Thanks for helping us beginners to learn the principles for horoscope analysis. It is very difficult to apply correctly all the methods given in books, without the guidance of a learned astrologer.

 

Did you say that child bearing might have been an issue because of the drishti of the 3 malefics Ma, Sa and Ra ? 5th lord Sun aspects the house itself from kumbha, is that good or bad? Would the drishti of Jupiter and Merc help in this case? (I have the feeling that the entire focus of this chart is the 5th house, with so many planets aspecting it. Would it be correct to say that having children is very important to this native? or that 5th house matters become a focus in his life. )

 

In the navamsa, Venus is yuti Mars and Rahu. I have also read that Venus in 12th house in navamsa gives disinterest in getting marriied. Considering that Venus is lord of 7th house, and has drishti of Rahu in rashi too, with Mars placed in Taurus, would you consider it as a curse on venus?

 

What would the aspect of Mars (8th L) posited in 2nd house and aspecting 8th house do? Does it have any impact on marriage or divorce?

 

Thanks for your time and patience in guiding us

rohini_nakshatra

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Om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri. rohini_nakshtra

 

sun is placed along with two sowmya grahas jupiter and mercury which

is good. but sun has gone to a bhadaka sthana. mercury is sowmya,

but for matters relating to fifth house, it is a maraka also.

 

sat, mar and rahu aspects falling on the fifth is totally bad.

as you rightly said, yes fifth matters is very important to this person.

but how far it has helped this person is a question mark. apart from

children, the fifth shows future. so many combined influences makes

the person indecisive or oscillating between good and bad. if this

person is personally known to sow.anusha , it will be useful in

understanding this chart. the chart to me is a complex one.

 

the navamsa lagna falls on the border. if lagna shifts to mesha in navamsa

then the person's dharmic nature changes completly.

 

can sow.anusha verify if the birth of this person was normal ? or cesarian.

 

venus is definetly under curse. see venus is pitrikaraka. without the

blessings of pitris, one will not have lineage.

 

mars placement in second , gives disturbances in family life. harsh words

could be one reason.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

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Hi Anusha,

 

I am a learner like you. Can I also participate in this discussion, and contribute some charts?

 

Here is one chart of a divorcee (woman) :

11th Jan, 1964. Time of birth: 6:00 am, Place: Sangrur, Punjab

 

Of course, Why not, shri. rohini_nakshatra.It is a pleasure.Please do it.When we have teachers like Sasisekaranji among us,let us utilise to learn more and and help our teachers also.

I will be away for a little while.You may please continue.

Regards,

Anusha

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Om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear anusha

 

let us call the charts as case.1 and case.2 and that give by rohini as case 3.

pl let us study each case one by one in depth first and then move to 'generalise'.

 

CASE 1:

7th lord. venus is in makara. this gives problems in relationships. venus

makara is not good. rahu has passed over venus. hence venus is afflicted

by rahu ( ie its drishti ) for time being, let us avoid the argala part coming

on venus.

 

7th house: thula is aspected by jupiter alone . jupiter is a friend of mesha

lagna and its aspect has brought marriage. to start with we have used

graha drishti alone.

 

darakaraka: mercury is dara karaka and he is the third and sixth lord and not a friend to this mesha lagna.

 

upapada: upapada falling in makara is generally not good. arudha pada of

seventh house falls here, showing a possiblity of the native's extended choice in choosing the partner. but mrityu pada 'A8' joining upapada ( UL) is bad. arudha lagna (AL) and upapada are 6/8 which is genrally bad. be carefull that this only speaks about the harmony part and need not certainly show divorce.

 

are these points in rasi enough to show the divorce in the first case ?

 

can you pl provide the details of marriage and divorce ?

 

did the issue of child bearing crop up here ?

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran.

 

sasisekaranji,

Thank you.

I am given to understand that the girl had some reservations(not reaveled) about the boy(Case 1) and did not join him at all and

hence the separation.Nothing more is given.

Regards,

Anusha

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Om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear sow anusha

 

fifth house rules thithi in panchanga principle. thithi house being terribly

afflicted appears to have played its role. the relationship did not even

have a start. if you can dig and get details of marriage day and more

it will be of use to us.

such short details pull back the momentum of study and analysis.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

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I have observed that generally people having 7th lord in 6th house suffer divorce and litigation in marriage. If you have any more observations, please list

 

Dear Amanavani Ji,

Here is a birth data of a gentleman whose chart shows the 7th lord in 6th.

 

He married at an young age and is leading a very happy and harmonious married life with a very affectionate wife and two good male children,despite the fact that the lady is not very healthy.

 

Birth data: dob:08-09-1948/ time missing/ place:kancheepuram,tamil nadu

star:visaka 1 jupiter balance:13y-8m-8d

 

I will give some some more later.

 

Anusha

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Namaste Shashikaranji,

 

Will A6 and UL in the same house have the same impact as mentioned by you for UL and A8? Will the maleifics aspecting the second house from UL have more on the survival of marriage or will it be the AL/UL relationships like 6/8 or 2/12? Will the Arudha in a 6/8 or 2/12 relation to AL always suffer ?

 

Regards/

 

Coolgimmy

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Hi Anusha,

 

thanks :)

 

Dear Sasisekaranji,

 

thanks you for your inputs. I have some further questions, which I have written in bold.

 

 

Om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri. rohini_nakshtra

 

sun is placed along with two sowmya grahas jupiter and mercury which

is good. but sun has gone to a bhadaka sthana. mercury is sowmya,

but for matters relating to fifth house, it is a maraka also.

 

is sun's placement in kumbha also considered bad, apart from it being in 11th house which is badhaka sthan for this lagna?

 

sat, mar and rahu aspects falling on the fifth is totally bad.

as you rightly said, yes fifth matters is very important to this person.

but how far it has helped this person is a question mark. apart from

children, the fifth shows future. so many combined influences makes

the person indecisive or oscillating between good and bad. if this

person is personally known to sow.anusha , it will be useful in

understanding this chart. the chart to me is a complex one.

Is this because 5th house represents 'dhi' ?

 

the navamsa lagna falls on the border. if lagna shifts to mesha in navamsa

then the person's dharmic nature changes completly.

how do we interpret the chart when the navamsa lagna is uncertain? In such cases, would it be a safe practice to choose the lagna which is ahead in the zodiac? Because if the soul wanted to incarnate in the previous lagna, it had plenty of time (12 min) to do so. May be the soul was waiting for the navamsa lagna to change? How do we rectify the navamsa lagna?

 

can sow.anusha verify if the birth of this person was normal ? or cesarian.

What is the significance of the type of birth?

 

venus is definetly under curse. see venus is pitrikaraka. without the

blessings of pitris, one will not have lineage.

So venus is causing much harm, by blocking marriage as well as children.

 

mars placement in second , gives disturbances in family life. harsh words

could be one reason.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

Some unrelated questions are:

 

What ayanamsa do you use for calculations?

Do you use true nodes or mean nodes?

 

I recently downloaded the software Jagannath Hora, and I found that placement of some key planets changes due to these in my own horoscope.

 

Also, for purpose of finding curse, do you take only Saturn, Mars and Rahu or also Sun and Ketu?

 

Although I am still learning, I feel that if we also take sun and ketu, then everyone's horoscope will have some curse or other. i feel tht curse is a very loaded word, and should only be used to denote very severe affliction and not any minor negative influence. I feel that they are only weakly malefic, and are more like kroor graha rather than asubha graha. I also read that Saturn represents sorrow, mars anger, and rahu shock, which this person caused to spouse/mother/father etc etc. Due to these strong emotions generated, the person got a curse from them. With sun and ketu, its more difficult to identify any strong emotion which would bring the curse upon the individual.

 

Please let me know you opinion about these matters.

rohini (btw i am a girl :) )

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om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear coolgimmy

 

arudha padas of dustanas are as bad as the dustana houses.

 

al/ul placed 6/8 shows the attitude of the person.

 

the malefics placed in second to UL do not promote the sustenance

of the marriage. the aspects on second to ul must also be considered.

 

that is why i asked sow.anusha to provide details of marriage and divorce.

without it , we are at loss in correcting our understanding.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

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Om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear sow. rohini_nakshtra

 

one way of finding the sex of the person is to simply address them with

shri or sow.

 

sun's placement in bhadaka shetra is certainly bad.

 

dhi sakthi is from lagna. lagna is the seat of intelligence. fifth, trine

to lagna, certainly influences it.

 

rectification of navamsa lagna , amounts to rectification of birth time also.

the abilites of a person is seen from navamsa lagna and its trines. but who

is to asses the ability ? and how to weigh it ? the native of the chart may

feel he is an able person in a field which need not be true. it is certainly

a difficult task to correct the navamsa lagna or for that matter the birth

time. unless there are too many incidents in life , shifting of the birth time

to suit the dasas will be a task.

 

nodes falling in navamsa lagna shows some intervention at the time of birth

which in these days can be called cesarian.

 

yes, venus is causing a severe curse.

 

i use modified lahiri, mean nodes, sunrise- the tip appears to be on the

eastern horizon, gulika at the begining of saturn, mandhi at the middle of saturn, the rest i use the default.

 

i follow sjc school. hence i consider sun and ketu too as malefics.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

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Om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear sow anusha and sow amanavani,

 

why dont you pl provide details of marriage and divorce for cases posted by you ?

since we are learners, more data would serve the purpose of learning

with logic.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

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Namaste Shashikaranji,

 

If we consider the charts for some people then position of planets and their respective aspects remain the same for 2hrs in a day till the lagna changes. Now in case there is a chart where the UL and second from UL has maleific aspects, then all the people born during that particular 2hrs should be having a disturbed married life. Can we not consider Navamsha be the cause of make or break a marriage then a Rashi chart or fine tune the predictions of rashi chart using Navamsha?

 

Regards/

 

Coolgimmy

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om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear coolgimmy

 

exactly.. that is why most of the predictions based on the rasi chart

fail. i feel even navamsa is same over a wide period of ten and odd minutes.

 

certainly navamsa must be looked into.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

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Dear sasisekaranji,

I Just saw your post.I am now out of station for a fortnight.Once I return I will try to collect more data and post it for analyses.But some are too reserved to divulge more details.however I will try

Regard,

Anusha

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Namaste Shashikaranji,

 

I downloaded MP3s from SJC website on Navamsha, but what I failed to understand is that when reading on marriage related issues do we check the placement of 7thlord,7th house and chara darakaraka,venus/jupiter from rashi chart in Navamsha or it is the other way around ie reading Navamsha first and check the positions of its 7th lord,7th house in rashi chart? Please give the explanations of the other two cases as well.

 

Regards/

 

Coolgimmy

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Namaste Shashikaranji,

 

I downloaded MP3s from SJC website on Navamsha, but what I failed to understand is that when reading on marriage related issues do we check the placement of 7thlord,7th house and chara darakaraka,venus/jupiter from rashi chart in Navamsha or it is the other way around ie reading Navamsha first and check the positions of its 7th lord,7th house in rashi chart? Please give the explanations of the other two cases as well.

 

Regards/

 

Coolgimmy

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