Lord Caitanya does not appear in every Kali-yuga

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Lord Caitanya does not come in every Kali-yuga and is therefore is not technically named in the Vedas as the Kali-yuga avatar. This is because He very rarely comes as "the Golden Avatar" unless it is a very special Kali-yuga.

How fortunate all of us are!!

Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti who composed voluminous Sanskrit scriptures with commentaries, says Lord Caitanya very rarely appears in a Kali-yuga in this world.

Krishna wanted to come as the incarnation for this age of Kali, as well as to fulfil His promise in Vrndavana: "I shall chant the glory of the gopis, especially of Radharani. I shall chant Her name. Her glory, and roll in the dust of the earth!" But Radharani said, "won't allow Your body to roll in the dust of this earth. I shall cover You with My lustre." Both the mood as well as the lustre of Radharani captures Krishna when He comes here in Kali-yuga. And this does not occur in all Kali-yugas, but only in a special Kali-yuga.

Jiva Goswami explains the meaning of this verse in his own parallel verse:

 

 

antah krsnam bahir gauram

darsitangadi-vaibhavam

kalau ankirtanadyai sma

krsna-caitanyam asrita

 

"I take shelter of Sri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who is outwardly of a golden complexion, but is inwardly Krishna Himself. In this age of Kali, He displays His expansions while performing congregational chanting of the holy name of Krishna. That He is blackish within means that internally He is Krishna; that He is golden without means that He has accepted the mood of Srimati Radharani. In the age of Kali, that Golden Lord is seen accompanied by His expansions, associates, and intimate devotees performing sankirtana."

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In his book Laghu-bhagavatamrta, Srila Rupa Gosvami has enumerated the following twenty-five lila-avataras: Catuh-sana, Narada, Varaha, Matsya, Yajna, Nara-Narayana, Kapila, Dattatreya, Hayasirsa (Hayagriva), Hamsa, Prsnigarbha, Rsabha, Prthu, Nrsimha, Kurma, Dhanvantari, Mohini, Vamana, Parasu rama, Raghavendra, Vyasa, Balarama, Krsna, Buddha and Kalki.

 

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not mentioned as a lila-avatara because He is an incarnation in disguise (channa-avata-ra) In this way, He only rarely appear in a Kali Yuga in the disguise of a humble Vaishava sanyasi.

 

In the particular age of Kali yuga He appears (one out of many thousands of Kali-yugas), He is known as the Golden Avatar incarnation of the Lord manifesting AS Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This has been explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam."

 

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Yes we are fortunate!

 

And during such a Kali yuga, Kalki avatar will come during the sandhya- the period of time in between Kali and Satya yugas.

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Yes we are fortunate!

 

And during such a Kali yuga, Kalki avatar will come during the sandhya- the period of time in between Kali and Satya yugas.

 

Interesting discussion (debate) about whether Kalki avatar comes in the this Kali Yuga that is a Kali Yuga where Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu comes as with the mood and effugence of Srimati Radhika. This occured almost exactly a year ago:

http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/437243-misconceptions-about-kalki-avatar.html

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Interesting discussion (debate) about whether Kalki avatar comes in the this Kali Yuga that is a Kali Yuga where Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu comes as with the mood and effugence of Srimati Radhika. This occured almost exactly a year ago:

http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/437243-misconceptions-about-kalki-avatar.html

 

Quite a long thread!

I will have to read it carefully later.

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In this age of Kali yuga, Kalki avatar does not come.

 

Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur, has said that "because Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu came in this particular Kali Yuga, this Kali Yuga is called Dhanya Kali, blessed Kali." Although in other Kali Yugas Kalki does come, in this one He doesn't.

Srila Prabhupada sings "Sri Dasavatar- Stotram" by Sri Jayadeva Goswami, “Kesava! dhrta-Kalki-sarira jaya jadadisa hare." Then, in his purport to the song, Srila Prabhupada explains that at the end of the Kali Yuga there will be no preaching because people will be too degraded and sinful to understand Krishna Conscious philosophy. So Kalki comes, not to preach, but to kill all the sinners and usher in the next Satya Yuga. However that is in a Kali yuga where Lord Caitanya does not appear.

In studying one of our Gaudiya Vaisnava songs, Ke Jabi Ke Jabi Bhai, by Srila Locan dasa Thakura, it read, "dhanya kali-yugera caitanya-avatar," that is, Sri Caitanya-Avatara is the good fortune (dhanya) of this Kali Yuga (He does not come in every Kali Yuga. He comes as the Yuga Avatara of Kali Yuga only once in a day of Lord Brahma, that is, once every 2,000 Kali Yugas.)

In Madhya Lila chapter six in the discussions between Sarvabauma Battacarya and Gopinatha Acarya, Srila Prabhupada quotes Gopinatha Acharya, "In this age of Kali there is no Lila avatar of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore He is triyuga.

That is one of His holy names." In the purport, Kalki is mentioned as the last of the twenty-five Lila Avatars. At the end of the purport, Prabhupada writes: "Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not mentioned as a Lila avatar because he is an incarnation in disguise (channa avatar).

In this age of Kali there are no Lila avatars, but there is an incarnation of the Lord manifested in the body of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This has been explained in Srimad Bhagavatam."

If one turns to the first canto chapter three of the Srimad Bhagavatams, Srila Prabhupada has written that Kalki will come after 427,000 years. Actually Kalki (and all other incarnations) come in the body of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This is confirmed in Caitanya Caritamrta (Adi Lila 4.5-16). These verses explain how, just as all incarnations come in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>’s body when he descends, so Lord Caitanya, is also Krishna Himself, and the same applies to Him "When the complete Supreme Personality of Godhead descends, all other incarnations meet together within Him."

Ultimately Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who came to give what no other incarnation or acharya gave for a long time. The last time Lord Caitanya came was in the previous day of Brahma.

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The Hidden Meaning in Srila Prabhupada's Pranama Mantra <hr> <table align="right" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="203"> <tbody><tr> <td> Srila Narayana Maharaja performs archan and puja for Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada on Srila Prabhupada's appearance day.

</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Alachua, Florida : May 28, 2001

Tridandisvami Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja

<hr> [srila Narayana Maharaja:] What is the second sloka in the pranama mantra of your Gurudeva?

[Drstadyumna dasa:] namas te sarasvate deve gaura-vani pracarine nirvesesa-sunyavadi-pascatya-desa-tarine

[srila Narayana Maharaja:] What is that gaura-vani he preached?

[Drstadyumna dasa:] There are four reasons for which Lord Caitanya came to this world. One was to establish the yuga-dharma of the chanting of the holy name, another was because Advaita Acarya had called Him to come, and…

[srila Narayana Maharaja:] I want to hear what was that gaura-vani of your Gurudeva.

[Drstadyumna dasa:] In simple words it was to chant Hare Krsna, and that meant to worship…

[srila Narayana Maharaja:] Sri Advaita Acarya may have given this. So many acaryas have given this. Even Maha-Visnu can give the chanting of the holy name, but He cannot give that gaura-vani.

[Drstadyumna dasa:] It was to give an understanding of the essence of the feelings and mood of Srimati Radharani and…

[srila Narayana Maharaja:] What is that gaura-vani he gave?

[Drstadyumna dasa:] Would it be the mood of the manjaris; service to the Divine Couple?

[srila Narayana Maharaja:] Was this his vani? I want to hear about that vani. What is that gaura-vani he preached throughout the world? It has been explained in the words of Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura, and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has also explained it.

aradhyo bhagavan vrajesa-tanayas tad-dhama vrndavanam

ramya kascid upasana vraja-vadhu-varga-ya kalpita srimad-bhagavatam amalam puranam prema pumartho mahan sri-caitanya mahaprabhor matam idam tatradarah na parah

This is the special gaura-vani. Krsna is our highest worshipable Deity, but there are so many manifestations of Krsna. Dvarakadhisa Krsna is the son of Vasudeva and Devaki. Is He our worshipable Deity? He may be for so many others, and there is no harm in that. He is worshipable for them, and He should be. We do namaskara to Him, but we worship that very Vrajendranandana who took birth from the womb of Yasodamaiya.

At the time of His birth, Vrajendranandana Krsna had no long hair, no decorations, and no ornaments. He appeared as a simple baby, weeping, "Kya, kya, kya!" All the Vrajabasis understood that He was born from the womb of Mother Yasoda. We worship that very Nandanandana.

You should know that Nandanandana is always nava-kisora natavara. He is eternally an ever-fresh cowherd youth, and Mother Yasoda thinks, "He is my son." We worship this very Krsna who was bound by His mother in Vrndavana. She ran faster than Him, caught hold of Him, and bound Him. That is why He is called Damodara-Krsna. He killed Putana, who tried to take His life by poisoning Him, and He gave her a motherly position in Goloka. We worship that Krsna who was playing in the courtyard of Nanda Baba and Mother Yasoda, and who was controlled by them with affection and love. We worship that Krsna who was always surrounded by His friends like Dama, Sridama, Sudama, Vasudama, Stokakrsna, Lavanga, Arjuna, Subala, Madhumangala, and so on. They used to defeat that Krsna, and, being defeated, Krsna was very happy. That Krsna always played with the gopa-ramanis.

Aradya bhagavan. Although He is Bhagavan, His bhagavata (Godhood) has been covered. All His opulences are covered by Yogamaya, and thus He has no idea that He is Brahma, Parabrahma, or Bhagavan. That very Krsna is our aradhya, our object of worship. Another manifestation of Krsna is the husband of Rukmini and the son of Vasudeva and Devaki. He should be the aradhya of the Mathuravasis and others. Let them worship Him in that way, but Caitanya Mahaprabhu is saying, "Aradyo bhagavan vrajesa-tanaya tad dhama vrndavanam." That Krsna is always in Vrndavana. He never gives up Vrndavana. He never goes elsewhere. His manifestations may go to Kuruksetra, to Dvaraka, and to Mathura. They can go, but that Krsna never leaves Vrndavana.

Ramya karcit upasanam vrajavadhu. The process of serving Krsna that was adopted by all the gopis to please Krsna, especially by Radha and Her group, is the highest. They can even place their feet on His head. They can chastise Him - to please Him. They can order Him to do so many things, and He will very happily carry out their orders. He does not feel so much happiness by hearing the prayers of Brahma, Sankara, and all others like them, but He wants the gopis to chastise Him and call Him 'thief.'

Srimad bhagavatam pramanam amalam The way and the process by which the gopis pleased Krsna cannot be attained by anyone else, and to understand this, Srimad Bhagavatam is the highest evidence among all sastras. Only in Srimad Bhagavatam can you see all these truths. Caitanya Mahaprabhu offers pranama to the Upanisads and all other scriptures because they are all the breathing of Krsna, but He particularly glorifies Srimad Bhagavatam. In Srimad Bhagavatam, Krsna Himself told the gopis, "Na paraye 'ham niravadya-samyujam. I cannot repay you, My dear gopis. I cannot repay you in thousands of thousands of births. Be pleased, therefore, by your own bhakti to Me. Be merciful to Me." Srimad Bhagavatam is revealing all this. This truth has been told there, but you can only realize it by the commentaries of Srila Sanatana Gosvami, Srila Jiva Gosvami, and Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura.

Prema pumartha mahan. Prema is the ultimate goal, and the prema in the heart of Radhika is supermost. Hanuman also has prema, Dhruva Maharaja also has prema, and Prahlada Maharaja also has some love and affection. The Pandavas and Uddhava also have some prema, and all the queens of Dvaraka have so much love and affection. The sakhas and sakhis of Vrndavana, and Mother Yasoda and Nanda Maharaja all have prema, but no one has that prema of Srimati Radhika. Hers is the highest love and affection towards Krsna. Her love is in the heart of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and He Himself is telling about it. This is gaura-vani. This vani (message or teaching) is the vani of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. No one ever preached this before Him. Only "You should do nama-sankirtana" was preached. So many acaryas in Kali-yuga have told us that we should perform kirtana, but no one gave that love and affection given by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He preached love and affection, Vraja-prema, through nama-sankirtan. This is His vani.

ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-mahadavagni-nirvapanam

sreyah-kairava-candrika-vitaranam vidyavadhu-jivanam anandambudhi-vardhanam prati-padam purnamrtasvadanam sarvatma-snapanam param vijayate sri krsnanama-kirtanam

This is gaura-vani.

trnad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna

amanina manadena kirtaniyah sada harih

No one ever explained this before. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu became very happy when, by His order and inspiration, Sri Rupa Gosvami explained the glory of the name:

tunde tandavini ratim vitanute tundavali-labdhaye karna-kroda-kadambini ghatayate karnarbudebhyah sprham cetah-prangana-sangini vijayate sarvendriyanam krtim no jane janita kiyadbhir amrtaih krsneti varna-dvaya

"I do not know how much nectar the two syllables 'Krs-na' have produced. When the holy name of Krsna is chanted, it appears to dance within the mouth. We then desire many, many mouths. When that name enters the holes of the ears, we desire many millions of ears. And when the holy name dances in the courtyard of the heart, it conquers the activities of the mind, and therefore all the senses become inert." (Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya-lila 1.99)

Hearing this verse, Srila Haridasa Thakura began to jump, laugh, and chant, "Hari Bol! Hari Bol!"

Give up all worldly sense gratification. Don't pray for a very good wife, good family, salvation, or anything else. Only pray for causeless bhakti, the bhakti that is in the heart of Srimati Radhika. That bhakti is established when hladini and samvit manifest in ones heart, on the platform of sandini.

Caitanya Mahaprabhu is telling us who we are.

ayi nanda-tanuja kinkaram

patitam mam visame bhavambudhau

krpaya tava pada-pankaja-

sthita-dhuli-sadrsam vicintaya

We always want to be a particle of dust at the lotus feet of the son of Nanda Maharaja. No one had ever told all this before. Especially, no one had previously told:

nayanam galad asru dharaya

vadanam gadgada ruddhaya gira

pulakair nicitam vapuh kada

tava nama grahane bhavisyati

Hairs standing on end, voice choked, and all kinds of asta-sattvika-bhavas were present in Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. When will a day come that I can chant like this: weeping, with my bodily hairs standing on end, and my heart melting? No one had ever seen all these symptoms before Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu exhibited them. Valmiki had some symptoms, and Dhruva Maharaja and Prahlada Maharaja also had some, but not like this. This wonderful thing was taught by Mahaprabhu. Moreover He taught:

yugayitam nimesena caksusa pravrsayitam

sunyayitam jagat sarvam govinda virahena me

There are hardly any qualified persons to realize all the truths in this verse. If a rare person realizes this, he will give up his body - because the material body cannot tolerate the emotions of prema.

Moreover:

aslisya va pada-ratam pinastu mam

adarsanän marma-hatam karotu va

yatha tatha va vidadhatu lampato

mat-prana-nathas tu sa eva naparah

"Lord Krsna, who is the lover of many devotees (women), may embrace this fully surrendered maidservant or may trample me with His feet. Or, He may render me brokenhearted by not being present before me for a long duration of time. Still, He is nothing less than the absolute lord of my heart."

The transcendental emotions revealed in this verse cannot be found in this world. This is only found in Goloka Vrndavana-dhama. We should pray that a day will come that we can serve under the guidance of the gopis, especially being the maidservant of Srimati Radhika, under the guidance of Lalita, Visakha, and Rupa-manjari. This is gaura-vani.

Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja preached this, but in the beginning he had to cut so many jungles of mayavada, nirvesesa, and sahajiya philosophies. He saw that in order to make the land of the world fertile, it would take a long time. He therefore put all these truths in his transcendental literatures. He thought that if any of his disciples would be qualified to go deep into those truths, all this vani would be taught there. He wanted to preach it also, but it was rare to find a student who could go so deep. Most of his students could not follow him, and that is why so many fell down even from sannyasa. They made many offenses to him, and they are now burning in hell.

You should know all this vani, and be very strong in preaching and in glorifying your Prabhupada. Gaura-vani-pracarine. Krsna has sent him for this.

After our Srila Rupa Gosvami, Srila Jiva Gosvami, and Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami came, Srila Narottama dasa Thakura, Srila Syamananda prabhu came, and after that Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura, Srila Baladeva Vidyabhusana, Srila Jagannatha dasa Babaji Maharaja, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, and then our Gurudeva and so many associates of Srila Prabhupada. One of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura's hands was Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, who came to the western countries, and in a couple of years preached everywhere. We should try to know his glories. Gaura-vani has so much deep meaning, but the meaning is very hidden. Don't think there is no reason for the word 'gaura-vani.'

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati is described in his pranama mantra to be gaura-vani murti. [Namaste gaura-vani sri murtaye dina-tarine.] Murti means embodiment. He is the embodiment of gaura-vani, and Srila Swami Maharaja, your Prabhupada, is in the same line. He is not different from Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. The term 'Prabhupadanuga' is a wrong idea. Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja and Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura are both followers of Srila Rupa Gosvami, and therefore they are rupanuga. Following them, we are all rupanuga.

We have now told in brief about the vani of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has also, in a brief form, collected gaura-vani in his Dasa-mula siksa. You should note it very carefully in your heart. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura wrote down that vani in his Jaiva-dharma, his last and best book. It is an authentic literature, and is the essence of all the Vedas, Upanisads, Bhagavatam, Caitanya-caritamrta, and all the books of our Gosvamis. The essence of all sastra is there in Jaiva-dharma.

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has written:

amanayaha praha tattavam harim iha paramam sarva saktima rasabdhima tata bhinansansa ca jivan prakritir kavalitan tada vimuktansa ca bhavada bhedabheda prakasam sakalampi harch sadhanam sudha bhaktim sadhayam tata pritim eva iti upadesayati janan gauracandra savayam saha

"The authoritative knowledge of the Vedas, received through the bona fide disciplic succession, establishes the following fundamental truths:style='font-size: 10.0pt'>

1. Hari is the supreme absolute truth.

2. He is omnipotent.

3. He is the reservoir of all mellows.

4. The living entities are His separated parts and parcels.

5. The conditioned souls are covered by Maya.

6. The liberated souls are beyond the influence of Maya.

7. The entire cosmic manifestation is simultaneously one and different from Him.

8. Suddha-bhakti is the only means to achieve love of Godhead.

9. The goal is to attain love of Godhead.

These teachings have been instructed by Gauracandra Himself."

Gaura Premanande.

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In this age of Kali yuga, Kalki avatar does not come.

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EDITORIAL June 21, 1999 VNN4139

No Kalki Avatar In This Kali Yuga

<hr> BY JADURANI DASI

 

EDITORIAL, Jun 21 (VNN) — I first met Srila Narayana Maharaj about seven years ago, at the Rupa Sanatana Gaudiya Math, his temple near Seva Kunja in Vrndavan. Since that time I'd always strongly felt Srila Prabhupada's presence when ever I met Srila Maharaja. His answers to any of my questions seemed as brilliant and astounding as those of Srila Prabhupada, and everything he said gave me new insight into Srila Prabhupada's books. After several meetings with him, therefore, I was so overwhelmed that I asked him, "Can I understand that when you tell me something, that it is Srila Prabhupada telling me through you?" With a soft smile he answered, "if you have got that faith." And daily my faith became stronger and stronger.

One thing he said, however, I couldn't reconcile. Srila Maharaja mentioned a few times that in this age of Kali, Kalki avatar doesn't come. Maharaja would quote Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur, who had said that "because Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu came in this particular Kali Yuga, this Kali Yuga is called Dhanya Kali, blessed Kali." Although in other Kali Yugas Kalki does come, in this one He doesn't. On one hand I had no doubts in Srila Maharaj, but on the other hand I still could not reconcile the apparent difference in Srila Prabhupada's statement. For years I had been hearing the cassette tape of Srila Prabhupada singing "Sri Dasavatar- Stotram" by Sri Jayadeva Goswami, " Kesava! dhrta-Kalki-sarira jaya jadadisa hare." Then, in his purport to the song, Srila Prabhupada had explained that at the end of Kali Yuga there will be no preaching because people will be too degraded and sinful to understand Krsna Conscious philosophy. So Kalki comes, not to preach, but to kill all the sinners and usher in the next Satya Yuga. In a humble way I told this to Srila Maharaj and he answered, "Not in this Kali Yuga. He won't come. But if he comes, no harm; he will be raising his arms and chanting 'Hari Bol! Hari Bol!' in Mahaprabhu's sankirtan movement."

So I let it go. I had faith in both Srila Prabhupada and Srila Maharaja. Diksa Guru and Siksa Guru are one. Srila Prabhupada is both my diksa and siksa guru and Srila Maharaja is my siksa guru. I knew that when Srila Prabhupada wanted to, he would show me how to reconcile the apparent contradiction. Later, in studying one of our Gaudiya Vaisnava songs, Ke Jabi Ke Jabi Bhai, by Srila Locan dasa Thakura, I read, "dhanya kali-yugera caitanya-avatar," that is, Sri Caitanya-Avatara is the good fortune (dhanya) of this Kali Yuga (He does not come in every Kali Yuga. He comes as the Yuga Avatara of Kali Yuga only once in a day of Lord Brahma, that is, once every 2,000 Kali Yugas.) This convinced me, but still, I had a desire to hear more from Srila Prabhupada himself, since according to my memory, I'd previously heard the opposite from him.

Then, about two months ago, on a casual reading of Caitanya Caritamrta, I found it in Madhya Lila chapter six, in the discussions between Sarvabauma Battacarya and Gopinatha Acarya. Srila Prabhupada was quoting Gopinatha Acharya, "in this age of Kali there is no lila avatar of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore He is triyuga.

That is one of His holy names." In the purport, Kalki is mentioned as the last of the twenty-five Lila Avatars. At the end of the purport, Prabhupada wrote: "Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not mentioned as a lila avatar because he is an incarnation in disguise (channa avatar). In this age of Kali there are no lila avatars, but there is an incarnation of the Lord manifested in the body of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This has been explained in Srimad Bhagavatam."

At this point I turned to Srimad Bhagavatam, first canto chapter three. There Prabhupada had written that Kalki will come after 427,000 years. Did that mean Srila Prabhupada contradicted himself?. No, of course not. Everything is reconciled. Kalki (and all other incarnations) come in the body of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This is confirmed in Caitanya Caritamrta (Adi Lila 4.5-16). These verses explain how, just as all incarnations come in Krsna's body when he descends, so Lord Caitanya, is also Krsna Himself, and the same applies to Him "When the complete Supreme Personality of Godhead descends, all other incarnations meet together within Him."

There were many other instances where I could understand by Srila Narayana Maharaja's association that I had so little understanding of Srila Prabhupada.

Srila Maharaja has been giving me a deeper understanding. He is always showing me the glory of Srila Prabhupada, that he is coming in the line Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur, Srila Locan dasa Thakur, Sri Krsna das Kaviraja, Srila Rupa Goswami, and ultimately Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who came to give what no other incarnation or acharya gave for a long time--since the last time Lord Caitanya came--in the previous day of Brahma.

Even with Srila Prabhupada's words in front of me for the last thirty-two years, being a conditioned soul, I can not understand him fully. Of course, "it takes one to know one." Only a Maha-bhagavata can understand the mood and siddhanta of another Maha-bhagavata. And only he can help the conditioned souls understand.

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Kalki Avatara: Most Certainly Coming at the Conjunction of the Yugas BY: BALAVIDYA DASA

Mar 9, USA (SUN) — In his posting of about a month back, "In this age of Kali there is no lila-avatara" (CC Madhya 6.99)", Lokagura das has refuted the conclusion of the Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.5 that we offered in our posting, "Coming Soon, Kalki-Avatara". His odd assertion, which we repeat is in clear contradiction to the Srimad-Bhagavatam, the mature fruit of the wishing-fulfilling tree of the Vedas, is that in Kali-Yuga there are no Lila-Avataras. He asserts this with particular reference to Kalki-Avatara, citing H.H. B. Narayana Swami and Jadurani devi dasi as his authorities.

We fail to see with this conclusion how Lokaguru can realistically deal with the evident and historically documented appearance of the Lila-Avatara, Sri Buddhadeva, mentioned in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Moreover, such a conclusion directly refutes the crest-jewel of all scriptures, the Srimad-Bhagavatam and is thus tantamount to atheism. Perhaps he considers he can improve on the statements of Sri Vedavyasa and that the Buddhist Philosophy that is now known throughout the world is based on a Lila-avatara that, well, just didn't actually appear. Apparently, Lokaguru considers the Bhagavatam mythology.

Well, we have been rather busy with copious meetings recently and so have not been able to reply in a timely fashion. Yet by the grace of Krsna, a little time has opened up and so we hope that this matter can be elucidated to the satisfaction of all involved by the grace of that Lord.

Firstly, Lokaguru should consider seriously and without an egoistic defensive attitude how any conclusion in opposition to the Srimad-Bhagavatam can be correct no matter who is proposing it. However he has quoted the Caitanya-Caritamrta, Madya, 6.99, but instead of trying to harmonize this sloka with the Bhagavatam, he has asserted a difference between these scriptures. This then, is to say that Krsna dasa Kaviraja has given statement in opposition to the Bhagavatam. Could this be possible? Is this respectful of the great associate of Lord Caitanya? Obviously Lokaguru's position must be mistaken if he asserts a difference in siddhanta between the Srimad-Bhagavatam and Caitanya-Caritamrta.

So let us now harmonize the statements:

Our first point is technical: Even if it were correct, and it most certainly isn't, that there are no Lila-Avatraras in Kali-Yuga this would still not exclude the scheduled appearance of Kalki-Avatara.

We quote Srimad Bhagavatam 1.3.25:

<center> athasau yuga-sandhyayam

dasyu-prayesu rajasu

janita vinsu-yasaso

namna kalkir jagat-patih </center>

"Thereafter, at the

conjunction of two yugas

, the Lord of the creation will take His birth as the Kalki incarnation and become the son of Visnu Yasa. At this time the rulers of the earth will have degenerated into plunderers."

 

The attentive reader will note that Kalki-Avatara appears at "yuga-sandhyayam", which Srila Prabhupada translates as "the conjunction of two yugas". Just in the same way that dusk is neither day nor night, the "yuga-sandhyayam" during which Kalki will appear is strictly speaking neither Kali nor Satya Yuga. We find in Lokaguru's paper the underlying premise that Kalki appears to perform His activities in Kali-Yuga, which He doesn't.

We quote Lokaguru: "Srimad Bhagavatam *may* establish that the lila-avatara Kalki Prabhu appears in every Kali Yuga. SB 1.3.25".

Obviously Lokaguru is in illusion from the first premise of his argument, so what then is the value of his paper when it is constructed on the mistaken foundation that Kalki appears in Kali-yuga. If the premise is mistaken, then the resultant argument is also useless. Therefore all Lokaguru's references to "the incarnation for Kali-Yuga", which he considers to be Kalki, are simply off-target twaddle.

Incidentally, Lokaguru gives reference to the Srimad Bhagavatam 9.15.33 purport as somehow a reference to Kalki, but there is neither a purport to this sloka by Srila Prabhupada, nor is there any reference to Kalki in the sloka.

However these points are just by the way, for the real problem Lokaguru has encountered is his misunderstanding of Caitanya-Caritamrta, Madhya 6.99:

<center> kali-yuge lilavatara na kare bhagavan

ataeva 'tri-yuga' kari' kahi tara nama </center>

"In this Age of Kali there is

no lila-avatara

of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore He is known as

Triyuga

. That is one of His holy names."

 

Lokaguru's confusion is clarified by an attentive reading of this sloka and the context. For arriving at the correct siddhanta of a sloka, one must reference the context. In this context, the discussion concerns yuga-avataras. Thus even within the sloka, the Lord's Name as Triyuga is mentioned. Furthermore, the next sloka clarifies the issue:

<center> pratiyuge karena krsna yuga-avatara

tarka-nistha hrdaya tomara nahika vicara </center>

"Gopinatha Acarya continued, "There is certainly an incarnation in every age, and such an incarnation is called the

yuga-avatara

. But your heart has become so hardened by logic and argument that you cannot consider all these facts.'"

 

So the intelligent unbiased devotee can now see that the "lila-avatara" referred to in the sloka is in fact the yuga-avatara for Kali-yuga. Lord Caitanya occupies a special category as the disguised channa avatara, covered incarnation, for Kali-yuga. We have no need to expand on that topic as it is well known to the general body of devotees. Lokaguru's mistake has been to not understand that the yuga-avataras are a sub-set of the lila-avataras, and as such the term 'lila-avatara' may be used interchangeably with the term yuga-avatara in this context. This is the case in the sloka Madhya 6.99 mentioned above.

Thus the sloka may be understood as: "In this Age of Kali there is no yuga-avatara of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore He is known as Triyuga. That is one of His holy names."

To further support this understanding one should note that in the original sloka "lila-avatara" is in the singular. If it were referring to all the lila-avataras of Kali-yuga, logically "lila-avatara" would have had to be written in the plural as there is certainly more than one lila-avatara in Kali-Yuga. Of course, as there is generally only one Yuga-avatara per yuga, Krsna dasa Kaviraja has therefore used the singular as he is referring incontrovertibly to the yuga-avatara.

If one still questions whether the yuga-avataras can be also termed as 'lila-avataras', being, as we say, a sub-set of the lila-avataras, then one need look no further than the list given by Srila Prabhupadain the purport, we quote:

 

"In his book Laghu-bhagavatamrta, Srila Rupa Gosvami has enumerated the following twenty-five lila-avataras: Catuh-sana, Narada, Varaha, Matsya, Yajna, Nara-Narayana, Kapila, Dattatreya, Hayasirsa (Hayagriva), Hamsa, Prsnigarbha, Rsabha, Prthu, Nrsimha, Kurma, Dhanvantari, Mohini, Vamana, Parasurama, Raghavendra, Vyasa, Balarama, Krsna, Buddha and Kalki."

 

The learned devotee will note that a number of the yuga-avataras are listed therein. So, it is proved that the yuga-avataras are a sub-set of the lila-avataras on the basis of this list given by Rupa Goswami.

Therefore when Srila Prabhupada states, following this list, that "In this Age of Kali there are no lila-avataras, but there is an incarnation of the Lord manifested in the body of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu", we should understand that Srila Prabhupada, by using the plural, is making it quite clear that none of the yuga-avataras appear in Kali-yuga apart from, of course, the disguised channa-avatara, Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

However, at this point we must examine another odd assertion of Lokaguru; he quotes Srila Prabhupada: "there is an incarnation of the Lord manifested in the body of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This has been explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam." To Lokaguru the incarnation in the body of Sri Caitanya is Kalki-avatara to liberate the Jagais and Madhais of Kali-yuga.

One cannot imagine where such an unbalanced speculation has come, but I do now quote Lokaguru: "Thus, the function of the lila-avatara, Kalki Prabhu, manifests through the pastime of Lord Caitanya."

Certainly Kalki is manifest within Sri Caitanya as the Supreme Personality Sri Krsna is the actual "incarnation of the Lord manifested in the body of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu". Sri Krsna contains all His plenary parts including Kalki, but Lokaguru's assertion that "Thus, the function of the lila-avatara, Kalki Prabhu, manifests through the pastime of Lord Caitanya delivering all the Jagais and Madhais of Kali Yuga by flooding the world with His Holy Names" is again pure twaddle.

Kalki's function has never been to deliver all the Jagais and Madhais by flooding the world with the Holy Names; His function has always been to appear at the conjunction of the two yugas and slaughter all the sinful demons with His sword and simultaneously purify the earth for the start of Satya Yuga with the sandalwood paste that falls from His transcendental body.

The actual "incarnation within the body of Sri Caitanya" is none other than the fountain of all incarnations, Saksad Sri Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Krsna. This is confirmed as Srila Prabhupada states the Bhagavatam, 11.5.32: "In this Age of Kali, those who are intelligent perform the congregational chanting of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who appears in this age always describing the glories of Krsna. That incarnation is yellowish in hue and is always associated with His plenary expansions [such as Sri Nityananda Prabhu] and personal expansions [such as Gadadhara], as well as His devotees and associates [such as Svarupa Damodara]."

Thus Sri Krsna is the channa-avatara for Kali-yuga, disguised by immersion in the mood and complexion of Sri Radha. And certainly Kalki will perform His particular function at the coming conjunction of Kali and Satya yugas. And certainly there are lila-avataras in Kali-yuga, for example as we have seen Sri Buddhadeva. Anyone who asserts the opposite is under illusion.

On a final note, with a wish to be helpful, we should point out the root of Lokaguru's mistake: He has doubted the Srimad Bhagavatam and found it to be offering a different conclusion to the one he had gleaned from the Caitanya-Caritamrta. Doubt in the sastra and the conclusions given by the great acaryas on the sastra is actually the polar opposite of the method for receiving the correct siddhanta:

<center> yasya deve para bhaktir

yatha deve tatha gurau

tasyaite kathita hy arthah

prakasante mahatmanah </center>

"Only unto those great souls who have implicit faith in both the Lord [in His form as the Vedic sastra] and the spiritual master are all the imports of Vedic knowledge automatically revealed." [sU 6.23]

 

We must thank Lokaguru dasa for bringing up an interesting point of siddhanta for the enrichment of all interested devotees. Discussion of these points should not be shied away from, for "such discussion strengthen one's mind in the understanding of siddhanta".

We hope this is found helpful,

your servant,

Balavidya dasa

 

 

[Sarva gattah 0]

 

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It is only an apparent contradiction because of the mercy of Lord Caitanya and His devotees

 

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In this age of Kali yuga, Kalki Avatar does not come.

 

 

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In this Kali yuga the Avatar is Lord Caitanya. Devotees have so much faith, love and conviction in their Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, that they believe that EVERYONE will be saved by Lord Caitanya. Then when Kalki does come, as He does in all Kali-yuga’s, He will simply join in the sankirtan movement of Lord Caitanya and Nityananda abandoning His regular appearance as Kalki Avatar. This is because the demonic nature of all sinful embodied baddha souls has been eradicated by the chanting of Hare Krishna. (hate the extinquish the sin and not the sinner) This is a natural selfless emotion by the Vaishava's because they want EVERY LIVING ENTITY trapped in the material world to go back home back to Godhead. Great Vaishnava's even pray that they cannot go home until ALL baddha jivas are liberated

Vedic Predictions Are Always Accurate for those who do not surrender to the Lord, but remember, this Kali-yuga is very, very special.

Sankarshan Das Adhikari explains as follows

There cannot be any discrepancies in the Vedic predictions. Therefore Kalki Avatar will indeed appear at the end of the Kali yuga 427,000 years from now and annihilate the demons. The predictions are so accurate that His father's name and His village name are also predicted. The planet earth will at that time be in a state of total chaos.

The entire human population will be reduced to the size of pygmies and they will all be cannibals engaged in killing and eating each other. Kalki Avatar's killing will be an expression of His unlimited love because anyone who is killed by Him receives immediate salvation. Because their brains will be too dull to comprehend transcendental knowledge, instead of preaching to them the Lord will mercifully deliver them by killing them. And then after they are annihilated a new golden age, the Satya Yuga, will begin.

But remember a devotee of Lord Caitanya is extremely rare, (appearing only in one Kali-yuga in a day of Brahma) and always prays to Lord Caitanya to save the unfortunate souls from the horror at the end of Kali yuga, hence when Kalki appears, he just joins in the chanting of Hare Krishna.

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It is only an apparent contradiction because of the mercy of Lord Caitanya and His devotees

 

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In this age of Kali yuga, Kalki Avatar does not come.

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In this Kali yuga the Avatar is Lord Catainya. Devotees have so much faith and love for Sri Caitanya that they believe that EVERYONE will be saved by Lord Caitanya and when Kalki does come, as He does in all Kali-yuga’s, He simply will join in the sankirtan movement of Lord Caitanya and Nityananda. This is a natural selfless emotion by the Vaishava's because they want EVERY LIVING ENTITY trapped in the material world to go back home back to Godhead. Great Vaishnava's even pray that they cannot go home until ALL baddha jivas are liberated

Vedic Predictions Are Always Accurate for those who do not surrender to the Lord, but remember, this Kali-yuga is very, very special.

Sankarshan Das Adhikari explains as follows

There cannot be any discrepancies in the Vedic predictions. Therefore Kalki Avatar will indeed appear at the end of the Kali yuga 427,000 years from now and annihilate the demons. The predictions are so accurate that His father's name and His village name are also predicted. The planet earth will at that time be in a state of total chaos.

The entire human population will be reduced to the size of pygmies and they will all be cannibals engaged in killing and eating each other. Kalki Avatar's killing will be an expression of His unlimited love because anyone who is killed by Him receives immediate salvation. Because their brains will be too dull to comprehend transcendental knowledge, instead of preaching to them the Lord will mercifully deliver them by killing them. And then after they are annihilated a new golden age, the Satya Yuga, will begin.

But remember a devotee of Lord Caitanya is extremely rare, (appearing only in one Kali-yuga in a day of Brahma) and always prays to Lord Caitanya to save the unfortunate souls from the horror at the end of Kali yuga, hence when Kalli appears, he just joins in the chanting of Hare Krishna.

 

Yes Kalki will appear, but I have a question

 

If kalki will come in 427.000 years why the Sb list so many incarnation in so little space of time? all incarnations who are listed in the SB have appeared, less kalki and He will come in 427.000 years and all others incarnation in just 5.000 years?

[Murali_Mohan_das 0]

 

Yes Kalki will appear

 

Kalki will appear *if* and *when* He feels like it.

 

He isn't bound by any rules or timetables. He could come tomorrow if He wishes.

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Kalki will apppear at the end of Kali Yuga as clearly written down in the Mahabharata and various Puranas.

 

He will *not* come whenever he likes. If that were the case why did Vyasa explicitly say Kalki will come at the end of the Kali Yuga?

 

If he will come whenever then Vyasa was wrong. Vishnu does not break his own rules. What he has said in scriptures is what he will do. His most recent avatar was the Buddha and the next avatar is Kalki.

[Murali_Mohan_das 0]

So, the Lord is bound by what He revealed to Vyasdev? The Lord cannot do as He wishes? If that is the case, then He is not very great, is He?

 

 

Kalki will apppear at the end of Kali Yuga as clearly written down in the Mahabharata and various Puranas.

 

He will *not* come whenever he likes. If that were the case why did Vyasa explicitly say Kalki will come at the end of the Kali Yuga?

 

If he will come whenever then Vyasa was wrong. Vishnu does not break his own rules. What he has said in scriptures is what he will do. His most recent avatar was the Buddha and the next avatar is Kalki.

[Beggar 0]

 

Kalki will appear *if* and *when* He feels like it.

 

He isn't bound by any rules or timetables. He could come tomorrow if He wishes.

 

Kalki will apppear at the end of Kali Yuga as clearly written down in the Mahabharata and various Puranas.

 

He will *not* come whenever he likes. If that were the case why did Vyasa explicitly say Kalki will come at the end of the Kali Yuga?

 

If he will come whenever then Vyasa was wrong. Vishnu does not break his own rules. What he has said in scriptures is what he will do. His most recent avatar was the Buddha and the next avatar is Kalki.

Here's a classic example of an argument lost in sematics. "He isn't bound by any rules or timetables". But what if He chooses to "bind" Himself to a rule or timetable? Can He do that? The answer is obvious. So what is the basis of the disagreement? Maybe over whether there can be an exception to the rule that Bhagavan comes at scheduled times as stated in sastra. Murali Mohan Prabhu, can you show from sastra an instance of when the Lord did not come at scheduled time? I don't believe that you can. So if I'm correct on this point, then where is the disagreement? I'm sure both parties accept the premise that the Lord is svarat or independent. But what is the relevance here? For instance one person could say that in Bhagavad Gita that Krsna says that the living entities are eternal. Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur has stated one place (can't quote it here) that if Bhagavan desires then He can actually destroy the existence of the jiva.

This illustrates the completely independent nature of His divine will. But what would be the reason to bring this up in a basic Bhagavad Gita class for beginners? Every thought or concept has its proper application.

There different levels of understanding and from a didactic angle they can be called installments. For instance why should I tell a group of relative neophytes that "Vrndavana is for shallow thinkers" when they have not even digested the Vrndavana conception of Krsna to begin with? What will they get out of it except confusion?

Overly stressing of one angle of vision - Angle G at the expense of another, angle B will not be a balanced approach, especially if such angles unfold progressively, that is ABCDEFG... The same thing is true about the topic of mercy. One may say that "everything depends on what type of sadhu we have connection with". But such a view must be tempered with a rather large - "on the other hand" explanation. Otherwise we will think that Mahaprabhu accepted the surrender of the kitten. The mother cat holds the kitten and therefore that kitten only depends on the mercy of the mother. But Mahaprabhu rejected this and accepted the example of the mother monkey and the baby monkey. The mother monkey holds the baby monkey when she runs, but if the baby monkey does not also hold on then he will fall. So Mahaprabhu accepted that some endeavor must come from the practitioner. Just like Mother Yasoda kept coming up two finger lengths short when she was attempting to bind Krsna. One finger represents mercy and the other represents our endeavor.

[Murali_Mohan_das 0]

Do the eternal shastras, as they have been revealed to Veda Vyas for our illumination, contain descriptions of other chatur-yugas, or cycles of the four yugas, or are they limited to our own? If it's the latter, how can we say that each manifestation is like every other?

 

As for what's important, isn't the most important concept on which to focus that the Lord is free and independent of any limitation? Is it possible for any scripture to detail every pastime of the Lord?

 

That the Lord is the Divine Autocrat *is* the ABC's.

 

 

Here's a classic example of an argument lost in sematics. "He isn't bound by any rules or timetables". But what if He chooses to "bind" Himself to a rule or timetable? Can He do that? The answer is obvious. So what is the basis of the disagreement? Maybe over whether there can be an exception to the rule that Bhagavan comes at scheduled times as stated in sastra. Murali Mohan Prabhu, can you show from sastra an instance of when the Lord did not come at scheduled time? I don't believe that you can. So if I'm correct on this point, then where is the disagreement? I'm sure both parties accept the premise that the Lord is svarat or independent. But what is the relevance here? For instance one person could say that in Bhagavad Gita that Krsna says that the living entities are eternal. Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur has stated one place (can't quote it here) that if Bhagavan desires then He can actually destroy the existence of the jiva.

This illustrates the completely independent nature of His divine will. But what would be the reason to bring this up in a basic Bhagavad Gita class for beginners? Every thought or concept has its proper application.

There different levels of understanding and from a didactic angle they can be called installments. For instance why should I tell a group of relative neophytes that "Vrndavana is for shallow thinkers" when they have not even digested the Vrndavana conception of Krsna to begin with? What will they get out of it except confusion?

Overly stressing of one angle of vision - Angle G at the expense of another, angle B will not be a balanced approach, especially if such angles unfold progressively, that is ABCDEFG... The same thing is true about the topic of mercy. One may say that "everything depends on what type of sadhu we have connection with". But such a view must be tempered with a rather large - "on the other hand" explanation. Otherwise we will think that Mahaprabhu accepted the surrender of the kitten. The mother cat holds the kitten and therefore that kitten only depends on the mercy of the mother. But Mahaprabhu rejected this and accepted the example of the mother monkey and the baby monkey. The mother monkey holds the baby monkey when she runs, but if the baby monkey does not also hold on then he will fall. So Mahaprabhu accepted that some endeavor must come from the practitioner. Just like Mother Yasoda kept coming up two finger lengths short when she was attempting to bind Krsna. One finger represents mercy and the other represents our endeavor.

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That the Lord is the Divine Autocrat *is* the ABC's.

 

Not necessarily. Certainly in Srimad Bhagavatm 1.1.1 we are told that the lord is independent but the autocracy of the Lord in the conception as told by Srila Sridhar Maharaj in the early 1980's may be a bit more advanced.

That's Srila Sridhar Maharaj quoting Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur that the Lord can destroy the existence of the jiva. Would one tell someone this who is not even convinced of the eternality of the soul as Krsna explains in the Bhagavad Gita? So it's really not the ABC's or maybe it's the ABC's of full-fledged theism. But full-fledged theism is taught or presented in installments.

Here is another example of gradation. Srila Prabhupada says (I'm being lazy and not quoting) if one does not think that they can go back to Godhead at the end of this life then they cannot make any advancement. But that implies that should desire to go back to Godhead. Then the next installment is that Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu showed by example and taught that a Vaisnava does not want liberation but rather eternal sevice to the Lord. There are different levels of truths in Krsna Consciousness. In their own practice one must be true to their own level of attainment and be conscious of it. When preaching or explaining Krsna Consciousness one must be conscious of their own level and the level of the hearer or listerner (reader). Supposedly we are on the alert for imitation, but to ignore these principles or be unaware of them is definitely a slide down the slippery slope towards just that.

[Murali_Mohan_das 0]

So, then, tell me which ABC's I ought to present.

 

 

Not necessarily.

[Murali_Mohan_das 0]

 

So, then, tell me which ABC's I ought to present.

 

How about, "Just accept Prabhupada as your personal Lord and savior and He will take away all your sins"?

[Beggar 0]

 

So, then, tell me which ABC's I ought to present.

 

Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada's Bhagavad Gita As It Is , especially the introduction or a presentation along those lines, the first several cantos of Srimad Bhagavatam with its philosophical exlplanations (including the autobiography of Sri Narada) and the stories of the great devotees in later cantos like Dhruva Maharaja, Praladha Maharaja, Bharata Maharaja (including Jada Bharata) Abhirisa Maharaja, the story of Ajamila. Parts of Gaura lila which show the glories of the Holy Name, like the different narrations of the life of Hari das Thakur and the parts of Caitanya Caritamrta where Mahaprabhu defeats impersonalism like his talks with Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya and Prakasananda Saraswati. The first half of Jaiva Dharma by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur where the basic siddhanta of Gaudiya Vaisnavism are presented.

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So, the Lord is bound by what He revealed to Vyasdev? The Lord cannot do as He wishes? If that is the case, then He is not very great, is He?

 

The Lord is Vyasa. He has made some revealations in his scriptures and he will go by what he said.

 

The Lord is doing what he wishes and he has already informed us about some of his activities like coming to Earth as Kalki at the end of KaliYuga. He would not be very great if he predicted one of his future activities and then changed his mind like you imply for the prediction will be false and he did not know the future.

[Murali_Mohan_das 0]

Thanks for the tips. I'll try to keep them in mind. Of course, I need to go back and review (or view for the first time) the ABC's.

 

 

Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada's Bhagavad Gita As It Is , especially the introduction or a presentation along those lines, the first several cantos of Srimad Bhagavatam with its philosophical exlplanations (including the autobiography of Sri Narada) and the stories of the great devotees in later cantos like Dhruva Maharaja, Praladha Maharaja, Bharata Maharaja (including Jada Bharata) Abhirisa Maharaja, the story of Ajamila. Parts of Gaura lila which show the glories of the Holy Name, like the different narrations of the life of Hari das Thakur and the parts of Caitanya Caritamrta where Mahaprabhu defeats impersonalism like his talks with Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya and Prakasananda Saraswati. The first half of Jaiva Dharma by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur where the basic siddhanta of Gaudiya Vaisnavism are presented.

[Murali_Mohan_das 0]

I guess. The Lord makes rules He won't break?

 

It's not worth an argument, to be sure. Time will tell.

 

 

The Lord is Vyasa. He has made some revealations in his scriptures and he will go by what he said.

 

The Lord is doing what he wishes and he has already informed us about some of his activities like coming to Earth as Kalki at the end of KaliYuga. He would not be very great if he predicted one of his future activities and then changed his mind like you imply for the prediction will be false and he did not know the future.