The Villagers and the train - Different realizations of the absolute truth

[realist 0]

 

Sleeper-vadis - accomplished by "expert" political Iraq policy.

 

We are ALL nitya-baddha sleep or dream avardis in the material world Baba!! And will remain so until we re-establish our awareness of our original OLD consciousness as nitya siddha svarupa:pray:

[realist 0]

 

If I search for the twenty-six qualities to determine which camp presents the truth, which camp comes from Sri Krsna, then it's quite clear which conclusions are not worth considering - right or wrong.

The teachings of Srila Prabhupada and all the Vedic texts are not limited by our narrow mindedness and 21st century primitive perceptions of life both in Goloka and in our nitya-baddha dream-avardi state in the mahat-tattva.

Lets face the facts prabhuisical, most of the early pioneer devotees where like parrots who had no idea or realizations of Spiritual life or how the mahat-tattva worked through the fascilitation of Maha-Vishnu's dreams. We all just heard and repeated like parrots with very little realizations, not that there is anything wrong with that however, for ISKCON and the Gaudiya math to survive and not sink into stagnation and just become another 'church', we all must go to the next level, just like Prabhupada went to the next level when he progressed from the Gaudiya math and went to New York and then preahed Krishna Consiousness all over the World.

[suchandra 1]

 

We are ALL nitya-baddha sleep or dream avardis in the material world Baba!! And will remain so until we re-establish our awareness of our original OLD consciousness as nitya siddha svarupa:pray:

 

 

 

 

 

 

No Sanskrit Term For Fallen Devotees

saragrahi.org

 

Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti, commenting on Srimad Bhagavatam 10.87.32, says that there are four types of living beings:

1. Baddha--those under the influence of the avidya potency.

2. Mukta--those liberated from the covering of avidya by bhakti, but have not yet attained a spiritual body. These are also called jivan-muktas, or liberated while living in the material body.

3. Siddha--those who have attained a spiritual body by the influence of bhakti. These are called baddha-muktas or liberated after being in bondage.

4. Nitya parsada--those who are eternally free from the association of avidya. They never become conditioned. They are also called nitya-muktas or nitya-siddhas.

He does not have a fifth category called mukta-baddha for those who were first liberated and then fell down. In all the Vedic literature no such concept is found. One can see words such as nitya-baddha, nitya-mukta, and baddha-mukta, but nothing describing something like mukta-baddha, liberated then bound.

Similarly, commenting on Vedanta-Syamantaka (3), a book by his spiritual master, Srila Baladeva Vidyäbhusana divided the jévas in three classes,

1. Nitya-mukta--eternally liberated.

2. Baddha-mukta--were conditioned but became liberated.

3. Baddha--conditioned living entities.

Again there is no mention of a class called mukta-baddha or something akin to that. Srila Krishnadasa Kaviraja Goswami (Cc.Madhya 22.10) and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Maharaja (Vaishnavism Real and apparent) mention only two classes, nitya-mukta and nitya-baddha. If so many living entities have indeed fallen from Vaikuntha then one would expect to read something about them and find a word or phrase describing this class of living entities in common usage. But no Vaishnava philosopher has ever used such a word in his writing. There are no explicit statements in the Vedic literature which explain that a nitya-mukta falls. One may try to screw out such meanings from some allegorical verses such as in the story of Puranjana or misinterpreting words like remembrance, original relationship, forgetting Krishna, and so forth, still the fact remains that there are no clear statements in the scriptures to support such conclusions, but there are many statements that establish another conclusion, namely that no one falls from Vaikuëöha and the conditioned souls existence is eternal, anadi, or beginningless.

We have so many statements and stories describing how a nitya-baddha become liberated, although attaining liberation is such a rare thing. On the other hand, fall down, which, if accepted, would be a very commonplace thing considering the vast number of fallen jivas in this one universe alone, yet one does not find a single historical account of such an event in the many volumes of Vedic literature. We stipulate there is only one reason why this is so--because no one falls from Vaikuntha and as the Krishna says in Bhagavad-gita (13.20) material nature as well as the conditioned living entities are beginningless.

[realist 0]

 

 

 

No Sanskåt Term For Fallen Devotees

 

Sréla Viçvanätha Cakravarté, commenting on Çrémad Bhägavatam 10.87.32, says that there are four types of living beings:

Te ca megho pamayä avidyayä ävåtä baddha-jévä eke, anye bhakti-maj-jïänena tad-ävaraëonmuktä mukta-jéväù anye kevalayä pradhänébhütayä vä bhaktyä tadävaraëonmocita-präpita-cidänanda-maya-bhajanopayogi-çaréraù siddha-bhaktä anye avidyä-yoga-rahitä eva nitya-parñadä iti caturvidhäù.

1. Baddha--those under the influence of the avidyä potency.

2. Mukta--those liberated from the covering of avidyä by bhakti, but have not yet attained a spiritual body. These are also called jévan-muktas, or liberated while living in the material body.

3. Siddha--those who have attained a spiritual body by the influence of bhakti. These are called baddha-muktas or liberated after being in bondage.

4. Nitya pärñada--those who are eternally free from the association of avidyä. They never become conditioned. They are also called nitya-muktas or nitya-siddhas.

He does not have a fifth category called mukta-baddha for those who were first liberated and then fell down. In all the Vedic literature no such concept is found. One can see words such as nitya-baddha, nitya-mukta, and baddha-mukta, but nothing describing something like mukta-baddha, liberated then bound.

Similarly, commenting on Vedänta-Syamantaka (3), a book by his spiritual master, Çréla Baladeva Vidyäbhuñaëa divided the jévas in three classes,

1. Nitya-mukta--eternally liberated.

2. Baddha-mukta--were conditioned but became liberated.

3. Baddha--conditioned living entities.

Again there is no mention of a class called mukta-baddha or something akin to that. Kåñëadäsa Kaviräja (Cc.Madhya 22.10) and Çréla Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté (Vaiñëavism Real and apparent) mention only two classes, nitya-mukta and nitya-baddha. If so many living entities have indeed fallen from Vaikuëöha then one would expect to read something about them and find a word or phrase describing this class of living entities in common usage. But no Vaiñëava philosopher has ever used such a word in his writing. There are no explicit statements in the Vedic literature which explain that a nitya-mukta falls. One may try to screw out such meanings from some allegorical verses such as in the story of Puraïjana or misinterpreting words like remembrance, original relationship, forgetting Kåñëa, and so forth, still the fact remains that there are no clear statements in the scriptures to support such conclusions, but there are many statements that establish another conclusion, namely that no one falls from Vaikuëöha and the conditioned souls existence is eternal, anädi, or beginningless.

We have so many statements and stories describing how a nitya-baddha become liberated, although attaining liberation is such a rare thing. On the other hand, fall down, which, if accepted, would be a very commonplace thing considering the vast number of fallen jévas in this one universe alone, yet one does not find a single historical account of such an event in the many volumes of Vedic literature. We stipulate there is only one reason why this is so--because no one falls from Vaikuëöha and as the Kåñëa says in Bhagavad-gita (13.20) material nature as well as the conditioned living entities are beginningless.

Now I can read it, remember prabhu to read Srila Prabhupadas books, lectures, letters and Srimad Bhagavatam Classes. Srila Prabhupada is the link to all past acharaya's and their teachings.

Srila Prabhupada - “Originally everyone is nitya-siddha. Nitya-siddha krsna-bhakti ’sadhya’ kabhu naya sravanadi-suddha-citte karaye udaya Every living entity originally nitya-siddha, “. Srimad-Bhagavatam Class 7.9.4– Mayapur, February 18, 1977

Srila Prabhupada -“The living entity should become purified and regain his svarūpa, his original identity” Srimad Bhagavatam 8.24.48

[realist 0]

 

 

 

No Sanskrit Term For Fallen Devotees

saragrahi.org

 

Yes there is, actually ALL living entities who have chosen to be dream-avardis in the material world by forgetting Krishna and their own perpetual 'svarupa' body, are all dreaming as their nitya-baddha secondary non-Krishna Conscious self within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu’ Our authentic constitutional eternal self is nitya-siddha in Goloka established in the endless 'presents'

 

We all can use our freewill and fooolishly enter Maha-Vishnu’s mahat-tattva creation, however no one originates from Maha-Vishnu’s dreaming mahat-tattva creation. We can only enter His dark cloud as our dreaming nitya-baddha lower self that is then given vessels by Maha-Vishnu to act out our mistaken desires within His mahat-tattva DREAM (material creation)

 

All of us living out our mundane dreams of grandur within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu's mahat-tattva, are ALL dream-avadis or sleep-avadis because we have ALL forgotten Krishna and our eternal DEVOTIONAL body we serve Krishna as.

 

Srila Prabhupada – “So this dreaming condition is called non-liberated life, and this is just like a dream. Although in this material calculation it is a long, long period, as soon as we come to Krishna consciousness then this period is considered as a second”. Letter from Srila Prabhupada in 1972 to devotee in Australia

 

Srila Prabhupada - “Actually, you are not conditioned. You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream. (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.108–San Francisco, February 18, 1967)

 

Srila Prabhupada “Originally everyone is nitya-siddha. nitya-siddha krsna-bhakti ’sadhya’ kabhu naya sravanadi-suddha-citte karaye udaya Every living entity originally nitya-siddha, “. Srimad-Bhagavatam Class 7.9.4– Mayapur, February 18, 1977

 

It is clear when Srila Prabhupada refers to our “Old” consciousness he meant that we are eternally with Lord Krishna in Goloka Vrindavan as our imperishable devotional eternal nitya-siddha-svarupa (bodily form) devotional body eternally.

 

Srila Prabhupada -”Because the living being can appear either in matter or in spirit, the jiva is called the marginal potency” CC Adi 5.41 pp.

 

 

[suchandra 1]

 

Now I can read it, remember prabhu to read Srila Prabhupadas books, lectures, letters and Srimad Bhagavatam Classes. Srila Prabhupada is the link to all past acharaya's and their teachings.

Srila Prabhupada - “Originally everyone is nitya-siddha. Nitya-siddha krsna-bhakti ’sadhya’ kabhu naya sravanadi-suddha-citte karaye udaya Every living entity originally nitya-siddha, “. Srimad-Bhagavatam Class 7.9.4– Mayapur, February 18, 1977

Srila Prabhupada -“The living entity should become purified and regain his svarūpa, his original identity” Srimad Bhagavatam 8.24.48

 

 

 

Thanks for your kindness - yes, I will read Srila Prabhupada's books, lectures, letters and Srimad Bhagavatam Classes.

[suchandra 1]

 

Yes there is, actually ALL living entities who have chosen to be dream-avardis in the material world by forgetting Krishna and their own perpetual 'svarupa' body, are all dreaming as their nitya-baddha secondary non-Krishna Conscious self within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu’ Our authentic constitutional eternal self is nitya-siddha in Goloka established in the endless 'presents'

 

We all can use our freewill and fooolishly enter Maha-Vishnu’s mahat-tattva creation, however no one originates from Maha-Vishnu’s dreaming mahat-tattva creation. We can only enter His dark cloud as our dreaming nitya-baddha lower self that is then given vessels by Maha-Vishnu to act out our mistaken desires within His mahat-tattva DREAM (material creation)

 

All of us living out our mundane dreams of grandur within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu's mahat-tattva, are ALL dream-avadis or sleep-avadis because we have ALL forgotten Krishna and our eternal DEVOTIONAL body we serve Krishna as.

 

Srila Prabhupada – “So this dreaming condition is called non-liberated life, and this is just like a dream. Although in this material calculation it is a long, long period, as soon as we come to Krishna consciousness then this period is considered as a second”. Letter from Srila Prabhupada in 1972 to devotee in Australia

 

Srila Prabhupada - “Actually, you are not conditioned. You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream. (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.108–San Francisco, February 18, 1967)

 

Srila Prabhupada “Originally everyone is nitya-siddha. nitya-siddha krsna-bhakti ’sadhya’ kabhu naya sravanadi-suddha-citte karaye udaya Every living entity originally nitya-siddha, “. Srimad-Bhagavatam Class 7.9.4– Mayapur, February 18, 1977

 

It is clear when Srila Prabhupada refers to our “Old” consciousness he meant that we are eternally with Lord Krishna in Goloka Vrindavan as our imperishable devotional eternal nitya-siddha-svarupa (bodily form) devotional body eternally.

 

Srila Prabhupada -”Because the living being can appear either in matter or in spirit, the jiva is called the marginal potency” CC Adi 5.41 pp.

 

 

 

Looks like you have it all wrong, to quote Srila Visvanatha Chakravarti Thakur is approved by Srila Prabhupada:

 

Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti, commenting on Srimad Bhagavatam 10.87.32, says that there are four types of living beings:

1. Baddha--those under the influence of the avidya potency.

2. Mukta--those liberated from the covering of avidya by bhakti, but have not yet attained a spiritual body. These are also called jivan-muktas, or liberated while living in the material body.

3. Siddha--those who have attained a spiritual body by the influence of bhakti. These are called baddha-muktas or liberated after being in bondage.

4. Nitya parsada--those who are eternally free from the association of avidya. They never become conditioned. They are also called nitya-muktas or nitya-siddhas.

He does not have a fifth category called mukta-baddha for those who were first liberated and then fell down. In all the Vedic literature no such concept is found. One can see words such as nitya-baddha, nitya-mukta, and baddha-mukta, but nothing describing something like mukta-baddha, liberated then bound.

Similarly, commenting on Vedanta-Syamantaka (3), a book by his spiritual master, Srila Baladeva Vidyäbhusana divided the jévas in three classes,

1. Nitya-mukta--eternally liberated.

2. Baddha-mukta--were conditioned but became liberated.

3. Baddha--conditioned living entities.

Again there is no mention of a class called mukta-baddha or something akin to that. Srila Krishnadasa Kaviraja Goswami (Cc.Madhya 22.10) and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Maharaja (Vaishnavism Real and apparent) mention only two classes, nitya-mukta and nitya-baddha. If so many living entities have indeed fallen from Vaikuntha then one would expect to read something about them and find a word or phrase describing this class of living entities in common usage. But no Vaishnava philosopher has ever used such a word in his writing. There are no explicit statements in the Vedic literature which explain that a nitya-mukta falls. One may try to screw out such meanings from some allegorical verses such as in the story of Puranjana or misinterpreting words like remembrance, original relationship, forgetting Krishna, and so forth, still the fact remains that there are no clear statements in the scriptures to support such conclusions, but there are many statements that establish another conclusion, namely that no one falls from Vaikuëöha and the conditioned souls existence is eternal, anadi, or beginningless.

We have so many statements and stories describing how a nitya-baddha become liberated, although attaining liberation is such a rare thing. On the other hand, fall down, which, if accepted, would be a very commonplace thing considering the vast number of fallen jivas in this one universe alone, yet one does not find a single historical account of such an event in the many volumes of Vedic literature. We stipulate there is only one reason why this is so--because no one falls from Vaikuntha and as the Krishna says in Bhagavad-gita (13.20) material nature as well as the conditioned living entities are beginningless.

[realist 0]

 

Looks like you have it all wrong, to quote Srila Visvanatha Chakravarti Thakur is approved by Srila Prabhupada:

 

Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti, commenting on Srimad Bhagavatam 10.87.32, says that there are four types of living beings:

1. Baddha--those under the influence of the avidya potency.

2. Mukta--those liberated from the covering of avidya by bhakti, but have not yet attained a spiritual body. These are also called jivan-muktas, or liberated while living in the material body.

3. Siddha--those who have attained a spiritual body by the influence of bhakti. These are called baddha-muktas or liberated after being in bondage.

4. Nitya parsada--those who are eternally free from the association of avidya. They never become conditioned. They are also called nitya-muktas or nitya-siddhas.

He does not have a fifth category called mukta-baddha for those who were first liberated and then fell down. In all the Vedic literature no such concept is found. One can see words such as nitya-baddha, nitya-mukta, and baddha-mukta, but nothing describing something like mukta-baddha, liberated then bound.

 

Yes you are right but ultimately there is only Krishna the original cause of all causes and his unlimited Vishnu-tattvas plus the unlimited marginal living entities or jiva tattvas. You are correct that most living entities never choose to activate their nitya-baddha consciousness, even though that choose is always there, Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti has named them correctly. The fact is there are many different names for nitya-siddhas on different levels of bodily devotion in Goloka however, under no condirtions do any living enters originate from the Impersonal Brahmajyoti. That is not possible because ALL living entities are originally nitya-siddha devotees of Krishna in Goloka or Vaikuntha..

 

What he has described is the different characteristic of the marginal living entity however, in all cases they are marginal, they are not Vishnu-tattva. In all cases they also have the free will to choose to reject Krishna if they desire but Srila Prabhupada explains that most NEVER reject Krishna, Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti expains those with the correct terminology however from the bigger picture there are only two kinds of the marginal living entities consciousness, nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha

 

Srila Prabhupada – ‘This ordinary living being is of two kinds — nitya-baddha or nitya-mukta. One is eternally conditioned and the other eternally liberated. The eternally liberated living beings are in the Vaikuntha jagat, the spiritual world, and they never fall into the material world.’ SB 5.11.12 Purport

 

Then Srila Prabhupada explains we are all nitya-siidha but presently cannot see our perpetual real permanant bodily identity that always is serving Krishna.

Srila Prabhupada – “…We are eternally conditioned, (NITYA-BADDHA) but as soon as we surrender to Krishna do we then become eternally liberated (NITYA-SIDDHA) You are not eternally conditioned. You are eternally liberated (NITYA-SIDDHA) but since we have become conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way of life, from time immemorial, therefore it only appears that we are eternally conditioned (NITYA-BADDHA)’ Letter to Aniruddha, dated November 14, 1968,

 

Srila Prabhupada “This is confirmed in all Vedic literature. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam. So, as we are also persons, individual living beings, we are persons, we have got our individuality, we are all individual, similarly the Supreme Truth, the Supreme Absolute, He is also, at the ultimate issue He is a person. But realization of the Personality of Godhead is realization of all the transcendental features like sat, cit, and ananda, in complete vigraha Gitopanisad by Srila Prabhupada Part Two

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[Vigraha 0]

 

All you nitya-baddha dream-avadis out there in the mahat-tattva and the impersonal Brahmajyoti, wakey wakey stop allowing your thoughts to keep purchasing material vessels off Maha-Vishnu who sleeps and dreams on Ananta Sesa the big gigantic transcendental snakey

 

 

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The mahat-tattva world of the nitya-baddha dream-avardis is only attained when one chooses to mise use their free will and forget Krishna and their own perpetual nitya siddha Krishna Conscious body which is their genuine, authentic and permanent devotional bodly self.

 

 

 

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[Kulapavana 0]

A simple question to all of you sleepervadis:

 

WHAT IS THAT LIGHT COMING OUT OF YOGI'S HEAD?

 

 

if you ask any transcendentalist, even a new bhakta, they will answer that question without ANY hesitation. How about you, Drutakarma's disciples? Can you answer that simple question in one sentence?

[suchandra 1]

 

A simple question to all of you sleepervadis:

 

WHAT IS THAT LIGHT COMING OUT OF YOGI'S HEAD?

 

 

if you ask any transcendentalist, even a new bhakta, they will answer that question without ANY hesitation. How about you, Drutakarma's disciples? Can you answer that simple question in one sentence?

If it is an impersonalist yogi it is Brahman effulgence, bhakti-yogi it is bhakti-rasa, anandam buddhi vardhanam - ever increasing spiritual bliss - the pleasure of Krishna Consciousness.

[Vigraha 0]

A good point that realist has made is all of us are dream-avardis in the material world

 

And your answer is when the impersonalist yogi are able to shake off his material biological form and his underlining ethereal or subtle body, the nitya-baddha conscious aspect of ones marginal identity vibrates inactively as a part and parcel of the bright living impersonal Brahmajyoti. That particular light you are taling about is the energy or s'akti of the jiva-tattva.

[Beggar 0]

 

A simple question to all of you sleepervadis:

 

WHAT IS THAT LIGHT COMING OUT OF YOGI'S HEAD?

 

 

if you ask any transcendentalist, even a new bhakta, they will answer that question without ANY hesitation. How about you, Drutakarma's disciples? Can you answer that simple question in one sentence?

 

You Vardi, you! You vardi guys just don't get the next level do you? Yes, our worst nightmares have become true. The Sleeper-Vadi Mother Ship (the mother of all avardi ships) teleported Sleeper-padas down to me residence and now I can understand that I'm dreaming in me eternal swarupa body in Gololka. Now me happy Goloka. Before I was just happy go lucky. No vardi-ism for me, anymore. No more trying to verify concepts from Prabhupada with writings of the previous acaryas. (which is why you stinkin Vardi heads are all messed up). Srila Prabhupada is THE PORTAL to the previous acaryas. The divine moon faced Drutakarma lives in that portal. Try all you can Vardis, but you will never flush him out with the enema of you Gaudiya Math Vardi ideas!

[Guruvani 0]

 

A good point that realist has made is all of us are dream-avardis in the material world

 

And your answer is when the impersonalist yogi are able to shake off his material biological form and his underlining ethereal or subtle body, the nitya-baddha conscious aspect of ones marginal identity vibrates inactively as a part and parcel of the bright living impersonal Brahmajyoti. That particular light you are taling about is the energy or s'akti of the jiva-tattva.

 

You must be typing with your toes, because I know that your arms must be in a straight jacket somewhere in some sanitarium for the spiritually ill.

[Beggar 0]

The Chief Avardi discovers a Gaudiya Math Vardi outpost and prepares to attack:

[suchandra 1]

 

You must be typing with your toes, because I know that your arms must be in a straight jacket somewhere in some sanitarium for the spiritually ill.

"Sanitarium" instead of "sanatorium" - reminds of Satsvarupa's spelling mistake when admitting that his book "Sanatorium" wasn't bonafide.

[Guruvani 0]

 

"Sanitarium" instead of "sanatorium" - reminds of Satsvarupa's spelling mistake when admitting that his book "Sanatorium" wasn't bonafide.

 

 

 

 

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[Vigraha 0]

The impersonalist yogi is only in that imaginary position dreaming in a dreamless state in the impersonal Brahmajyoti due to his restricted nitya-baddha consciousness. He had long, long ago (probably almost an eternity), forgotten completely who he really is as an eternal nitya-siddha devotee of Krishna.

Srila Prabhupada – “…We are eternally conditioned, (NITYA-BADDHA) but as soon as we surrender to Krishna do we then become eternally liberated (NITYA-SIDDHA) You are not eternally conditioned. You are eternally liberated (NITYA-SIDDHA) but since we have become conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way of life, from time immemorial, therefore it only appears that we are eternally conditioned (NITYA-BADDHA)’ Letter to Aniruddha, dated November 14, 1968,

 

Srila Prabhupada “This is confirmed in all Vedic literature. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam. So, as we are also persons, individual living beings, we are persons, we have got our individuality, we are all individual, similarly the Supreme Truth, the Supreme Absolute, He is also, at the ultimate issue He is a person. But realization of the Personality of Godhead is realization of all the transcendental features like sat, cit, and ananda, in complete vigraha. Gitopanisad by Srila Prabhupada Part Two

 

Srila Prabhupada “Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that I have nothing to do with this material world and that I am simply Krishna’s servant.- Eternal servant., we break the dream. Similarly, we can break this situation” lecture Tokyo Japan 1972: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 2.9.1

[Beggar 0]

 

 

 

 

Srila Prabhupada “Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that I have nothing to do with this material world and that I am simply Krishna’s servant.- Eternal servant., we break the dream. Similarly, we can break this situation” lecture Tokyo Japan 1972: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 2.9.1

 

"...we break the dream. Similarly, we can break this situation". Similarly means that this is an analogy. To some degree it's the same and to some degree it's different. Only when one really wakes up can they fully know.

It won't help you as an individual to wake up by carrying on this pseudo-spiritual, pseudo-religious, political campaign. It's just a disturbance to the atmosphere.

[Guruvani 0]

 

It won't help you as an individual to wake up by carrying on this pseudo-spiritual, pseudo-religious, political campaign.

Exactly.

It's a campaign NOT to protect the Gaudiya siddhanta, but a campaign to protect the asses of the ISKCON buffoons who are embarrassed over having advocated heresy of the Gaudiya siddhanta as part of a campaign of war against all non-ISKCON Gaudiya Vaishnava gurus and devotees.

 

Ultimately, they will all be exposed for what they are - neophyte fools with a political agenda of personal prestige and position as career gurus and ISKCON administrators.

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The teachings of Srila Prabhupada and all the Vedic texts are not limited by our narrow mindedness and 21st century primitive perceptions of life both in Goloka and in our nitya-baddha dream-avardi state in the mahat-tattva.

Lets face the facts prabhuisical, most of the early pioneer devotees where like parrots who had no idea or realizations of Spiritual life or how the mahat-tattva worked through the fascilitation of Maha-Vishnu's dreams. We all just heard and repeated like parrots with very little realizations, not that there is anything wrong with that however, for ISKCON and the Gaudiya math to survive and not sink into stagnation and just become another 'church', we all must go to the next level, just like Prabhupada went to the next level when he progressed from the Gaudiya math and went to New York and then preahed Krishna Consiousness all over the World.

 

Interesting reading, these are the hard facts that no-one can dispute

 

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Srila Prabhupada “Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that I have nothing to do with this material world and that I am simply Krishna’s servant.- Eternal servant., we break the dream. Similarly, we can break this situation” lecture Tokyo Japan 1972: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 2.9.1

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A good point that realist has made is all of us are dream-avardis in the material world

And your answer is when the impersonalist yogi are able to shake off his material biological form and his underlining ethereal or subtle body, the nitya-baddha conscious aspect of ones marginal identity vibrates inactively as a part and parcel of the bright living impersonal Brahmajyoti. That particular light you are taling about is the energy or s'akti of the jiva-tattva.

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These are the facts, the impersonalist yogi mentioned above is not a devotee and does not recognize Paramatma accompanying him, he only sees himself as one with everything and does not even recognize his own individuality, he considers himself as part of one all pervasive life force and he sees that light emanating from himself as the oneness that flows through all living things and makes up the impersonal clear light or Brahmajyoti. Not only does the impersonalist yogi not believe in his nitya-siddha body, but he also does not believe in a nitya-baddha consciousness. To them there is only one consciousness flowering through all existence, all bodily vessels etc.

Devotees call this Mayavardi philosophy

 

[Murali_Mohan_das 0]

For once, this debate is topical. It is a lovely example of the analogy which started this thread. A train is a big sound. No, a train is a bright light...

[Beggar 0]

 

Devotees call this Mayavardi philosophy

Are you kidding us or what? Have you gone off the deep end? There are hundreds of references in Srila Prabhupada's books about Mayavadis.

Where the hell did you come up with this "Mayavardi" madness. Check it. Why don't we hook up your vardi with my dog's vardi, Yeah!!!

[Guruvani 0]

 

Are you kidding us or what? Have you gone off the deep end?

 

Yes, he went off the deep end of the Viraja.(causal ocean)

That is the ocean of maya and the dream that we are actually in Goloka suffering from illusion.

[Kulapavana 0]

 

If it is an impersonalist yogi it is Brahman effulgence...

 

yes, we are all part of Brahman effulgence...