God is unknowable

[dattaswami 0]

God is unknowable

If you say that He is this and – He is not that, it means

That you have understood God, – None knows God,

Gita says this, – only God knows God, Veda says.

If you say that you know God – you must be God.

You say that you are awareness – and that awareness is God.

Yes, you are only awareness – you know yourself, we agree.

But awareness is not God – since you know awareness, yourself.

Every one is awareness like you, – if God is awareness,

Every body knows God, – then, how Gita said that

None knows God, – then, how Vedas say that

If any body says that he knows God, – he does not know

God at all, if any body says that – he does not know God

He knows God, – this means God is unknowable.

Advaitins have misunderstood – even the theory-class,

Advaita or monism is limited – to human incarnation only,

It should not be extended to – every human being here.

Advaita applies to Shankara, – He is human incarnation.

He swallowed molten lead, – followers could not do so.

He clearly filtered human beings – from Him by this miracle.

He told “Shivah Kevaloham”, – it means that He alone is God.

You have misunderstood Advaita – in the very first step itself

By extending it to all humanity – so that you become God.

This shows your ambition – to become omnipotent God.

Soham means that you are God, – this is the final eternal fruit.

It is possible but you have to – travel in a special path, it is

Dasoham, which means that – you are humble servant to God.

The address of God to serve is – the human incarnation here.

The care in service is that – you should never aspire for soham.

Hanuman studied Gita from Sun, – God told Gita to Sun, first,

He understood that Advaita is fruit, – Dvaita is the path to reach it.

With utmost care, He served His - contemporary human incarnation.

He received the fruit, – Ramayana is the practical procedure,

After understanding theory, Veda, – from Sun, returned to earth.

Advaitin has not understood – even the theory told by Shankara,

The Sun of knowledge on earth, – but follower is not Hanuman!

The follower is only a monkey – jumping quickly from right

Interpretation to wrong interpretation, - how can he come to

The practical procedure? – Ramayana is just a story for him.

Rama is Datta testing devotees severely, – first He masked Himself

With thick ignorance to impress that – He is a common man.

All His life is only examination of devotees, – no preaching here.

All the preaching was over – in the upper world for devotees.

He never showed miracles, – Lakshmana left his wife for Rama.

He acted as a watchman – while Rama enjoyed Sita in hut.

Rama showed climax of love to wife – by running for deer.

Rama overacted by weeping for wife, – all this is to divert

Lakshmana towards his wife, – Lakshmana was firm and never

Misunderstood Rama for His lust, - Rama acted as incapable

In several occasions, – Hanuman solved all His problems,

Some times Hanuman showed – miracles to help Rama,

But Hanuman always praised Rama – as omnipotent God,

Hanuman never thought himself – as God, only servant.

Every step of Ramayana – is a message for Pravrutti externally,

But internally every step is – a test in the end of Nivrutti.

Similarly Bhagavatam is a test – of Nivrutti for the sages.

<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> acted as a thief and – over showed lust for ladies.

But the sages recognized Him – and surrendered totally to Him.

Mahabharatha shows the failures – of Pandavas in Nivrutti.

Even Dharma Raja, a leader in Pravtutti – could not succeed.

The places of failure are also important – to know for avoiding.

These three epics are – the laboratory – manuals after theory.

[Guruvani 0]

 

God is unknowable

Then why attach a title or a name?

Why do we say "God".

 

If God can't make himself knowable then he is not God.

 

Can can do anything.

He can make himself knowable if he wants to.

 

God has infinite capacity and abililty.

He can make himself known to a fish in the sea if he so chooses.

That is why we call him "God".

 

God is not knowable through personal efforts.

God is knowable if he chooses to be known.

 

God has made himself known to many servants and devotees.

 

If he couldn't reveal himself to anyone then he does not have the powers of God.

[Guruvani 0]

 

Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 7.30

 

sādhibhūtādhidaivaḿ māḿ

sādhiyajñaḿ ca ye viduḥ

prayāṇa-kāle 'pi ca māḿ

te vidur yukta-cetasaḥ

 

SYNONYMS

sa-adhibhūta — and the governing principle of the material manifestation; adhidaivam — governing all the demigods; mām — Me; sa-adhiyajñam — and governing all sacrifices; ca — also; ye — those who; viduḥ — know; prayāṇa — of death; kāle — at the time; api — even; ca — and; mām — Me; te — they; viduḥ — know; yukta-cetasaḥ — their minds engaged in Me.

 

 

TRANSLATION

Those in full consciousness of Me, who know Me, the Supreme Lord, to be the governing principle of the material manifestation, of the demigods, and of all methods of sacrifice, can understand and know Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, even at the time of death.

 

 

Krishna says that his devotees can know God.

[dattaswami 0]

 

Then why attach a title or a name?

Why do we say "God".

 

If God can't make himself knowable then he is not God.

 

Can can do anything.

He can make himself knowable if he wants to.

 

God has infinite capacity and abililty.

He can make himself known to a fish in the sea if he so chooses.

That is why we call him "God".

 

God is not knowable through personal efforts.

God is knowable if he chooses to be known.

 

God has made himself known to many servants and devotees.

 

If he couldn't reveal himself to anyone then he does not have the powers of God.

 

The unimaginable God is beyond the four-dimensional model of space and time. You can imagine the dissolution of matter converting into energy filling the space. Subsequently you can imagine the disappearance of energy in the space and the result is final vacuum. But, even if you try for your lifetime, you can never imagine the disappearance of vacuum.

God being the generator of space is beyond space and therefore, can never be imagined. If you have to imagine God, the pre-requisite is the imagination of disappearance of space or vacuum. Of course space is a form of very fine energy and in this context the word energy used by Me can be taken as crude form of energy. The only knowledge about God is that He is beyond the knowledge (Yasyaamatam… Veda).

 

 

But such unimaginable, absolute God comes in human form to give His presence to us, and He is known as Human Incarnation.

 

Lord is substratum of the whole creation and hence forms base. Without Him creation cannot sustain. Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one's deeds.

Creation is in Lord but Lord is not the creation. But such a Lord can enter creation at the request of devotees who wants Him only and His service. He comes down to give four fortunes to His devotees (to talk, to touch, co-living and to serve).

[dattaswami 0]

The human incarnation is human being – charged by God

Veda says that space came – from the soul, Atman,

Then, the process of creation – is explained in sequence.

At the end, the soul, Purusha – is said to be generated.

Atman and purusha are same – but there must be difference.

Otherwise the first cause cannot be – the last product.

The similarity is that Atman or Purusha – means human being.

The difference is that Atman – is human incarnation,

Purusha is the ordinary – human being in the world.

Externally both look like – the same human being.

Internally also, you will find – the same three bodies

In both the human being – and also in human incarnation.

Gross, subtle and causal bodies – constitute both.

But in human incarnation – exists the extra fourth item

Called as unimaginable God, – who is invisible by any means.

Not only invisible but also – unimaginable to intelligence.

The reason is that God is – beyond three spatial dimensions.

It means God is beyond – three-dimensional space.

Space is invisible energy, – even ancient logic says that

Space is made of atoms, – atoms mean quantized units.

Bending of space around object – proves that space is energy.

The human incarnation is human being – charged by God.

Since God is invisible – there is no visible difference between

The human incarnation and – the ordinary human being.

You may say that why the word – Atman is used here?

Instead, the word Brahman – or God could have been used.

The reason for this is – very clear, if you are not jealous.

The only address of God – for the human beings in this world

Being the human incarnation, – that alone was given here.

This means that <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> – generated the space, first.

Here <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> indicates God – charging that specific human body.

You cannot mention single name – like <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> or Rama

Because there are several – human incarnations on earth.

But every human incarnation – is a human being visibly.

Hence, the word soul or Atman – is used here in general.

Remember, in Sanskrit, Atman – stands for human body also.

The inert energy produced by oxidation of food is the awareness

Awareness is only the name of – a specific type of work

Like walking, talking, eating etc., - work is a form of energy.

The original form of energy – is converted into specific work.

Specification of work depends – on specification of system.

Electricity is the form of energy – the same is converted into

Different types of works – in corresponding specific machines.

Same electricity in grinder – is converted in to grinding work.

Same in a drilling machine – is converted in to drilling work.

Similarly, the inert energy – produced in the form of heat

By oxidation of food due to – interaction with the oxygen,

Gets converted into awareness – in nervous system-machine.

Awareness means knowledge – it is the process of knowing,

Knowing means a type of work – work is not independent item.

It depends on the working element – and the working machine.

The working element here is – the inert energy liberated,

The working machine here is – the nervous system.

If a small electric shock is given – nervous system stops

Functioning any more, – the work is also stopped at once.

In deep sleep also – nervous system rests and no work.

When one awakes from deep sleep – the work starts again.

Work is property of inert energy – knowledge is property of awareness.

Awareness is also property – of inert energy vanishing in deep sleep.

Inert energy remains – without exhibiting knowledge and awareness.

Hence, this inert energy is called as – Nirgunam or quality less.

Awareness or knowledge is only – a quality or a property only.

Sattvam is knowledge – sattvam is a quality and not entity.

The entity here is inert energy – that remains in deep sleep.

Even the inert energy is dynamism – or oscillation of intensity,

It is propagation of waves, – it is again called as Rajas.

Rajas is also a quality only, – its inertia is called as Tamas.

Tamas is again a quality only, – the soul or inert energy

In cosmic magnification is called as – the primordial energy

Or Mula Maya or Mula Prakruti, – it is also a property only.

Property is dependable – entity is independent substratum.

Blue color is a property – the flower is the entity or dravya.

If the flower is bleached – it looses its blue color,

It became Nirgunam or – attribute less relatively

With respect to blue color – the flower is not absolutely

Nirgurnam to be called as God, – similarly inert energy or soul

Lost its property of awareness – in deep sleep, became Nirgunam

Relatively and so it is not – absolute Nirgunam or God.

Final entity is God only, – the ultimate substratum of creation.

The first creation is – this primordial energy or space, Akassha.

Ultimate Nirgunam finally stands – for ultimate God only.

But Nirgunam can also be used – relatively to created items.

Radio is on a table – the table is finally standing on earth.

Earth is the ultimate support – but table is also relatively,

A support with respect to – the radio standing on it.

Similarly, the inert energy – is called as Nirgunam relatively.

The inert energy is entity – relatively with respect to awareness.

Awareness is entity relatively – with respect to knowledge.

The relative Nirgunam is not – the absolute Nirgunam, the God.

Table is relative support – it is not absolute support, the earth.

Space, invisible energy – appearing as vacuum or Shunyam,

Generates visible energy or Agni – and matter in three states.

Finally space generates – awareness, a special typical work.

Mula Maya or space gives – matter, visible energy and awareness.

These three are Maha Maya, – the conversion of Mula Maya

Into Maha maya is apparent – from the view of Mula Maya.

From the view of Maha Maya – conversion is real.

Apparent conversion is Vivarta – real conversion is Parinama.

If you see mud in the pot – conversion is apparent,

If you see the pot only – conversion is real.

Vivarta says that no pot exists – without the mud.

Parinama says that pot brings water – but not the mud.

Both are simultaneous truths – with respect to cause and effect.

There is no difference between – Shankara and Ramanuja,

Shankara is for Vivarta – Ramanuja is for Parinama.

But the main point here is – conversion is limited here

Between Mula Maya and Maha Maya – God is not here.

Generation of Mula Maya – from God is not the topic.

The evolution of Mula Maya – from God is unimaginable.

Mula Maya is imaginable – but God is unimaginable.

The production of imaginable – from unimaginable

Does not exist anywhere – in this imaginable creation.

Only conversion of imaginable – into imaginable is known.

As Mula Maya generates Maha Maya – Maha Maya gives Maya.

Matter gives forms; Agni gives qualities – like colors etc.,

Awareness gives feelings – like knowledge, love etc.,

Mula Maya With respect to God – Maha Maya w.r.t. Mula Maya,

Maya w.r.t. Maha Maya is Mithya, – Mithya is relatively real.

Entire creation is Maya, – Maha Maya and Mula Maya.

The soul is in Maha Maya, – for soul Maya is Mithya.

For God entire creation – is Mithya, not for the soul.

The dream is Maya only – it is Mithya for the soul.

But the creation is not – Maya alone to be Mithya

For the soul, – creation is dream for God only.

For the soul Maya in creation – is like the dream.

Forms, qualities and feelings – constitute Maya in creation.

When Shankara says that – the creation is Mithya

For the soul, the creation – is confined to Maya only.

Only the forms, qualities and feelings – are Mithya for soul.

Primordial energy, - matter, visible energy and awareness

Are Mithya for God only, – dream of the soul is a simile

For the creation of God, – simile is only a simile, after all.

Concept is creation of God, – simile is dream of soul.

Through the simile – concept must be understood clearly.

Simile should not be taken – as the very concept itself.

The soul can enjoy the Maya part – of this creation as dream.

But the soul should not treat – the other two parts as dream.

For example take a girl, – the beautiful form of her body,

The shining color of energy, - and her love, the feeling,

All the three are Mithya – relative realities only for you

With respect to her matter, – her energy and her awareness.

You should not be trapped by – the Mithya part of the girl.

But one should not think that – total girl herself is Mithya.

The matter and energy of her body – and her awareness

Are not Mithya, they are real – equal to your self.

If you say that the girl is Mithya – you are also Mithya.

Yourself and girl are Mithya – for the primordial energy.

Both of you are Maha Maya – and Mithya for Mula Maya.

Mula Maya is Mithya for God – both of you are also Mithya

For God, who alone can create – Mula Maya or the space.

A liberated soul blessed with – super powers from God

Stands in the plane of Mula Maya, – Maha Maya is Mithya

For him only, even he cannot – create the Mula Maya.

The creator of Mula Maya is – God alone, God alone is

The creator, Ruler and destroyer – of Mula Maya of creation.

As God enjoys with relatively real – creation like a dream,

You can enjoy the Maya part – of this creation as a dream.

For God entire creation is cinema, – for you Maya alone is

A similar cinema, Maya is cinema – in this creation-cinema.

You are a part of cinema for God, – Maya is cinema for you.

In a drama, roles are forms, – colors are visible qualities,

Actions are feelings, all these three – are Mithya for you.

But the stage, actors and lights – are not Mithya for you.

With super powers you can control – Maha Maya as Mithya.

But you cannot generate – the very Mula Maya or space.

The energy liberated from – the fission of an atom can

Destroy the total awareness – existing in all the humanity!

You are a part of Maha Maya – controlled by Mula Maya.

You cannot create even an atom – how can you be God?

Advaitin says that awareness – is converted in to dream.

The dream consists of living – and non-living objects together.

He takes this similarity into – this entire creation and says that

Since creation consists of – both living and non-living items,

The cause of the universe – must be also the same awareness.

Hence, he concludes that – soul is the common awareness.

But the dream is not the actual – creation in anyway.

There is similarity but both differ – in degree of reality.

A pin and a hill differ quantitatively – but reality is same.

A hill in the dream and - a pin in the world differ in reality.

After the state of dream – deep sleep results everywhere.

The awareness is converted into – the inert energy.

Similarly when the creation – is fully destroyed,

The inert primordial energy – results like in the deep sleep.

Even the souls are converted – into inert impressions.

When the cinema is put off – the cinema remains as film.

The film is static impressions – on the inert substratum.

Similarly after the final dissolution – souls are also fixed

As inert impressions in the – film of primordial energy.

It is a static impression of – the entire creation called as

Avyaktam, which means that – it is not displayed as show.

When the awareness disappears – in the final dissolution,

How can you say that awareness is – the final substratum?

The activities of living and non-living – are static here.

The activity or work of living being – is awareness.

This primordial inert energy – as a static film stands

Based on the final substratum – which is the God.

The inert energy in deep sleep – is also a static film

Carrying on various feelings – as static impressions.

It is a microstate representing – the final dissolution.

The inert energy in deep sleep, - the static microfilm

Is also based on God only – and not on individual awareness,

Which already disappeared – in deep sleep.

You are rising from deep sleep – only by will of God and not

By the will of your soul or – the awareness that disappeared.

Similarly the macro film of – this entire cosmos after

The final dissolution, called as – static primordial energy

Rises to become active as cinema – by the will of God only.

Since God wishes, – immediately you conclude Him

As awareness, applying logic – derived from worldly examples.

God is omni potent and hence – can do anything above logic.

Veda says that God eats every thing, – this does not mean

That God is fire called as - eater of every thing, Sarvabhakshaka.

Brahma Sutra explains this – “Attaa Chaaracharagrahanat”.

God burns every thing - in final dissolution, but not fire.

Veda says, “God walks without legs, – catches without hands”.

This means that God can wish – without being awareness.

Brahma Sutra says “ Due to wish – not primordial energy”.

This means, since – primordial energy cannot wish, being

Inert, it is not the ultimate God, – this does not mean that

God is awareness since God wishes, – “God is not inert”

Does not mean that God is awareness, – you are not Rama,

This does not mean that – you are Lakshmana.

You are neither Rama nor Lakshmana – God is beyond both.

God is neither inert nor awareness, – He is unimaginable.

Mula Maya or primordial energy – has only one defect,

That is, it cannot wish being inert, – awareness has defects

More than hundred, very easy to – deny it, Vyasa wrote

One sutra only to deny Mula Maya, – but he wrote several

To deny awareness in body – “Anupapattestu….” etc.

Awareness is available only – in a living body,

Continuous awareness – is only assumption, not practical.

Matter, visible energy like light – and awareness dissolve

In Mula Maya, when Mula Maya – is rejected to be God,

Not to speak of awareness – which already dissolved.