Are Swaminarayans true Vaishnavas?

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Are they considered apart of the Vaishnava sect of Hinduism. Is Swaminarayan considered an avatar of Sri Krishna? Is he supreme?

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Apparently not.

 

 

Are they considered apart of the Vaishnava sect of Hinduism. Is Swaminarayan considered an avatar of Sri Krishna? Is he supreme?

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Are they considered apart of the Vaishnava sect of Hinduism. Is Swaminarayan considered an avatar of Sri Krishna? Is he supreme?

 

They believe Swaminarayan is the source of krishna and therefore supreme.

 

About acceptance from other sections of Hinduism, no such concept exists. No branch will accept any other branch as valid.

 

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thanks

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They believe Swaminarayan is the source of krishna and therefore supreme.

 

About acceptance from other sections of Hinduism, no such concept exists. No branch will accept any other branch as valid.

 

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thanx for the reply

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Yes we followers of Bhagwan Swaminarayan are Vaishnavs.

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what philosophy does BAPS fall under? Is it the same as Sree Swaminarayan samprdaya?

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no they follow a philosophy which shri Ramanauj Acharya doesnt reccomend in his Bhashya. The Akshar Purshottam Sanstha.

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no they follow a philosophy which shri Ramanauj Acharya doesnt reccomend in his Bhashya. The Akshar Purshottam Sanstha.

baps isn't apart of the SWAMINARAYAN SAMPRADAYA! The are a cultish offshot, of the true sect.

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no they follow a philosophy which shri Ramanauj Acharya doesnt reccomend in his Bhashya. The Akshar Purshottam Sanstha.

 

Ramanauj Acharya established Vishishtadvait which had three entities in it i.e., Jiva, Maya and Ishwara whereas Lord Swaminarayan's Philosophy of NavyaVishishtadvait upholds five eternal entities i.e., Jiva, Ishwara, Maya, Brahman, ParaBrahman. He was a Learned Scholar aswell, He cleared the doubts of Scholars in Kashi in a Shaastrath regarding NavyaVishishtadvait. For More explaination visit BapsdotOrg.

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baps isn't apart of the SWAMINARAYAN SAMPRADAYA! The are a cultish offshot, of the true sect.

 

What makes you say that the BAPS is not Swaminarayan Sampraday?????

Out of all the Organisations BAPS sadhus are the ones who follow every aagna of Lord Swaminarayan, They are the only ones practising Ashtang Brahmacharya. Look at the work BAPS is doing, 775 sadhus with proper detachment to women and wealth, the activities, the Mandirs and more over the GURU HDH Pramukh Swami Maharaj. Try and find one Sadhu Like Pramukh Swami Maharaj in the World today. This shows the presence of Shreeji Maharaj here.

 

BAPS IS A PROPER SWAMINARAYAN SAMPRADAY

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I ask here because nobody answered at the proper place. Sure we must do namasmarana all the time. But how are we to mentally recite God's name within stench, when there is bad smell around, or when we are defecating etc. in the toilet with bad smell coming out? At such times, is it OK to mentally recite God's name? If it is OK, which mantra should we mentally repeat in such circumstances of letting out impurities?

Thank you in anticipation.

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What makes you say that the BAPS is not Swaminarayan Sampraday?????

Out of all the Organisations BAPS sadhus are the ones who follow every aagna of Lord Swaminarayan, They are the only ones practising Ashtang Brahmacharya. Look at the work BAPS is doing, 775 sadhus with proper detachment to women and wealth, the activities, the Mandirs and more over the GURU HDH Pramukh Swami Maharaj. Try and find one Sadhu Like Pramukh Swami Maharaj in the World today. This shows the presence of Shreeji Maharaj here.

 

BAPS IS A PROPER SWAMINARAYAN SAMPRADAY

 

What a foolish biased statement. BAPS own followers state that they are not teh Swaminarayan Sampraday. They are BAPS. An offshoot. Have you done samagam of other santos of the Sampraday that Bhagwan sWAMINARAYAN hIMSELF ESTABLSHED? Such as Bhuj santo? They talk with God everyday.

 

Nor do they break one single commandment of Bhagwan. Nor set up their own Upasnas. Nor change the artis etc. Nor build temples close to the ones Bhagwan already had built Himself. The Pratyaksh Murtis of Himself are in these very Murtis. They communicate with Bhakts every single day.

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What a foolish biased statement. BAPS own followers state that they are not teh Swaminarayan Sampraday. They are BAPS. An offshoot. Have you done samagam of other santos of the Sampraday that Bhagwan sWAMINARAYAN hIMSELF ESTABLSHED? Such as Bhuj santo? They talk with God everyday.

 

Nor do they break one single commandment of Bhagwan. Nor set up their own Upasnas. Nor change the artis etc. Nor build temples close to the ones Bhagwan already had built Himself. The Pratyaksh Murtis of Himself are in these very Murtis. They communicate with Bhakts every single day.

 

My previous post was to answer a post in which it was said that BAPS is Vimikh. BAPS didn't set up its own upasana, Read Loya12, Vadtal 5 where maharaj says the mahima of Uttam Bhakta and in Madhya 25 he says that only with the samagam of such sant our inner vasana can be destroyed. In vadtal 11 Maharaj says that If Bhagwan is not pragat on earth then one should either take the refuge of "SADHU" who has met god or if no such sadhu is present then take the refuge of the Murti. No where in Vachanamrut did maharaj say that Acharya is the door to Liberation.

 

In Vachanamrut Gad I-1 Maharaj uses the phrase "Dharmakul na Asshrit Bhakt......" This Vachanamrut was stated on Samvat 1876 Maghshar Sud 4 and the Acharyas were given the Gadi on Samvat 1882 Karthik Sud 11. Acharyas were not even there during this vachanamrut. So here Dharmakul na aashrit means the son of Dharma and Bhakti i.e., Maharaj himself. Raghuvansh no Aashrit doesnt mean aashrit of every one in Raghuvansh, It is understandable that only Raam Bhagwaan. Similarly Dharmakul na Aashrit means the refuge of Maharaj. Look at all the avatars of Bhagwaan, You wont find mandirs of Lav and Kush whereas you will find many mandirs of Hanuman. Same with Krishna Bhagwan's Avatar.

 

The Upasana of Akshar Purushottam is not new, It has always been in existance. Sadguru Balmukund Swami didnt belong to BAPS, he installed some 'pat ni murtis' (the painting version) of Akshar purushottam. Look at the Junagadh Mandir, the Sabha Gruh, the Bhandar has Akshar Purushottam murtis. Jetpur Swaminarayan Mandir, Panchala Swaminarayan Mandir, Faneni Swaminarayan Mandir, Mendarda, Vekri, Kaalsari, Bhundari, Rajkot,Verawad, Manavadar and Gondal Swaminarayan Mandirs, all under the Jurisdiction of Acharya has Akshar Purushottam paintings installed.

Akhandanand Muni has written kirtans about maharaj being present in Gunatitanand Swami, He didnt bleong to BAPS either. Nishkulanand Swami has said "Sant te Svayam Hari..". If you read the Jeevan Charitra of Bhagwaan Swaminarayan, Maharaj has said the glory of Gunatitanand Swami so many times to the Paramhansas.

 

Shastriji Maharaj's Guru Vignanand Swami, Adbhutananad Swami had confirmed abt this point that Gunatitanand Swami is Mul Akshar. Acharya Viharilalji Maharaj Clearly states in Kirtan Kaustubhmala that Gunatitanand Swami as"Akshar Murti Gunatitanand Swami, Tene Aapya Vartman...."

 

So Aksharpurushottam Upasana is not a made up thing by BAPS. Shastriji Maharaj only wanted to continue Maharaj's work for which he came on to this earth. "Aksharroop thai Purushottam ni Bhakti Karvi" Whats wrong with that. This point was uacceptable by Vadtal, They couldnt accept Gunatitanand Swami to be his Uttam Bhakt. If Brahman and ParaBrahman are the only entities above Maya then ofcourse Brahman is the Uttam Bhakt of ParaBrahman. There is no body in the nand santo to be called as Akshar Brahman as most of them knew that it was Gunatitanand Swami. If Gunatitanand Swami is Akshar and Maharaj is ParaBrahman then whats wrong if we install Gunatitanand Swami along with Maharaj. If RadhaKrishna, NaraNarayan, LaxmiNarayan can be installed then why not AksharPurushottam. We all believe Lord Swaminarayan to be our isht Bhagwan, Our dhaam is Akshardhaam, Our Mantra is "SWAMINARAYAN", We have to become Brahmanised - then why not do the Upasana of just our God, Lord Swaminarayan and try to become like his Uttam Bhakt Akshar. That is what is BAPS doing.

 

It was Maharaj's sankalp to build a Mandir in Bochasan(Gives a word to Kashidas Botad), Gadhada on mountain(Jiva Khachar doesnt give the Land), Sarangpur(Does the Khaat Muhurat with Manki). If Shastriji Maharaj wanted to compete with Acharays then he would have built a mandir in front of Vadtal. But he didnt do such a thing because he didn't leave Vadtal for competing with anyone but only for the Siddhant.

 

About the GuruParampara in BAPS, Gurus are not selected or voted. It is the Gunatit satpurush, He will remain on earth until Mahraj's Karya is done. The concept that Maharaj is ever present in satsang through the Sant (Gad I-27) is clear here. The Qualities of the guru reflect the presence of Bhagwan with in him. No body knew what was gonna happen after Yogiji Maharaj left, But when Pramukh Swami came as Guru, his vartan, his Sadhuta, his devotion made the HariBhaktos believe him to be Gunatit. Never in his life did Pramukh Swami take any credit of his hardwork, always pointed towards Maharaj. Because Maharaj is working through him, so many of them are getting strength to follow niyams.

 

As you said to look at the Saints established By Maharaj himself, None of them are present today. Some of the saints might have good Sadhuta in vadtal but show me a Sant as described by Maharaj in Vachanamrut - Gadhada I-27 present today who has Maharaj residing in every Indriya and that maharaj walks, eats.. through him. Show me a Sadhu other than Pramukh Swami Maharaj referring to Vachanamrut Vadtal 11. Every Lakshan of Bahktachintamani first Prakran suits Pramukh Swami maharaj.

 

"Eva Sant Sada shubh mati, Jakt dosh nahi jema rati,

Maan abhimaan nahi lesh, Eva Sant ne naamu hu Shish......"

 

If we want to become nirvasnik we have to find such a Satpurush. Acharya is to be respected as it is Maharaj's Family. If there would have been any other purush on this earth other than Pramukh Swami Maharaj, who could help me attain Atyantik Moksh then I would be his discple the next second. Here in BAPS through Pramukh Swami we get the Labh of Pragat Bhagwan.

 

Even if one is able to talk to Maharaj, Can he make others Brahmroop???

But AksharBrahman can and that is Pramukh Swami Maharaj. Maharaj has clearly stated in Vachanamrut that " Jevo hu Akshar Ma rahu chu evo Bija ma rehto nathi.."

 

So BAPS Upasana is no different from Maharaj's Siddhant. Moksh nu Dwar is Satpurush and Pramukh Swami is not trying to compete with anyone in Building Mandirs.

 

Jai Swaminarayan

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You state foolish things. Read the very first Vachnamrut:

 

Thereafter, asked Muktanand Swami, ‘A devotee of God, when released from his body composed of Panchbhuta12, What form of body does he assume in the divine abode of God ?’’ Shriji Maharaj said : ‘‘One who has sought refuge in Dharmakul13, when released from his body composed of the Panchbhuta, assumes by the desire of the God, a divine body which is called Brahmamay. His such soul, is transmigrated to the abode of the God by various divine carriers, viz. the eagle, the chariot or the Viman’’. The Yogi’s12 in Samadhi14, see them being so transmigrated by such divine carriers.

 

Secondly I have stated many times before. We have santos as our gurus. For example my Guru is A sant of Bhuj Mandir under Nar Narayan Dev. He goes in deep dhyaan and has never done vachan droh of Bhagwan Swaminarayan. So we know how to destroy Vasna through guru. Truth is that we still have to be under the refuge of the Dharmkul. Also the Purshottam Prakash clearly stated that Nishkulanand Swami himself heard that Bhagwan had clearly stated that the Acharya is the 4th door to Akshardhaam.

 

Oh so now you agree that the Acharyas were established as before you were stating that the Vachnamrut doesn’t record the incident when Bhagwan established the Acharyas. Dhamrkul means the family of Dharm. Dharmnanadan or Bhaktinanandan means son of Dharm. Do you think Maharaj had not decided that the Acharyas would be placed on the throne. See what I mean your philosophy opposes the Acharyas. Why is it that Gunatitanand Swami never went against the Acharays and you come out with such? You haven’t answered to the reference I provided as well. If you read the Swaminarayan Sahita and Nishkulanand Kavya it clearly states that Bhagwan had decided to establish Murtis, Sant, Acharya and Shastra from Akshardhaam. Truth is that you don’t want to realise this for some reason. It’s as though you have been brain washed. Also read about the Vachnamrut of how the Parampara should be known as well. You just want to cherry pick what your philosophy allows and the rest you seem to discard

 

None of the Mandirs you have stated have Akshar Purshottm pained within them. You are completely wrong. The bAPS ones will have but the ones under the Vadtal desh do not have such. Also BAlmukund Swami never made any pictures at all depicting Gunatitanand Swami as Akshar. Which scriptures has Bhagwan talked about Gunatitanand Swami being Akshar? Is it in the Vachnamrut. No where is it stated.

 

Brahman and Parbrahman are above Maya well the Mukts are to above Maya yet they shouldn’t be worshipped as only PArbrahman are alone worty of worship alone. Have you read Aksharjivan Swamis work? Have you read Ramanuj Acharyas shri bashya? Radha Krishna, Nar Narayan Dev the yare all Bhagwan. One isn’t a bhakt and the other Bhagwan you fool. Radha is the Same Shri Krishna in two swaropps. Same with Nar Narayan. If Akshar and Purshottam could be worshipped together then Bhagwan would have doem this himself. Akshar Mukt nor Akshar Himself can be worshipped with God. ShrijinMaharaj has never shown this path to any Nand Sant.

 

Which scriptures states the Gunatit Parampara? Maharaj is gives His samarthi through a saint this doesn’t make the saint Bhagwan. We also know that much. Just ecause a siant doesn’t take credit for hat he did doesn’t make him true. Also you are telling me to look at a saint present in every Indriya. Well I say Shri Haridas swami, Ramswarop dasji swami, Balkrushna dasji Swami, Keshavprasad dasji swami, Patitpavan dasji swami, HArijibvandasji swami!!! There you go. There is many more in that list. Maybe you shuld go see for yourself. They haven’t changed one word of the Upasna and vachan. They have carried on what the yhave done sinche Nand Santos time. Its obvious you will be bias against your guru.

 

 

Listen my friend you have some kind of funny thinking where you think that we have acharyas as our gyaan gurus. Acharays do not make us nirvasnik we know this.But it is a muct in the Swmainarayan Samopraday that we have there refuge. WE HAVE SANTO T OMAKE US NIRVASNIK. YOU FEEL THAT WE DO THIS TRHOUGH THE ACHARYA. . Change your way of thinking. Where does Bhagwan state “ Jevo hu Akshar ma rehvu chu”? Which VAch is this?

 

Also Pramukh Swami is doing VAchan droh and guru Droh. Read the desh Vibhaag no lekh written in the presence of Swaminarayan Bhagwan by Shuk Muni!!

 

Jai Swaminarayan