mohankrishna 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2007 Hare Krsna! In chapter 8, verse 16 Krsna says ābrahma-bhuvanāl lokāḥ punar āvartino 'rjuna mām upetya tu kaunteya punar janma na vidyate From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kuntī, never takes birth again. Does anyone know why Jaya & Vijaya do take birth again in the material world? It appears to contradict what krsna says. Hare Krishna Mohn-krsna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mohankrishna 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2007 With humility I ask this question. Not as a gesture of challenge! Sorry, for it may appear this way. Hare Krsna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhaktatraveler 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2007 With humility I ask this question. Not as a gesture of challenge!Sorry, for it may appear this way. Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Mohonkrsna Do you read Srila Prabhupada's SB? The story is in the thrid canto ch 16 and a very nice read. CBR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mohankrishna 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2007 Hare Krsna Mohonkrsna Do you read Srila Prabhupada's SB? The story is in the thrid canto ch 16 and a very nice read. CBR Thank you! I'll get on it right away. I read occasionally. Hare Krsna Mohn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radhagovind 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2007 Hare Krsna! In chapter 8, verse 16 Krsna says ābrahma-bhuvanāl lokāḥ punar āvartino 'rjuna mām upetya tu kaunteya punar janma na vidyate From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kuntī, never takes birth again. Does anyone know why Jaya & Vijaya do take birth again in the material world? It appears to contradict what krsna says. Hare Krishna Mohn-krsna In the vishnupuran, it is stated that there are 4 or 5 muni that wanted to visit shri vishnu in vaikunth. But since jay and vijay were preventing them, those muni gave both of them a curse which was they would have to be born on earth 3 times. 1) as Hiranyakashyap and Hiranyakashyapu 2) ravan and kumbhkaran and 3) kans and shishupal. And in all 3 births, Narayan would kill them and grant them liberation. this happened because jay and vijaya had arrogance due to their position of being guards at vaikunth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murali_Mohan_das 0 Report post Posted April 18, 2007 In the vishnupuran, it is stated that there are 4 or 5 muni that wanted to visit shri vishnu in vaikunth. But since jay and vijay were preventing them, those muni gave both of them a curse which was they would have to be born on earth 3 times. 1) as Hiranyakashyap and Hiranyakashyapu 2) ravan and kumbhkaran and 3) kans and shishupal. And in all 3 births, Narayan would kill them and grant them liberation. this happened because jay and vijaya had arrogance due to their position of being guards at vaikunth. If memory serves, Jaya and Vijaya had a choice in their punishment. They could take X (where X is much larger than 3) number of births as the devotee of the Lord, or the 3 births as demons. For Jaya and Viyaja, it was a no-brainer. They wanted to serve their pennance and return to Vaikuntha as quickly as possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2007 If memory serves, Jaya and Vijaya had a choice in their punishment. They could take X (where X is much larger than 3) number of births as the devotee of the Lord, or the 3 births as demons. For Jaya and Viyaja, it was a no-brainer. They wanted to serve their pennance and return to Vaikuntha as quickly as possible. Jaya and vijay were gatekeepers of vishnuloka. After they were cursed the choice was given that they will either take seven birth as devotee of god or they will take three birth as demons. After this they will get freedom and here they have taken the second choice. It is biporith bhakti. I think lord krishna talked about goloka dham from where jiva will not fall down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
