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Dear Bhaskar,Wendy & all members,

Parashar said that

" KARKO BHAV NASHAY "

could you please tell me logical explanation for this ???

what are necessary & sufficient conditions for applying this rule.

NANAVATI

 

 

 

VIJENDRA NANAVATI, DIRECTOR (POWER), NARMADA CONTROL AUTHORITY

MoWR,Govt.of India,E-4, NARMADA COLONY,Sch # 78 , INDORE

 

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Dear Nanavatiji,

 

All Planets signify certain houses, and become Natural Karakas

for them. For example Jupiter 5th, Mars 3rd, Venus 7th etc.

 

In the dictum "KARAKA BHAVA NASHAYA", the general principle involved

here is that if a planet is placed in the house which it signifies,

then it destroys the significations of that house. ie.Bhava Nasha

by the Karaka sitting there.

 

However there are only two exceptions to the above rule-

 

1) Saturn in the eight house, instead of destroying longevity,

actually enhances it in certain cases.

 

2) Ketu as the Karaka/Significator of Moksha is actually helpful if

placed in the twelfth house, But this of course is applicable only in

the cases of highly evolved souls who have reached that stage.

 

What is the logic for above, will have to be searched for

in the texts. At the same time we should not apply the rule above,

just immediately when we see the planet so placed in a Bhava.

Cause many times Jupiter in 5th has been able to allow native to

produce children too, therefore

keeping the Karaka Bhava Nasha in mind, if we notice such

a placement in any house, then we should check the aspects on the

house and also the deposit of the lord of that house plus

conjunctions if any and also the Natural Planet for that House

as per the Kalapurush Kundli.

 

Thus in anyones chart if I find Jupiter in the 5th house, I would

straight away never say that he must not be having any child.I would

check the aspects on Jupiter, the sign Lord where it is placed-

condition,conjunctions if any, what aspects and from whom Jupiter is

receiving by being seated in the 5th, Constellation in which Jupiter

is placed. behaviour of Jupiter towards the sign Lord where its

placed, Navamsha position too.The Natural House in the natural chart

in the 5th would be leo, so I would check the position of Sun too

which is actually the known and visible Creator and sustainer for us

all ( Vishnu- Surya Narayan )If all suggest to Malefic pointers, then

I can conclude that no child, otherwise we have to be cautious in our

approach before bluttering out such statements to anyone.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

jyotish-vidya, VIJENDRA NANAVATI

<nanavati_45 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,Wendy & all members,

>

> Parashar said that

>

> " KARKO BHAV NASHAY "

>

> could you please tell me logical explanation for this ???

>

> what are necessary & sufficient conditions for applying this rule.

>

> NANAVATI

>

>

>

> VIJENDRA NANAVATI, DIRECTOR (POWER), NARMADA CONTROL AUTHORITY

> MoWR,Govt.of India,E-4, NARMADA COLONY,Sch # 78 , INDORE

>

> 452 010 (M.P.), INDIA

>

> PHONE :2574019®

>

> 2553783,2575766,2552703 (O)

>

> 98272 24520

>

> 9300837810

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Check out the all-new Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful

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Dear Bhaskar,

Thanx.

When we talk about certain principle than we generally donot put so many

conditions..

I think when we examine a chart putting all these condition than to predict

FALIT this principle do not have any weightage without this principle putting

all these condition we will come to same conclusion.

I request u to kindly find out logical explanation in present context.

regard.

nanavati

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Nanavatiji,

 

All Planets signify certain houses, and become Natural Karakas

for them. For example Jupiter 5th, Mars 3rd, Venus 7th etc.

 

In the dictum "KARAKA BHAVA NASHAYA", the general principle involved

here is that if a planet is placed in the house which it signifies,

then it destroys the significations of that house. ie.Bhava Nasha

by the Karaka sitting there.

 

However there are only two exceptions to the above rule-

 

1) Saturn in the eight house, instead of destroying longevity,

actually enhances it in certain cases.

 

2) Ketu as the Karaka/Significator of Moksha is actually helpful if

placed in the twelfth house, But this of course is applicable only in

the cases of highly evolved souls who have reached that stage.

 

What is the logic for above, will have to be searched for

in the texts. At the same time we should not apply the rule above,

just immediately when we see the planet so placed in a Bhava.

Cause many times Jupiter in 5th has been able to allow native to

produce children too, therefore

keeping the Karaka Bhava Nasha in mind, if we notice such

a placement in any house, then we should check the aspects on the

house and also the deposit of the lord of that house plus

conjunctions if any and also the Natural Planet for that House

as per the Kalapurush Kundli.

 

Thus in anyones chart if I find Jupiter in the 5th house, I would

straight away never say that he must not be having any child.I would

check the aspects on Jupiter, the sign Lord where it is placed-

condition,conjunctions if any, what aspects and from whom Jupiter is

receiving by being seated in the 5th, Constellation in which Jupiter

is placed. behaviour of Jupiter towards the sign Lord where its

placed, Navamsha position too.The Natural House in the natural chart

in the 5th would be leo, so I would check the position of Sun too

which is actually the known and visible Creator and sustainer for us

all ( Vishnu- Surya Narayan )If all suggest to Malefic pointers, then

I can conclude that no child, otherwise we have to be cautious in our

approach before bluttering out such statements to anyone.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

jyotish-vidya, VIJENDRA NANAVATI

<nanavati_45 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,Wendy & all members,

>

> Parashar said that

>

> " KARKO BHAV NASHAY "

>

> could you please tell me logical explanation for this ???

>

> what are necessary & sufficient conditions for applying this rule.

>

> NANAVATI

>

>

>

> VIJENDRA NANAVATI, DIRECTOR (POWER), NARMADA CONTROL AUTHORITY

> MoWR,Govt.of India,E-4, NARMADA COLONY,Sch # 78 , INDORE

>

> 452 010 (M.P.), INDIA

>

> PHONE :2574019®

>

> 2553783,2575766,2552703 (O)

>

> 98272 24520

>

> 9300837810

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Nanavati,

 

To each his own.

You may just use the principle and predict. No one can stop You.

The conditions are mentioned by me and not any texts. They were just

a help and as pointers to judge. It seems my efforts have gone down

the drain.

 

Anyway good luck,

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

jyotish-vidya, VIJENDRA NANAVATI

<nanavati_45 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> Thanx.

>

> When we talk about certain principle than we generally donot put

so many

> conditions..

>

> I think when we examine a chart putting all these condition than

to predict

>

> FALIT this principle do not have any weightage without this

principle putting

> all these condition we will come to same conclusion.

>

> I request u to kindly find out logical explanation in present

context.

>

> regard.

>

> nanavati

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Dear Nanavatiji,

>

> All Planets signify certain houses, and become Natural Karakas

> for them. For example Jupiter 5th, Mars 3rd, Venus 7th etc.

>

> In the dictum "KARAKA BHAVA NASHAYA", the general principle

involved

> here is that if a planet is placed in the house which it signifies,

> then it destroys the significations of that house. ie.Bhava Nasha

> by the Karaka sitting there.

>

> However there are only two exceptions to the above rule-

>

> 1) Saturn in the eight house, instead of destroying longevity,

> actually enhances it in certain cases.

>

> 2) Ketu as the Karaka/Significator of Moksha is actually helpful if

> placed in the twelfth house, But this of course is applicable only

in

> the cases of highly evolved souls who have reached that stage.

>

> What is the logic for above, will have to be searched for

> in the texts. At the same time we should not apply the rule above,

> just immediately when we see the planet so placed in a Bhava.

> Cause many times Jupiter in 5th has been able to allow native to

> produce children too, therefore

> keeping the Karaka Bhava Nasha in mind, if we notice such

> a placement in any house, then we should check the aspects on the

> house and also the deposit of the lord of that house plus

> conjunctions if any and also the Natural Planet for that House

> as per the Kalapurush Kundli.

>

> Thus in anyones chart if I find Jupiter in the 5th house, I would

> straight away never say that he must not be having any child.I

would

> check the aspects on Jupiter, the sign Lord where it is placed-

> condition,conjunctions if any, what aspects and from whom Jupiter

is

> receiving by being seated in the 5th, Constellation in which

Jupiter

> is placed. behaviour of Jupiter towards the sign Lord where its

> placed, Navamsha position too.The Natural House in the natural

chart

> in the 5th would be leo, so I would check the position of Sun too

> which is actually the known and visible Creator and sustainer for

us

> all ( Vishnu- Surya Narayan )If all suggest to Malefic pointers,

then

> I can conclude that no child, otherwise we have to be cautious in

our

> approach before bluttering out such statements to anyone.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya, VIJENDRA NANAVATI

> <nanavati_45@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,Wendy & all members,

> >

> > Parashar said that

> >

> > " KARKO BHAV NASHAY "

> >

> > could you please tell me logical explanation for this ???

> >

> > what are necessary & sufficient conditions for applying this rule.

> >

> > NANAVATI

> >

> >

> >

> > VIJENDRA NANAVATI, DIRECTOR (POWER), NARMADA CONTROL AUTHORITY

> > MoWR,Govt.of India,E-4, NARMADA COLONY,Sch # 78 , INDORE

> >

> > 452 010 (M.P.), INDIA

> >

> > PHONE :2574019®

> >

> > 2553783,2575766,2552703 (O)

> >

> > 98272 24520

> >

> > 9300837810

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Bhaskar,

//It seems my efforts have gone down

the drain.//

not at all...It has given us a basis to discuss.....

Jyotish is such a wide subject that nothing could be concluded in single

statement.

Take it sportly.

I never thoght to hurt U.

NANAVATI

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Nanavati,

 

To each his own.

You may just use the principle and predict. No one can stop You.

The conditions are mentioned by me and not any texts. They were just

a help and as pointers to judge. It seems my efforts have gone down

the drain.

 

Anyway good luck,

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

jyotish-vidya, VIJENDRA NANAVATI

<nanavati_45 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> Thanx.

>

> When we talk about certain principle than we generally donot put

so many

> conditions..

>

> I think when we examine a chart putting all these condition than

to predict

>

> FALIT this principle do not have any weightage without this

principle putting

> all these condition we will come to same conclusion.

>

> I request u to kindly find out logical explanation in present

context.

>

> regard.

>

> nanavati

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Dear Nanavatiji,

>

> All Planets signify certain houses, and become Natural Karakas

> for them. For example Jupiter 5th, Mars 3rd, Venus 7th etc.

>

> In the dictum "KARAKA BHAVA NASHAYA", the general principle

involved

> here is that if a planet is placed in the house which it signifies,

> then it destroys the significations of that house. ie.Bhava Nasha

> by the Karaka sitting there.

>

> However there are only two exceptions to the above rule-

>

> 1) Saturn in the eight house, instead of destroying longevity,

> actually enhances it in certain cases.

>

> 2) Ketu as the Karaka/Significator of Moksha is actually helpful if

> placed in the twelfth house, But this of course is applicable only

in

> the cases of highly evolved souls who have reached that stage.

>

> What is the logic for above, will have to be searched for

> in the texts. At the same time we should not apply the rule above,

> just immediately when we see the planet so placed in a Bhava.

> Cause many times Jupiter in 5th has been able to allow native to

> produce children too, therefore

> keeping the Karaka Bhava Nasha in mind, if we notice such

> a placement in any house, then we should check the aspects on the

> house and also the deposit of the lord of that house plus

> conjunctions if any and also the Natural Planet for that House

> as per the Kalapurush Kundli.

>

> Thus in anyones chart if I find Jupiter in the 5th house, I would

> straight away never say that he must not be having any child.I

would

> check the aspects on Jupiter, the sign Lord where it is placed-

> condition,conjunctions if any, what aspects and from whom Jupiter

is

> receiving by being seated in the 5th, Constellation in which

Jupiter

> is placed. behaviour of Jupiter towards the sign Lord where its

> placed, Navamsha position too.The Natural House in the natural

chart

> in the 5th would be leo, so I would check the position of Sun too

> which is actually the known and visible Creator and sustainer for

us

> all ( Vishnu- Surya Narayan )If all suggest to Malefic pointers,

then

> I can conclude that no child, otherwise we have to be cautious in

our

> approach before bluttering out such statements to anyone.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya, VIJENDRA NANAVATI

> <nanavati_45@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,Wendy & all members,

> >

> > Parashar said that

> >

> > " KARKO BHAV NASHAY "

> >

> > could you please tell me logical explanation for this ???

> >

> > what are necessary & sufficient conditions for applying this rule.

> >

> > NANAVATI

> >

> >

> >

> > VIJENDRA NANAVATI, DIRECTOR (POWER), NARMADA CONTROL AUTHORITY

> > MoWR,Govt.of India,E-4, NARMADA COLONY,Sch # 78 , INDORE

> >

> > 452 010 (M.P.), INDIA

> >

> > PHONE :2574019®

> >

> > 2553783,2575766,2552703 (O)

> >

> > 98272 24520

> >

> > 9300837810

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Check out the all-new Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful

> email and get things done faster.

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Dear Nanavati Bhai,

 

Point Noted. Thank You.

 

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

jyotish-vidya, VIJENDRA NANAVATI

<nanavati_45 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> //It seems my efforts have gone down

> the drain.//

> not at all...It has given us a basis to discuss.....

> Jyotish is such a wide subject that nothing could be concluded in

single

> statement.

> Take it sportly.

>

> I never thoght to hurt U.

>

> NANAVATI

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Dear Nanavati,

>

> To each his own.

> You may just use the principle and predict. No one can stop You.

> The conditions are mentioned by me and not any texts. They were

just

> a help and as pointers to judge. It seems my efforts have gone down

> the drain.

>

> Anyway good luck,

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya, VIJENDRA NANAVATI

> <nanavati_45@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > Thanx.

> >

> > When we talk about certain principle than we generally donot put

> so many

> > conditions..

> >

> > I think when we examine a chart putting all these condition than

> to predict

> >

> > FALIT this principle do not have any weightage without this

> principle putting

> > all these condition we will come to same conclusion.

> >

> > I request u to kindly find out logical explanation in present

> context.

> >

> > regard.

> >

> > nanavati

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > Dear Nanavatiji,

> >

> > All Planets signify certain houses, and become Natural Karakas

> > for them. For example Jupiter 5th, Mars 3rd, Venus 7th etc.

> >

> > In the dictum "KARAKA BHAVA NASHAYA", the general principle

> involved

> > here is that if a planet is placed in the house which it

signifies,

> > then it destroys the significations of that house. ie.Bhava Nasha

> > by the Karaka sitting there.

> >

> > However there are only two exceptions to the above rule-

> >

> > 1) Saturn in the eight house, instead of destroying longevity,

> > actually enhances it in certain cases.

> >

> > 2) Ketu as the Karaka/Significator of Moksha is actually helpful

if

> > placed in the twelfth house, But this of course is applicable

only

> in

> > the cases of highly evolved souls who have reached that stage.

> >

> > What is the logic for above, will have to be searched for

> > in the texts. At the same time we should not apply the rule above,

> > just immediately when we see the planet so placed in a Bhava.

> > Cause many times Jupiter in 5th has been able to allow native to

> > produce children too, therefore

> > keeping the Karaka Bhava Nasha in mind, if we notice such

> > a placement in any house, then we should check the aspects on the

> > house and also the deposit of the lord of that house plus

> > conjunctions if any and also the Natural Planet for that House

> > as per the Kalapurush Kundli.

> >

> > Thus in anyones chart if I find Jupiter in the 5th house, I would

> > straight away never say that he must not be having any child.I

> would

> > check the aspects on Jupiter, the sign Lord where it is placed-

> > condition,conjunctions if any, what aspects and from whom Jupiter

> is

> > receiving by being seated in the 5th, Constellation in which

> Jupiter

> > is placed. behaviour of Jupiter towards the sign Lord where its

> > placed, Navamsha position too.The Natural House in the natural

> chart

> > in the 5th would be leo, so I would check the position of Sun too

> > which is actually the known and visible Creator and sustainer for

> us

> > all ( Vishnu- Surya Narayan )If all suggest to Malefic pointers,

> then

> > I can conclude that no child, otherwise we have to be cautious in

> our

> > approach before bluttering out such statements to anyone.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > jyotish-vidya, VIJENDRA NANAVATI

> > <nanavati_45@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,Wendy & all members,

> > >

> > > Parashar said that

> > >

> > > " KARKO BHAV NASHAY "

> > >

> > > could you please tell me logical explanation for this ???

> > >

> > > what are necessary & sufficient conditions for applying this

rule.

> > >

> > > NANAVATI

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > VIJENDRA NANAVATI, DIRECTOR (POWER), NARMADA CONTROL AUTHORITY

> > > MoWR,Govt.of India,E-4, NARMADA COLONY,Sch # 78 , INDORE

> > >

> > > 452 010 (M.P.), INDIA

> > >

> > > PHONE :2574019®

> > >

> > > 2553783,2575766,2552703 (O)

> > >

> > > 98272 24520

> > >

> > > 9300837810

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Check out the all-new Mail beta - Fire up a more

powerful

> > email and get things done faster.

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Dear Bhaskar,Nanavati and All,

 

//2) Ketu as the Karaka/Significator of Moksha is actually helpful if

placed in the twelfth house,//

 

To the best of my knowledge 'Karka Bhava Nashaya' refers to the natural

karaka (only) of a particular house. As we know, Saturn is the natural

karaka for 12th & 8th, Mars for 3rd & 6th, Jupiter for 2, 5, 11, 9 etc.. The

nodes themselves are not significators for any specific house.

 

//But this of course is applicable only in the cases of highly evolved souls

who have reached that stage.//

 

I cite two examples here, if I may:

1) A native with Ketu (alone) in 12th who has no interest whatsoever in

moksha. In fact Ketu has severely restricted/harmed all the significations

of this (12th) house. She has never gone beyond the shores of her own

country, is not drawn to experience altered states of consciousness (through

meditation or otherwise), she has lost both legs (double amputee) etc..

 

2) U.G. Krishnamurti with Ketu in 12th conjunct 12th/5th lord Venus...

http://www.well.com/~jct/

 

I can send the data if there's any interest in looking at either of these

charts :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

"Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in>

<jyotish-vidya>

Saturday, November 25, 2006 3:07 PM

Re: " KARKO BHAV NASHAY "

 

 

Dear Nanavatiji,

 

All Planets signify certain houses, and become Natural Karakas

for them. For example Jupiter 5th, Mars 3rd, Venus 7th etc.

 

In the dictum "KARAKA BHAVA NASHAYA", the general principle involved

here is that if a planet is placed in the house which it signifies,

then it destroys the significations of that house. ie.Bhava Nasha

by the Karaka sitting there.

 

However there are only two exceptions to the above rule-

 

1) Saturn in the eight house, instead of destroying longevity,

actually enhances it in certain cases.

 

2) Ketu as the Karaka/Significator of Moksha is actually helpful if

placed in the twelfth house, But this of course is applicable only in

the cases of highly evolved souls who have reached that stage.

 

What is the logic for above, will have to be searched for

in the texts. At the same time we should not apply the rule above,

just immediately when we see the planet so placed in a Bhava.

Cause many times Jupiter in 5th has been able to allow native to

produce children too, therefore

keeping the Karaka Bhava Nasha in mind, if we notice such

a placement in any house, then we should check the aspects on the

house and also the deposit of the lord of that house plus

conjunctions if any and also the Natural Planet for that House

as per the Kalapurush Kundli.

 

Thus in anyones chart if I find Jupiter in the 5th house, I would

straight away never say that he must not be having any child.I would

check the aspects on Jupiter, the sign Lord where it is placed-

condition,conjunctions if any, what aspects and from whom Jupiter is

receiving by being seated in the 5th, Constellation in which Jupiter

is placed. behaviour of Jupiter towards the sign Lord where its

placed, Navamsha position too.The Natural House in the natural chart

in the 5th would be leo, so I would check the position of Sun too

which is actually the known and visible Creator and sustainer for us

all ( Vishnu- Surya Narayan )If all suggest to Malefic pointers, then

I can conclude that no child, otherwise we have to be cautious in our

approach before bluttering out such statements to anyone.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

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