Keralite Astrologers---To Murughan

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Glad to know that there are some sane voices in the list.The need of the hour

is impartial people like you.However, I am sad to take cognisance that a

senior astrologer like chandrasekharji has used vulgar language that is

unbecoming of a person of his stature .Once again Murughan, thank you for your

kind words.

Regards

KIDsakthivel_murughan <sakthivel_murughan > wrote:

As a Tamilian, I don't find anything objectionable or anything that promotes

regionalism/racism in kid's mail.He has presented certain facts.Even in KP

astrology,the terms like "punarphoo dosha" etc are actually borrowed from

"Prasnamarga" The mail of Mr chandrasekhar exhibits his inflated ego and also

reflects his absymally poor knowledge of the history of astrology and the

great contributions made by south Indian astrologers especially of kerala and

Tamilnadu.Mr chandrasekhar's mail depicts the extent to which an astrologer

could stoop down Also his wordings echoes arrogance , perversion and

prevarication of facts S Murughanvedic astrology,

Chandra Sekhar <chandra_sekhar1970> wrote:> who is this kid? > > Looks

truly a kid born to spoil the name

of Kerala. If conception takes place when Budha is in fast motion, the child

will be born in the 8th month and will behave in a haphazard way fast, slow,

reverse and so on. This may be a similar case. > > UP and Kasi, Uttarakhand,

Orissa/Puri all had great pandits and Kerala may prove to be a kid if the right

history of astrology is wrote by some scholars like Sanjayji or Narasimhaji.> >

Chandrasekhar> > > > Raj Sharma <kngcl> wrote:> Dear Kid, > > It is sad

to note the ego and rascism in your note to Mr Iyer. > > May lord bless us

with true knowledge.> > Regards > > Raj> > > > naaraayana_iyer

<jaimini.upadesa@g...> wrote:> Dear Sri Kid,> > You have the advantage of me

.... you know my name ... I cant say the > same

thing about you! It would be great to associate/learn with a > learned

astrologer from Kerala.> > I seem to have offended you! My apologies! All I

stated was that > your logic is not valid. Just because Kerala has an

illustrious > history/lineage of astrology, and just because someone from

Kerala > argued his point, doesn't make it either convincing or worthy!!! One >

has to accept/dismiss an argument based on its pure >

merit/reasoning/logic/rationale and not based on the subjects > background or

his demography, which I feel is a gross miscarriage of > judgement!> > BTW ...

I am very well aware of my lineage and the state that I > belong to, especially

wrt to Astrology, Tantra and forms of > Bhagavathi worship. I am not entirely

ignorant about this. In any > case, thanks for the reminder!> > Anyways, I am

sure, we would all enjoy/appreciate it, if you could

> come out of anonymity and enlighten us with your knowledge > > Thanks> Warm

Regards> Narayan> > > vedic astrology, kid kid

<astrokkid> > wrote:> > Dear Iyer,> > Your comments are quite

un-warranted.Had you been aware of your > own glorious past, perhaps you would

not have made such > statements.All the well- known as well as acknowledged

astrological > scholars are from Kerala, both ancient and modern. That includes

the > famous Sangamagrama Madhava, who using his theorem of "infinite > series"

, gave mathematical way to find out the circumference of a > circle for the

first time in the world ,centuries before Scotish > Mathematician James

Gregory and the German born philosopher cum > mathematician Laibnitse arrived

at the same.Further, Madhava gave in > his monumental

treatise"Venuaroham" the method to calculate the > accurate position of Moon for

every 36 minutes.The > famous "Prasnamarga", considered to be the Bible of

horary had its > genesis in Kerala.Varaha's "Brihatjathaka" popularly known as

"Hora" > as maximum number of translation in Malayalam Language.The Keralite >

astrologers are well Known for their expertise in "Devaprasna"an > exclusive

horary> > practised widely in Kerala.Keralite astrologers like Machat >

Illayathu were respected and even honoured by fundamentalist muslim > invaders

like Tippu Sultan.The person(anonymous) who wrote the > famous "Nauka" is

believed to be a keralite.. In Kerala there is a > caste/community assigned

exclusively for horoscope making and > delineation.The famous Alan Leo of the

west came to Kerala to learn > astrology during the turn of the last centuryThe

contemporary >

writers in Jyotish including Chandrahari of Ttue ayanamsha fame, K > Surendran,

the elite contribitor of the Astrological Magazine, V S > Kalayanaraman

IPS(Retd), who use to pen articles in the astrological > Magazine in the name

Bhaskaradasan, VSK ,Veeyeskay, Utpala , Mihira > etc are all Keralite

astrologers.You should remember that Kerala is > the only place in the world

repeat world, where communist came to > power through ballot box and not bloody

revolution Against the > backdrop of the strong leftist moorings and

psychological and > cultural> > warfare by the missionaries and the Islamic

fundamentalist > against hinduism in general and astrology in particular, >

astrologers of kerala never lagged behind either in propogation or > in the

predictive side of Jyotish., though they seldom run to the > media to tom tom

their success in predictions>

> .You may take note that this scribe was the first to write an open > letter

(mail) to Pradeep vehemently criticizing him ,when he felt > that the praise

the latter showered on a fradulent puzzle > solver ,engaged in misguiding the

gullible members, was quite > undeserving.At the same time, this scribe was

the first to openly > acknowledge the unparalled genrosity of Narasimha,

hitherto unknown > in the history of modern astrology, and his commitment to

the study > of this divine science, in making available the free down load of >

astro-software.Do remember, this scribe is Narasimha's TRUE FRIEND > and

definitely not a sycophant who misguides him.> > As for Pradeep, he argued his

case brilliantly and convincingly > and proved that he is a worthy scion of the

veteran keralite > astrologers of yester years.> > Late C G Rajan and Sri

R Santhanam , both outstanding scholars,are > the role model of this scribe.

Both of them are non--Keralites. Late > Sri R Santhanam was basically an

Andhrite and was responsible for > bringing me to astrology.This writer is not

stupid to say that > jyotish is the privilege of Keralites.The point is for a

keralite > astrologer (not all, most of them) scholarship in astrology is >

inherent , inborn and instinctive and sciolism is seldom noticed in > them ;

whereas, for the most of others ,it needs to be acquired.As > far as I am

concerned, my primary commitment is towards Jyotish and > nothing else> > KID>

> naaraayana_iyer <jaimini.upadesa@g...> wrote:> > Dear Kid & Pradeep,> > > >

.... Just because someone is a Keralite, doesn't make him a > > scholar. It

is just plain invalid logic! I am a Keralite myself > and

> > proud of it ... but that doesnt prove anything ... states Andhra > > Pradesh

and Orissa have a great history of parampara of Astrology > > too!> > > > Just

my 2cents.> > > > On another note: Yesterday we celebrated Guru Poornima at my

> Guru's > > house Narasimha's house, first by expressing our affection in the

> > form of a compilation (transcripts of 45 lessons done till date) > in > > a

book format with CD, and then participating in the Satya > Narayana > > Vratam.>

> > > Thank You Narasimha & Sanjayji!> > > > Warm Regards> > Narayan> > > > ---

In vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > >

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > Dear shri Kid> > > > > > Thanks for your

kind words.> > > It is a

privilige and blessing to have a lineage of learned > > scholars> > > showing

path.> > > Kind regds> > > Pradeep> > > vedic astrology,

kid kid <astrokkid> > > wrote:> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > Now I Know for

sure that you are a keralite. No wonder you > > display> > > deep erudition and

scholarship in the ongoing debate.From > > Vararuchi-> > > via-- Sangamagrama

Madhava-to Prof A R Rajaraja Verma to Dr KV > > Sharma> > > to Dr N E

Muthuswami, the state of kerala had produced a > lineage > > of> > >

outstanding scholars in astrology.Initially, I mistook your> > > intentions;

and I am sorry for that.Now, I presume, you are a > > person> > > encaged in

dispassionate study.Keep it up> > > >

Regards> > > > KID> > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > >

> Dear shri Kid> > > > > > > > I was referring to K.C.Keshavapillai author of

Jyothisha > > > > Gurubhoothan.Kerala.> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > Pradeep> >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, kid kid > <astrokkid>

> > > > wrote:> > > > > Pradeep,> > > > > "Keshava pillai has clearly said -

Vargas are thinking about > > > > > divisions of lagna and planets.The

examples i have quoted > > from > > > > > parashara too reveals the same."> > >

> > KID--Which Kesavapillai are you referring ?> > > > > Please reply> > > > >

KID> > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > >

> Dear respected members> > > > > > > > > > sutabhAvanavAMshAchcha

sthirasantatikArakAt.h |> > > > > evaM trishAMshakuNDalyAmapi yogaM

vichintayet.h || 30||> > > > > > > > > > All of us know the importance of

panchama bahava in > > > > > rajayoga,Mahrajayoga etc.Sthira Santhatikaraka is

> Jupiter.Thus > > 5th > > > > > lord and Jupiter and their amshas are ofcourse

important.We > > all > > > > know > > > > > where to see the panchama bhava.Sage

parashara too has > > explained > > > > to > > > > > us the relevance of 5th

bhava and its amshas under yogas for > > > > > afluence.>

> > > > > > > > > Suta bhava navamshacha is thus clearly the navamsha of 5th > >

lord - > > > > > and shri Narasimha too agree - though he uses the word > > > >

> ambiguity.Now sage says similarly, see the above from > > > > >

trishamshakundali.It is nothing but to see the 5th lords and > > > > > jupiters

position there.Shri Narasimha is intelligently > > tilting > > > > the > > > > >

priority.> > > > > > > > > > There are numerous such shlokas under jaimini

sutras, > > karakamsha > > > > > etc,referring to aspects involving amshas.We

know the > > difference > > > > in > > > > > opinion amongst scholars regarding

where to see these > from,ie > > > > Rashi > > > >

> or Navamsha.If one study the works in whole considering the > > gola > > > >

and > > > > > ganita part along with the shlokas ,there is no chance for > > >

> > ambiguity.I have always said by chart - we do not mean > > drawing - > > >

> but > > > > > analysis with bhavas.The word kundali does not mean we have >

to > > see > > > > > bhavas there.> > > > > Parashara muni has clearly said

where to see 12 Bhavas> (because > > he > > > > > uses bhava lords along with

their > > navamsha ,drekkana,shstyamsha > > > > > etc).We cannot find a single

shloka where, bhava is > mentioned > > in > > > > > vargamshas.> > > > > > > >

> > I thank shri narasimhas encouragement,but nothing was

> > haste.Apart > > > > > from my discretion,( ofcourse within my limitations),i

had > > also > > > > > listened to scholars like Late Santhanam(who can never

be > > haste > > > > as > > > > > he has translated the whole BPHS), Subbu Rao,

> > K.C.KeshavaPillai > > > > > etc.Keshava pillai has clearly said - Vargas are

thinking > > about > > > > > divisions of lagna and planets.The examples i have

quoted > > from > > > > > parashara too reveals the same.> > > > > > > > > >

Thus this does not stop us from answering the basic > > question.The > > > > >

lagna shadvargake shloka and Hora.Can we see houses from > HORA > > as > > > >

per > > > > > sage Parashara's

definition.Can we see aspect as per the > much > > > > > praised shloka.Thus let

us ponder together and answer than > > getting > > > > > over with intelligent

interpretations.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > >

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