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I was gonna come on gangbanger stylee, but now I know youse guys arent talkin mexicans. The fact is, we are the aliens who live in a dimension that is outside the norm. I dont necessarily believe they are "out there", i think it is entirely dimensional. When the artists drew up the maps for SB, it was kinda hard to see, because the bhagavatam speaks of layers, like an onion. And all the planets are on different layers, so this means that subterranean, as in patala, tala, rasatala, et al, are layers beneath the one where reside. The mid range, like earth, mars, and venus, they are all on the same layer. So, interplanetaRY travel is sideways, not up, unless one plans to leave the layer, lower into the subs, or higher, to saturn, the moon, jupiter (where jimi hendrix resides). And there is no void, no zero. Any idea of zero is false notion and outside real science. Just because we cannot see has no effect on whether existance is real. Our wet slimy orbs are not evidence gatherers. (Which makes me kinda wonder, why are all the scientisdts working of Hubble Telescope technology wearing glasses. I mean, get real here. A vision impaired dude creating state-of-the-art optics? I digress. Aliens exist, but they are not called aliens. (Mexicans aren't aliens either.) They come from various places, but the names are in their own language. Earth? Who admits to being from Earth? Where does the ugly name "Earth" come from? I was born in Bharatavarsa or even the name Martyaloka (which means planet of death) is more attractive sounding than EARTH. Earth is a better word for dirt, or a prefix for some great disaster like earthquake. Easier to say than bharatavarsaquake or martyalokaquake. But it means the dirt broke, has nothing to do with a planet. Haribol, ys, mudmon

yeah. Nothing worse than a heathen satan monster scumbag zit-devil dirtbag paramecium. Except maybe a heathen satan monster scumbag zit-devil dirtbag paramecium heathen satan monster scumbag zit-devil dirtbag paramecium Thats the worst, the heathen satan monster scumbag zit-devil dirtbag paramecium who misses the paste button and erases everything he just typed. Me? Im a satan monster scumbag zit-devil dirtbag paramecium, but Im not a heathen. mad mahax

it means no rhyme nor reason. It means that because of Amerika and its avarice, we have, like Hiranyaksa, depleted all the resources of the planet. The only thing left is PRETENDING to manage the mess, to hold off the hoards. But money is worthless because false paper has flooded the world market, $62,000,000,000,000. The entire world economy equals about $60,000,000,000,000. This leaves the whole planet 2 trillion in debt with no ability to repay. Artificial measures will be enacted, just as they have been since ronald (AKA 666) reagan decided to make the war machine, and the cronies who run the show, a valid economy. When the bough breaks the cradle will fall, then we become animals without our present human disguises. If you thought ahead, and have guns and ammo and plenty of canned tomato soup and powdered milk (I was tellin ya back when Y2K was big to stock up on cinnamon, white sugar, salt and pepper, stuff to make pond scum and earth worms taste good), then ya get to have everyone walking up your trail, because all they have is guns and ammo. And a big cookin pot for their zombie disciples. mad mahawks way beyond lavadrome

Ron Paul has also predicted a 1989 soviet collapse scenario for this nation. As for my predictions, (ca 2002 on this forum), I stated then, as the stock market was blossoming in war drum fury at 13,000, that the economic collapse will be evident when the market falls to 6,000. Almost immediately following this collapse will be the collapse of the environment, via pathogens or more apparent things like solar ejecta frying the planet. So, my economic prediction is almost done, and the environment is shortly following, with the cloud that no one is speaking of that circles the earth many times, born in China and propelled by off-shore winds into the jet stream. This brown cloud is very disturbing, but there are other things on the horizon as well. I feel bad for obama. He has hope, but it may be too late, despite his selections of very good administrators based on actual experience rather than the cronies and fund raisers that have failed when they got the jobs from the ayatollah of texas.Good job, Brownie, good job, gonzalez, good job, treasury secretary. Im not cynical, Im just done, and quite ready, actually. Are yall ready? Maybe some Chambers Brothers music will help, or a little quicksilver messenger service. Do you gotta cobra snake for a necktie? Me, ill do some volcano blues. mahaksadasa

Our Beautiful America Makes Anarchy

the big three will be relocated to PRC (China) where they can be built for cheap, then we can pay for their healthcare. Here in the USA, cannibalism is in the not-so-distant future. He who has the biggest kettle will rule his feifdom. All he has to do is get a few to try, then they are zombies for life fully subserviant to the potmaster. Fortunately, my potmaster is a vegan:)

9 is the divine number, and 6+6+6=18, 1+8=9. Because God is everything, all numbers (except one thru nine, single digit, which denotes each individuals traits) equal nine. There is only nine, no other number. This formula confirms. any number, subtract the sum of the digits in the number. Then add the digits to the number, until there is only one number. This number is ALWAYS nine. take my birthday, 2231950. the sum of the digits is 22. 2231950 - 22 = 2231928. The sum of the digits is 27, 2+7=9. The antichrist is not a competitor of god, there is no competitor, there is only god, therefore, the antichrist IS god. Not a blade of grass moves without His sanction. haribol, ys, mahaksadasa PS only those who know nine ball (or sudoku) know this sacred math. gHari knows, hes way fractile dat way.

See, the problem with trying to please Laxsmi alone, without consideration of Narayana, this makes the so called pleaser very displeasing to both Narayana and Laxmi. A demigod, (I call them Gods, because who am I to "demi" anyone), accepts the personality of GODHEAD, otherwise they cannot be Gods at all, rather great demons. I digress. The great personality Ravanasura, now there was one who worshipped Laxmi in the form of Srimati Sitadevi. No ones worship surpassed his. He was perfect in all aspects of his worship, so much that all the demigiods ended up worshipping him. But he had the misfortune of neglecting to see who Srimati Sitadevi was attached to, and paid for this crime with his life, slaughtered by animals and his own raksasa brother. So, though he sought and even got benefit, he lost everything. So, Panky, ya need a job. Lord Ganesha wiill remove impediments to your endeavor if your desire for a job is to help with your devotion to His Lord. The Goddess Laxmi will gladly help you with any endeavor that will help massage the form of Her Love, Lord Narayana. But if one neglects Rama, they get a false form of Sita who is really Kalima and will burn like molten metal, and this is a job we really dont need at this point in time. Here in A-maya-kkka, we are soon to all be jobless. I predicted here a total economic collapse back when the Dow was at 13,000 5 years ago, and very shortly following the Dow being at 6,000, a total environmental collapse will follow, so this is the time. Dont worry about being jobless, because jobs are no good if the onkly ones available are soldiers, prison guards, and those who try to scoop the corpses into piles outside of town. Have a nice armageddon, ys, mahaksadasa

good so far, no spammers yet. The issue is "spreading" the faith. Christians are soo very intent on the fanatical approach, needing to convince others to strengthen their own faith. Thus the evil of prosetylizing (sp). This is very against the proper way of the vaisnava concept of harinama samkirtana, which is not prosetylizing, rather in line with the word "acarya", meaning teaching by example. By example of a person who hears and chants Krsna, thus becomes full (gradually) with vaisnava character, this is KRSNA, meaning "attractive". Folks flock to attractive personalities, theu there is no need to burden others with wishes of god consciousness, pressures to make others love God because we cannot do it without their acceptance or approval. Chrisatians are quite unique in this program, and such is defines as thiord class vaisnava, kanistha adhikari, meaning the faith is very low and there is no ability to distinguish between a godly person and an out and out demon. This is why demons are quite able to have great flocks of christians "believing" under their guidance. Jews do not prosetylize, thus this faith is much more pure in its rudimentary form. Muslims dont bother convincing others, either "accept" the mullahs or die. In my opinion, this is where ISKCON may have troubles, because they seemed to adopt the Christian model of trying to convince others while haviong no convictions themselves, even though Prabhupada has forbidden all of of from speaking above our true level of advanmcement. So we have coke heads preaching the evil of intoxication, pedophiles warning against the uncleanliness of illicit sex, yada yada yada. My point here is that a true christian lives the life his guru Lord Jesus Christ has recommended, thus others are naturally attracted to him, wanting the nectar he exudes naturally. Those who want to commit genocide under the banner of manifest destiny are not attractive, so they revert to fanatic force to make christians, They use 19th century false doctrine such as the rapture and armageddon fear mongering to make fools fear the fires of the illusory hell. Rich white people who scorn the impoverished, the infirm, the unfortunate, those who never consider Jesus COMMAND that they way they treat the least among them is how they treat HIM, these are the ones who seem intent on making sure their false bloody doctrine is accepted, or else. I see the similar threads, and the top one is titled, "spreading hatred", and this, indeed, is a SIMILAR topic. Spreading God consciousness is our duty, but this duty entails FIRST they we become conscioius of God, then spread, We cannot tell others how good a pineapple tastes unless we have eaten a pineapple. To do so has no value. Similarly, to spread christianity means only a true follower of Lord Jesus can do this. The good Coptic Pope, Shenouda II, clearly tells us that theism is only found in the lovers of God and those whom they have convinced to Love God, no one else. So you folks witnessing the activities of so-called christian ministers have the same duty as we who are exposed to so-called gurus, we must put them to the test, using authority of past proven saints and scripture, and be CERTAIN they are god conscious, not demons. Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

fact is, karna and arjuna were players in the great production of mahabharata. That they were enemies is the same as when jagai and madai were playing great enemies to devotees, when actually, they are eternal gatekeepers for lord Narayana. Arjuna is victorious, karna was vanquished, from that main point, there is no arguement. The cheating and lying and diabolical events of war is what defines war, so there is no excuse for a warrior not to cheat or go against old promises or act according to virtue. Alls fair is love and war, so karna did not get cheated, he showed weakness at the wrong time, just as Indrajit, the greatest warrior in Ramayana was also defeated.. He could hide from all humans, but not from raksasas, and it was indrajit's fault that he did not consider a raksasa on the side of Rama. Karna was not whining about being cheated, that is why he is a grweat hero. The only whining going on is with insignificant humans who refuse to accept the verdict of the great YAJNA called the kuruksetra war. Arjuna won, not because of any great asset he had, he won because KRSNA decided he is the victor. Even Lord Balarama, who favored Karna and Duryodhana, could not give a better result, which is why Balarama decided to sit kuruksetrra out. haribol, ys, mahaksadasa PS Yudhisthira was the greatest warrior of that war, followed by Karna, bhisma, krpacarya, drona, bhima, then arjuna, in that order. Arjuna was equal to aswattama in military prowess, but he himself gave credit to his elder brothers and teachers as much greater than he. This is why arjuna is the best, because he has mastered proper way to act, with humility and respect for all others.

<TABLE height=217 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=699 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=699 colSpan=4 height=59> <!--mstheme--> </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=center align=middle width=699 colSpan=4><!--mstheme--> History of The USS Krishna (ARL-38)<!--mstheme--> </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=center align=middle width=699 colSpan=4 height=25><!--mstheme--><!--mstheme--></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!--mstheme--> <CENTER><!--mstheme--><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=700 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%"><!--mstheme-->Originally classified LST-1149, USS Krishna was reclassified ARL-38 on 14 August 1944: and laid down 23 February 1945 by Chicago Bridge & Iron Co. Senaca, Ill. ; launched 25 May 1945; placed into reduced commission during transfer to Mobile, AL. for conversion and commissioned 3 December 1945, at Mobile, Lt. Lyle E. Brown in command. Departing Mobile 8 January 1946, Krishna arrived Norfolk 14 January for duty with Amphibious Group 2 at Little Creek, VA. For more then 19 years the landing craft repair ship operated out of Little Creek, and support-and-repair operations have carried her from Baffin Bay to Caribbean. From 25 May to 31 August 1951 she participated in Operation "Blue Jay" during the initial phase of establishing the large base at Thule, Greenland. While at Little Creek she made annual deployments to Puerto Rico, the Virgin Island, and the Caribbean Islands supporting amphibious landing operations. Krishna departed Little Creek 5 October 1964 and sailed to waters off southern Spain, arriving Huelva 26 October, while there she participated in "Operation Pike I", the largest Amphibious landing operation since World War II which sent more then 28,000 2<SUP>nd</SUP> Division Marines storming the shores on a mock invasion. One of 84 naval ships Krishna provided support and replenishment services during this impressive exercise that clearly illustrated the strength and diversity of American naval sea power and emphasized the Navy’s ability and readiness to move a vast amphibious force to any shore if needed in keeping the peace. Departing Huelva 4 November steamed to the east coast arriving 29 November. From 1 December to 22 February 1965, Krishna reactivated Kirwin (APD-90) and on 1 June 1965 was assigned to the Pacific Fleet. Departing Little Creek, she steamed via the Panama Canal to Pearl Harbor and Guam for duty in the far east. Operating out of Subic Bay in the Philippines, she reached the Gulf of Thailand off the coast of Vietnam 17 September and began duty as a support ship for patrol craft of the U.S. Coast Guard Squadron 1. While the cutters patrolled The coastal waters to prevent infiltration of ammo, and supplies to the Viet Cong. Krishna served as a repair facility and fueling station as well as operations and communications and command center. Later in the year she also provided services for eight 50' Swift Boats that arrived to strengthen the coastal surveillance program. Krishna remained on station unit 1 December when she departed for Thailand arriving 3 December. She returned to her various support duties in the Gulf of Thailand on 11 December. In February Krishna raised and salvaged PCF-4. On 30 April men from the Krishna helped extinguished a fire in An Thoi, a South Vietnamese village. <CENTER></CENTER>Krishna had a number of distinguished visitors through 1966 including Secretary of the Navy, Paul H. Nitze on the 15th of July. On 21 July she headed for Sasebo Japan, with a stopover in Taiwan, on 29 July to provide repair facilities. Arriving Sasebo on 9 August. Krishna departed Sasebo for Vietnam 22 September, arriving in the Gulf of Siam on 7 October to resume her WestPac mission. Krishna continued to serve off the coast of Vietnam through 1966 and 1967. During her time in Vietnam the Krishna would provide support and repair for many units from many divisions. Krishna performed repairs in An Thoi, Rach Gia, Long Xuyen, Dong Tam, Nha Be, Vung Tau, My Tho, Can Tho, Song Ong Doc, Nam Can and Binh Thuy to name a few places she served. In June 1970, under the command of LCDR B.C. Newby, Krishna was ordered to proceed to to Nam Can to support operation "SEAFLOAT" on the Cua Lon River. The first night at anchor Krishna’s stern anchor failed to hold so she got underway and anchored just off the mouth of the river to await two Ells anchors to put on her stern wire. Once modifications were completed Krishna went back to Nam Can and anchored. At about 1200 on 5 July 1970, with sea and anchor detail secured, one lift was performed. PCF-52 was placed on the forward barge for repairs. PCF-40 was to be placed on the aft barge the next morning. At 2200 Krishna came under a sapper attack An underwater explosion caused a 20'x20' hole portside aft 10’ below the waterline damaging 9 compartments and tanks and causing major flooding of the repair shops and supply center located in the tank deck. The crew worked through out the night to clear damage and install temporary shoring to get Krishna de-watered. The barge had also suffered great damage and was slowly sinking. Prior to getting underway for Saigon, PCF-52 was lifted and re-floated. Repairs to Krishna were completed by the crew of the Krishna in just 5 weeks. She would again go to Nam Can to complete her original mission. A few days later Krishna again came under sapper attack, but the addition of swimmers lights, suggested by MR2 Edward Barth before the first attack, while in dry dock enabled the security watch to spot the sappers and sound the alarm. Krishna was successfully defended that night. As a result of the explosion, the accommodation ladder to the aft barge was carried away and landed on the deck of PCF-40 resulting in the death of QM-2 Lanny Buroff. Being the first of a total of (5) ARL’s to serve in Vietnam, Krishna continued to support the many RAG divisions, SEAL Teams and any other commands that had boats (except PBR’s) for the rest of 1970 and most of 1971, The final chapter of the Krishna was written in late 1971 under the command of LCDR R. W. Usborne. Krishna was ordered to proceed to Subic Bay where she was to be sold to the Philippine Navy. I’m sure that the spirit of the Krishna was not in agreement with this arrangement. After riding out a typhoon for two weeks, she was proceeding to moor alongside a LST, when one of the anchors contacted the side of the LST causing a 10' crease. The final sale and transfer of the Krishna took place on 30 October 1971. The Philippine Navy re-named the Krishna. As of 1993 she was still in the service of the Philippine Navy as the Narra (AR-88). The (5) ARL’s That served in Vietnam were USS Satyr (ARL-23), USS Sphinx (ARL-24), USS Askari (ARL-30), USS Indra (ARL-37), and USS Krishna (ARL-38). Awards earned during the Vietnam War: (4) Navy Unit Commendations, RVN Gallantry Cross with Palm, RVN Civil Action Medal, First Class, with Palm, RVN Campaign Medal with 60's device and the Vietnam Service Medal with (10) Battle Stars. Thanks to all the ARL Sailors out there for a job well done…..Albert Moore </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER>

experiance?? Obama comes in having more than reagan, more than GW bush, more than clinton. Only GHW Bush and Jimmy Carter came to the white house with at least a credible experiance, Bush Sr as CIA and Carter and a nuke sub officer. State offices are hardly experiance to run the whole show. So Reagan might qualify because Kalifornia is almost a nation. But GWB ruined texas, Clinton ruined arkansas, their only certification came from those they sentenced to death row. The key is not who sits as figure-head, but who he appoints to govern. My source says obama will knock your socks off with his bi-partisan choices. aloha, haribol, ys, mahaksadasa

The criteria is very minimal in this age, thanks largely to the Storehouse of love, Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Once, I asked Srila Prabhupada (prior to being his disciple, ca 1971 laguna beach) if touching his books was a spiritual act of bhakti yoga. His reply was yes. So, I think of those who have received books from devotees, like Jimmy Carter, and I ask, is he krsna conscious, having performed, just once, an act of non-offensive bhakti yoga? Stretching this a bit to the present. one candidate has a good luck charm of the full representation of stalwart devotional service in friendship, Sri Hanuman. He carries it with him at all times. It is not a muslim symbol, it is not a symbol of the Weathermen, nor is it a symbol of One World Government, Socialism, Communism, Black Power. It is a representation of one who is not only a dear friend and selfless servant of Lord Rama, but a very intimate friend of the Supreme Goddess, Srimati Sitadevi. Is he a devotee? Well, he eats meat, maybe drinks a bit (but I doubt if he is accustomed to intoxication like our lame duck dude), I believe there is no indication of gambling, nor illicit sex in his realm. Does he chant? Define. Is not the Lord's Prayer chanting because it does hold the name of God very dear. What is the other criteria? Vaisnava characteristics of cleanliness, mercy, austerity and truthfulness. While I appreciate ISKCONs responsibility of neutrality on this issue, as I appreciate my peers' positions on the matter, when one asks about karma in the vote, yes, we get the karma of the rule of whom we elect. A king takes the karma of his subjects, but in a democracy, the electorate is responsible. So, if we elect the republican ticket, we get what thats all about, an artificial and perverted armageddonism and rapture philosophy created by demons who use Jesus as a bloody rag to pretend to wipe their sins on (while he says, "get away from me, you workers of iniquity"). Or we elect Obama and find out if he is what he has said he is or find out how bad he lied to us, or we dont vote, and have the karma of not rendering to the state that which belongs to the state. A non-vote does not relieve us of the karma we are forced to live under. The Jews did not elect Hitler, yet they suffered greatly because others took advantage of their silence. Gypsies never vote, but they live in squalor and die gruesome death because they dont use facility that may well be there. Dont get me wrong, Im not fanatic. I vote Obama because he moves me, not because I rthink he has the sloutions to the problems we face. But my vote for him equals two votes against my great enemies, the corporate fiends who want to commit genocide against all but 500,000,000 people, meaning they will not stop until 7/8 of the world population is dead, the ultimate final solution. Its not senile McCain, whom I like and think is a respectable gentleman, but those who are enamored by the venomous traitor female dog who the rapture freaks are touting and even have plans, if elected, to elevate to #1 even quicker than that other short lived president who reigned for just a month or so (Who was He, not george, but another harrison). Its the scariest day of the year, not Oct 31, but Nov 4. Reagan-Modnale, there is a valid reason not to vote. Humphrey-Nixon too. Clinton Dole was a real yawner. I voted for Gore and Kerry because I really have no use for dry-drunks and cokeheads. But I vote for Obama for the same reason I voted for Carter, the closest thing american politics have come to providing a vaisnava friendly person. Devotee? I cant tell, only devotees can see other devotees, Kanisthas cant tell devotees from demons. haribol, ys, mahak (PS Thanx, Bija, will read carefully, am excited by what I rapidly read in my short time at the library today.)

My scenario is a bit different, with the same result, police state fascism (which Im already very much under its weight). The election is fixed, the ballots are not being accurately tabulated. But Obama is not going to back off and go away like Kerry and Gore did, hes gonna push the envelope, and the masses will hit the streets, buoyed by a great collapse next month of all thing economic, as well as possible terror activity, contrived and well planned. The posse cometatus (Sp) laws have been ignored by the present regime, so all local police agencies are trumped by Homeland Security such as border patrol, Bureau of prisons, FEMA, even coast guard. All national guards are already out of individual state authority due to secret laws enacted by GWB over the course of post 911 BS. So Obama wont go away, and the masses will hit the streets, and the martial law will take effect. The only good news is that neither Palin nor McCain will govern, but the bad news is that the election will be null and void, and no new term will begin in January. I see Obama taken prisoner, perhaps even injured, and put on trial as terrorist. I see massive civil unrest that may well become a civil war that has the hippies alligned with the neo-rednecks, blacks, etc. But at least it aint boring. Alex's ally, the caretaker of Rev Malachi Martin, has even a direr scenario, with invasion by China from the North and Russia from the South. I believe her name is Katherine, a former Nun who labored for Pope JP II. Clinton is the last elected president, Benedict, though the black pope, is the last of these, too, per Saint Malachis prophecy of 545 CE. Hold on, this is why we were taught of other worlds to live in, because this is the planet of Death. Listen to "the end" by the doors, a good song for these daze. And Haribol to all who will have ya, ys, mahaksadasa

Very good man with facts beyond speculation. However, I dispute your claim that obama is just a lackey for the NWO, because he is too populist. His agenda may be hidden, but Im inclined to think that the (not too bad) politics of the sixties may have a rekindling under his realm. Ya know, his affinity with the likes of Malcolm X, the Weathermen, and other such novelties, these may not be the scourge the right likes to insist upon. Because there WAS a reason for the Weathermen ( a branch and outgrowth of SDS), and it wasnt just to blow up the Banks of America, even though they needed it, then as well as now. What is the cause, this is what we should be thinking about, gotta RUN MAHAK

Obama, he is my vote. Sarvah gatah made a point on the spiritual talk that was locked out about which one, the pro animal eating, the pro abortionist? Well, my point is that who is the most likely to submissively inquire into the reality of the situation. Who would a devotee be most likely to engage in a REAL discussion into the various aspects of spiritual life according to vaisnava principles. Would you be comfortable with palin, the pro fetus person? Not unl;ess she gets rid of the snakes. McCain? Not likely. But Obama, this is a person who can be persuaded to investigate all things from an intelligent counterpoint. think about it. mahak

Devotees are living in the world, full of false ego. If they have no false ego, then why do they breathe, because breathing is sensual gratification, so is drinking water and eating food. Devotees are taught by their guru to make the best use of the bad bargain they got when they took birth. Such bad bargains include living within the confines of governments. Now devotees in Iran or China do not have the option of exercizing a right to select their own leaders, so their bad bargain means hiding and keeping Krsna well hidden. But in America, devotees still have a nominal right to vote, and their bad bargain may have a little relief if they select preservation of the freedoms the US was founded on. These freedoms have been severely curtailed, I, mahak the mudmon, cannot guarantee that the vote will be counted, in fact, I predict that the numbers are already on the dtat base, and that the devotees freedom to sing Krsna will be deeply cut and even prohibited by the next generation of fundamentalist fanatics and demoniac guru killers who use the blood of a vaisnava, Lord Jesus Christ, to make a bloodbath of the rest of the world by their apostacitic perverted rapture armageddonism. But as an aspiring vaisnava, I will again vote for one who promises to uphold the freedom from false religions and freedom to practice spiritual life, be it favoring Lord Jesus, Lord Rama, or Lord Allah. I will cast my vote against those who lie about the USA being a christian country when the word "Christian" was forbidden my the founders and writers of the constitution, Deists who valued God over all religion, just as recommended by Krsna to Arjuna. One christian, Patrick Henry, tried to alter the original "Natural God" by re-writing "Christian God", but Franklin, Adams, Thornton, Jefferson, and Paine overruled this abhorration. Misguided devotees may think they are doing God's will by voting for the likes of the snake handler Palin and striking down binLaden's black Obama, but this is how this age works, what is light for some is darkness for others, irreligion is accepted as religious, yadda yadda yadda. But, since we live in the world of bad bargains, we have to watch our children be slaughtered by gutter religiosity. Our hope is to cast a vote and hope freedom still is the law of this land. Whatever, its not going to get better, because this is kali yuga, but we can perhaps put off the blackboots for another term or two. haribol, ys, mahaksadasa

Haribol, all, and to my friend gHari, haribol+++. We have heard Krsna say that we will go to whom we worship. So rests my point exactly. A sub god may not really be where we want to go, but a confidential servant of Krsna is a God (note the Capital G) whose association is very valuable. I used to say I wanna be a yamadhuta when I grow up. Why? Because I really want to be eternally associated with Lord Yamaraja no matter where he is, be he Sri Vidura, Sri Yudhisthira, no matter, where he is is the pure devotional service which is like touchstone. Same with a desire to associate with Lord Siva. How can one go wrong being with Lord Siva (or Sri Advaita acarya)? What is my perfect devotion to Lord Ganesha enabled me to arrange his sitting place while he acts as Sri Vyasadeva's scribe. Wouldnt is be the greatest halloween rasa to watch Kali Maa do away with those who would commit attrocity against the vaisnava? So, despite the blundering offense the less intelligent make against the great Godlike devotees of the Supreme Lord, their stories as presented by Srila Prabhupada in his delivery of Sri Bhagvat Purana is the nectar of my life. When I hear some who say to worship these persons is foolish, I cringe, especially when my spiritual master tells me to always worship them. Now, there is another kind of worship, which has no english translation, which is only meant for the Godhead, the God of all the Gods, which is described in bhagavad gita. This is the worship witnessed by Sri Narada Muni when observing the creator God Lord Brahma worshipping. This is the type of worship witnessed by the disciples when their Lord Jesus Christ told them to pray as he did, saying "Our Father, glory to your Holy Name..." Hare Krsna, and all glories to his eternal associates, Lord Yama, Siva, Sri, Surya, Varuna. Indra? Dunno bout him, but I guess I can worship him, seeing that I kinda like Duryodhana when others hate him. But Duryodhana was Lord Balaramas best friend, just as much as Arjuna was Krsna's best friend, so what do we do bout that, eh all ye canadians and Mauritiusians. How can we hate Balaramas best friend? Maybe this science is a thinkin mon's science as it is. Maybe there is room to DISCERN (There's that evil word of mahak's again) reality, just as a swan can mix water and milk and take either liquid, leaving di udder. yer serf ant, mahak of di waves of time crashing all around me.

most of my peers think that all but krsna is "merely" a demigod, but further study of great theistic works like the teachings of lord chaitanya clear this issue up quite well. I cringe every time i hear Brahma and Siva referred to as demigods, as if they are like mick jagger (referred to as a demigod by srila prabhupada). Demigod refers to extraordinarily empowered persons, but Avatars are incarnations of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Ganesha is not merely a powerful person, he is the scribe of the Supreme Person who gives us sruti and smriti. Durga is a partial expansion of the supreme goddess without any tinge of being ordinary yet powerful. Anyway, nuff said, I have heard years and tears of disrespect toward my heroes by those who are displeasing Krsna by vilifying his devotees, These personalities are fully worthy of worship (knowing, of course, whom they worship, as narada acknowledged in Lord Brahma), not disdain or consideration as something not owrth even mentioning as vaisnavas. mahaksadasa

<CENTER> </CENTER> <CENTER>(part 2)</CENTER> 18: Mahatma Vidura knew all this, and therefore he addressed Dhritarashtra, saying: My dear King, please get out of here immediately. Do not delay. Just see how fear has overtaken you. Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada purport Cruel death cares for no one, be he Dhritarashtra or even Maharaja Yudhishthira; therefore spiritual instruction, as was given to old Dhritarashtra, was equally applicable to younger Maharaja Yudhishthira. As a matter of fact, everyone in the royal palace, including the King and his brothers and mother, was raptly attending the lectures. But it was known to Vidura that his instructions were especially meant for Dhritarashtra, who was too materialistic. The word rajan is especially addressed to Dhritarashtra significantly. Dhritarashtra was the eldest son of his father, and therefore according to law he was to be installed on the throne of Hastinapura. But because he was blind from birth, he was disqualified from his rightful claim. But he could not forget the bereavement, and his disappointment was somewhat compensated after the death of Pandu, his younger brother. His younger brother left behind him some minor children, and Dhritarashtra became the natural guardian of them, but at heart he wanted to become the factual king and hand the kingdom over to his own sons, headed by Duryodhana. With all these imperial ambitions, Dhritarashtra wanted to become a king, and he contrived all sorts of intrigues in consultation with his brother-in-law Sakuni. But everything failed by the will of the Lord, and at the last stage, even after losing everything, men and money, he wanted to remain as king, being the eldest uncle of Maharaja Yudhishthira. Maharaja Yudhishthira, as a matter of duty, maintained Dhritarashtra in royal honor, and Dhritarashtra was happily passing away his numbered days in the illusion of being a king or the royal uncle of King Yudhishthira. Vidura, as a saint and as the duty-bound affectionate youngest brother of Dhritarashtra, wanted to awaken Dhritarashtra from his slumber of disease and old age. Vidura therefore sarcastically addressed Dhritarashtra as the "King," which he was actually not. Everyone is the servant of eternal time, and therefore no one can be king in this material world. King means the person who can order. The celebrated English king wanted to order time and tide, but the time and tide refused to obey his order. Therefore one is a false king in the material world, and Dhritarashtra was particularly reminded of this false position and of the factual fearful happenings which had already approached him at that time. Vidura asked him to get out immediately, if he wanted to be saved from the fearful situation which was approaching him fast. He did not ask Maharaja Yudhishthira in that way because he knew that a king like Maharaja Yudhishthira is aware of all the fearful situations of this flimsy world and would take care of himself, in due course, even though Vidura might not be present at that time. mahaksadasa commentary: An old VNN article is submitted herein for your consideration: <CENTER>The Death Phenomena</CENTER> EDITORIAL BY MAHAKSA DASA, Nov 11, 1999 (VNN) Haribol, dear VNN readers and writers, PAMHO. This article is written for those who feel impending doom, either from speculations about Y2K, or from dabbling in the likes of Cayce, Scallion, Morton, and other seers. We should not give absolute truth status to the versions of the empiric scientist, but we need not reject them, either. Srila Prabhupada did not expect us to remain infants forever with overprotection. We question and defeat them all, but their versions are not unfounded. Do we reject tornado warnings, do we stay on the beach just because a meat eater weatherman says the hurricane is coming? No, Srila Prabhupada raised practical children. I have been cursed since birth with uncanny clairvoyance, it only gives me joy playing around with sports-page fascinations shared with my karmi friends at work, at other times, not so much joy seeing the future of Kali. Just more and more deterioration, more demoniac activity, more misinterpretation, more chaos, quarrel, and confusion. My work mates ask me, "Is it the volcano, the tornado, the solar ejecta, the tsunami, the comet, the earthquake, the nuclear holocaust? Tell us." The answer is "all of these things". The answer is that a noble green skinned mahajana in red robes, with matted hair riding on a buffalo carrying a silver thread to retrieve a soul under his jurisdiction follows our every move, because catastrophe is there. The answer is that Lord Sri Yamaraja, similar to us at work in our jobs, would like to sluff off, now and then, if given the opportunity, and we can help him in his desire by removing ourselves from his dutiful jurisdiction and becoming his friend instead. He is cent-percent pure Vaisnava acarya, so much so, that he is one of the twelve authorities on devotional service. Probably most of the readers here have read all of Srila Prabhupada's books, and a very nice project is to seek out the words of Sri Yamaraja (as well as his partial manifestations, Sri Vidura and Sri Yudhisthira) to find DHARMA. He is the first mahajana we deal with on the other side, and he would rather engage in joyful Krsna Consciousness with us at that time than just do his occupational duty, because He knows, He is the first created being to die. This is not a doomsday scare story, just a realization of mortality given to me by my wife, who is not of Vaisnava persuasion, yet possesses Vaisnava qualities in her own right, that I cannot describe, nor properly understand. She is not interested in impending doom of the Ross Ice Shelf separating from Antarctica and raising global sea levels two-hundred feet, she cares not to hear of Popocatepetyl Volcano ready to give the earth a ring like Saturn. She tells me that I only got a few years, max, as do we all, so get with it. Srila Prabhupada does not teach doomsday science, he does not teach us how to die. He teaches us how to live. He shows us that, if at all possible, even in an incapacitated condition, we should desire to circumambulate Sri Govardhana Hill in Remembrance of Sri Govinda, this act of life, and living, is what gives both the living entity and the stalking Lord Yamaraja transcendental happiness, destroys the time (and place, too) effect temporarily affecting our lives. The death phenomena is ONLY (my favorite word that Srila Prabhupada uses often) phantasmagoria, a will o' the wisp. I am remembering a dear friend, Bhava devi dasi, removed from our presence by the chemotherapy. She was young, full of life, and, though apparently only 80 pounds of dying flesh, taught fellow hospital patients in the same condition how to be pleasing to Yama, by pleasing his dear Sri Govinda. Point is, when the lava flows and the water rises, the joy of performing bhakti yoga as taught by His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada does not diminish. Because the word YOGA appears, all ideas of being ALONE are also phantasmagoria, a celluloid manifestation, illusion. Even as the body bursts into flames and the mind is disturbed by seeing such an event happen, Sri Govinda approaches, protects, rescues, never abandons. No artificial behavior influenced by loneliness is required, no need to place a picture of Krsna in front of the eyes. Srila Prabhupada teaches the facts that this process of devotional service is descending to us from the Groves of Goloka Vrndavana, our job is to take the wonderful gift only. Some of us have lost a few as described, headed by our beloved Guru Maharaja himself, as well as dear disciples of his like Jayananda, Visnujana, Sudama, Gauragovinda, Bhava devi dasi, et al., yet we know Srila Prabhupada's Science (at least theoretically), therefore we do NOT say they are dead, and in some cases, imbued with advanced devotional symptoms, we do NOT even feel that they are away. The reason for this phenomena is the gift described, that bhakti yoga is SPIRITUAL LIFE, transcendental to both Samsara cycles and threefold miseries. So, though faced with doom, (collectively as I see in lucid dreams or appropriately as wonderful reality facing the individual), we can all take courage and give praise, again and again, for the fortune of association with the great gift-giver, Srila Prabhupada. (note. Since this article, many have also passed away, Tusta Krsna, Sri Bahudaka, Srimati Jayaradhe dd. Many unnamed associates, but, as Srila Prabhupada tells us the great news, "Therefore one is a false king in the material world, and Dhritarashtra was particularly reminded of this false position and of the factual fearful happenings which had already approached him at that time. Vidura asked him to get out immediately, if he wanted to be saved from the fearful situation which was approaching him fast. He did not ask Maharaja Yudhishthira in that way because he knew that a king like Maharaja Yudhishthira is aware of all the fearful situations of this flimsy world and would take care of himself, in due course, even though Vidura might not be present at that time." <CENTER>(part 3)</CENTER> 19: This frightful situation cannot be remedied by any person in this material world. My lord, it is the Supreme Personality of Godhead as eternal time [kala] that has approached us all. Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada purport There is no superior power which can check the cruel hands of death. No one wants to die, however acute the source of bodily sufferings may be. Even in the days of so-called scientific advancement of knowledge, there is no remedial measure either for old age or for death. Old age is the notice of the arrival of death served by cruel time, and no one can refuse to accept either summon calls or the supreme judgment of eternal time. This is explained before Dhritarashtra because he might ask Vidura to find out some remedial measure for the imminent fearful situation, as he had ordered many times before. Before ordering, however, Vidura informed Dhritarashtra that there was no remedial measure by anyone or from any source in this material world. And because there is no such thing in the material world, death is identical with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, as it is said by the Lord Himself in the Bhagavad-gita (10.34). Death cannot be checked by anyone or from any source within this material world. Hiranyakasipu wanted to be immortal and underwent a severe type of penance by which the whole universe trembled, and Brahma himself approached him to dissuade Hiranyakasipu from such a severe type of penance. Hiranyakasipu asked Brahma to award him the blessings of immortality, but Brahma said that he himself was subject to death, even in the topmost planet, so how could he award him the benediction of immortality? So there is death even in the topmost planet of this universe, and what to speak of other planets, which are far, far inferior in quality to Brahmaloka, the residing planet of Brahma. Wherever there is the influence of eternal time, there is this set of tribulations, namely birth, disease, old age and death, and all of them are invincible. mahaksadasa commentary: Recently, on another discussion concerning the passing of yet another disciple of Srila Prabhupada, a devotee offered this amazing discussion. There was no information concerning when and where this discussion took place, but it is quite sublime, nevertheless. This discussion by Srila Prabhupada gives us an entirely different perspective on this individualized final solution Harikesa: When people die, though, there is usually some cause. Like they have a heart attack or they get hit by a car or some disease. So that death is caused by the disease... Prabhupada: That is not the cause. That is the effect. You foolish, do not know. You are taking it, cause. Harikesa: Well, when you get hit by a car, that's a cause. Prabhupada: Just like one man becomes insolvent, loses everything. So he said that "I had no money. Therefore I become insolvent." But that is not the fact. He could not manage; therefore there was scarcity of money and he became failure. So that is effect. On account of his bad management, he came to a position that he could not pay to his creditor, and his business is failure. So that insolvency is not the cause. It is the effect. Pusta Krsna: Bhisma was able to remain in his body even on a bed of arrows. Prabhupada: So when you are going to die, these are the... On account of imminent death, these are the effects. Harikesa: But that means that the body breaks down. Prabhupada: Hm? Harikesa: The body breaks down. Prabhupada: At a certain period it will break. Harikesa: So that is the cause, the body breaking down. Prabhupada: Yes. So you say heart failure is the cause. No. The body is breaking; therefore heart failure. Harikesa: So death means the body breaks. Prabhupada: No, no. First of all your answer... You say the heart failure is the cause. The man is dying. I say that because the man is dying, the heart is failure. So heart failure is not the cause. It is the effect. <MAHAKSADASA: do mine.?Hare Krsna, thank you for considering the points made herein. I humbly invite all to comment, to give class on the selected verses. Especially us duryodhanas out there who regret our actions and are being "greeted well in our hour". Please send comments to mahaksa_d@hotmail.com

<CENTER>TEACHINGS OF SRI VIDURA</CENTER> Dedication and author note: Haribol, readers. It is quite metaphysical that last week, I was strongly thinking of a friend I have had discussions with over the years on the internet. I was, out of the blue, filled with thoughts of my godbrother, Sriman Puru das. Maybe it is simply appreciation for his dynamic preaching effort on the internet, and especially the content over the last few weeks. Yet, the content of the project that was somehow inspired by Sri Puru das is this discourse between Sri Vidura and King Dhrtarastha. And this godbrother suddenly leaves our presence, called back to Godhead, a life successfully performed. Leaving me weeping at the world's loss, yet with the treasure of his association never to be lost. I only know Sri Puru das thru the cyber waves. He is a writer who freely practices his art. We had many discussions on the whole range of topics from the science of Bhakti Yoga, and neither of us could keep quiet. I used a quip on him once, "everyone is entitled to my opinion", and he truely enjoyed that one. He is a lion on the cyber waves, and many lambs had to face this reality. Under this strong surface, there is also the key element that many may have missed due to the impersonal mnature of the internet, his sweet vaisnava quality of humility. The authority he speaks with is never thought of as his own. He never presumes to be better than others, but always gives fully documented evidence from those WHO ARE better than others, the Vaisnava acaryas. Of the great teachings of our spiritual master, Srila Prabhupada, the one I find most reassuring as a slave to time is the devotion of Krsna to his devotee, the reciprocation. For one who surrenders his forgetful life to be a vaisnava, there is never any loss. There is no need to artificially place a picture of Krsna before ones face at the time of death. There is no need to mechanically chant wracked with great physical pain. We remember the passing of Srila Haridas Thakura. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu gave him instruction "reduce your vow and chant less". The devotees who give their lives to serve Krsna actually become the object of Krsna's worship. At the time of death, Krsna is thinking of his devotee, protecting him, sending Sri Puskara or another even grander chariot to bring his devotee back, for consultation, for another even grander project. Srila Prabhupada speaks of his disciples as gosthyanandis, preachers. Puru das, you preached to me, brother, and I heard you very well. Our unity is the issue here, our diversity is, as you always say, "of no consequence". I am honored that you took the time to be a true vaisnava associate, a true friend in every sense of the word. Hare Krsna, your servant in cooperation, mahaksadasa <CENTER>(part 1)</CENTER> (From Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada's Srimad Bhagavatam 1.13) 1-17: Sri Suta Gosvami said: While traveling on a pilgrimage, Vidura received knowledge of the destination of the self from the great sage Maitreya and then returned to Hastinapura. He became as well versed in the subject as he desired. After asking various questions and becoming established in the transcendental loving service of Lord Krishna, Vidura retired from putting questions to Maitreya Muni. When they saw Vidura return to the palace, all the inhabitants -- Maharaja Yudhishthira, his younger brothers, Dhritarashtra, Satyaki, Sanjaya, Kripacarya, Kunti, Gandhari, Draupadi, Subhadra, Uttara, Kripi, many other wives of the Kauravas, and other ladies with children -- all hurried to him in great delight. It so appeared that they had regained their consciousness after a long period. With great delight they all approached him, as if life had returned to their bodies. They exchanged obeisances and welcomed each other with embraces. Due to anxieties and long separation, they all cried out of affection. King Yudhishthira then arranged to offer sitting accommodations and a reception. After Vidura ate sumptuously and took sufficient rest, he was comfortably seated. Then the King began to speak to him, and all who were present there listened. Maharaja Yudhishthira said: "My uncle, do you remember how you always protected us, along with our mother, from all sorts of calamities? Your partiality, like the wings of a bird, saved us from poisoning and arson. While traveling on the surface of the earth, how did you maintain your livelihood? At which holy places and pilgrimage sites did you render service? My Lord, devotees like your good self are verily holy places personified. Because you carry the Personality of Godhead within your heart, you turn all places into places of pilgrimage. My uncle, you must have visited Dvaraka. In that holy place are our friends and well-wishers, the descendants of Yadu, who are always rapt in the service of the Lord Sri Krishna. You might have seen them or heard about them. Are they all living happily in their abodes? Thus being questioned by Maharaja Yudhishthira, Mahatma Vidura gradually described everything he had personally experienced, except news of the annihilation of the Yadu dynasty. Compassionate Mahatma Vidura could not stand to see the Pandavas distressed at any time. Therefore he did not disclose this unpalatable and unbearable incident because calamities come of their own accord. Thus Mahatma Vidura, being treated just like a godly person by his kinsmen, remained there for a certain period just to rectify the mentality of his eldest brother and in this way bring happiness to all the others. As long as Vidura played the part of a sudra, being cursed by Manduka Muni, Aryama officiated at the post of Yamaraja to punish those who committed sinful acts. Having won his kingdom and observed the birth of one grandson competent to continue the noble tradition of his family, Maharaja Yudhishthira reigned peacefully and enjoyed uncommon opulence in cooperation with his younger brothers, who were all expert administrators to the common people. Insurmountable, eternal time imperceptibly overcomes those who are too much attached to family affairs and are always engrossed in their thought. Srila Bhaktivedanta purport "I am now happy; I have everything in order; my bank balance is quite enough; I can now give my children enough estate; I am now successful; the poor beggar sannyasis depend on God, but they come to beg from me; therefore I am more than the Supreme God." These are some of the thoughts which engross the insanely attached householder who is blind to the passing of eternal time. Our duration of life is measured, and no one is able to enhance it even by a second against the scheduled time ordained by the supreme will. Such valuable time, especially for the human being, should be cautiously spent because even a second passed away imperceptibly cannot be replaced, even in exchange for thousands of golden coins amassed by hard labor. Every second of human life is meant for making an ultimate solution to the problems of life, i.e. repetition of birth and death and revolving in the cycle of 8,400,000 different species of life. The material body, which is subject to birth and death, diseases and old age, is the cause of all sufferings of the living being, otherwise the living being is eternal; he is never born, nor does he ever die. Foolish persons forget this problem. They do not know at all how to solve the problems of life, but become engrossed in temporary family affairs not knowing that eternal time is passing away imperceptibly and that their measured duration of life is diminishing every second, without any solution to the big problem, namely repetition of birth and death, disease and old age. This is called illusion. But such illusion cannot work on one who is awake in the devotional service of the Lord. Yudhishthira Maharaja and his brothers the Pandavas were all engaged in the service of the Lord Sri Krishna, and they had very little attraction for the illusory happiness of this material world. As we have discussed previously, Maharaja Yudhishthira was fixed in the service of the Lord Mukunda (the Lord, who can award salvation), and therefore he had no attraction even for such comforts of life as are available in the kingdom of heaven, because even the happiness obtained on the planet Brahmaloka is also temporary and illusory. Because the living being is eternal, he can be happy only in the eternal abode of the kingdom of God (paravyoma), from which no one returns to this region of repeated birth and death, disease and old age. Therefore, any comfort of life or any material happiness which does not warrant an eternal life is but illusion for the eternal living being. One who understands this factually is learned, and such a learned person can sacrifice any amount of material happiness to achieve the desired goal known as brahma- sukham, or absolute happiness. Real transcendentalists are hungry for this happiness, and as a hungry man cannot be made happy by all comforts of life minus foodstuff, so the man hungry for eternal absolute happiness cannot be satisfied by any amount of material happiness. Therefore, the instruction described in this verse cannot be applied to Maharaja Yudhishthira or his brothers and mother. It was meant for persons like Dhritarashtra, for whom Vidura came especially to impart lessons.</B> mahaksadasa commentary: In the old days under excellent disciple leadership, we were given the opportunity to prepare for and give the morning class to our peers. This was a great hands on education for us who were initiated to carry out this mission. The assignment required the disciple to choose a subject, study Srila Prabhupada's version, and give commentary, inviting istagosthi at all times. The subject I choose here is leaving the body, and the teacher of the futility of hanging on is none other than my hero, Lord Yamaraja, who has taken part in the travelling show called Krsna Katha as Sri Vidura. Lord Yamaraja, who is present in Sri Vidura as well as King Yudhisthira, is the penultimate authority on Death, and his credentials are clear, as he is depicted as one of the twelve authorities on the science of Bhakti Yoga. Any comment is quite welcome. My peers have much to offer here, as the pangs hit us every day. There is nothing but nectar to be found in the research of my chosen subject. This is the assignment. I guess the first place to start is with the story of the birth of Death. <CENTER>The Birth of Death, by mahaksadasa 1999</CENTER> In the beginning of time, the human beings lived in the clear air, and as their sustenamce, they moved within the air without effort. The Earth was then made of pure honey, and, first a few, then many more, descended by the desire to taste the sweet flavor. An addiction developed, and though they did not require the honey, they began to eat more and more. Gradually, the human beings became too heavy to fly any more, and their wings fell off to become the world's mountains. These mountains formed a crust over the Earth's surface as well as harnessed the clouds to deliver the rains and the seeds of vegetation. When the last human had landed to fly no more, male and female forms began to develop as compatible with terrestrial living. These forms developed desire for one another and were thus able to procreate the species. Since at this time, the human beings were immortal, the increase of their kind created an unbearable situation for the Earth. Hearing the cries of the humans on Her surface, the Earth approached Lord Brahma, the creator. Lord Brahma was perplexed, and, finding no solution to the problem, He experianced great anger. This anger began to consume the entire cosmos with the fires of annihilation, and Lord Brahma was thus satisfied. Lord Shiva arrived and immediately bowed to Lord Brahma's feet, begging, "Be merciful, O Lord, do not destroy what You have created." Lord Brahma: "I have no mercy, just anger. Lord Shiva: "If this were the case, I would not have come before You. Your whole creation is blasted with fire, please look upon the human beings in another way." Lord Brahma: "Mata Earth begged for help, crying pitiously, but I cannot solve Her problem. I know why She cries, She is sinking in the Causal Ocean from the weight of Her people, but I have no solution." Lord Shiva: "Then al creation is but ashes." Lord Brahma: "I withdraw all anger and restore everything as before, but the problem remains, I have great doubt." As Lord Shiva was about to leave, assured by the universal restoration, Lord Brahma noticed a being created by His six senses, a woman with red eyes and tanned skin, brilliant in beauty and ornaments. Smiling pleasantly to the Two Lords, She went her own way to the South. Lord Brahma called out to Her, "Wait, Death. Kill all creatures, beginning with idiots and priests." Death replied: "Never. It is cruel, go away from me." She ran away, but Lord Brahma and Lord Shiva tolerated Her insistance, following her and persuading her, to no avail. Death was allowed to wander the creation without taking any life for 100,277,000,008,000 years. Lord Brahma again appeared before Her, Saying, "Death, I have not seen you for a moment, what are you doing?" "I will never kill for You" was Her steadfast promise. Lord Brahma looked at the winsome girl, and replied, "Then I must make them equal. You will not have to kill them, you will never kill gods, demons or human beings. I now create greed, envy, anger, and shame, jealousy and passion. From Your tears, I make war and disease. Do nothing, they will all come to You. You will not be the cause or the prevention of death, but You must greet all who come to You well in their hour. They will kill themselves, and only fools will weep over what none can avoid." Upon hearing this solution to Lord Brahma's delimna, Lord Shiva began to dance, for until this time, though He had raised His foot, He had never put it down. ......... I especially like this story. This story was told by one who was in the process of being "well greeted" by death, one most would not expect. This story was told by Duryodhana, mortally wounded, hiding by invisibility in the crystal lake. He was full of remorse, yet Sri Sanjaya, who was a mystic who could see everything hidden, and also was fully present while Krsna sang Bhagavad Gita to Arjuna, came to him. It is stated that the acarya is inspired by God to appear to those sincerely desirous of Krsna, and Bhagavad Gita confirms that one who is fully miserable is one of the four types who can have such an appearance by the acarya. This story is why I have a soft spot for Duryodhana, despite his bad press. He has a major role in Krsna Katha (the reality). Not ordinary at all.

whaddya expect from those who need their guru to die bloody death over and over to believe. In what? the right to kill all others who refuse to accept the bloody corpse as god. Good thing Jesus never taught any of this garbage. He actually cursed the christians to never gain his favor. mahak

funny how it went, eh?? First pillar to fall was illicit sex and the STD horrors of AIDS. Then the intoxication and the meth explosion, the most insidious of all drugs. And then of course, the mad cow disease for all those with killer tongues anteeth. Now we get the whole collapse brought about by the fall of truthfulness via gambling. Anyone who has been around must remember, before the cancellation of pious controls, that only bookies from vegas took bets on how the stock market would fare. Now this horror, deregulated into the mainstream, has robbed the poor to pay the rich. The stock market is not pork bellies and silver, and orange juice. Its CDs, and houses sold at extremely inflated prices. So the suckers who bought a $1oo,000 home for $250,000, financed accordingly, cannot pat any more, so the banks take possession of these junk houses and lose the mortgages, and they insist that the taxpayer pay for their gambling debts. I think not. Im proud of the progressives and the far right who have an unheard of alliance on this issue. The leaders of congress, the vegas bookies in the brave new world, want to sucker us into it, but 500 to 1 letters have reached the first term congresspeople and the vote no. As the Jefferson Airplane said, tear down the walls, and pink floyd see the other side of the wall, where the bleedin hearts and artists take their stand. Or, as ron paul predicted, the '89 fall of USSR has chickens comin home to roost, the peace dividend was spent killing the innocent. Good riddence. mad mahax.

Your Island Nation is very special, geologically speaking. It seems that everything expands from your paradise. Here in the Pacific Northwest of the USA, everything is crunching in around us. We are actually getting crushed, which is the nature of our volcanoes. From the African Rift Zone, everything is moving out. I believe that everything comes originally from the Afarian region, Abyssinia (Ethiopia). I believe this is where King Prthu did his Pastimes of Carving the mountains and valleys of the Earth Planet. In the very ancient days, there was only one continent (which actually jives with both the Purana as well as the Plate Techtonics science). The science is that everything moves away from Africa, and it actually seems that your Island could very well be the first place where the Earth cooled enough to allow habitation. Anyway, sorry for my rantings about fasle christians. Im at war with them right now, so I let myself get carried away. Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

This anti-christ false doctrine has infected the whole world. Jesus never spoke of it, nor did he speak of final days or rapture, only controllers invented this garbage to deny the people any way of becoming truely god-conscious. Whenever i read of kalki here, its the same jargon, blue turban, already born somewhere in south america same old christian nonsense that even Lord Jesus rejects with all the fools spouting it off. Kalki is scheduled, and many eons off. Haribol, get rid of the fascist christian garbage. mahak