indulekhadasi

Jai, Pankaja prabhu, you left yesterday! Best of luck! Can't wait to hear your experiences. Please come in when you can and check on us!

Your servant eternally,

indulekhadasi

I feel like crying.

Haribol!

But why are the cows all lined up behind a fence? I hope they were not killed!

That may be, but They have chose you as Their instrument! And therefore you are definitely worthy of my obesiances.

Hey, I got a quick question for you. How many rounds of Nityananda, Gauranga and Hare Krishna do you chant? I just want to familiarize myself with Swami Gaurangapada's ideas, I respect him very much.

LOL...people are mistaking me to be a great personality lately. It makes me laugh, but I hope they are not serious because that would be pretty bad!

I will say that in ISKCON they have bigger demands, but I don't think the initation of other maths is CHEAP. How horrible. Initiation is not a cheap thing.

For example, I chant 16 rounds now, but initiation is not on my mind. I do not want to treat diksha cheaply. I want to make sure I am totally sincere and then take diksha, to fully show the importance of such a big and serious step of life. by Indu

 

No initiation is a cheap thing Indu, exactly. Not one process is lesser. The Guru is free to develop structures to raise his disciple, even methods of diksha may vary. Iskcons demands are not bigger than the process I am following. For example as you know I also chant the names of Nityananda and Gauranga on beads along with the Mahamantra. I have not taken brahman initiation as yet, but when I do it is required to chant 64 rounds of Nityananda and 64 rounds of Gauranga (that is minimum two hours chanting) and then minimum 16 rounds of the Hare Krsna Mahamantra (four hours in total perday). This quota is the recommended daily minimum to be stable on day to day.

 

In the initial stages of shelter diksha the demands were less than Iskcon. And in this regard I took Gaura Naam diksha more quickly, but did accept vows for some basic 4 regs in due course...so it was full maha-diksha. Gurudeva even gave me diskha differently than most other disciples, in that he allowed me to chant less names. He treats each student very personally. Some are allowed to take shelter (ashraya) diksha from Gurudeva, without following regs...and by the gradual purification of Nitaai Gaura Naam oneday take the full maha-diksha when ready (that requires the regs).

 

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta prabhupada orginally gave ashraya initiation into the Holy Name and then gave full diksha for brahmana initiation - gayatri mantras. Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Prabhuapda was most intelligent and pioneering in that he gave diksha into Hari Naam, for the first time in our sampradaya. So we can see that processes can vary from Guru to Guru. This is a much misunderstood point and controversial topic in our sampradaya.

 

I can produce examples and scriptural reference for this. Infact the Guru can choose a mantra to give the dsiciple that best suits the disciple. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura orginally gave his son Srila BHaktisiddhanta initiation into the Nrsingha Mantra when he was a child. There are even examples in Sri Caitanya Caritamrta of devotees performing jaap of Sri Caitanya's Holy Name.

 

From my personal experience I am also awaiting Diksha into the Hare Krsna mahamantra and will not seek that diksha until fully ready within myself. It was a joy to be one of the original disciples in our sangha to take Nitaai-Gaura Naam diksha, by an official initiation. These two Holy Names are so potent, that they cleanse the heart rapidly without considering offences of the chanter. I was most fortuante to receive shelter and diksha into these Names, whilst in a very fallen state. They are so potent within one month of hearing them in a lecture from Gurudeva (which looking back was the real initiation), I broke an 18 year marijuana addiction, and have never looked back. Within four years my chanting of 2000 Holy Names a day, my chanting has increased manifold. Day by day it grew due to Sri Sri Nitaai-Gaura's potency. Our goal in our community is to reach the standard set by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada of 100,000 Holy Names per day. Gurudeva sets this example for us...and if we cannot reach that goal this life we at least honor the lakshesvara devotees deeply and never minimize that standard.

 

I do not think in any way that one institutions diksha procedure is less than the other....Nityananda Prabhu and his representitives distribute mercy as they see fit. I stress again no process is inferior, but each empowered Guru may implement instruction to suit the disciples qualifications, to rapidly give the disciple spiritual advancement. In a sense that is the whole essence of diksha, a new birth.

 

It may take me some time, but I can produce numerous scriptural references to support my points in this post if requested.

Exactly Bija prabhuji, you got my point.

I will say that in ISKCON they have bigger demands, but I don't think the initation of other maths is CHEAP. How horrible. Initiation is not a cheap thing.

For example, I chant 16 rounds now, but initiation is not on my mind. I do not want to treat diksha cheaply. I want to make sure I am totally sincere and then take diksha, to fully show the importance of such a big and serious step of life.

I think that all lactic acid is derived from the built up fluid in the animals muscles.

Yeah...this was my point, also. We learned this in 7th grade science.

I'm not exactly sure what he was asking for either... so I supplied him w/ that example (since there are some rather homosexual overtones in the story).

In my limited understanding, that cannot be considered homosexuality. This is the natural attraction every single human being in the entire universe has for the Supreme Lord whether they are male or female. In the sastras there have been examples of people wanting to taste the Lord through their mouth and drink Him through their eyes etc. This cannot exactly be called homosexuality. This is natural love for the Lord and it occurs no matter in what body one may be in.

I think what he wanted was an example of two mortals in the Lord's lila that got attracted to each other (but not the the Lord, I mean getting attracted to another mortal). I don't really know.

Again, this does not free homosexuals from their impurities. We are ALL impure. We all have lusty desires. Therefore Theist was right. Your example about Lord Rama didn't really meet my needs, because loving the Lord is different from lusty relationships of the material world.

We are all FILLED WITH IMPURITIES.

I think we are all crazy in this material world, homosexual or heterosexual. We all have impure desires.

You have been literally bringing Krishna into people's lives. Please accept my humble obesiances and feelings of gratitude.

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I never knew that both Theist and Radheyradhey would start to fight. This seems to be crossing the border of a difference of opinion and into a fight. A kind reminder to everyone that this is a spiritual forum not a bickering forum. You may not agree with each other, but it proper to respect each other as Vaishnavas.

Thank you.

indulekhadasi

You know when we exercise and then a day later our muscles hurt? That is lactic acid build up. All animals have lactic acid build up in them, and so it is basically an animal derived substance, just like rennet.

Some people think it comes from milk or something, but that is not the case.

When I'm the one making the Prasadam it is

They must be loving it!

I see...thank you very much.

Why are highly confidential letters posted out for everyone to read?

Remember Radhey, what we do now is the perverted reflection of what Krishna does. Love has turned to lust in many cases.

But He didn't fulfill their desire right there and then! Why didn't He? That is my question. Why did He make His dear devotees wait to become gopis, before enjoying with Them?

Are you sure Their main diet is grilled cheese?

Seriously, so funny but so true.

You make me laugh.