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I am very serious and always have been on this subject. My understanding has not changed since 1972

This is how His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada explains this to us.

Srila Prabhupada is saying that our original and perpetual state of being a nitya siddha bodily servant of Krishna, MEANS never falling down, however he is also saying that the memory of being nitya-siddha can be covered over by the choice to imagine your own existence without Krishna, just like one may go into a day dream in their present material body and dream they are a King, while in the meantime their 'dreaming' material body has not moved.

In this way Srila Prabhupada is saying that nitya siddha’s can be covered over only and the memory of being nitya-siddha forgotten, like one forgets their material body while dreaming.

What he means by saying nitya siddha's never fall down, is they are always nitya-siddhas just like the sun is always the sun even though it might be covered by the clouds.

Nitya siddha means eternally liberated or established, so when a nitya siddha becomes covered, like the cloud covers the sun, he becomes eternally conditioned or nitya baddha (due to the cloud covering) however the nitya-siddha body, like the Sun, is eternally there behind the clouds, behind the baddha-jiva consciousness.

In fact most devotees in Goloka never allow their awareness of being nitya-siddha be covered by the selfish nitya baddha sub-conscious dream state.

Therefore most marginal living entities do NOT allow themselves to be covered by non Krishna Conscious desires that manifest their baddha-jiva consciousness because their desire is to always put Krishna first by being absorbed in serving Him as nitya siddha.

Such inconceivable statements are mind-boggling because how is it possible to calculate % of a % in an endless Spiritual creation?

So it is impotant to undertand that ALL nitya-siddhas never leave Goloka or Vaikuntha, some however, imagine and dream they do, BUT NEVER AS THEIR NITYA SIDDHA BODY. Most never enter the world of imagination and therefore never experience the shackles of Maya as nitya baddha.

Therefore, it is due to the cloud covering we cannot see our real eternal nitya-siddha identity because our awareness is now restricted by that cloud covering or nitya-baddha consciousness.

This cloud covering is all we are aware off because it has blocked out the sun. We are not able to see the sun shinning due to the cloud covering the sun. The sun is still there, just as our nitya-siddha body is there in Goloka however; it is not realized because of the cloud cover therefore, we are nitya-baddha.

We can’t be nitya-siddha at this time because we cannot see or be aware of that covered identity.

Therefore our only present awareness of ourselves is solely nitya-baddha and remains so until we remove the dark cloud covering of material desires by replacing them with devotional Krishna Conscious desires.

Then gradually the cloud cover or nitya-baddha dreaming condition is dissipated revealing the sun or our eternal nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious bodily identity eternally serving Krishna.

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Here we go again, YOUR SOUL IS RIGHT HERE, IN YOUR HEART! not in Goloka!

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"You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there"

"You are ever-liberated (nitya-siddha). The sky is always spiritual, but it is sometimes overcrowded with cloud",

Actually, you are NOT conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are thinking. Just like in the dream that tiger is eating you".

All marginal living entities in Vaikuntha can project a hologram version of themselves known as the nitya-baddha consciousness to the dreams of Maha-Vishnu.

This secondary self or baddha-jiva is a living holographic countefeit projection of the living entity that enables one to enter the mahat-tattva and attempt to fulfil their dreams to achieve anything they want

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we were "lost" simply because we chose the material bank of the Viraja River, instead of swimming towards Vaikunthaloka.

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No that is incorrect as Srila Prabhupada clearly explains.

We may have been to the vraj river or even the impersonal Brahmajyoti, but long, long, long before that, we were aware of being ALWAYS with Krishna in Goloka

Srila Prabhupada- "You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there…Try to understand. Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness. ". Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971

 

Srila Prabhupada - "You are ever-liberated (nitya-siddha). The sky is always spiritual, but it is sometimes overcrowded with cloud, Actually, you are NOT conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are thinking. Just like in the dream that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream". (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967)

All marginal living entities in Vaikuntha can project a hologram version of themselves known as the nitya-baddha consciousness.

This secondary self is a living holographic countefeit projection of the living entity that enables one to enter the mahat-tattva and attempt to fulfil their dreams to achieve anything they want, hence, you can have anything, it just may take you a billion life times in the mahat-tattva to achieve it.

And then it fades and becomes as if it never was, moving on again within the cycle of birth and death.

This sub-conscious projection of the self (a living hologram known as the baddha-jiva) is just as real as its nitya siddha bodily origins however, baddha-jivas experience, realities and perception of its existence is temporary and always in the mode of decay within the perishable mahat-tattva it takes shelter in.

The baddha-jiva consciousness manifests as soon as the marginal living entity chooses to serve their own selfish desires instead of Krishna in GOLOKA.

For some the blue words and the red words will appear to be in conflict.:

Yeah, I fixed that, the color code I use ir Blue for Krishna, Vishnu tattvas and internal paraphenalla

Purple for the marginal living entities or all entities who are not Vishnu tattva

Brown for the material energy, mahat-tattva, ethereal vessels, biological vessels and every other kind of vessel within the mahat-tattva or material creation

Red should be used for arguments that one does not agree with Any suggestions?

There is no qustion about it, we all are the devotee pioneers of the internet

No one can show where the sastra says that the jivas originate in Goloka for that would imply that Krsna's eternal associates fall down, which would be impudent.

Firstly Prabhupada, who gave us the correct teachings of all Vedic knowledge, can -

Srila Prabhupada - "We all have come down from Vaikuntha some millions of years ago” Lecture August 6, 1973

Secondly, you ARE one of Krishnas eternal associates but YOU have forgotten this fact long, long, long ago, this is not easy to understand, this is why Prabhupada has explained it as follows -

Srila Prabhupada- "You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there…So actually we are always in the spiritual world. But when you forget Krishna by the cloud of illusion that is material. Try to understand. Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that, "I have nothing to do with. I am simply Krishna's servant. Eternal servant. That's all". In a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971

Srila Prabhupada - "You are liberated. You are liberated. Simply just a cloud has covered you. Drive away the cloud. There is no question that you were ever. You are ever-liberated (nitya-siddha). That, the sky is always spiritual, but it is sometimes overcrowded with cloud, this Maya. This is called Maya. Actually, you are NOT conditioned. You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream". (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967)

I recently heard a lecture by Banu Swami in Melbourne Australia, and even he cannot understand that entering Goloka or Vaikuntha, is something to be regained (he was clearly making out the jiva had never previously been with Krishna that implies we come from the impersonal Brahmajyoti) Many cannot understand this word "regained" You are not alone Beggar.

Banu Swami could not understand that being a pure devotee is the eternal svarupa of ALL living entities and that IS our eternal constitutional position, it IS something to be regained, remembered, re-established.

Banu Swami gave many devotees the wrong understanding that most of us have never been with Krishna and that the 'jiva-soul' has come from the impersonal Brahmajyot and now must earn its right to enter Vaikuntha. This impersonal origins is NOT what Prabhupada has taught us - I did not like this aspect of his class at all even though he is a very learned humble selfless Vaishnava

We are already liberated right now, we are with Krishna right now, we just have to REMEMBER who we really are instead of living in our own baddha-jiva imaginary dream creations, Srila Prabhupada is telling us

Thirdly, most will never understand this subject no matter how expertise it is written. Without the causeless kindness and mercy of one's Spiritual Master, the origin of the jiva soul will always remain a mystery and hidden secret from them, or maybe the Spiritual Master does not reveal this such knowledge to everyone because it is not nessessary for everyone to know, after all we all have different personal individual relationships with Krishna - Your quote Beggar sums this up,

"The real guru is expert at applying these apparently contradictory concepts for the correct time, place and circumstance because he has a mature, developed relationship with Krsna.

He is experiencing the real bliss of chanting the holy name of Krsna and we are all hankering after that experience.

This is what we are really after, not being right or correct about the origin of the soul question.

And besides even if we are correct, it can only be hollow words for us because we are not actually experiencing the spiritual reality".

Very well and excellently said Beggar, even Hari Sauri Prabhu (I am presently reading his books and I advice you and everyone else on this web site to get a copy of his Transcendental Diaries if you want to understand the mood of Srila Prabhupada), who I admire as one of Prabhupada's best disciples in understanding his books, would like the way you have explained this.

Hari Sauri Prabhu has told the devotees on many occasions over the years, that only our service (Bhakti) and purity can reveal the truth of Krishna Consciousness and not jnan alone

And as Beggar also wrote - "And besides even if we are correct, it can only be hollow words for us because we are not actually experiencing the spiritual reality".

Interestingly in the sastra we are told that the jivas originate from the tatastha sakti.

 

We can waste our time eternally establishing and defeating all the statements about the soul's origin.

 

The real guru will mention what is said in the sastra briefly but it is all in the context of engaging his disciples in bhajan - practical devotional service.

 

If we have become arm chair philosophers then this is something to lament.

Interesting reading however I would just like to make a short comment

Marginal - The living entities or jiva-tatasthas (of whom their full potential is nitya-siddha in Goloka) are perpetually independent and eternally have the free will to accept or reject Krishna. Marginal means they have the choice to be with Krishna as who they really are (nitya-siddha) or manifest their own imaginary world as nitya-baddha in the mahat-tattva.

Having choice as a marginal living entity (jiva-tatastha), is what it really means to be in-between the Superior and inferior.

The marginal aspect of the creation is not a place or plain, but rather the individual jiva's who ARE the tatastha s'aktis or 'so called' marginal individual living beings, who can choose to be aware of their eternal bodily identity serving Krishna in Goloka.

Or they can forget their eternal identity and only be aware of the restrictions of chasing their own selfish desires, thoughts and imaginary worlds within Maha-Vishnu's temporary DREAM perishable creation of Maha Vishnu known as the mahat-tattva material worlds.

He is head of the GBC, does anyone know anything about him??

Yeah his my old mate, we travelled all over Australia and India together, leads a good kirtan and gave inspiring classes

I remember one Prabhupada disciple telling me how he knew that in his previous life he had parents who were demi-gods. I had one where I had parents who were demi-gods but i was an asura. Prabiupada was from Goloka yet He came here in this World, He did'nt fall. SO i guess we dont fall from Goloka but from somewhere else. If you say we fell from Goloka then you would have to be a pure devotee, as only pure devotees exist in Goloka.

Actually you are a pure devotee but you have forgotten that long, long, long ago, we have allowed ourselves to be covered by the cloud of selfish desires that blocks out our memory of who we really are.

Try to understand what Prabhupada is telling us.

Srila Prabhupada- "You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there…So actually we are always in the spiritual world. But when you forget Krishna by the cloud of illusion that is material. Try to understand. Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that, "I have nothing to do with. I am simply Krishna's servant. Eternal servant. That's all". In a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971

Srila Prabhupada - "You are liberated. You are liberated. Simply just a cloud has covered you. Drive away the cloud. There is no question that you were ever. You are ever-liberated. That, the sky is always spiritual, but it is sometimes overcrowded with cloud, this Maya. This is called Maya. Actually, you are not conditioned. You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream". (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967)

"Everyone knows that this body will be finished. Suppose if somebody comes immediately with some weapon and if he says, “I shall finish your body,” so immediately we shall be facing some danger. But it is known to us that this body will be finished.

 

That means the danger is ahead. I may meet the danger… Today or tomorrow or hundred years after, the danger is awaiting. So what we are going to stop the danger? That is intelligence.

 

A cat and dog, an animal, cannot protect them from the danger of death. But a human being, they also try to… Animals they also try to save themself from danger, but they cannot do very nicely, but a human being tries and can stop. So every intelligent person should know that “The danger is there. I do not want that danger.

 

 

 

Then how to stop it?” That is intelligence.

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The above is a load of bitter, faithless envious nonsense. The only way to make this world a better place is by recognizing and glorifying God (Sri Krsna Caitanya), but only a true devotee can understand that as explained below -.

The Spiritual world is always full of such opulence as Prabhupada’s wonderful presentation of Mayapur is proving.

 

This wonderful transcendental manifestation of Lord Caitanya’s abode, is the central point of all genuine Spirituality on this planet and in this universe, some of us just have not realized the significance of Mayapur yet because their eyes have not been blessed with Bhakti and the chanting of Hare Krsna, which are the easiest way to know and serve God on the highest level in this degraded age of Kali yuga.

 

The appearance of a Golden Age within this Kali-yuga, in which Lord Caitanya appears, is very, very rare.

 

This manifestation of Mayapur and Lord Caitanya Himself only manifests in one Kali-yuga within evey day of Brahma.

Devotees of Lord Caitanya a very, very rare, take advantage of their association. If you are near a Temple, go and chant Hare Krsna in front of the Dieties with the devotees and then honor prasadam.

Don't waste this rare human form and ignore devotees. Just leave your false ego at the front door of the Temple in what ever country you are in and just humbly chant Hare Krishna with the devotees. Every step you take towards Krsna, He will take a hundred thousnd steps towards you!! Somehow, even in disguise if nessessary, always associate with devotee of Sri Krsna Caitanya

Dime a dozen characters. Sad state of affairs.

such fools are 'god' spelt backwards

 

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There were mystical powers, huge cities floating in the air at the same time the biological evolutionary process was going on the floor of the planet that the 'celestials Vedic universal travellers' left alone.

The idea that Satya-yuga, Treta and the earlier parts of Dvapara-yuga, even though on this planet, existed in a higher realm of material reality distinguished from the mundane evolution of us humans and the lower species of life going happening on the planets surface, sounds correct?

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However, does the Srimad Bhagavatam support this theory?

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Lila's mother Susan Manning, sister Marie and brother Bhisma mourn as her body is prepared for cremation.

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"Lila" Salter died surrounded by the sound of sacred songs, the smell of incense and with her wounded head ringed with garlands.

The Australian teenager's three-day fight for life after being shot at close range by a stalker in the north Indian town of Vrindavan ended early yesterday.

Lila's mother Susan Manning, father Ian Salter and brothers and sisters were with her when she died, along with many supporters from the Hare Krishna movement she was a part of.

Her brother Zardi Manning said the holy chants being recited by loved ones where Lila lay reached a peak as she died.

"It was very amazing and beautiful," he told The Age. "She was very peaceful. It was exactly what she would have wanted."

Zardi then accompanied his sister's body while an autopsy was conducted by local authorities before a traditional Hindu funeral and cremation could begin.

"I'm being as strong as I can right now," he said. "But it's going to take a lifetime to get over this."

Zardi was at the house where Lila was attacked and had to resuscitate her several times while she was rushed to hospital.

Their grieving mother, who lives on the Gold Coast when she is not in India, said there was a sense of relief when Lila died.

"It's a good thing that she is now free," Ms Manning said.

The family says her killer, Saurav Singh, 28, had stalked her for several years before first raping her and then shooting her with a pistol early on Saturday.

She was rushed to a New Delhi hospital but specialist doctors said she was brain dead. Using an ambulance with life support equipment, the family then took Lila back to the holy city of Vrindavan to die.

She spent the last day of her life on life support at a property called the Mayapur Vrindavan Trust, where Hindu pilgrims are accommodated.

The family, who are all Hare Krishna devotees, wanted Lila to die in Vrindavan, the place where the deity Krishna is believed to have been raised.

"It's our belief that if a person dies here they are going to heaven," Ms Manning said.

"By doing this we have turned something so bad into something more positive."

She had hoped to avoid an autopsy on her daughter's body but local authorities insisted one be carried out.

When the autopsy was finished the body was prepared for a ritual procession to the holy Yamuna River for cremation. It was covered with richly coloured cloth and garlands.

"We feel that she is in God's hands," said her mother.

"God will now take care of her."

Ms Manning wept as she helped prepare the body for the funeral ceremony.

The dead woman's father Ian Salter joined with a large gathering of friends and family around the body who were singing spiritual songs.

The body was then carried in a small ambulance, followed by a large procession, to a local temple where Lila liked to worship.

Her brothers carried her body on a palanquin around the temple three times before the procession headed through the holy city of Vrindavan to the river for cremation.

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In the assembly of the Kurus, when Krsna went to Duryodhana's party with a proposal for peace between the Pandavas and the Kauravas, Duryodhana thought, "Now we have our golden chance. If I can put Krsna in the prison-house now, then the Pandavas will die broken-hearted, and there will be no question of fighting with them." The Kauravas also joined in the scheme, and they told Duhsasana, "Go and bind Krsna with this rope." Duhsasana came with the rope in his hand and tried to bind Krsna. Satyaki, Krsna's attendant, was there, and he furiously came at Duhsasana with a sword. Krsna peacefully caught hold of his hand, and began to manifest himself in such a way that it perplexed Duhsasana .

When Duhsasana saw the universal form displayed by Krsna, he thought, "So many figures appear before me. On whom shall I put the rope? Who shall I bind down?" So many figures were displayed by Krsna in his universal form. On one side there was Baladeva and on another side stood Arjuna, and so many revered risis, chanting Krsna's name. Duhsasana was perplexed. And Bhisma and Drona began to sing in praise of Krsna. Everyone thought, "What is this? This is a magnificent vision, with so many faces!" The whole atmosphere was filled with the divine spirit. Then, Devarsi Narada and so many risis began to chant in praise of Krsna. And in this way Krsna manifested his universal form before the assembly.

Dhrtarastra was blind, but he could hear them all praising Krsna, and thought to himself, "Some sort of wonderful things are happening around me, but I can't see." And so, he prayed to Krsna. "O Lord, for the moment please remove my blindness. I would like to see your great manifestation. Afterwards, you can make me blind again, but at least for the time being, remove my blindness." Krsna told him, "There is no necessity of removing your blindness. I say that you can see, and you can see." By the Lord's will alone, even physical blindness was no bar to seeing that great manifestation of Krsna. So, the physical eye can't see God: only the divine eye can see him. And by the will of Krsna, the divine eye was temporarily given to Dhrtarastra. His blindness did not stand in the way of his vision, and he could see Krsna. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Wonderful pastime

People should be informed that Christianity is a man-made religion and that because of such it has no real value for spiritual advancement. Preaching means philosophical war against ignorance. Truth will set us free!

Found in the Srimad Bhagavatam, Gita etc

Srila Narayana Maharaja Mathura, October 24, 1999:

"We can glorify Swamiji, Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. But those who are falling down, how can they glorify him? They cannot glorify him, never; they are cutting. They are establishing that he was the founder of ISKCON, but I know that he was not founder, he was one of the members of this in guru parampara. It was founded by Krishna, and first acarya was Brahma, then Narada, then Vyasa. Only he has changed the name and he has preached these things in Western countries."

 

Narayana Maharaja Murwillumbah, Australia: Feb. 18, 2002 (eve):

"Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami Maharaja, only changed the name into English. He is not the founder-acarya of that eternal ISKCON... I am ISKCON. I'm not different from ISKCON. I am 'Bhaktivedanta' [srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja]. Like father, like son. I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other. You should know this very openly. I am Bhaktivedanta and he is Bhaktivedanta, but he received this name after I did. I'm senior to him in this regard... I'm Bhaktivedanta, and I'm also ISKCON. Don't think that I'm out of ISKCON."

 

Hey Suchandra keep it Krishna Conscious, first the Yogananda crap and now stirring with the above comments.

 

Hari Sauri was there in Mayapur when Narayana Maharaj said he is not ISKCON AND THAT HE IS GAUDIYA MATH!!

 

Narayana Maharaj is not ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada is ISKCON.

 

In 1978 at a Gaudiya math Temple they tried the same nonsense Nararanya Maharaj pulled at Murwillumbah and I got into a heated argument with this old sannyasi - they are envious of Prabhupada's achievements. They actually laughed at Prabhupada when he first went to America and when he was successful they said - "oh that is not the doing of Bhaktivedanta Swami, that is Krishna's doing, it is not Swamiji's credit"

 

These Gaudiya math men are so envious of Prabhupada

 

I pray that ISKCON leaders are smart enough to NEVER allow the Gaudiya math to pollute Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON and not only try to take credit, but also claim to be representing HIS ISKCON.

 

 

A Hindu Temple?

BY: MAHAVIDYA DASA (ACBSP)

 

Jan 18, UK (SUN) —

 

I'm interested to know why my local temple, Bhaktivedanta Manor,

is constantly being presented to the public as a Hindu temple.

After all,

Bhaktivedanta Manor is one of Srila Prabhupada's many ISKCON temples.

Can anyone remember when Srila Prabhupada tirelessly campaigned to promote His ISKCON as a Hindu organisation?

Having said that,

There is no doubt in my mind that Srila Prabhupada sought to engage Hindus in His ISKCON.

There is also no doubt in my mind that, more importantly, Srila Prabhupada sought to engage EVERYONE in His ISKCON.

Hindus, Christians, Muslims, Jews, even the atheists.

Srila Prabhupada did teach us about Hinduism, that's for sure, as much as he taught us about other religions, about impersonalism, about everything.

We may consider ourselves "experts" on the subject of Hinduism.

We may even consider ourselves "experts" on the subject of impersonalism.

But..

When ISKCON is constantly being presented as a Hindu society,

I consider this a gross misrepresentation of the teachings of Srila Prabhupada.

Are we to convince Muslims, Christians, Jews or atheists to become Hindus?

Certainly not.

Srila Prabhupada constantly stressed the non-sectarian nature of Krishna consciousness.

I have never read in any of Srila Prabhupada"s books or heard Him ever instruct us to become Hindus.

He taught us the science of Krishna consciousness, the science of self-realisation.

So why is ISKCON being misrepresented as a Hindu society?

Why do my local temple managers (this includes Kripamoya das) continue to promote Srila Prabhupada's temple, His institution, as Hindu?

One answer that comes to my mind is the financial benefits.

And just who profits from those?

The "leaders" who promote grossly or subtly this misrepresentation.

Let's look at who those "leaders" are.

Kripamoya das is only one example.

He is considered a senior devotee and disciple of Srila Prabhupada here in the UK.

He is involved in the congregational development.

He is considered a leader,

Yet... I have yet to hear him speak up against the present situation at Bhaktivedanta Manor. I have yet to hear him speak up against the misrepresentation of his Guru's society.

Why is that?

Well... His family are some of the principal financial beneficiaries.

Enough of Mahavidya dasa,

Let's hear what Srila Prabhupada has to say.

I am only providing a sample representation of Srila Prabhupada's teaching.

All the following quotes may be found in

Siksamrta

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A compilation of Srila Prabhupada's letters.

 

 

• On Hinduism - Volume 2, Preaching to the Indian Community:
  "I am trying to implement the truth in this part of the world and it is the duty of the Hindus and Indians to help me in all respects."
  
  
  Srila Prabhupada Letter to Sri Krishnaji, March 25, 1967
  
  
  "Of course, there are many Indians who may be delighted to have a Hindu temple there, but we are especially interested in something else. Our plan is not to sponsor the Hindus or any other individual group. Our real purpose is to spread Krishna consciousness."
  
  
  Srila Prabhupada Letter to Yamuna, May 27, 1969
  
  
  "I am not very interested to establish a Hindu temple. Perhaps you know from the very beginning I never described my movement as Hindu religion."
  
  
  Srila Prabhupada Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969
  
  
  "We should not anymore think in terms of Hindu society. If we limit ourselves to Hindus then there will be many competitors like Christians, Mohammedans, Buddhists and so on. But if we preach the philosophy of Krishna consciousness in right earnest, it will be accepted throughout the whole world."
  
  
  Srila Prabhupada Letter to Sriman Bankaji, March 13, 1970
  
  
  "Regarding the Hindu centres in the foreign countries, none of them are bona fide. There is similar hodge podge center in London. Actually, Hindus and non-Hindus, everyone is at the present moment out of touch of the real science of spiritual knowledge."
  
  
  And...
  
  
  "The difficulty has become more acute on account of Rama-Krishna Mission's preaching that any opinion about religion is all right."
  
  
  Srila Prabhupada Letter to Jayapataka, April 17, 1970
  
  
  "We must avoid the risk of a separatist movement, unity is our purpose; just like in London where the Indians are starting their own Radha-Krishna temple. We want to avoid skin disease and the Indian people are like the tannery expert."
  
  
  Srila Prabhupada Letter to Sriman Hariprasad Badruka, March 5, 1973

Kripamoya and his wife are both receiving independent salaries. He is a manager. His good wife teaches in the school. (She has been offered a position in the new Hindu school. Ref:

Racism in ISKCON

.)

 

The Manor management refuses to disclose any information on who gets what.

 

Here is what Srila Prabhupada said on the subject of financial remuneration....

 

• "Any householder devotee who is working full time ( with his wife ) as a sankirtana book distributor, or temple managerial duties, artist, cook etc, shall be provided food shelter, and other bare minimum necessities by the temple itself. They should not cook their own meals separate from the temple meals. If they have children, then some minimal allowance may be given according to the number of children. If they want anything extra or over and above what the temple president sees as absolute necessity, then they should work outside--the temple cannot pay for anything beyond the bare necessities. And definitely, the BBT cannot pay any salary to anybody. Our philosophy is "simple living and high thinking"---not sense gratification. The temple president and leaders (elder students) must show this by example. Temple or ashrama means for renunciation and renounced persons. If one is engaged in self-realisation process, then his material necessities become almost nil. Persons who do not like this can work outside."
  
  
  Srila Prabhupada Letter to Kirtiraja 12 01 1975

And on the subject of weddings...

 

• "We should not allow anyone to hold any function in our temple, otherwise than Vaisnava principle."
  
  
  Srila Prabhupada Letter to Hamsaduta, October 10, 1968
  
  
  "Uninitiated couples cannot be married by us. We shall not take the responsibility of ordinary marriage maker. Our practise is to help devotees for advancing in Krishna consciousness ."
  
  
  Srila Prabhupada Letter to Jaya Gopal, January 11, 1970
  
  
  "Regarding using our temple for Marriage ceremonies for the Hindu community, if they contribute something to the temple they can use the temple and perform the marriage with their own priest, but we cannot take responsibility for marrying others who are not initiated by us."
  
  
  Srila Prabhupada Letter to Upendra, May 25, 1970
  
  
  "You can allow the sacrifice in the Manor for Mrs. Mehta, but as with the weddings they must pay for the room.( Don't have it in the temple room.) She can bring her own brahmanas.
  
  
  Srila Prabhupada Letter to Patita Uddarana das, February 3, 1975
  
  
  "Concerning marriages in the Bombay center as a means of income, if it does not disturb the daily routine then it can be done. However, the marriages cannot take place before the deity in the temple."
  
  
  Srila Prabhupada Letter to Surabhi, May 20, 1976

 

 

 

interesting KRISHNA story theist, 99% of the time you talk about Krishna, Its devotees like you that keep me on this thread. I want to advance in Krishna Consciousness. If it is NOT about Krishna then the thread is not worth reading!!

The fact is Jesus has passed the batton on to a new generation, a new Religion to the West. There is no need to read the Bible anymore now that we have the Srimad Bhagavatam etc

Hey lets move on, christanity has had their two thousand years, out the old and in with the new (the original). Its now the Golden Age of Lord Caitanya.

I'm sick of seeing mundane Christian, Jewish and Muslim nonsense on these threads

HARE KRISHNA!!

Seaching around and found this, SOME Krishna katha!! too many mundane topics at the moment - give us a break from the Christian and mayavardi!

Wait a minute, near the end of that purport, look at this:

"In the Sāńkhya-kaumudī it is stated that unalloyed goodness or transcendence is just opposite to the material modes. All living entities there are eternally associated without any break, and the Lord is the chief and prime entity."

I know Sarva gattah is going to say that they are just dreaming that there is a break in their association with the Lord. But then why would such a thing be stated in the first place? .

Free will

interesting, try to quote this please if you can or want

 

anyway that 10% percent is a very big number, endless

Quote:

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0>Originally Posted by CCC

Is it possible to falldown from the spiritual world (Vaikuntha) ? NO

Can I come by my free will to the material world from Vaikuntha or Goloka? YES

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Why is Krishna blue? Clearly there are contradictory statements. But who cares, looks like people live quite happily with all these contradictions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

suchandra PRABHU, YOU ARE AN INSPIRING SOUL.

As a famous musical duo who also chanted Hare Krishna wrote and sang,

In his book Laghu-bhagavatamrta, Srila Rupa Gosvami has enumerated the following twenty-five lila-avataras: Catuh-sana, Narada, Varaha, Matsya, Yajna, Nara-Narayana, Kapila, Dattatreya, Hayasirsa (Hayagriva), Hamsa, Prsnigarbha, Rsabha, Prthu, Nrsimha, Kurma, Dhanvantari, Mohini, Vamana, Parasu rama, Raghavendra, Vyasa, Balarama, Krsna, Buddha and Kalki.

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not mentioned as a lila-avatara because He is an incarnation in disguise (channa-avata-ra) In this way, He only rarely appear in a Kali Yuga in the disguise of a humble Vaishava sanyasi.

In the particular age of Kali yuga He appears (one out of many thousands of Kali-yugas), He is known as the Golden Avatar incarnation of the Lord manifesting AS Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This has been explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam."

In his book Laghu-bhagavatamrta, Srila Rupa Gosvami has enumerated the following twenty-five lila-avataras: Catuh-sana, Narada, Varaha, Matsya, Yajna, Nara-Narayana, Kapila, Dattatreya, Hayasirsa (Hayagriva), Hamsa, Prsnigarbha, Rsabha, Prthu, Nrsimha, Kurma, Dhanvantari, Mohini,

Vamana, Parasu rama, Raghavendra, Vyasa, Balarama, Krsna, Buddha and Kalki.

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not mentioned as a lila-avatara because He is an incarnation in disguise (channa-avata-ra) In this way, He only rarely appear in a Kali Yuga in the disguise of a humble Vaishava sanyasi.

In the particular age of Kali yuga He appears (one out of many thousands of Kali-yugas), He is known as the Golden Avatar incarnation of the Lord manifesting AS Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This has been explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam."