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  1. In my local ashramas most of the cooking is done by women. I never thought about it when I was a bramachari. They are devotees, not women really, eh? I think we should be more concerned with how do we see these devotees, are they eternal spirit souls or are they the bodies they inhabit? If the foodstuffs are offered and accepted by the Lord, is it just still food or is it Prasadam?


    Are you talking about taking unoffered foods or Prasadam? If it is unoffered, does it make that much difference if it was cooked by a man or a woman, it isn't Prasadam and as a pucca bramachari you shouldn't eat it. If it is Prasadam it seems a bit offensive to me to try and make any distinction between man or woman who cooked it.


    Maybe the best thing in this situation is for you to offer to cook and offer the food to the Lord yourself, and your hosts could get some benefit from your service, both in Prasadam and a tasty meal. And of course do the dishes as well :)

  2. I had dreads for 8 years. I loved my dreads, they were a roadmap to where I had been. Anyhow, Indian laborors in Jamaca likely brought many aspects of what has become Rastafarianism to Jamaca, including dreadlocks. So there is some connection withLord Shiva and Bob Marley :) I was listening to Uprising on the way to the temple yesterday. Forever Loving Jah! Not to mention strict rastas are vegetarians. Theists.

  3. It seems to me that someone even taking a primary step toward the Lord is worthy of high respect and even worship, certainly the service they may do is worshipable, no? So even though the teachings Jesus brings may be lower in relation to some other sadhu, does that mean we disrespect Him and minimize His position? That seems offensive to me. Some people only can hear from Lord Jesus, the Lord is descending in that way to give His mercy, should we disrespect that? Srila Swami Maharaj said He is shaktavesh, is He wrong?


    I can understand not wanting to mix religions, being chaste to our line, but my Gurudeva has spoken that Lord Christ has given the western devotees so much and appreciated that the devotees pay their respects to Lord Jesus on the celebration of His appearance.


    And in our own preaching, being able to use the goodness that is the foundation of most people's Christian roots to give some connection and understanding to those we meet seems to me to always be a positive thing. I have had many wonderful talks with Christians about Lord Caitanya that started as a discussion about Christ.


    We shoud be careful in our criticisms of others, especially personalities such as Lord Jesus. Would I ever have been receptive to the devotees had I not had the mercy of Lord Jesus? I think that is a good question for all westerners interested in Krishna Consciousness. Not that we remain Christians, but respect our first teachers in this lifetime.


    I got so many instructions from the cure song, called the forest,


    come closer and see

    see into the trees

    find the girl

    while you can

    come closer and see

    see into the dark

    just follow your eyes

    just follow your eyes


    i hear her voice

    calling my name

    the sound is deep

    in the dark

    i hear her voice

    and start to run

    into the trees

    into the trees


    into the trees


    suddenly i stop

    but i know it's too late

    i'm lost in a forest

    all alone

    the girl was never there

    it's always the same

    i'm running towards nothing

    again and again and again



    Its like the girl is Maya devi, enticing, tricking us into the forest of illusions, but then the girl was never there

    it's always the same

    i'm running towards nothing

    again and again and again


    so instructive, this helped me on the path so much,..


    No doubt! I also had the same feelings about that song. Makes me want to put on some dary eyeliner and dye my hair black (if I had any left that is). :o


    Making such offensive statements, by copying the offensiveness from “Prabupada”, it doesn’t legitimate this dogma introduced by him.


    It is one thing to disagree and debate, but you just crossed the line. I hope you are happy far from the spiritual world, because that is what that type of attitude will get you. That you don't understand the pure devotee's instructions is understandable, I can't claim I do, but that you, without any shelter of a diksa Guru, will take the position of calling exhalted Vaisnavas 'offensive' is sure to kill whatever you've got growing there.

  6. Anadi Prabhu: I would never claim to be a servant of the servant but wish to aspire reach that position after many, many lifetimes. My actual position is I am a servant of my senses and my own false ego, and even when I think I'm feeling devotion it is more likely emotion. If you feel you can make the claim of being a devotee then good for you. I don't consider that an easy position to attain.



    Anyways, it is *this* brand of Islam which ought be getting all the attention rather than the radical, violent minorities, wouldn't you agree?


    Dandavats Prabhuji,


    Yes, I completely agree. It is a crying shame that beauty is displaced by brutality. When someone says 'Islam' in the west instead of thinking of people who are devoted and pious like many Muslims the world over we normally think of someone holding a gun. Really, really sad.

  8. I was really surprised no one responded to this. Is it that Islam is so out of the range of our experiences? Prior to joining the devotees I was very attracted to Sufism and particulary the poetry and dance. Just wondering who else had any appreciation for some elements if Islam. I always liked how carpetmakers and artists would make such intricate designs but leave flaws as to not try and challenge the prefection of the Lord. Anyhow.


    Imagine if a devotee started a Prahupadaism cult, and argued against Prahupada disciples, claimed that Srila Prabhupada died for our sins, and this devotee views became widespread. Then 400 years after Prahupada's disappearance this devotee's followers vote to make Srila Prabhupada God, and this view dominated. And this devotees writing became "sastra". Would you accept that?


    I hate to say it but I can imagine that!


    HerServant....nice, informative perspective on Good Friday (I remembered!).


    The question I've had about the relationship of Judas to Jesus...is this a "pastime" in the same sense that Vaisnava accounts are, where the parties involved are playing roles in order to demonstrate and establish a great principle of truth?


    Seems to me that it was...in order for Jesus to complete his mission, he had to have an antagonistic person near him who would commit the act of betrayal.


    Of course, traditional Christianity portrays Judas as the ultimate symbol of evil, who now rots eternally in the deepest pit of hell.


    What's your take?


    All Glories to Lord Jesus Christ!


    Srila Guru Maharaj: Do you know of Judas in the Christian



    Disciple: Yes, he betrayed Jesus.


    Srila Guru Maharaj: When Jesus was praying in the garden before

    his crucifixion, Judas approached him with the scribes and priests in

    order to betray him, identifying that Messiah with a kiss. Suddenly,

    Jesus cast his glance towards Judas in such an impressive way – he

    penetrated Judas. And Judas thought to himself, “I am caught, I shall

    be responsible for Jesus Christ’s demise,” but still Jesus’ vision to me

    was something more like: “I am exploiting you Judas. It is not that

    you are exploiting me, rather I am utilising you as a traitor to show the

    greatness of my life to the future world.”


    Jesus has already said (at his last supper), “Amongst these

    twelve disciples one will betray me.” He knew. Judas had been there

    then and Jesus had cast his glance towards Judas. Then later, when

    Judas came with the soldiers and scribes to the garden of Gethsemene

    to capture him, Jesus had cast his glance towards Judas once again and

    was thinking, “You think you are exploiting me for some money but I

    am exploiting you for eternity. You have to stand out as a sinful

    person against me, I knew you were a traitor, but I did not disclose

    you. I still took you within my group of followers knowing full well

    that I am exploiting you.” The look of Jesus was like that.


    Judas was crazed. He threw away the sack of silver. He ran to

    the authorities and said, “I have committed the worst sin, I cannot

    tolerate it!”


    Judas’ energy was drunk, his spirit was drawn. Just like in

    Jujitsu, when someone attacks the opposition with great force, but the

    opposition suddenly withdraws, causing the attacking person to fall on

    their face – Judas found himself in that sort of position. Jesus was

    exchanging love for betrayal. It was the sort of love that disarmed and

    sent Judas mad. “I treated him so wickedly, yet his look is not one of

    vindictiveness but of infinite gratitude. That sort of look Jesus cast

    upon me.”


    In the perfect vision, in the full-fledged consideration, every

    atom is helping the Pastimes of Krishna. Whether it is direct or

    indirect – and although it seems to be indirect at present – a deeper

    vision will reveal that it is coming towards direct service.

  11. Anadi, it is all about the proper mood. All our activities could be bhakti if we had the proper mood. You wish to differentiate some activities from others, Shovelling sand from one place to another is bhakti if I am following the instructions of my bona fide spiritual master in the proper mood. So please get over the specifics of the action. Abandon all worldly activities and simple engage in the the Divine service of the Lord by serving His servants. And if the instructions from His servants is to take a role in a play as a sudra, then we should happily do that if we have the proper mood.

  12. Eating isn't a part of bhakti, unless you offer it to the Lord. Then it becomes prasadam, and a part of your bhakti. Alone varnashrama dharma or anything else is sepparate from bhakti unless you connect it to the Lord. Renouncing all duties pertaining to the world doesn't mean renounce all duties pertaining to the Lord. If Guru says to do something, we do that. If he says institute daiva varnashrama dharma, then doing so is bhakti because we are following the order of the spiritual master. Through surrender we follow.


    THe only thing that concerns me about minimum income etc. is experiencing old age as devotee. You know...not being able to afford an appropriate retirement home (to be taken care of when the body starts shutting down).


    It would be nice to have access to funds to have this organised. Otherwise all that would be available here is a place where they feed you corned beef, poatatoes and peas and things like that.


    Maybe braj....your dream village could include retirement homes for devotees to make sure this doesn't happen (corned beef and potatoes) when they lose self-empowerment to some degree.


    Nice plates of Maha-prasada before afternoon nap would be paradise. Oh...and ofcourse some Hari-bhajan instead of the old time parish choir sing-along! :rolleyes2:


    Ah, definitely Prabhu! What would a mobile home park be without senior citizens? ;)

  14. OK, so here I'm really dreaming...


    I would maybe start a mobile home park for devotees, with the homes arranged in a tilak shape, with a Tulasi garden/greenhouse where the tulasi leaf would be. In the center another garden and maybe space for a cow.


    Mobile homes only because I don't know how to build proper houses, it would be quicker that way. Devotees could buy them back from me at cost if they like so they own their own place so they don't feel at anyone's whim. I'd make the land a non-profit corporation. I'd hire a proper ksatriya-like property manager who would keep everything running well and people from going totally feral. A central gazeebo that could serve as an outdoor temple would also be there, though I would hope a proper pujari would be available and only have a permanent deity installation if my Gurudeva wanted it.


    It would be for all devotees, not just those following perfectly. Like a home away from home where devotees could associate but not have to maintain the strict standards like living in a proper ashram. I know lots of devotees that can't live in the temple for various reasons, this would be for them/me. Watsonville Ca. maybe.




    I would probably suffer a materialistic urge....

    Yep, that's the risk. I may have some high stuff in mind now but once I have the possibility of buying that new Ferrari, ya know, who could say what I might do? I'm in this place essentially because I did have that opportunity for the most valuable thing and chose the materialistic route anyway. Maybe I already have a billion pounds.... of anarthas :crying2:


    One time an old friend saw me with my hand in the bag (it looks like you have a long hand that droops down kinda if you didn't know).


    He said to me..."Oh God...what happened to your hand...are you allright?"


    I replied "this is a bead bag, it contains beads which I chant on for yoga."


    He gave me an even stranger look then!:rolleyes:


    Yeah, I've definitely been there before: "what happened to your hand, bro?" :wacko:


    Such a high and perfect standard.


    Yeah, but I constantly find myself bargaining with the Lord: 'Lord, please do this for me then I will be in a better position to serve you", always defaulting to desiring to be served instead of the servant. Even when I am making some attempt at service :crying2:

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