Persons who have got by heart almost everything Srila Prabhupada wrote, said, etc.... in Spiritual Discussions Posted February 5, 2007 · Report reply I don,t request privacy but only freedom from a cyber stalker like you. Do you realize this has been going on since way back in the late ninties on VNN. That is 8 years plus of you posting the same quotes and never hearing the quotes that are offered in return. Cyber stalker indeed! I rarely post at all. I would also point out that for 8 years I have consistantly quoted from shastra and the words of our acaryas to prove any point made. I POST under my own name. I AM NOT HIDING FROM ANYONE . On theother hand for more than 8 years you have refused to use anything but a pen name. Someone told me you are Maitreya from Seattle. Whoever you are, believe what you will but don't expect immunity when you spout apasiddhanta in a public forum like this, which invites discussions. Srila Krsna das Kaviraj and His Dvine Grace advise us in this regard: TEXT 117 siddhanta baliya citte na kara alasa iha ha-ite krsne lage sudrdha manasa SYNONYMS siddhanta--conclusion; baliya--considering; citte--in the mind; na kara--do not be; alasa--lazy; iha--this; ha-ite--from; krsne--in Lord Krsna; lage--becomes fixed; su-drdha--very firm; manasa--the mind. TRANSLATION A sincere student should not neglect the discussion of such conclusions, considering them controversial, for such discussions strengthen the mind. Thus one's mind becomes attached to Sri Krsna. PURPORT There are many students who, in spite of reading the Bhagavad-gita, misunderstand Krsna because of imperfect knowledge and conclude Him to be an ordinary, historical personality. This one must not do. One should be particularly careful to understand the truth about Krsna. If because of laziness one does not come to know Krsna conclusively, one will be misguided about the cult of devotion, like those who declare themselves advanced devotees and imitate the transcendental symptoms sometimes observed in liberated souls. Although the use of thoughts and arguments is a most suitable process for inducing an uninitiated person to become a devotee, neophytes in devotional service must always alertly understand Krsna through the vision of the revealed scriptures, the bona fide devotees and the spiritual master. Unless one hears about Sri Krsna from such authorities, one cannot make advancement in devotion to Sri Krsna. The revealed scriptures mention nine means of attaining devotional service, of which the first and foremost is hearing from authority. The seed of devotion cannot sprout unless watered by the process of hearing and chanting. One should submissively receive the transcendental messages from spiritually advanced sources and chant the very same messages for one's own benefit as well as the benefit of one's audience. When Brahma described the situation of pure devotees freed from the culture of empiric philosophy and fruitive actions, he recommended the process of hearing from persons who are on the path of devotion. Following in the footsteps of such liberated souls, who are able to vibrate real transcendental sound, can lead one to the highest stage of devotion, and thus one can become a maha-bhagavata. From the teachings of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu to Sanatana Gosvami (Cc. Madhya 22.65) we learn: sastra-yuktye sunipuna, drdha-sraddha yanra 'uttama-adhikari' sei taraye samsara "A person who is expert in understanding the conclusion of the revealed scriptures and who fully surrenders to the cause of the Lord is actually able to deliver others from the clutches of material existence." Srila Rupa Gosvami, in his Upadesamrta (3), advises that to make rapid advancement in the cult of devotional service one should be very active and should persevere in executing the duties specified in the revealed scriptures and confirmed by the spiritual master. Accepting the path of liberated souls and the association of pure devotees enriches such activities. Imitation devotees, who wish to advertise themselves as elevated Vaisnavas and who therefore imitate the previous acaryas but do not follow them in principle, are condemned in the words of Srimad-Bhagavatam (2.3.24) as stone-hearted. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura has commented on their stone-hearted condition as follows: bahir asru-pulakayoh sator api yad dhrdayam na vikriyeta tad asma-saram iti kanisthadhikarinam eva asru-pulakadi-mattve 'pi asma-sara-hrdayataya nindaisa. "Those who shed tears by practice but whose hearts have not changed are to be known as stone-hearted devotees of the lowest grade. Their imitation crying, induced by artificial practice, is always condemned." The desired change of heart referred to above is visible in reluctance to do anything not congenial to the devotional way. To create such a change of heart, conclusive discussion about Sri Krsna and His potencies is absolutely necessary. False devotees may think that simply shedding tears will lead one to the transcendental plane, even if one has not had a factual change in heart, but such a practice is useless if there is no transcendental realization. False devotees, lacking the conclusion of transcendental knowledge, think that artificially shedding tears will deliver them. Similarly, other false devotees think that studying books of the previous acaryas is unadvisable, like studying dry empiric philosophies. But Srila Jiva Gosvami, following the previous acaryas, has inculcated the conclusions of the scriptures in the six theses called the Sat-sandarbhas. False devotees who have very little knowledge of such conclusions fail to achieve pure devotion for want of zeal in accepting the favorable directions for devotional service given by self-realized devotees. Such false devotees are like impersonalists, who also consider devotional service no better than ordinary fruitive actions.” Cc. Adi 2. 117 From what cauldron of misconception you boil up so many false conclusions is certainly a mystery. You made one seeming friendly post to me on this thread and I made the mistake of responding which lead to another barage of copy and paste. My bad. I realize you must have a OCD and this is the form in which you express it. . OCD? Enlighten me please with your analysis!!! If you had kept to SBSST’s article there would have been no discussion only appreciation. But you insist on throwing salk into sweet rice . Don’t be a cyber sissy and stop complaining like a wus. If the pan is too hot, get out. Leave cyberspace and find a briar patch for your sadhana and bhajana instead. Once again with your condemnation of cut and paste from our authorities, you prove your aversion to guru, sadhu and shastra when the sastra doesn’t suit your personal misconception. Your problem not mine. KC is not cafateria religion, pick this and reject that. Neither is it like ordering dinner from a menu in a (vegetarian ) chinese restaurant; Take one from column a, two from b, reject this or that. NEVER!!! As it is, as the acaryas have given it, as it will always be. You used to post the tar baby parable alot. A good one for sure. You Puru are my tar baby. Thank you for the compliment.I be chantin in the briar patch of Nabadwipa Parikrama http://bvml.org/SBTP/SNM/index.html while you be talking to yoself here on audarya, the forum from hell.