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Gaudiyas view of Shiva & bhagavata puranas view is much much different. Shri Krishna himself says in Bhagavata Purana " only those who see oneness between shiva & me, can attain peace. Others can't" Bhagavata Purana view on shiva is that both krishna and shiva are one ie they're parabramhan themselves. Read Bhagavata Purana 8.7 wherein Shuka declares shiva as supreme God, Paramatma, origin of all, who is none other than vishnu.. Hare krishna

Hindu Dharma came into existence when Lord Bramha was borned and when his sons Manu were created by mind of bramha. In short, Hinduism started when veda was created by Lord bramha.

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You have just ignored all things what bhagavata says about atma and bramhan. Besides You have so much ignorance about advaita. Bhagawata Purana many times say that Krishna is Nirakara, Arupa, NirguNa. This is where your small intellect fails. When bhagavata purana praises krishna as Brahman, it is for his real nature which is Arupa and nirguna, infinite nature. Moreover bhagavata purana supports also lord shiva as Brahman or supreme God. Read bhagavata purana 8.7. So bramhan is really a form, why bhagavata purana says both krishna and shiva as bramhan.. And another thing bhakti is not opposed to Advaita. It is ladder through which jiva realises himself as a bramhan. My thread is entirely based on final teachings of Shuka deva, which is essence of vedanta. I don't have interest in distorted translations of Iskcon. Shuka declared that jiva becomes bramhan. In fact, further he said that jiva was already bramhan. He further says how to meditate. One should see himself as supreme bramhan, Supreme abode of all, non-different from bramhan.

If this is your logic, then it means krishna isn't eternal as he didn't get worshipped during ram's time. For your information, Lord Rama and krishna were topmost devotees of Lord shiva. They declared shiva, the supreme God, source of all, one eternal Consiousness, bramhan. They say " I and Shiva are one. Those who ignore this don't attain me"

Because worshiping multiple gods is a vedic tradition of Hindus. Arjuna and krishna both were ideal hindus. They knew what is Dharma. They weren't sectarians who call other gods as demigods. " Ekam sat vipro bahudha vadanti " ( Truth is one. Sages call it by different names) Whether it is Shiva, vishnu or Ganesha, they are one, manifestations of one bramha. This is the spirit of true hindus. Hari Krishna

Ohh ! Really, I don't think you have defeated Advaita . Because you even don't know the basic concepts of Advaita. According to bhagavata purana Jiva and Atman are two different things. Jiva constitutes three bodies - Mind, intellect and Prana, while Atma is our real nature free from Maya. Upanishadas say " I'm bramhan" "There's nothing other than self" " All this is Atma" "you are that" "this soul is bramhan" ( Mandukya Upanishada) So do you have any gut to refute this ? I can defeat all paths like achintya bheda abheda and dvaita in just few seconds by quoting from Bhagavata purana Shuka says to parikshita : ghate bhinne ghatakash.....jivo bramha sampadyate punah"(12.5.5) { When a pot is broken, the portion of sky within the pot remains as the entire sky, just as before.But because of disappearance of portion of sky within pot one thinks that it has been connected to entire sky -but in reality, it was already connected to entire sky, In the same way, when the gross and subtle bodies die, it is just like jiva has become bramhan.(In reality jiva was already bramhan .His abramhata is just a false appearance.) chodito vipravakyen na twam dhakshyati takshakah, mrutyavo nopadhakshyanti mrutyunam mrutyum ishwaram." (10) { Look, you are death of death itself. You are god himself . The snake-bird Takshaka, sent by the curse of the brahmana, will not burn your true self.what about that snake? even death itself and agents of death can not come near you } "aham bramha param dham bramhaham paramam padam,evam samikshya chatmanamatmanyadhaya nishkale " (11) { you should meditate like this :'I am all pervading bramhan ,I am all pervading parabramhan only .In this way,you should do your self steady in ever-lasting,endless Atma . } "dashantam takshakam pade lelihanam vishananaihi,na drakshyasi shariram cha vishvam cha pruthagatmanah " (12) { At that time he will approch you with his poison-filled fangs and bites your foot. Nothing matters .By risigning yourself in atmaroopa, you will not see your self different not only from this body ,even from this entire universe. } In this way, bhagavata purana which is krishna himself, defeats all dvaitians philosophy including iskcon's. yes , indeed aham bramhasmi . Atma is bramhan is the conclusion of All scriptures. It is your impure mind who's not comprehending it. Hari Krishna Hari Hari

How are Bramhanas bad ? It is the impression given by britishers to low castes so that they can divide hindus. In fact before British rule, all Hindus were living with varna dharma without any hesitation. varna dharma has nothing to do with inferiority. There's divineness in Varna or caste and it is an important aspect of Hindu vedic culture. It's the mleccha's mind who see inferiority in caste and they used this dirt to alter social balance and culture of Hindus.

What are you referring for we ? Hindus ( Vaishnawas ) don't consider muhammad or Jesus as gods. In fact vedic scriptures explicitly states that muhammad was an incarnation of evil ( tripurasura). And there is no mention of Jesus anywhere in Hindu scriptures. yes You'll see something about Jesus in bhavishya purana. But vedic scholors proved that it was just the interpolation of britishers. This has been proved by logical reasoning. See this link to know the truth : http://gosai.com/writings/jesus-in-the-vedas So we vaishnawas don't accept so called man made gods like Jesus or muhammad. If we say according to puranas, they are verily evils and were born to spread Adharma in this kaliyug. That's why you will see Jesus or Mohammed teachings filled with anti-vedic views. In kalki purana, kalki is mentioned as destroyer of mlecchas ( non-hindus) and predicts that bhagavan kalki will kill Christians and Muslims who will invade india . However today we hindus are here to protect our sacred vedic dharma and we are enough for these mlecchas ( followers of Christianity and Islam ).

Lol, where did you get the proof ? Aryan invasion theory had been debunked by scientists thousand times. There are many proofs of archaeological and genetical which totally debunks this stupid cheap theory made by Max muller to divide India. So today's research tells Hindus are those aryans who used to recite Veda. Nowadays too we see many Hindus reciting it. Another thing there's no mention of invasion anywhere in Veda . In fact veda explicitly defines India as Aryavarta ( Land of aryans ). Manusmriti, written by Manu, says the same. In veda, There's no mention of any region outside of india. Veda clearly glorifies India and its sacred region Sapta-Sindhu. So what're you saying is total absurd. There's no aryans invasion. So this is again absurd. Besides, In Puranas and Mahabharata, we get references about Ashram near saraswati river where vedavyasa used to live and there he wrote puranas and itihasas. And you know Saraswati river is present in India. So your stupid logics are irrelevant as far as scriptures references are concerned. Nice fairy tale This is the typical history made by western historians ( many of them are paid agents) to demolish supremacy of Hindu vedic dharma. It's just weird that you call your assumptions as proofs. Your stupid claims are just entertaining us. Your claims are entirely based on myth of aryan invasion. Moreover People like you are creating another myths based on this myth just to alter Hindu's richest history and call that as proof . You even don't know what is aranyaka and bramhana. They are the final parts of veda. They are the concluding chapters of veda. They are called as vedanta talking about knowledge of bramhan . They are the most important parts. Without them veda is nothing. Besides veda itself mentions Purana and itihasas as fifth veda. Refer Chandongya upanishada. So who the hell are you to say Puranas are creations of so called aryans. LOL. I really feel pity about your intelligence and what you know about purana and veda. One more thing , as stated in veda, we clearly know that all non-hindus are non-aryans. In Puranas non-aryans are called as mlecchas who lives outside of india and whose religion is not based on Veda. veda mentions land of aryans - sapta-sindhu-(India). Here Hindu is in the form of hindus. So it's obvious that who live in Sapta-Sindhu are sindhus ie they are Hindus ie they're aryans. Manu Smriti 2.22 clearly declares land of aryans or hindus as the tract between south himalayas and vindhya ranges from Indian eastern sea to western sea, which is none other than India. So nothing is authentic from you. In fact your views clearly shows your Anti-hindu mindset. So spread this garbage anywhere in the non-aryans countries. This is aryavarta ( india) and we hindus are the sons of aryavarta. We can't tolerate anything blemish to our sacred culture. We follow veda, we know what we are and we know what is our history. There's no need to know history of India from mlecchas (non-hindus) who even don't know what's veda and even can't pronounce single word of veda . Lol

Dear thread owner, spread this garbage anywhere else. This is Hindu Vedic Forum. You didn't give any support for your claims. Your posts clearly show your Anti-hindu mindset.

Both krishna and shiva are one. This is the conclusion of Shastras. Shiva is the supreme God, the Parabramhan.

Some mistake in my previous post's end . Correction: Anyone can recite names of Bhagavan while mantras like Gayatri Mantra are allowed only for Hindu Dvijas .

Disagreed ! There is no any meaning to Hare krishna mantra . In fact this is not a mantra . It is just the naam-japa . Because The hare krishna mantra is stated in Hindu scripture ' Kali sanatarana Upanishad ' . There there is no any mention of mantra word . It is just 16 words that should be repeated . Mantra is the one which has many regulations while Hare krishna doesn't have any rules .It is the Nam-japa . Anyone can recite names of Bhagavan while other mantras like Gayatri Mantra are not allowed for Hindu Dvijas .

Then first stop drinking alcohol . Drinking of alcohol is a sin in Hindu Vedic Dharma . As stated in Shastras , Those who drink alcohol , after death they go to the hell . So first give up Alcohol , then only you can practice Hinduism .