Yegan

Aside from rennet in cheese, there are many other things that vegetarians should watch for (Stabilizers, Emulsifier, Colours, Flavourings, etc...)

Below is a rough indication of ingredients that vegetarians should be careful of. Also if one is not sure about a specific ingredient, simply give the company a phone call. Nowadays, many products offer a customer service line free of charge (Make full use of it)

It does happen that the person at the other end arent sure about the ingredients you are enquiring about. In that case simply avoid the product.

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Key to the colour-coded table below:

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</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Red background indicates additives which are always derived from animals. Those in grey boxes are additives, which could be made from either animal or vegetable origins; in which case the grey area additives should be treated with caution. Some of the grey area additives also give an indicator that they may be unsuitable for vegans.

If a food or beauty product is not clearly labelled get in touch with them and ask questions - make a fuss!

 

E Number************************ Additive Name <table align="center" border="0" cellpadding="10" height="118" width="100%"><tbody><tr bordercolor="#000000"> </tr> <tr bordercolor="#000000"> <td colspan="2" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#ff6666" height="24" valign="top">

 

 

</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#ff6666" height="24" valign="top" width="397"> Cochineal, Carminic acid, Carmines Natural Red 4 - colouring

A colouring that makes many foods red. Found in alcoholic drinks, fruit pie fillings, jams, many sweets and even cheeses. Cochineal is made from the female insect found on cacti called Dactylopius Coccus. She is boiled alive or left to "cook" alive through sun exposure. Cochineal is the result of crushing scales of the insect into a red powder.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Carbon Black, Vegetable Carbons - colouring

If the description on product packaging says "Vegetable Carbons", then it is most likely free of animal derivatives. (but could be derived from GM crops!) But if the additive is described as "Carbon Black", it 's more likely to be derived from various parts of animals.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Canthaxanthin (Natural Orange Colour Xanthophylls) - colouring.

Be aware that although Canthaxanthin is usually derived from plant material, it can sometimes be made from fish and invertebrates with hard shells.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Potassium Nitrate (Saltpetre) - Preservative

Saltpetre is usually assumed to be of natural origins but it can be artificially manufactured from waste animal matter. Potassium nitrate is often found in smoked type cheeses - so even if the cheese contains vegetable rennet and not animal rennet, it may contain potassium nitrate made from animal waste, so check with the cheese manufacturer to determine the source of the potassium nitrate.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Lactic Acid - Antioxidant

Can be obtained from whey so Vegan's should determine the source of the ingredient by contacting manufacturers. Lactic Acid can be found in carbonated drinks, beer, dressings and various tinned products.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Lecithins - Emulsifier and Stabilizer

Some Lecithin contains egg yolks so not suitable for Vegans. Other main sources of Lecithin are from soya bean oil and is likely to be genetically modified (if sourced from countries such as the US) Lecithin can also be directly obtained from animal fat.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Sodium Lactate - Antioxidant

Sodium Lactate is the salt of Lactic Acid. (see E270 above)

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Potassium Lactate - Antioxidant / Acidity Regulator

Another type of salt derived from Lactic Acid. (see E270 above)

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Calcium Lactate - Antioxidant

Another type of salt derived from Lactic Acid. (see E270 above)

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="55" valign="top" width="397"> Glycerol (Humectant, Solvent, Sweet Glycerin) - Sweetener

There is contention surrounding the origins of Glycerol. Through various industrial reselling practices, a majority of glycerine originates as a by-product of soap manufacturing. Many soaps are manufactured using animal fats. This indicates that even though glycerine occurs naturally in plants, what ends up in food and soap products mostly originates from animals.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="55" valign="top" width="397"> Polyoxyethylene - Emulsifiers and Stabilisers

E numbers 430 to 436 are various types of polyoxyethlene:

E430 Polyoxyethylene (8) stearate (Emulsifier / Stabiliser)

E431 Polyoxyethylene (40) stearate (Emulsifier)

E432 Polyoxyethylene (20) sorbitan monolaurate (polysorbate 20 Emulsifier)

E433 Polyoxyethylene (20) sorbitan monooleate (polysorbate 80 Emulsifier)

E434 Polyoxyethylene (20) sorbitan monopalmitate (polysorbate 40 Emulsifier)

E435 Polyoxyethylene (20) sorbitan monostearate (polysorbate 60 Emulsifier)

E436 Polyoxyethylene (20) sorbitan tristearate (polysorbate 65 Emulsifier)

These additives are very unlikely to originate from animals as they are normally derived from various types of fruit. It may still be worth checking with manufactures as to the exact origins of the ingredients which make up these Emulsifiers and stabilisers.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#ff6666" height="14" valign="top" width="397"> Gelatine - Emulsifier / Gelling Agent

You may not find this E number 441 on food ingredients listings anymore because instead of an additive, Gelatine has now been classed as food (made of animal skin and hoofs) in it's own right. Remember, all types of gelatine are animal based and can be found in dairy products like yoghurts, plus many kinds of confectionery, jellies and other sweets.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="55" valign="top" width="397"> Ammonium phosphatides - Emulsifier

Amonium phosphatides can sometimes be made using Glycerol (see 422 above) Therefore the finished additive may contain animal fat.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="55" valign="top" width="397"> Sodium, potassium and calcium salts of fatty acids - Emulsifier / Anti-caking Agent

As 470 is derived from fatty acids, these may originate from animal sources.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="55" valign="top" width="397"> Magnesium Stearate - Emulsifier / Anti-caking Agent

This is another magnesium salt from fatty acids and like 470a, may originate from animal sources.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="14" valign="top" width="397"> Mono- and Diglycerides of fatty acids (glyceryl monostearate, glyceryl distearate) - Emulsifier

Because E471 is derived from Glycerine (Glycerol) (see E422 above), there may be a slim chance that E471 might contain animal fats.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="14" valign="top" width="397"> E472 A to F are emulsifiers related to the mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids family:

E472a Acetic acid esters

E472b Lactic acid esters

E472c Citric acid esters

E472d Tartaric acid esters

E472e Mono- and diacetyl tartaric acid esters

E472f Mixed acetic and tartaric acid esters

Because the E472 family is derived from Glycerine (Glycerol) (see E422 above), there may be a slim chance that any of these might contain animal fats.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="38" valign="top" width="397"> Sucrose esters of fatty acids - Emulsifier

E473 is a sucrose ester of E471, being fatty acids, which may be derived from animals.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="38" valign="top" width="397"> Sucroglyceride - Emulsifier

E474 is a glyceride of sucrose ester of E471, being fatty acids, which may be derived from animals.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="38" valign="top" width="397"> Polyglycerol esters of fatty acids - Emulsifier

Being an ester of fatty acids which may be derived from animals.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="38" valign="top" width="397"> Polyglycerol Polyricinoleate - Emulsifier

As this is produced from glycol esters the glycerol can be sourced from a by-product of animal fats in the manufacturing of soap.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="38" valign="top" width="397"> Propane-1, 2-diol esters of fatty acids, propylene glycol esters of fatty acids - Emulsifier

The glycol esters of fatty acids can be sourced from a by-product of animal fats in the manufacturing of soap.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="38" valign="top" width="397"> Lactylated fatty acid esters of glycerol and propane-1 - Emulsifier

See 477 above

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="38" valign="top" width="397"> Thermally oxidized soya bean oil interacted with mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids - Emulsifier

See 471 above

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="38" valign="top" width="397"> Sodium Stearoyl-2-lactylate - Emulsifier

See 471 above and 270 (contains Lactic Acid and Stearic Acid)

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="38" valign="top" width="397"> Calcium Stearoyl-2-lactylate - Emulsifier

See 471 above and 270 (contains Lactic Acid and Stearic Acid)

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="38" valign="top" width="397"> Stearyl tartrate - Emulsifier

See 471 above

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Sorbitan monostearate - Emulsifier and Stabilizer

From stearic acid and is used in dried yeast. Stearic acid is found in vegetable and animal fats, but commercial production is usually synthetic. See also 570

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Sorbitan Tristearate - Emulsifier

See 491

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Sorbitan Monolaurate - Emulsifier

See 491

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Sorbitan Monooleate - Emulsifier

See 491

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Sorbitan Monopalmitate - Emulsifier

See 491

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#ff6666" height="2" valign="top" width="397">Bone phosphate - Anti-caking agent</td> </tr> <tr bordercolor="#000000" bgcolor="#cccccc"> <td colspan="2" bordercolor="#003333" height="2" valign="top">

 

 

</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Stearic Acid Fatty Acid - Anti-caking agent

Stearic acid is found in vegetable and animal fats, but commercial production is usually synthetic. Often used in dried yeast.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Magnesium stearate, calcium stearate - Emulsifier and Anti-caking agent

See Stearic Acid 570

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Ferrous lactate - Colouring

A lactate is a compound formed when a mineral is bound to lactic acid. This is why additives named as a lactate may have been derived from an animal source such as whey. (see 270)

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Disodium inosinate - Flavour enhancer

Almost always made from animals and fish

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#ff6666" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Disodium 5'-ribonucleotides - Flavour enhancer

Often made from animals

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Glycine and its sodium salt - Flavour enhancer

Can sometimes be prepared from gelatine.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" bgcolor="#cccccc" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Beeswax - white and yellow - Glazing Agent

Not suitable for Vegans.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Shellac - Glazing Agent

Shellac is a resin secreted by an insect called the lac bug Laccifer lacca Kerr (Coccidae) . It is often unclear as to whether the insect is killed in the process of commercially obtaining shellac as the resin is left by the insect on various plants. Whether this resin is harvested as a residue or extracted by directly killing the insects needs further investigation.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> L-cysteine - Improving agent

Produced commercially from animal and human hair (and feathers). When produced from animal hair it is almost certain that all L-cysteine is taken from slaughtered animals. When human hair is used it is often sourced from women in third-world countries. L-cysteine is used as an additive in around 5% of bread and other bakery products. It is not used in wholemeal bread or other wholemeal bakery products.

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> L-cysteine hydrochloride - Improving agent

Produced from L-cystine (see 910 above)

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> L-cysteine hydrochloride monohydrate - Improving agent

Produced from L-cystine (see 910 above)

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</td> <td colspan="3" bordercolor="#003333" height="2" valign="top" width="397"> Lactitol - Sweetener

Derived from Lactose, commercially prepared using whey, so unsuitable for vegans.

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Usually I would be careful before stating something, but in this case, YES black magic exists 100%.

I agree with what guest said; Seek qualified guidance.

This is because the soul is meant to enjoy only, no suffering at all. So even though we are being covered by illusion, the soul still knows that we are meant to enjoy only thus no one want to suffer in this life but everyone want to enjoy.

In the spiritual world, the soul is permanently enjoying the company of the Lord.

I would say hinduism is monotheist in the sense , Vaisnavas believe in one supreme GOD being Vishnu. In similar way adepts of Shiva believe that shiva is the ultimate lord. So basically these two branches of hinduism are monotheist, believing in ONLY one supreme lord .

 

But we do believe in "demigods", or should I say the ministers of the supreme LORD. These ministers ensure the proper functioning of the material world but they are all working under the direction of the supreme lord, be it Shiva or Vishnu. We have in the line of 330 millions of "demigods".

 

So when others say hinduism is polytheist, that is definitely wrong concept of hinduism.

 

 

Gospel of Thomas saying 77

Jesus said: "Split wood, I am there. Lift up a rock, you will find me there."

 

Lord Vishnu is there in every atom. So yes God is evrywhere in the woods, stones , in the hearts, basically everywhere.

Where did you get that information?

There are also few predictions about the Kalki avatar( HIs birth place, Mother's name etc). However if im correct it is also mention that Kalki avatar would come near the end of kali yuga, slain all the demons and then we would once again enter the golden age.

 

Now the end of kali yuga is expected to be in some 400 000 yrs from now. I presume this already made that person ineligible as kalki avatar.

 

I am a Buddhist. I believe in reincarnation, karma, dharma and all propagation by the Lord Buddha.

 

I find it interesting to know that Buddha is reincarnated from Lord Krishna in the Hinduism (Correct me if I am wrong).

 

So how do we find out that the other saint or sages are not reincarnated from these Lord.

 

The point I am getting is that the principles propagated by these saint and sages are holy and for the benefit of human mankind.

 

Therefore I will find it more interesting to hook on to this web chat if there are no criticism on other religion. After all, one to promote Hinduism I believe is to respect other belief.

 

Chinese Leong

Dear Chinese Leong,

 

Welcome. You can definitely chat here, share your views ,discuss spiritual topics and ask any questions related to spirituality.

Permit me though, to suggest you to register yourself, as this would help members here to have smoother exchange with you.

 

Hari bol

Im not actually replying to ur question but just pointing out that even bhagavan Krishna and Ramma have a Guru. Point to reflect on, specially concerning that kalki avatara you are mentioning.

The link given by jndas is quiet informative. I learn a few things there, plz do have a look.

 

I was a bit disturb above the classification of the puranas (i.e sattvika,rajasika and tamasika),but now it a bit more clear in my mind, specially after learning that Lord Shiva himself who defined this classification.

 

The bhagavata, is said to give the highest religious principles. The skanda purana also glorifies the bhagavata purana.

 

I still have a question though. If the vedas refered a lot to "Indra" as supreme (as some members here have pointed out) why he is not really mentioned in the puranas? The puranas is after all the explanatory version of the vedas.

 

Hari bol

 

 

 

Here comes the .(dot) again in trinity form now! Hidden message or not?

Dear guest,

Is Dalit a sect? What about Dalistan and Christian based Dalit organizations?

 

The 'main' God of the Vedas is actually Indra, who became a minor god later in Vaishnavite and Shaivite traditions. Some believe that not only Rudra but Indra also was combined into the Shiva of later Hinduism, as auspiciousness (shiva) is a quality of Indra.

Could the indra mentioned be, the King of heaven (Supreme personality) instead of the 'actual' indra (King of heaven in the material domain)?

 

I've heard this figure of 95% of the vedas being lost is a myth which came about by some french devotees mistranslating a verse for a book (I think the samskaras one not sure). Prabhupada has said nothing that indicates this. I will try and get more info on this

Dear vijay,

That would be kool if you can get some information about this famous 95%. I dont know where you would get ur info, but that would definitely be nice to know.

 

Following are my points to help hinduism

 

1. At any cost try to educate your kids in hindu schools, this will help them nurture the culture from very young age.

 

2. Instead of blindly following question everything in hinduism, hinduism is great enough to answer all your questions satisfactorily, this makes your belief in hindu scriptures strong and you can defend the religion much better.

 

3. Try to organise gita chanting or gita classes in the community you live weekly , mainly make the kids participate. This will be of immense help.

 

4. Take the scriptures to the masses, make every hindu understand be it a learned Brahman or a person working on the streets

 

5. Last but not the least try to be honest and true to yourself, for the lord resides in your heart.

Point number 1 and 2 is exactly what we need to do to REALLY help hinduism. Educating our kids is primordial. Without good foundation, they will be easily get brainwashed by others.

 

Point 2 is vital as well:

They need to know, why mother cow is not to be consumed and why we give such respect to cow.

They need to know the difference between idol and deity worship.

The significance of bowing to elders and bowing to GOD.

Understand that there is only one GOD but many enpowered beings which help to maintain the proper functioning of the world.(explain them that hinduism is fundamentally monotheist)

Basic concept of reincarnation, karma.

 

These will help them grow with confidence with good foundation and hence less likely to be brainwashed.

 

 

I know a Buddhist temple which situated right next to a Christian church and in my home area, there is a Mosque right across the street from a Murugan temple. Question ... SO WHAT?

You think they (Muslims and Christians) built their shrines next to yours because they love you so much? No, they built it there so they can riddicule your belief and pull the members of your society who are weak-hearted and weak-minded toward them. It is people like you who think they are so peaceful and tolerant.

If you believe that they built their shrines purposely to ridicule hindu, well YOUR belief, YOUR opinion, YOUR concept of reality. Others have different opinions, but apparently as soon as others oppose your opinions they are classified as non-Hindu, ridicule, etc . Oh, sorry to oppose such a perfect holy hindu personality like you.

 

And yeah, I have Christian friends also (I don't attend to keep Muslims as friends). I have one who went to UK and living there with her husband. I have several Christian friends in my own work area. SO WHAT?

When I said Adharmic people, you MADE mistake in thinking that ALL Muslims and Christians alone are adharmic. You are wrong ... when I said Adharmic people, it means ALL people who have different beliefs (other than what they suppose to follow according to their own religion) and way of life (different from what stated in their own culture and religion).

If a Hindus claims to be Hindu but drink alcholol, have adultery, cheat and lies and performs all kind of adharmic activity, is he still a Hindu? To you, maybe he is but to me, he is not. He is adharmic followers and I will wish him to perish so others could take his place and live proper life.

So adharmic are people who live their life differently as stated from their own culture and religion and you rightly state alcohol, adultery, cheat and lies. May I ask the perfect hindu (SEPHIROTH) as you are, why she purposely exclude meat eating in her list? Is that because you eat meat ? How come then you are not adharmic since meat eating is clearly opposed in scriptures? Sorry to offend the great hindu like you are.

 

 

Thank you for the compliment. I will take that as Kyastria duty.

You are welcome

 

Forgiveness is ONLY for people who commit wrongdoing UNKNOWINGLY. You attend to insult me before writing, there for, your apology is NOT accepted.

How come the honourable hindu like you doesnt show any mercy:eek3: on someone who asked for apologies, is that not adharmic? Oh well...

 

 

 

This is not ridiculing anyone, it is stating facts.

Just because I don't blindly support the way adharmic people live their lives, it doesn't mean I ridicule Hindusm. Being born as Hindu DO NOT make you a Hindu.

Just because people have different opinions from you, does not necessarily made them adharmic. Your so called fact could NOT be a fact for others. It does not make sense, calling people anti hindu etc, just after few posts, so you think you know everyone perfectly to declared us as non hindi or woteva just by few posts?

 

 

Two great kovils had been opened for public - the Batu Caves with its 100 (plus) ft Murugan statue and Marang Murugan temple (which opened 1 month after I went there - drove there with some friends on the way to visit my relative).

Indian societies organised seminar on Ramayana, Bhavagad Gita, cultural festivals like Pongguls and such and this not only attracted Hindus from this country but also foreign imbassardors who came to Malaysia and required more about Hindu culture.

My prayers now is, that Hindu Society could gather together, do proper reorganizing so young ones could get proper educations.

I hope you succeed

. (dot) can be very symbolic, there could be a disguised message in that . (dot)

 

Yes, vegetarianism is sinful because it still involves killing and as such we would acquire bad karma in eating the vege food. We are human being and we still need to feed ourselves to live.

 

However krishna made it clear in the Gita that one is free of the bad karma that has been acquired by killing the plants if and only if VEGETARIAN food is offered to him first. He will then take all the sins unto him and the food will henceforth become prasada. Prasada purify our consciousness when we partake it.

1. why have God (Krsna) created or allowed creation of alcohol, if one drinks it u will go to hell?

 

Because once we had the desire to have full mastery on everything and enjoy to the max without krishna. So krishna creates the material existence to sort of satisfy our desires.

Alcohol, sex, meat eating, gambling etc are all enjoyment which we have wanted and been granted by the Lord.

 

However GOD knows that these illusionary enjoyment would only create suffering because our true blisful enjoyment is to be with him, therefore he made it clear via scriptures that alcohol for example would cause us harm(+ there is bad karma associated to intoxication), but yet available for our enjoyment only because we so desired.

 

Could krishna not made intoxication, karma free for us to satisfy our desire? - He could for certain but then who among us would bother to return to GOD and enjoy the most blisful form of enjoyment. These illusionary enjoyment on earth is so enticing(intoxication, sex, etc) that we cant even bother enjoying something superior. Just imagine now how much more pleasurable we would feel when in spiritual skies. So making intoxication sinful is in fact helping us to taste something superior and infinitely more pleasurable in nature, but at the same time alcohol is available to us because it was what we desired once.

 

2. An advanced knowledgable person might help you on this issue.

Dear varsana,

Im not the right person to give you advice on this delicate issue, but I can certainly tell you that Govinda never ever let down his devotees. Krishna knows your suffering better than anyone else, and im sure he will organise something for you, very very sure. Praying to mother Radhe in this situation, might be very beneficial.

You probably know everything that i have mentioned but nevertheless I just feel like repeting what you already know.

 

Jai radhe

 

 

 

And what will promote Hindusm? Getting down on their hands and knees and BEG?

That is what Indians in Malaysia are been pushed into, sadly, the hand which does pushing are hands of those who claims to be Hindus also - MIC (Malaysian Indian Congress). They demolished over 1,000 Tamil schools and I have seen many new Islamic Schools (Sekolah Agama) in its place. 60% of ALL Indian children in Malaysia is stated to be uneducated, even in basic levels, WHICH was agreed by Muslim government to provide for them.

They even tried to demolish Indian Temples 3 years ago but the pressure was too much that they decided not to get involved in it. Again, the so-called "Indian Leaders" stepped forward and talk nonsense about peace and tolerance.

 

Trust me ... IF you are a Hindu, you will see that this path IS the ONLY path available. Let those who are Adharmic in beliefs and ways of Life PERISH.

I live in a small island hardly larger than 2000km2. It is extremely common to have a mosque, and within few metres away a Kovil(Hindu temple) and few metres away from the Kovil a church.

My best friends are christian and muslim by faith. we go to the beach together, play soccer together and eat together. They would come and help in constructing Cavadee(bamboo structure which the devotees would carry for Lord Muruga). Many christians carry cavadee as well, walk on fire(Timmidhi) for Mother Kali and Mariammen.

 

In my circumtances it would be a great sin for me to pray for so called 'adharmic' person(because of their different beliefs and way of life) to perish. Im sure there are many people in similar circumtances like me.

Your situation seems to be very different and praying for adharmic people to perish is somehow a duty.

 

And 2 days is enough. You speak as if you ridicule me. Faithless people does that.

 

Yes that was my intention, and you felt right. Please accept my apologies, I just could not prevent myself from writing that. Now whether faithless people do that, well could be.

 

You have over thousands posts in this forum, and I felt the same thing from your posts as well when you first start claiming people to be non-hindu,etc... just because they have different opinions from you. So who is 'ridiculising' who?

 

I have seen a lot of changes in my own society since I have started my fasting to help the society. Indian youths cames together, promote their beliefs and culture, problems regarding Indian (and other) societies are been shown so INDIANS (not Muslims) could come together and help. So trust me, it will work. More and more Adharmic people will perish also, small price to pay.

 

I hope you succeed in your endeavour and that there would be numerous magnificent Kovils in your country.

 

I never knew that Shiva and Skanda purana are considered as Tamasic. Can you plz tell where do you get this information? Its pretty disturbing to hear that.

Exactly, if one chant continously we dont know whether Krishna or Rama is chanted first.

Ajinomoto is claimed to be carcinogen, and is baned in some countries.

 

is it better then to work towards knowing god without actually desiring to know god? just learning about Him instead of wanting to learn about him? which is better?

Some people may have stronger desire to know and learn about GOD than others. Some doesnt have any desire for GOD at all. The best way is to have desire in knowing/pleasing/learning about GOD.

However learning about GOD without desire at times can lead to desire for GOD.

 

For example someone knows that chanting the maha mantra for example would benefit him/her. So he/she starts the chanting (with absolutely no desire to know/please GOD), but just for duty sake or just to have some of the past karma destroyed. Sooner that person may develop desire for GOD by GOD's mercy.