Yegan

look all of you do some extrememely strong deeeeeeep research on the shikshapatri then tell me who is supreme

Is shikshapatri necessary, when in bhagavad gita krishna clearly says HE IS GOD/ SUPREME? (Unless someone denies gita, then may be he should search elsewhere who is GOD)

He isn't a incarnation of Vishnu but only prambrahma, just like krishna.

Jai Swaminarayan

Jai Shri Krishna

So can we say that vishnu is GOD and swaminarayan is NOT? (depending what you imply by prambrahma and incarnation)

I got two questions.

According to BAPS swaminarayan is GOD.

1. So is swaminarayan krishna himself?

2. Or is swaminarayan even greater than Sri Krishna?

Can you say me in which chapter of Bhaghavad Gita, we can get the details of food allowed and which are not?

From Bhagavad gita Chapter 17:

Food prepared more than three hours before being eaten, food that is tasteless, decomposed and putrid, and food consisting of remnants and untouchable things is dear to those in the mode of darkness.

The purpose of food is to increase the duration of life, purify the mind and aid bodily strength. This is its only purpose. In the past, great authorities selected those foods that best aid health and increase life’s duration, such as milk products, sugar, rice, wheat, fruits and vegetables. These foods are very dear to those in the mode of goodness. Some other foods, such as baked corn and molasses, while not very palatable in themselves, can be made pleasant when mixed with milk or other foods. They are then in the mode of goodness. All these foods are pure by nature. They are quite distinct from untouchable things like meat and liquor. Fatty foods, as mentioned in the eighth verse, have no connection with animal fat obtained by slaughter. Animal fat is available in the form of milk, which is the most wonderful of all foods. Milk, butter, cheese and similar products give animal fat in a form which rules out any need for the killing of innocent creatures. It is only through brute mentality that this killing goes on. The civilized method of obtaining needed fat is by milk. Slaughter is the way of subhumans. Protein is amply available through split peas, dal, whole wheat, etc.

Foods in the mode of passion, which are bitter, too salty, or too hot or overly mixed with red pepper, cause misery by reducing the mucus in the stomach, leading to disease. Foods in the mode of ignorance or darkness are essentially those that are not fresh. Any food cooked more than three hours before it is eaten (except prasadam, food offered to the Lord) is considered to be in the mode of darkness. Because they are decomposing, such foods give a bad odor, which often attracts people in this mode but repulses those in the mode of goodness.

Remnants of food may be eaten only when they are part of a meal that was first offered to the Supreme Lord or first eaten by saintly persons, especially the spiritual master. Otherwise the remnants of food are considered to be in the mode of darkness, and they increase infection or disease. Such foodstuffs, although very palatable to persons in the mode of darkness, are neither liked nor even touched by those in the mode of goodness. The best food is the remnants of what is offered to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. In Bhagavad-gita the Supreme Lord says that He accepts preparations of vegetables, flour and milk when offered with devotion. Patram puspam phalam toyam. Of course, devotion and love are the chief things which the Supreme Personality of Godhead accepts. But it is also mentioned that the prasadam should be prepared in a particular way. Any food prepared by the injunctions of the scripture and offered to the Supreme Personality of Godhead can be taken even if prepared long, long ago, because such food is transcendental. Therefore to make food antiseptic, eatable and palatable for all persons, one should offer food to the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Can we eat meat then as a way of sacrifice to God?

Dear shuvo,

Animal sacrifices are not allowed in this kali yuga.

Shankara accepted an untouchable as his guru, yet he also quoted the verse about the molten lead being poured in the ears of a shudra who hears vedas.

 

Thus the conclusion is caste is not just based on birth, and knowledge should be received from anywhere.

Ok, conclusion is that caste is not just based on birth (conclusion arrived because his Guru is an "untouchable")

Now, lets move a step further. What the term shudra above implies then?

Use common sense. Consider Shankaracharya's philosophy, and ask yourself, if he truly believed all was one, would he make any such distinctions based on caste?

Good point to reflect on but ultimately its his writings which are to be considered. His writings reflect his teaching.

If his writings show tendency of castism then this is how it is, and is in conflict with what his followers say on his preaching(I.e Oneness)

I dont know what his wrintings are, thats why Im asking.

Why should his teachings live on when they come from someone impure, imperfect and insincere?

There are many teachings around some pretty same to others, some completely different. They have survived and still surviving. Do you think they are all perfect/sincere/pure?

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Dear Guest,

In the other forum, "Did Adi Shankaracharya denounce Caste?" there is a tendency to think that Adi Shankaracharya believe in caste by birth and even "say" that if a sudra hears the vedas then molten lead should be poured in his ears which I think is something very abominable.

Was it the plan of Shankaracharya to spread that philosophy or the forum is being misled?

Haribol

Isn't it impossible for him to die?

Where is he?

 

Jai Sri Ram

He is still well alive as long as the name of Ramma would be chanted.

Sri hanuman manifesting on his devotees is no rare scenes.

Has anyone heard about these so-called Gods. How was Kal Bhairo born or any of the above names.

 

Someone told me that she went to a kali temple and was told to worship the above to giving alcohol and cigarette - I don't feel right about this - please reply if you know anything - I want to help my friend.

 

regards

It is DIFFICULT to stop these sacrifices SPECIALLY if they have been in your family lineage.

Just like you, I dont feel its right to give animal sacrifices.

If its the first time your friend is performing these sacrifices, I think you might help by telling her about the consequences of killing animals. This might well deter her.

If its in the family lineage, hmmm. Believe me it IS complicated to stop and the resulting consequences might be painful. It is definitely not an easy decision to take.

Here is a thread in which the concept of free will has been discussed:-

 

http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/forums/spiritual-discussions/28705-future.html

Its always good to know that some people share the same view on this topic.

vedaham samatitani

vartamanani carjuna

bhavisyani ca bhutani

mam tu veda na kascana

"O Arjuna, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, I know everything that has happened in the past, all that is happening in the present, and all things that are yet to come. I also know all living entities; but Me no one knows"

The question is whether it is possible to have free will even if the lord knows the futur. In the past my brain says no, at present I still think thats not rational.

In GOD's infinite wisdom, everything is possible though, and if there is a rational connection between pre destiny and free will, our mind/brain simply cannot comprend this complexity.

From the above quote,"but Me no one knows", since krishna is time(past,present,futur) then the "Me" could refer to time. Therefore no one understand time.

Btw is there any verses in connection to free will?

I wish everyone a very happy sittirai cavadee.

Oh Azhagan/Skanda unto you we take shelter

Devotees of Lord Muruga carying the cavadee

You have goose skin just by hearing the musical band

One of our beautiful Kovil(Temple)

Colourful

Devotion

The Vel

Devotee carrying a sambo of milk

Devotee dancing in trance with wooden cavadee

Devotion knows no age

Sacrifice

The faithfuls made a vow of silence, which is yet another sacrifice that they offer to Lord Muruga/Skanda

Sharing of sacred milk at the end of procession

The futur is secured for now through the young ones...

Vettri vel muruga

Good point. This is also one way to interprete the experimental result. If there is pre-destiny, then do we have any free will?

I have been asking this question for some six years eversince I learnt about the karma law.

If Krishna knows everything, therefore He already knows that I would be say a thief, a murderer well before I took birth.

Now, if I do not become a thief, a murderer this would contractict Krishna's forcast which is impossible.

So, am I responsible for being a thief, murderer?

If I killied someone in this life because that someone killed me in the previos life, would I be a sinner? (afterall I am respecting the law of karma. He killed me before, I killed him now, action/reaction)

Dear Shuvo,

Vegetables are allowed, but need to be offered to GOD first before eating.

Beef a DEFINITE ABSOLUTE NOOOOOOO!

Tortoise- where did you get this information:eek:? NO TORTOISE.

Anything that involves killing is not recommended. Vegetables also involves killing but not much pain is involved as the killing of animals. But eating vegetables still involves killing and that is why they must first be offered to GOD (that way we dont get the bad karma involved in killing).

In Bhaghavad Gita, we can get good information on what to eat, certainly there is no tortoise.

I agree that actions are not really caused by our physical organs. Experiments show that the start of an action that we perform happens even before we consciously make the choice of performing that action. But how can that happen? I want to do something. Then, I do it. So, desire to do is cause and action is effect. But how can effect precede cause? For this, we have to see how experimentalists know that the action started before conscious choice. They find this by very accurately finding when an action started and very accurately scanning neurons to find when the conscious choice was made. This proves that there is something beyond our brain (a gross physical organ). I think it is this something that you are calling as mind. This mind (not a gross physical organ) actually makes a choice and this choice is later reflected in the brain.

What if indeed effect preceed cause? Would that experiment not show that there is something called pre-destiny, which is independent of gross physical organs and the less gross physical mind?

From another thread:

 

na daho na klamo nartir naraka agni bhayam na hiyasya sankha udakam

murdhni krsna drstya avalokitamna graha na ca kusmandah pisaca

uraga-raksasahdrstva sankhodakam murdhni vidravani diso dasa

(Hari-bhakti-vilasa 9.5,6, from Skanda Purana about the glories of the conchshell)

 

"If the water within the conchshell is seen by the Supreme Lord Krsna

and if it is touched to one's head, one becomes free the fear of

punishment, distress, degradation and fire, bad planets, black magic,

snakes, devils. They run away in ten directions when they find that he

has a drop of water on his head from the conchshell which is offered

to Lord Sri Krsna."

What do u mean by seen by the lord? Does that mean, we take the counchshell with water in it and put it near a deity of lord krishna for some time before it is used to touch the head ?

The last Manvantara (mass extinction) occurs approx. 121 millions years from now according to scriptures.

However we can find that there is some mismatch between scriptures and science.

The Major mass extinction according to PRESENT day science(Yes, this info can change tommorow) was in the Permo-Triassic era, some 250 millions years from now and extinction of Dinos some 65 millions years from now.

We can still argue that dinos existed in the last manvantara, and managed to live the major manvatara destruction 120 millions years ago to finally become extinct 65 millions years from now.

However the major concern is mass extinction's time is somehow different by a factor of approx 2.

Scientific mass extinction = some 250 millions years from now.

Scriptures mass extinction=some 120 millions years from now.

OK, I think I start to understand a bit now about the vedic time.

The 0.429 Maha yuga in every Manvantara is meant for Creation/Destruction time.

So 1 day of brahma comprises of 14 sections

1 section = 1 manvantara + Destruction/Creation time(approx 1.8 millions years)

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I do not know if any dissolution takes place between two Manvantaras. If yes, what is the extent of this dissolution?

From some research on net, I can safely say that YES there is destruction and creation every manvantara. It is quite huge to the extent that most of the living species are wiped off from the surface .

However I was not able to find out in which form the destruction occurs (deluge, fire etc..)

There is also minor destruction(laya) every end of Maha yuga.

I presume from the 14 sections which comprise 1 day of brahma, thats where the 14 Manus come from. Each one comes in every manvantara. They are considered to be the father of humanity.

Therefore if one day scientists discover that there is mass extinction every 300 millions years (i.e every Manvantara), that such mass extinction happens over a long period of time(around 1 -2 millions period and not over few days or years) and also that there is a minor destruction every 4.32 millions years cycle (every Maha yuga) then that would be a huge step forward to show to atheist that Vedas/Puranas are NOT myths but THE TRUTH/FACT.

Thats very interesting. Where can I find these english translated vedas?

If you live in india, it should not be a problem. Go to your local temple, and explain the problem to the priest. He will definitely help or send you to someone who deals with such issue. Usually tantrists are very good in removing ghosts.

If you are outside india or dont know any priest, well that might be a little problematic.

Hari bol

This 14 Manvantaras is causing me some trouble. There is a fraction of 0.429 Maha yugas which are left in every manvantaras. This correspond to some 1.8millions of years which has not been accounted for in every manvantaras.

While making the previous post, I was feeling that I was missing something, but did not know what. Now, I realise what it was.

 

We are not in 28th Maha yuga of the current day of Brahma. Rather, we are in 28th Maha yuga of the 7th Manvantara in the current day of Brahma. In one day of Brahma, there are 14 Manus.

 

Six Manus have already come and gone.

 

1 day of Brahma = 14 Manvantaras

1 day of Brahma = 1000 Maha yugas

Therefore, 14 Manvantaras = 1000 Maha yugas

6 Manvantaras = 1000*6/14 Maha yugas

1 Maha yuga = 4.32 million years

Therefore, 6 Manvantaras = 1000*6*4.32/14 million years = 1.85 biliion years

Add to this 211 million years, which is approximately the time that has elapsed since current Manvantara started.

We get approx 2.1 billion years.

 

So, the partial dissolution that happens at the end of Brahma's day did not end only 211 million years ago. It ended 2.1 billion years ago.

 

So, we do not have any problem with dinosaurs or any other life forms living 211 million years ago.

 

I do not know if any dissolution takes place between two Manvantaras. If yes, what is the extent of this dissolution?

Ah this Manvantara is then very important to do proper calculation. Indeed the whole data changes now. Interesting to note also that 1000 is not exactly divisible by 14.

In your calculation above, I couldnt understand one thing. Where do you get the 211 millions years? Should it not be 121millions years?

That would then make the estimation to be aprrox=456.6 Maha yugas = 1.97 billion years since the begining of the most recent Brahma day.

Something that we can think upon:

"There is no truth beyond Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread"

(Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 7.7)