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Sephiroth

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    I am not sure who are you talking about. Iskcon? Iskcon is a very small branch of Vaishnavism.

     

    Small branch but with a big voice.

     

    It is the loudest person who gets the more attention, not the biggest person with a small voice. In the end, it is how you deliver which counts, not what you deliver - basic for all presentation and public talkings.

     

    ISCKON maybe small and insignificant to someone to the point that you could consider that their influence is sufficial as well. But when the West hears them, what they will see is what Hindusm supposed to be according to their own understanding.

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    yeah there's obviously a realm beyond these three..

    There is ONE CALLED REALITY and the way LIFE DEMANDS ....

    you cannot rely only on knowledge and mystism to run the race in the world that is monotonously running on the THEORY OF SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST.

     

    i do not say that these 3 things namely knowledge, mystism and Wisdom are not important .. but a person must use all these three and make quick decisions to live in this volatile world

     

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    Finally, someone with proper common sense which I could agree with. :P

     

    Is it agreeable that one needs ALL THREE aspects in order to live and make proper decision in this World?

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    temples of Lord Vishnu are mentioned in practically all of the Puranas. it is also evident from Rig Vedic hymns that Lord Vishnu had a special and supreme position in the most ancient Aryan worship rituals. thus we can conclude that Vaishnavism (the cult of Vishnu) is very ancient. the term Vaishnava (worshiper of Vishnu) is quite ancient as well and appears in many medieval texts. therefore your claim: "50 years ago, there was no group named Vaishnavism" is completely false.

     

    Read back what I have said :

     

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    Vishnu also Narashima Avatar who the Malayam people celebrate as Onum festival.

    Vishnu also Parasurama who the Kerala people worship.

    Vishnu also Rama who the south people worship as well (and Sri Rama honored Shiva during His travels and in battle).

    So all this Avatars means nothing and only Sri Krishna matters? :rolleyes:

    Why? Because Vaishnavists said so?

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    You claims that Viashnavists are worshippers of Vishnu, YET they don't seems to give a damn about other Vishnu's Avatars who is worshipped by various people of India.

     

    And they even promote Christ than they could promote Parasurama or any other Vishnu's avatar. :eek4:

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    May be you should look for a burning bush somewhere around a synogogue or some hill and bring in some more commandments printed on some stone tablet.

     

    Or may be look for idol worshipeers among jews and ask their borthers to kill them.

    This may be a solution.:idea:

     

    Hmph ... You have only knowledge, not Intelligence or Wisdom. Therefore, it is useless to explain things to you. Good day.

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    Yes, but Hindu teachers, preachers and yogis in the west are doing the same regularly calling Christ a yogi (or a Vaishnava), quoting the Bible and explaining it as it suits them etc in the attempt to attract Christians to them.

     

     

    Some even taking some Christian symbols and ways of expression of religious beliefs (Yogananda was one of the first).

    It might be a genuine believe or an conscious manipulation or something else but it seems to me that Indians actually were the first to use this methods.

     

    This are foolish people who lost in illusion which is Christianity. :rolleyes:

     

    Just to bring in Christians into their fold, they go and twist their own beliefs to suit Christianity. By doing this, they place Christianity above Hindusm, live as Secular and forever in illusion and delusion.

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    In the Puranas we see examples of Guru Brhaspati performing yagnas and penance to remove the bad effects of the Devatas karma. He protects them with his purity and takes their ills upon himself.

     

    This is nothing at all like what Christian priests do. Christian priests say that all a person need do is confess and they will be forgiven by the priest on behalf of god! To me, that seems to be a dangerous presumption on the priests part, that whomever they forgive is forgiven in the eyes of god. Our acharyas take on the karma of their disciples but they know that there will be bad effects. Nothing is forgiven just like that because every act must have a reaction. This is science, not blind belief.

     

    Also, it is possible for a pure devotee to fall. Look at Vishvamitra. He had reached the pinacle of purity with his penance. He even became a Brahma Rishi, the highest state of Rishi there is, self realised in every way. Yet the sound of Menaka's tinkling jewellery made him fall into lust. Once he came to his senses and returned to austerity, he was restored to his previous position. Even Lord Rama himself accepted Vishvamitra as a guru, and served him. Does this not show that it is possible to fall and yet be a pure devotee? If Rama can forgive a fallen devotee, why cannot we?

    Haribol.

     

    Not everyone can be like Guru Bhaspati or Vishvamitra. :eek4:

    And such acts of taking in sins of others will not elevitate you to level of Sri Rama either. IF that is the purpose for this action by ISCKON members, than I could say that they have a very materialistic purpose - to have their status levitated by their followers.

     

    So far, all I could see is similiarity between Christian priests' practise and this practise. I do not see ANY link to Vedas and Gita stating that Gurus and Priests can take on sins of others as something Hindusm practises.

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    Perhaps, but I've also heard that it allows for the arousal of kundalini and the awakening of true genius. Which I believe was what happened to Newton, although there were periods where he was struggling to cope. He did a number of meditations though, on the nature of the universe, on God, etc. Physical exercise though was probably lacking though.

     

    I saw an episode of Seinfeld where George doesn't have sex for a while, and his mind becomes extremely clear and he becomes a genius for a while before he indulges in sexual activity once again. It was a funny episode, but it was also interesting to see that idea represented on TV.

     

    True Genius? There is no true or false genius.

     

    When a person's mind is preoccupied with desire for sex (due to his/her own sexual energy arousal), he or she will not have any other thoughts other than fullfilling that desire. Same way a starving man will not think of anything else except food and fullfilling his stomach.

     

    The so-called "True Genius" is just someone who ignores his desire for other cravings and desires, and concentrate in bring out his higher purpose. He don't become an Einstein overnight, he just concentrate in more important things.

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    Those who followed Vedas followed Shri Krishna, who is none other than Vishnu.

     

    Vishnu also Narashima Avatar who the Malayam people celebrate as Onum festival.

    Vishnu also Parasurama who the Kerala people worship.

    Vishnu also Rama who the south people worship as well (and Sri Rama honored Shiva during His travels and in battle).

     

    So all this Avatars means nothing and only Sri Krishna matters? :rolleyes:

    Why? Because Vaishnavists said so?

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    I saw a program once re: Isaac Newton, and they made an interesting comment. He, too practiced celibacy, because he believed in very similar ideas. He shunned the lavish splendours that others indulged in and simply devoted himself to observing nature and meditating on the nature of the universe.

     

    During his later years though, he did have periods of madness and hardly slept at all.

     

    There is some strict rules to follow when one practise Celibacy (or Brahmachari as it is known in Hindusm). And those who learn and understood Magic and Energy knows how dangerous it could be.

     

    Like I said before, practise of Celibacy involves reconverting energy used by the body to form sexual energy back to its energy form. However, Christians do not practise it properly. They do not meditate to control their minds like Hindus does, they do not exercise their bodies like Buddhist Monks does and they do not eat properly either.

     

    The act of reconverting sexual energy to energy is done through meditation and physical exercise (not a religious practise but a normal lifestyle). Christians do not convert it, and this suppressed sexual energy wreck chaos inside the body - resulting in mental illness.

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    Really. Yet in Judaism we have orthodox jews doing the same.

     

    I do not think this is a problem among Hindus at all as there are no Hindus killing each other. The real problem is majority Hindus are uninformed and disinterested in the welfare of their religion and society.

     

    Sorry, incorrect.

     

    In Judaism, ONLY Elders of the Community and THEY will decide which is to follow and which is not. They are like Brahmins in Hindusm.

     

    You know, your statement that Hindus not killing each other means that there is no problem is LAUGHABLE. Fact remain that there is NO UNITY among Hindus.

     

    And how to get them interested in Hindusm when some group like Vaishnavists could come, claim anyone who belief what they believe will get Moksha while the rest will continue to suffer?

     

    "God is One but Sages calls Him by different Name" - THIS is teaching of Hindusm. What Vaishnavists follow is just a mixture of Christian egoism and Secular Hindus belief. :eek4:

  11. The main problem why this "forces" can hijack Hindusm so easily is because :

     

    1. There is no clear defination of what Hindusm is.

     

    2. Too many groups break apart from mainstream Hindusm and claim theirs is the correct one (eg Vaishnavists). This leads to disunity among Hindus.

     

    3. Hindus are too egoistic for their own good.

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    we have only a structured system

     

    Knowledge -> Wisdom -> Mysticsm -> Knowledge -> -> ->

    *We could be terminated anywhere in the chain and not progress any further

    * We may cross any syage by sheer intution

    when we go over to another relm

    Logic after being subjected to)(>< )discrimination -> final observation

    Can there be any link between logic and Mysticsm?

     

    What other relm are there except this three?

     

    Humans learn things through knowledge, understand things through Logic, and know things by Mytiscm (knowing without proof if you may). Is there any other branch except for this three? :eek4:

     

    Even if you cross any stage (typo I persume when you spell syage) by sheer intuition, it is still in realm of mystiscm.

     

    Even if you subject Logic to Discrimination, what result you will get is knowledge which generated Logic. So the next time you come across the same senario, you will know what will likely to happen due to knowledge and deduction of Logic which bring forth Mystic-like understanding of things.

     

    In short, you cannot leave this three stage in understanding Physical World. :eek4:

  13. a good portion of MOST doctrines are pure fiction.

     

    ONLY to a Godless person - that doctrine is a pure fiction. :rolleyes:

     

    And I study Kaballah, I don't follow Kaballah. There is nothing to follow in Kaballah since it is Discipline of Understanding how the Universe and the World works, not a doctrine.

     

    Yes, Jews fight Christians. WHY? Because Christians corrupt Tahmud and God's name by stating that Yahweh had kid named Jesus.

     

    can call Hindus ridiculous and Hinduism weak, but that is just your own bias. as anybody can see, the "Hindu" traditions are doing quite well worldwide.

     

    Hindu Secularism is growing - a sort of Hindu identity but lack of ANY understanding or care for Hindusm. Hindusm in truth IS DYING.

     

    1,000 years ago, Hindusm sprang from India to Middle-East, South-East Asia and even all the way to China and Japan, along with Buddhism. TODAY, there is not a SINGLE HINDU NATION IN THE WORLD.

     

    Hindus in India especially cannot even make political and social changes according to Hindusm without upsetting the Seculars, Christians and Muslims.

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    I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. Are you saying that Hindus are ridiculous and Hinduism weak because one group of them decides to use a fictional book in their struggle agains encroaching Christianity? If so, than your statement is preposterous.

     

    And besides. Using fiction in propaganda efforts has a rich tradition and often works very well. I could name quite a few examples, including some close to home. "By way of deception thou shalt do war" - does that sound familiar?

     

    Yes, I did say that Hindus are riddiculos and it shows Hindusm as weak because some group actually uses fictional work to fight Christianity. And it does NOT work well. If you say otherwise, SHOW where fictional works could work against doctrine.

     

    The reason why fictional works will not succeed is because it is FICTIONAL - Make believe. Christians will walk away and laugh, stating that Hindusm is so pathetic that Hindus needs storybook to defend themselves.

     

    Secondly, WHY must Hindus use fictional story as methods to fight when there is a lot of historical data in the World and in the Internet? That is like choose Lies over Truth. I don't see the Logic for such actions. :confused:

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    Nostradamus was in maya.

    He had no good conception of reality.

    How much faith can we put in the hallucinations of a lunatic?

     

    I could agree with that.

     

    According to sources I have read, the method he used to seek this "prophesy" itself is unacceptable from Christian (and Jews) point of view. It is said that he could stare into a burning candle till it made him hallucinate. It is also said that he could take elixirs of drugs which put him to a trance-like state, thus making him envision this "prophesies". Such practise is called "Divinity" and it is against Christianity and Judaism.

     

    So the fact that some people claiming to be Hindus YET accepting it more than what stated in Gita is simply laughable. :rolleyes:

  16. How does this Cycle of Knowledge-Logic-Mystism revolve around?

    Let take the example of a Sick person.

     

    When a person falls sick, that person will ask others WHY he or she have fallen sick.

     

    A knowledgeable person could answer - "Your immune system is weak, therefore, you have become sick"

     

    A Logic person could answer - "You are plaqued with Anxiety, Stress and Fear, therefore, this had made you weak and therefore, your immune system become weak and you become sick."

     

    A Mystical person could answer - "Your sins have cause you to feel Stress, Anxiety and Fear, which made you weak, your immune system to become weak and therefore you become sick".

     

    While a Knowledgeable person could agree to the Logical person, he may not agree to the Mystical Person.

     

    A Logical person could agree to both or agree to the Knowledgeable person while ignoring the Mystical person.

     

    A Mystical person could consider Knowledge to be sufficial and Logic to be something to regard or discard depends on situation.

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    I don't see how Nostradamus' writings are any more credible than the Bhagavata's. You might consider applying your criticism a little more evenly across the board.

     

    Agreed ... in WHAT way does Nostradamus's prediction seems to be more credible? I have read it, and I even have the book.

     

    Many of his interpretation is based on the Bible's Book of Revelation (about Doomsday) which he claims have vision of the future - about the "Dark Man and the Beast" and such.

     

    Today, many people (including some Japanese, I heard) interpretes his interpretation as they like and that is like telling a story you heard someone else tell as your own. Lies retold as truth will not become a truth.

     

    As for Gita, I see things happening in front of me which EXACTLY as described in it. There is no need to interprete anything.

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