abhi_the_great

Why is there no recent photographs of the Jagat Guru? It wd add more grace to the front page of the site.

abhi

Originally posted by karthik_v:

Abhi, that is why I always prefer a simple religion like Islam - no questions, no answers, no disagreements, no confusion. Only injunctions anf fatwas for not complying with them. Ain't it great?

Karthik mullah, ooops prabhu,

Asalam Valaikkum!!!

ram(a) raga(va) ram(a) raga(va) ram(a) raga(va) rakshamam!!

I think this argument and counter argument is between two people who agree on everything.

So, does the soul become polluted or only the ego? And is this ego totally dependent on the soul? If so, is the soul the reason for the polluted ego? So, ultimately is the soul polluted?

I did not get any final answer from this long thread. I remain your humble confused servant. By this thread, I have become more confused than I previously was. Confusing questions confusing answers! Lets make a new book.

Originally posted by Gauracandra:

I have seen much evidence of similarities between Greek and Vedic culture. So if the Greeks saw the earth goddess as taking the form of a cow, and if the word cow in hindi is gai, I think that would be something interesting to note.

yes, cow is called Gaai or gaia in hindi.

Gaurachandra, I was also very surprised to see many small similarities in ancient Greek and Indian cultures.

There is a nice book called "Ancient Philosophies" from Philosophic Classics. It lists many beliefs of different pre-socrates philosophers and thinkers.

Pythagoras:

1. Worship and sacrificce without your shoes on

2.follow the god and restrain your tounge above all else

3. when you are out from home, look not back for the furies cine after you.

4. spit upon trimming your hairs and finger nails.

5. abstain from beans (maybe ekadasi )

6. life, he said, is like a festival; just as some come to the festival to compete, some to ply their trade, but the bes people come as spectators, so in life the slavish men go hunting for fame or gain, the philosophers for the truth.

7.Pythagoras also believed in the dualism of body and soul.

I heard about a treatise by Bhrigu Muni called Bhrigu Samhita. It has the names of all the people who were/are/to be born on the earth and the preditctions of their future and future births. It also tells us abt the past births. I don't know if it tells us how far away liberation is.

I heard there are 3 people in India who have a copy of this Samhita.

There is an astrologer near my home town, who is born in a family which by tradition predicts based on the Samhita. I went to him last time I was in India, but it was a day when the samhita was kept for a special worship and he told me to come again! He did give some predictions based on my horoscope and told abt the past, too. It was pretty much accurate.

Next time want to find out more abt the Bhrigu Samhita, if I get some time. When will I meet Krishna??? How many more million births???

Hare Krishna

Abhi

Nothing came up on my Netscape, except the first chanting page.

BVI,

Control!! We cannot categorise all the people following the process of Sidha Pranali as cheaters. It was a part of tradition.

Some are truly realised. Some are trying to be. Its a process and so be it. We are following the vaidhi marga, bcos our guru has given us this path. And we are chaste to our guru. HDG knows how to take care of us without siddha-pranali or full-fledged raganuga bhakti. Those following with faith and sincerity thru siddha-pranali, by the instruction of their gurus, who are also dear to Krishna - let them follow.

As long as no one is trying to confuse SP followers by accusing of illegitimacy(without proper consideration and understanding) or incomplete knowledge and practice, there is no need to be inimical.

This thread seems to have flamed into my guru vs your guru conflicts. And such discussions never end in a nice way.

From www.raganuga.com.

Who is disqualified from hearing discussions of pastimes which

invoke greed for raganuga bhakti?

In Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, the five chief types of sacred feelings are

described with their component ingredients in an detailed fashion.

There, sacred erotic love (madhura rati) has been described as the

most excellent; nevertheless, in spite of its excellence, it was

described only briefly; the extensive description being reserved for

Ujjvala Nilamani. Rupa himself explains why (BRS 3.5.2):

"Those renunciates who are excessively inclined to asceticism, those

who are unable to distinguish between the erotic affairs of the material

world and spiritual eros, and those who, although devotees, are

indifferent to the erotic mysticism of the Bhagavata-purana, are not

qualified to hear about sacred erotic rapture, and since it is also

esoteric and difficult to understand, it has been described here in only

an abbreviated way although it is a huge topic."

Visnu Dasa writes in his commentary on Ujjvala-nilamani (1.2):

(1) This spiritual discussion is unedifying for those who, though they

are devotees of Krishna, have no inclination toward erotic sacred

rapture and for those who, considering the Lord's erotic dalliances to

be the same as mundane sexuality, feel dispassion or lack any taste for

them.

(2) Although there are many devotees in erotic sacred rapture, still,

not all of them, because they lack the proper aptitude, are proficient at

tasting rapture. For them, this discussion is difficult to grasp.

(3) It is improper to discuss this topic before those whose minds are

deeply absorbed in the path of injunctions, who, because of having

various tendencies, are by nature unaware of the path of passion. The

superiority of the path of passion means, after all, that there are

unlimited lesser natures unsuited for it. (MSN 1)

Like mine

Your site is exotic, prabhu raga. Wonderful effort. Koti Dandavats.

In following the precepts of Narottama Das Thakura (PBC 68), we are to keep confidential realizations hidden deep within the heart, and not be talkative about them on the marketplace.

BVI,

I feel that the fact that you have decided to talk aloud your realisations is an inspiration for all devotees in the line of Srila Prabhupada.

When a few devotees are questioning the legitimacy of Srila Bhakti Sidhanta, your posts, as I see it, are in defence of Srila Bhakti Sidhanta's sidhantha. In a nutshell, they are not just talking in the market place, but an inspiration to surrender to the most prominent, Simha Guru - dearest to Srimati Radharani.

As long as the recent prominent acaryas did not go for Sidha-Pranali, its OK with their followers. As long as the other most respected Vaishnava Acaryas are following sidha-pranali, that is also perfect, and will benefit their followers. Why do we always come to the same old point again and again. As we know there is not going to be any end result with slinging mud at each other, I think we shd just stop it PUT.

If we are trying to prove the illegitimacy of SBSST we are putting ourselves into a very dangerous sitution. What is the difficulty in accepting that he was a pioneering preacher, empowered by Krishna? He was dear to Krishna.

On the other hand if the other Great Vaishnava Acaryas are continuing the traditional line which has passed down to them, performing sidha-pranali, I do not see any need to criticise them either. Its not right to say that, they shd stop everything they have been practicing for centuries and do as we do.

One good thing on this board is that, we get to know of the different gaudiya Vaishnava followings. Its more a boon than a bane. Its a wonderful chance to have associated with all the wonderful Vaishnavas and understood their culture and practices. It has been extremely nice to have known Raga, Jagat, Rati, AudaryaLila, leyh, JNdas, BVI, krathik, ram, shiva, shashi, bhaktajoy, shvu, jijaji, bhaktavasya and all so many devotees. This nice envoronment in itself is what makes me keep returning here again and again.

Its Ok, we can accept that we differ in the details. We are different in some ways - just we accept it. But the goal is same - Goloka Vrindavan, pleasing Sri Sri RadhaKrishna and Gaura-Nitai.

ys

abhi

When my daughter was born recently (on Sept 12th, 2001 - good date that), the astrologer told me that her birth is auspiscious for the father. Lets wait and see how much wealth comes.

Originally posted by Tarun:

There's a saying in every language:

"Each child brings his own wealth."

Anyone know it in any other language?

I too have a question to ask, dear BVI. I wd like your answer to be completely genuine and straight forward and free from pretense or false humility.

My purpose is not to argue and challenge, but to understand the basics of bhakti and how it developes and in whom it developes? Forgive any offences, but as you said, we do not get to the point if we are beating around the bush.

From the point in time when you have experienced the Lord directly till today, have you felt any sort of sexual urge. Are you completely free from material lust? Do you think it is a defenite pre-condition to obtain the mercy of the Lord, that one be completely free from sex desire?

Pls forgive me for my openness, but this openness is possible more easily when we are anonymous and on the internet. Otherwise, ones ego does not permit asking such questions.

servant

Abhi

BVJ,

As far as the philosophy you espouse, everything is in line and appealing. Thankyou for sharing your understandings and experiences. Your anonimity is just fine, if you feel so.

Cheers

Abhi

I thought Haridas thakur was Lord Brahma.

My humble opinion:

Trying to measure the activities of great acaryas with material standards meant for ordinary devotees might prove a failure and sometimes offensive.

The genuinity of BSST and SP is that they fulfilled the prophecy of Sriman Mahaprabhu of spreading the holy name in all villages and towns around the world. After this kind of unimaginable achievement, if we are petty enough to ask for material proofs of their legitimacy, we shd conclude that there is something wrong in our own understandings of shastras. This is envy at its greenest. We are giving so much importance to material activities, than the essence of all these activities - krishna prema.

Let us assume, BSST never took proper diksha from GKDB. But can we say the mercy from Sriman Mahaprabhu never flowed to BSST thru GKDB? What is the purpose of all these formalities like diksha? Only to rcv the mercy and empowerment. While judging great acaryas, especially empowered by Krishna, our logic and material considerations are just a naught.

Following the footsteps of these great acharyas is the only hope. Their legitimacy is the movement they have established around the world. Its easy to find fault in these institutions, but the fact remains that only they have succeeded in creating such a worldwide movement. It wd be better to say that these Vaishnavas are simply super-human rather than complaining, they cd not establish varnasrama, they cd not grasp the meaning of SP. Why don't we ourself establish and show the Vaishnava World, instead of complaining? Ohters wd only be happy to follow our footsteps.

Phalena paricayate - yes the results speak for themselves. They are the greatest evidence of legitimacy. They show that Prabhu Nityananda is pleased. If Nityananda is pleased Gaura Candra cannot reject. That is the only hope!!

GAURANGAAAAAAAAAAAA!!

Nityananda, bless us preach!! We are your illegitimate sons/daughters, but still you care for us so much. We are most fallen and we don't understand all this philosophy. We just want to pls SP and yourself with our preaching. Other Vaishnavas spit at our legitimacy, but you benignly smile at our humility. Allow us to remain, forever, your fallen illegitimate servants.

humbly yours

abhi

Originally posted by karthik_v:

Perhaps, in a day or two I will present my bhashyam on Purusa suktam. It is nothing abusive like these anti-Hindu folks present. I will also write on Shambhuka's slaying by Rama.

We are waiting, karthik prabhu!

There are so many people preaching material and spiritual topics. What is the threat with Gaudiya Vaishnavas preaching. Let them preach and let us preach, let the maharishi preach and let the muslims preach and the christians and the McDonald's and the KFC, there is enough people in the world to preach to. If they are not directly trying to preach to people who are already coming to ISKCON, then there is absolutely no reason to speak in such a threatening tone. If they are poaching then one might threaten, its natural. But otherwise, they are fine and we are fine.

http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/vishwasvarghese/wtpsati.html

Since we are on this thread of Christian conversion. It wd be interesting to read this article: "why the pope shd apologise to India" .

Originally posted by xxvvii:

In modern societies, a lot of persons show diff. faces to others & himself. For others he is a objective man whose every words & actions are right; for himself he is a subjective man whose many words & actions are dependent on his interest. So he is a man/animal.

How cd you probably know so much abt me?

Ramendra Nath has given us a chance to enhance our own faiths and help many others suffering from such a negative understanding.

I wd be grateful if someone cd give me satisfactory answers.

Originally posted by bhaktajoy:

Mr.Ramendra Nath wasting his valuable human life,misused intelligence...

 

[This message has been edited by bhaktajoy (edited 05-23-2002).]

Originally posted by gHari:

Where we supposed to read this guy's drivel? Life's too important.

It always made me think, why? Why has Manu written such painful, lope-sided smrtis? Where is the equanimity?

Appreciate this point of view. Thanks for correcting my doubting mind.

Originally posted by jndas:

Shankara was a liberated soul, there is no question of him being taught. Rather Shankara went through this episode to teach us. Why do we have to think the lesson was for him instead of the obvious conclusion, that it is to instruct us?

dharma projita kaitavo 'tra paramo nirmatsaranam satam

My understanding is that, when he saw Siva in that Chandala he surrendered. Till he didn't see Shiva, he treated the person like a Candala. My humble understanding was that Lord Shiva appeared to teach Sankaracarya to rise beyond casteism.