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?? i JUST POSTED this article,nothing more than that, since a lot of our discussion is about bringing muslims back to hindus

http://religion.krishna.org/Articles/2000/10/00147.html I downloaded Bhagvad Geeta from your site and read it. I am extremely impressed and moved by the teachings of Krishana Ji. But being a Muslim, some questions arose in my mind. If you could help me to finding their answers, I will be grateful to you. Khan (11-22-03) Dear sir, I downloaded Bhagvad Geeta from your site and read it. I am extremely impressed and moved by the teachings of Krishana Ji. But being a Muslim, some questions arose in my mind. If you could help me to finding their answers, I will be grateful to you. 1. Why different religions, and I am refering specially to Islam and Hinduism, in contradiction to each other? Is it that some are really from God and others not? 2. If you are of opinion that all religions are from God, then would you please like to explain the reason of contradictions between the religions. 3. Is there any way to act upon the teachings of Krishana Ji, without compromising on the teachings of Islam. For example, being a Muslim I cannot meditate, visualising the image of Krishana Ji. Thank you very much. Sincerely, Muhammad Lahore, Pakistan -------------------------- Dear Muhammed Asalaamulakum and Hare Krishna My name is Khan and I have visited Pakistan. My parents are both muslims. And they like good muslim parents encouraged me in the islamic way of life. I had a firm belief in God and feared the day of judgement so tried to be good. But sometimes I would fail. Other times I would speculate more about what Allah was like and what heaven is like. But when I asked my elder Muslim brothers and fathers they would often tell me not to think of these things and just take what the Quran and hadith say, full stop. At this stage in my life I was of the thinking that only Islam, Christianity and Jeudaism were authentic religions since they were all memtioned in the Quran but the Jewish and Christian scriptures had been changed whilst the Quran had stayed the same. But I thought all the other religions were man made idol worship concotions. My muslim upbringing had showed me that Islam was the last and final religion and that Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was the last Prophet. But at the age of 17 I, as are you, was most fortunate to come in contact with the Bhagavad-Gita As It Is and Srila Prabhupada's books. As I read the BHagvad-Gita and many other smaller books I began to realise that all the religions were actually linked. Each religion would come due to time place and circumstance to elevate those particular people to the level of human beings who would begin to engage their minds on God. "Hinduism" is the oldest then Budhism then Judaism then Christianity then Islam then Sikhism and then Lord CAitanya came. Each had their purpose. You can research each if you want. But when you compare the scriptures of each you will begin to see that there is a common link. Each believes in ONE ultimate God/Reality and each gives processes on how to reach this final goal/reality. You said in your enquiring message: 1. Why different religions, and I am refering specially to Islam and Hinduism,are in contradiction to each other? Is it that some are really from God and others not? 2. If you are of opinion that all religions are from God, then would you please like to explain the reason of contradictions between the religions. Well some contradictions that I originally thought of between Hinduism(specifically Bhakti Yoga) and Islam: 1)Reincarnation- I always had a strong inclination that reincarnation occurs even before I came in contact with Krishna consciousness. But Muslims believe that after this life one is judged by God to go into heaven or hell to enjoy or suffer forever onwards. Whereas the Vedic literatures teach us that indeed at the time of death one is judged according to the deeds one has done in that life(ie Karma) and given appropriate next life in either heavenly or hellish body based on qualifications and deire. In fact it is some dear servants of God that look after this process not God directly. Why because in doing so they please God in their service. So if you act righteously and do good deeds and desire to go to heven, after death your soul will be transfered to heaven and you will be born into a heavenly planet. There are different levels of heavenly planets ==7different levels== same as the Islam teaches us in Quran and HAdith that there are 7 levels of heaven. But the real difference in spiritual life of the vedic literatures is that God does not live in the heavenly planets. Even the Quran says that God created the Earth and the Heavens which means that He existed before the Heavens and therfore these are not His eternal abode. So not only do the Vedic LIteratures explain about what the heavenly planets are and how to get there it also explains about Gods abode and how to get there. This is the SPIRITUAL WORLD. In fact there is a HAdith that explains that when Prophet Muhammed ascended to God he penatrated all 7 layers of Heaven. So in fact the aim of life in both religions is to get to God and help serve Him, not simply a paradise were you can enjoy your senses more. The issue of reincarnation is about realisation really. If you come to the understanding that you are not the body that is constantly changing but rather you are pure spirit soul covered in the materialism then this is a start. (concept of soul is in Islam). But the next stage is to realise that the soul is not the same as the body. It is eternal. But then you may argue that only God is eternal. But God is the eternal master (allah hu akbar) and we are the eternal servants. How can you be a master if there is noone to master over. So the real understanding I have gained is that the soul was not created, we are part and parcel of God. But simultaneously different. 2)Vegetarianism- Now many Muslims almost think that it is faraz(a must) to eat meat to be a muslim. This is simply wrong. At that time remeber the civilisation was quite degraded and the majority of the people would be eating meat, intoxicating on alcohol and gambling and so many other corrupt things. If you study the Quran it will show in the earlier time that the Prophet allowed alcohol in moderation, but later verses do not allow. This is due to at that time place and circumstance to slowly raise the level of the people. Similarly although meat eating is allowed it is not necesarry. In Islam when you kill an animal the halal you must look the animal in the eye and recite Quranic verse and offer 6/7ths of the animal to the poor and eat the rest with your family. Who does this now? In England they have big slaughterhouses. Even Muslim ones and they have a tape player of an Imam saying the payers that recirculates agian and again while the animals are killed one by one in a profit business fashion. I am vegetarian and would only eat meat if necesarry. Muslims would even ask me about Eid and HAjj, shouldnt you eat meat then? But lets look at the story behind this. When Prophet Abraham was about to sacrife his son due to God asking him in dreams God stopped him and allowed him to sacrifice a sheep instead. But does this really mean that every muslim to celebrate this day should kill a sheep and enjoy and laugh and have party and dress in new fashionable clothes? Or is the moral of the story that on this day we should be prepared to sacrifice something that we are attached too much to(like TV or pop music or so on)? 3)Deity worship- In Prophet Muhammeds time there was an ancient Vedic culture in ancien arabia. But this had become corrupted. And instead of worshipping God people were woshipping stones for some material benefit. MAny idols of many so-called Gods were present. THe general society was degraded---women and men dancing naked around the Kaba and alcohol drinking and gambling and so many other degrading acts. So at that time place and circumstance a system needed to be introduced to change this society into more of human civilsation. So the Prophet came with Quran and began to win many followers and destroy all these idols and degraded society. Islam would preach no Idol Worshipping, drinking and gave a social structure where women would be honoured. But Diety worship is not the same as idol worship. Dieties are the authentic forms of God. Just as in the Quran there are many different names of God (for to Him belong all the beutiful names) at least 99 showing His different attributes. So similarly in the VEdic scriptures there are many different forms of God. No one says that since the muslims call Allah by so many different names then they believe in so many different Gods. So if you begin to see Hinduism in this light then you will realise that even the Hindus believe in only one God. You also asked: 3. Is there any way to act upon the teachings of Krishana Ji, without compromising on the teachings of Islam. For example, being a Muslim I cannot meditate, visualising the image of Krishana Ji. For me personally it helps me to think of Krishna better when I can see a picture of Him rather than reading a name like Allah or Krishna. But remeber even the names are so spiritually powerful. Because Allah is absolute that means His name, form and voice are non-different. Remember often in the Quran it says that prophets heard God say this or that. So if you can hear God what is the difficulty in seeing God. God is on the absolute platform. So if you can keep the beutiul names of Allah on your lips all the time then you will be spiritually successful. Even in the Quran there are references of God's personmal features. These I can give you. Where it mentions that God has eyes,hands, face etc. Remember this is not a material limited body like ours. When a devotee sees a picture of Krishna the picture acts as a spiritual tool because straight away he is reminded of God. So I recommend that you continue to remeber God in the best way you can. If this means keeping His names on your lips then this is also very perfect. PLease keep reading Srila Prabhupada's books. They are not ordinary books. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. So many people are converting. But those who convert from Islam, it takes something really powerful to do this. For me I have found this in the Vedic literatures. But remeber you don't have to give up or throw away anything. You can still pray 5 times a day, go to Masjid and celebrate Eid. But if you want to increase your spirtual life even further then please my Muslim brother take advantage of the knowledge in these books. And distribute it to as many people as you can. After all Muslim means one who submits to the will of Allah. Please let me know if there are more confusions. Remeber spiritual life is a process of realisation. It may not happen overnight. Please take care and thank you very much. Khud Hafiz and Hare Krishna Khan

it would seem that your son is at an age where he can make decisions for himself so I would not consider this situation to be similar to horrible situation of missionairies converting young hindu children with promises of wealth,etc... could this be due to bad parenting? it seems like your son has mental problems if he believes he can bring people back from dead. did you ask him to dicuss this with his christian advisor? ask him for proof of jesus miracles. what is written in mahabharata is everything and what is not written in mahabharata is nothing. if your son is intelligent he will be drawn to mahabharata as i was.

thanks, i read whole mahabharata,including gita, many years ago when i had time to read non-science textbooks. i was not religious hindu until college when i joined hindu students council chapter. i am explaining this to a buddhist which i should know more about. i will steal what you said. << are you saying varna not passed down by birth? >> yes. ideally so. yes maadav, if we can convince muslims in india of this as well as other sects we can make our case stronger. this is by far your best response to any of my questions. if you stick to truth o fhinduism then you need not bash islam, you only make them not want to listen to you. http://krishna.org/ctfote/varnash.html Question: why then could people not see Karna was ksatriya given his gunas and karma would undoubtedly say so? WHy he had to live life as sutaputra?

can you refer me to this section of Gita which explains varnas. Also, is it possible for someone to be Bramhin by birth, but not by guna and karma? are you saying varna not passed down by birth?

thank you h85, why not register? secondly, I respect maadav and his viewpoints and do not consider him to be an ignorant person, just the opposite. i do feel however that he has some hatred in his heart (and I can understand where this hate comes from) and he would be better to let it rise away from him. we all want what is best for bharat and the protection of its people. islam cannot be reconciled with hindu tradition and it is true we did not invade any other lands with our ways of life and islam has. that said, we cannot lower ourselves to that level. i would also appreciate a response to my post as well.

be aware some would argue that aryans from caucus region came to india and instilled vedic culture or mixed culture with aboriginal peoples so Hinduism's beginnings may have started with what I would not call invasion, but foreign influence (at least to aboriginal peoples). Read scientific paper: Analysis of Indian population based on Y-STRs reveals existence of male gene flow across different language groups. Saha A, Udhayasuriyan PT, Bhat KV, Bamezai R. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14659043 and.... Population genetic analysis among five Indian population groups using six microsatellite markers. Hum Biol. 2003 Apr;75(2):189-203. PMID: 12943158 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12943158 yes, and , "some" buddhist temples all across bharat became converted to hindu temples (and yes turks and arabs did play a small role in the destruction of buddhism in bharat). there is archeological evidence you cannot deny. no, but you are not sri krsna to make that judgement for yourself. only krsna justifies the end to the means. gandhiji did not believe in being passive at all times. gandhiji would approve of using violence only as the last resort (if a man was about to shoot at school children and there was no other way to stop him then you should kill him). Satyagrahis understand this. majority of hindus do not understand hinduism as they cannot read or do not have access to vedic books. it would be inaccurate to say that majority of hindus are educated like yourself regarding vedic texts. majoruty hindus know stories only passed on to them orally or from TV serials maybe (and serials are wrong, like Ramayan serial). you also have not answered all of h85's questions.

well said h85!

so you acknowledge existence of gods (plural)? you acknowledge that God can have a son? Why jews disagree with you? why malign hindus? question: did jesus write your new testament?

bad association, but none of it pervaded him. bhishma said whoever side krsna is on is on the side of truth and karna acknowledged this. it could have been easy for karna to assume his rightful place among pandavas, but he choose not to.

yes, but how how karna died? Why knowing it was a trick, did Karna give gift of Kavacha and Kundala to Indra? why yudhisthira told draupadi and pandavas not to divulge their identity or real names to King Virat. why he give a false name, false caste and false profession to the king and repeated it again and again while training the king in the art of gambling. karna did not lie to parasurama.

at same time, why TV serial altered the story?

KARNA!!!The greatest,most honorable, most beautiful warrior in all of Bharat! Before departing for Upalavya Krishna took Karna and Satyaki in his chariot. They drove away out of the city and reached a place where no human beings could be seen. Krishna left Satyaki in the chariot and took Karna’s hand in his hands and walked away to some distance. Krishna asked Karna, "You are good person. You know the most subtle shades of dharma. Why are you siding with this sinful Duryodhana? Your knowledge of the Vedas and its branches is profound and deep. Your understanding of Shastras is perfect. You are an embodiment of dharma. There is nothing about dharma, which you do not now. But still you are siding with the unrighteous? I do not understand. Karna smiled and said, "My lord you are right. A person who follows the path of dharma should not side with the unrighteous. But the case of Duryodhana is different. I love him too much. He is my friend. Everyone in the world had doubts about my bravery. This is because I am a lowborn Sutaputra. Duryodhana is the only one who never thought of it. Many years ago, once I came to Hastinapura in search of job to earn a living. It coincided with a tournament which was being held there to celebrate the completion of the eduacation of the Kuru princes as the ashram of their teacher Dronacharya. They were displaying the skills learnt from their guru. Drona had refused to accept me as a pupil as I was a Sutaputra. I had to go to lord Parashuram to learn the art of the warfare. But even he cursed me for my birth as a Sutaputra. When I reached the venue of the tournament, I could not bear the pride shown by Arjuna about his skills in archery. I threw a challenge at him, but my this audacity was made a cause of my humiliation and insult as I was not a Kshatriya, I was a Sutaputra When I was insulted by the Pandavas. Duryodhana sided with me. He made me the king of Anga country. Full of gratitude, when I asked him what could I do for him in return of this gesture, just he took my hand in his and said, "I want only your friendship. Nothing else." My lord many years passed but still I am a friend of Duryodhana and an under the debt of his gratitude. I never bear to bring any ill thought about him in my mind. In this world only my mother Radha and Duryodhana, these too have given their love and affection to me. I am also living to do whatever I can do for their happiness. I have no craving for my life. I live only for these two." Krishna said that the debt of gratitude is the most difficult to repay. Do you know about your birth? Who are your mother and father? Karna said, "I do not know this my lord." I get a dream sometime. It comes repeatedly, I guess that I am born to serve royal princess. Ganga flows before her palace. Possibly she abandoned me as I was born before her marriage. My rearing took place at the hands of Atiratha and his wife Radha. Atiratha had found me floating in a basket on the waves of mother Ganga. He gave me to his wife Radha. Since they had been my mother and father. They spared no efforts to lavish me with all the love and affection in the world. I too have all my love and affection for them. I do not wish to know about my mother who gave me birth. She might have forgotten me. She might have had more sons. Earlier I used to see the dream more often but subsequently it became less and less frequent. As she might have got some more sons, she might have forgotten me completely, remembering me very rarely. I do not grieve. Radha is my mother and Atiratha is my father. Krishna eyes were full of tears. He looked at Karna with infinite compassion and said, "Karna you are right. Your mother was a princess. She had to abandon you for the reason you have correctly guessed. She has many sons now but she can never forget her first born beautiful son who was born wearing divine Kavacha and Kundala. She could never fill the emptiness in her heart caused by you, though she has other children. Her heart is still empty. Karna was filled with surprise hearing all this. He exclaimed, "That means I am not a Sutaputra. I am a Kshatriya. Is it true? You talk as if you know my mother who is she? Is she living? Can I see her? Kindly tell me, my lord." Krishna took Karna’s hand in his hand and said, "The truth is your mother has five sons who are the best warriors in the world." Karna’s breath was taken away by this revelation. He asked Krishna that was he suggesting that Kunti was his mother and the Pandavas his brother? Who else could be five warriors with no match to them in the world. Is it true O Krishna? Krishna said that it was true Karna was the eldest Pandavas and the first born of Kunti. He was born before marriage of Kunti with Pandu took place. Karna asked, then my lord, you may know who is my father? Kindly tell me who is he? Krishna said, your istadeva Surya is your father." Karna remained in a trance for sometime. Then he opened his eyes and said, really I am the most unfortunate among human beings. Lord Sun is my father, Kunti is my mother, Five Pandavas the most righteous and the noblest Yudhisthira, the most powerful among men Bhima, the greatest archer Arjuna, the most handsome Nakula and the most learned Sahdeva are my younger brothers. And I am known as a Sutputra in the world. Lord Parashurama must have known this secret through his inner eyes. That is why he cursed me in this manner. A stream of hot tears flowed from the eyes of Karna. After sometime he wiped his tears. He said, "My lord you knew this secret all the time. Why did not you tell me earlier? Why have you chosen to reveal this to me at this time I was so eager to know about my mother and father all these years. You are telling me now? Krishna was full of compassion for Karna, he said," because I want to save you from certain death. I want you to live. Accordingly to dharma, you are the eldest Pandavas, sons born to a maiden, become the sons of the man she marries. This is the rule of dharma. Now you know that you are the eldest among the Pandavas, on your mother’s side you are my cousin. You shall be announced a king and all the Pandavas shall be there to serve you and obey your commands. Draupadi will also be your wife. You are like Yudhisthira in righteousness, You are compassionate like Bhima, You are equal to Arjuna in archery and warfare, you are handsome like Nakula and you are wise and learned like Sahdeva. You shall enjoy the kingdom of the earth. Come, join with me, I shall give you the kingdom of the world. You will also gain five brothers and mother. Karna looked at Krishna and said, My lord, you have told me about my mother and brothers, out of infinite compassion you have for me. Undoubtedly, I am a Pandava by dharma. But my mother Kunti had forsaken me. She does not need me, I was brought up by Radha. I regard her as my mother and I am Radheya. Atiratha is my father in the same way. These two have given me all love and affection due to a son. The entire world and its unstinted rule mean nothing to me in face of their love. The splendor of the entire world cannot lure me to abandon the path of the truth. Duryodhana is my friend and I am grateful and indebted to him. I have pledged my support for him in the war. I cannot go back from my promise. The kingdom of the entire world, good family name eternal fame, five god like brothers and a mother like Kunti and her love and affection hold immense attraction and charm, but the truth is dearer still to me, my lord. You want me to come under your shelter to save me from death. The Pandavas are under your protection. Thus they are invincible. No one can defeat them. I have to side with Duryodhana. I am the only hope he has. I shall die with him in the battlefield and would attain my release from this bondage of life. I have always been chosen as a target by the fate. I have been living to fight with Arjuna in the war. By revealing that he is my younger brother now you have killed my enthusiasm. Now I do not wish to fight with him, though it has been my long cherished desire to meet him in a final duel. Since you have disclosed the secret of my birth at such a critical juncture I want to be very angry with you, but it is just not possible for anyone to be angry with you, my lord. You are my ultimate redeemer and you want only my well being. But I want to ask you something. Hearing this Krishna immediately agreed to grant Karna whatever he desired. Karna took Krishna’s hand in his hands and said, "My lord you know the secret of my birth, but I request you not to disclose this to the Pandavas till I live. If the noble Pandavas come to know my identity they will not be able to fight me. Yudhisthira is the embodiment of dharma. I wish he becomes the emperor. He is fully competent to become the greatest emperor in the world under your guidance. I know that the Pandavas shall win and we will lose. Through out my life I endeavored to save my reputation. I never allowed anything to sully my fair renown. I am desirous of short but glorious life. I shall get fame even in my defeat and even in my death. It is very cherished desired. Krishna smiled and asked, "How come you are so sure of the victory of the Pandavas?" Karna said, "This war of Kurukshetra is a sacrifice. You are the presiding deity. Arjuna is the chief priest. All other Pandavas are acting only on your directions. The sons of Dhritarastra, Bhishma, Drona, Kripa, all other soldiers and warriors and me are the offerings in this sacrifice. All will attain the heaven by laying down their lives in this battlefield. I too, will see you in the heaven, I hope my lord, I now beg your leave to go. Krishna embraced Karna, he took his hands in his own, his eyes were filled with tears, he looked at Karna with deep love and compassion and they both walked towards the chariot. http://www.urday.com/mkarna.htm

Yudhistara was untruthful at the end war, so his chariot fell from grace. When did Karna ever lie? (he did not lie to Lord Parasurama.) Karna exceeds pandavas in all war aspects and beauty, and honor. karna committed no crimes, he kept his honor and word to duryodhana. sri krsna said: karna is the greatest of all the pandavas in my opinion.

with more respect, please read mahabharata for explantion. panadavas and draupadi are god incarnations.

Govindaram, respectfully, does not Karna possess all qualities of Pandava brothers?

yes, does anyone speak latin anymore? sanskrit is mother cognate of languages in india.sanskrit is ancient indian language.

first they were gods, i don;t remember the complete backstory on that though. second pandavas mother told arjuna to share the "prize" he won. arjuna not allowed to disobey his mother so panadava brothers had to share draupadi. about marriage, why chrisitan and muslims have so high divorce rates? 50% divorce rate in america?

12 Nepalese Hostages Said Slain in Iraq By RAVI NESSMAN, Associated Press Writer BAGHDAD, Iraq - A gruesome video posted on a Web site purported to show militants beheading a Nepalese worker and shooting 11 others in the first mass slaying of foreign hostages during the Iraqi insurgency. If confirmed, it would raise the number of foreign workers known to have been slain by extremists to at least 22 in a terror campaign aimed at forcing foreign troops and contract workers out of the country.. Interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi promised retribution. "The only solution with this unjust group is to make them face justice," he angrily told the Arab-language Al-Arabiya television station. In Nepal, relatives grieved after hearing the news. "What sins have I committed to deserve this?" said Jit Bahadur Khadka, the father of one of those reportedly killed, 19-year-old Ramesh Khadka. In another hostage crisis, French officials held talks in Paris and around the Arab world in hopes of saving the lives of two journalists held by other insurgents in Iraq (news - web sites). The kidnappers set a Wednesday deadline for France rescind its ban on Muslim head scarves in French schools, a demand France has said it won't meet. But it wasn't immediately clear when the deadline expired. Some officials thought Wednesday morning, but the head of the Arab League, Amr Moussa, said his group had been told the deadline was Wednesday night. Guerrillas in Iraq have taken more than 100 foreigners hostage in recent months, often demanding that their home countries withdraw troops from the U.S.-led coalition or pull out their citizens doing civilian work. Some have demanded that a hostage's employer promise to halt all business here. Nepal, which has no troops in Iraq, has long banned its citizens from working in Iraq because of security concerns. However, many people from the poor Asian nation take jobs abroad, and 17,000 Nepalese are believed to have slipped into Iraq, with many working as armed security guards for foreign contractors. "We strongly condemn the terrorist act and urge the international community to speak against this terrorist act," Nepalese Foreign Minister Prakash Sharan Mahat said after an emergency Cabinet meeting held in Katmandu amid criticism the government did not do enough to save the men. Elsewhere, efforts to broker a truce between militants loyal to rebel Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and the government appeared to bear fruit Tuesday. Iraqi police fanned out without incident through the Baghdad slum of Sadr City, which had been the scene of fierce clashes between al-Sadr loyalists and U.S. troops in recent weeks. Allawi told tribal leaders from Sadr City that the government had allocated $115 million to improve public services in the district, including water, electricity and sewage. "The resumption and the stability of life in your city and in the whole of Iraq is a very important issue," Allawi said. Meanwhile, the second-ranking U.S. diplomat in Iraq, James Jeffrey, met with Gov. Adnan al-Zurufi in the holy city of Najaf, the center of a three-week uprising by al-Sadr followers that ended Friday. Jeffrey went to assess the "immediate needs of the city" and examine ways to rebuild it. The 12 Nepalese hostages, who had been sent by a Jordanian firm to do construction work in Iraq, disappeared Aug. 19, soon after crossing into the country from Jordan in two cars. The next day, a Web statement from the little known Ansar al-Sunna Army claimed to be holding them and demanded Nepal stop sending its workers here. The video Tuesday showed a masked man in desert camouflage apparently slitting the throat of a blindfolded man lying on the ground. The victim moaned and a shrill wheeze was heard. The masked man then showed the severed head to the camera before throwing it in the dirt and later resting it on the victim's chest. Other footage showed a militant with an assault rifle killing the other 11 men, who were lying face down on the ground, with a series of shots into their heads and backs. Blood seeped from their bodies onto the sand. The apparent mass killing of hostages was a first. Previously, insurgents killed hostages in ones, and perhaps twos, as part of their campaign to force foreign troops and contract workers out of the country. "America today has used all its force, as well as the help of others, to fight Islam under the so-called war on terror, which is nothing but a vicious crusade against Muslims," a statement on the Web site signed Ansar al-Sunna Army said. The group also threatened anyone else working with U.S. forces in Iraq, saying executions would befall "every agent, traitor and spy." Mahat, the Nepalese foreign minister, said his government would help the families "and take action against the people who sent them illegally to this dangerous area for work." Iyad Mansoor, director-general of the Morning Star Co., a Jordan-based services firm that employed the Nepalese, said he hired them through the Nepal-based Moonlight Co. to work in factories in Jordan. The Muslim Scholars Association, an influential Sunni Muslim group believed to have links to insurgents, condemned the claimed mass killing, saying such acts did not help Iraq. "We believe most of them were simple-minded and tempted to come to Iraq," Mohammed Bashar al-Faidi, a spokesman for the group, said of the Nepalese. "We wished they could have been released by the kidnappers so that they could have become messengers for their brothers to warn them not to come to Iraq." In violence Tuesday: _Unidentified gunmen killed Ibrahim Ismael, head of the education department in the northern city of Kirkuk, police Col. Sarhat Qadir said. Three of Ismael's bodyguards were wounded. _In south Baghdad, assailants attacked a police patrol with grenades, killing one officer and wounding two, said Naji Bahr Naji al-Khalidi, an official with Iraq's FPS security force. _Insurgents attacked a U.S. patrol in Mosul, 225 miles northwest of Baghdad, sparking a gunbattle in which U.S. troops wounded one of the assailants, the Army said. One civilian was killed and a second was wounded in crossfire, Lt. Col. Paul Hastings said. _Gunmen fired at a car near the town of Latifiyah, 25 miles south of Baghdad, killing Shiite scholar Bashir al-Jazaari and his driver and wounding two passengers, authorities said. ___ Associated Press writer Binaj Gurubacharya in Katmandu, Nepal, contributed to this report.

is this true?

what do the ghosts look like, if your family can see them? Does your families take any medications or have been clinically diagnosed with dimentia?

agree

though i disagree with your views i do believe that it is in islamic culture to respect conquerors or people who win military victories consistently.

intro music from the old mahabharata TV serials? looking everywhere, even on kazaa and cannot find. MAAAAHHHAAAAAABHHHAAAAAAARAAAAAAAATTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jinnah's grandson is an Indian. Bangladeshis now come to India to find work. Pakistan's Muslim unity broke apart into Bangladesh (so what makes them think Kashmir would not want the same). There is no pan arab islamic state. all reasons for pakistan turned out to not be true. one cannot create a country based on religion. it will fail. religion and politics do not mix, that is why america successful. why nepal not friendly to bharat? india listen up.