talasiga

Originally posted by Maitreya:

It is not the Name that has poisonous effect.It is the mayavada philosophy that gives the poisonous effect.

 

The moon is full talasiga.Stare at the finger if you wish.

I can only see

the Crescent Moon

BTW, I am disappointed in you, Maitreya,

as you have not identified

the flaw in my arguments

Originally posted by Bhaktavasya:

Jayasriradhe/Cintamani das

Well I have organised an unofficial ballot

on this question but have been

disappointed because no-one

has responded

Originally posted by animesh:

The world is a miracle.

Yes

and you are

a miracle also

thank you friend

Originally posted by animesh:

Just now I came to know jndas ji's name.

Animesh !

Will miracles never cease ?

Originally posted by Maitreya:

I would love to hear an advanced soul with knowledge of rasa discourse on this song.

Perhaps the "advanced soul"

is too modest

to put herself forward.

Would Maitreya reconsider his request?

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Yes, Atmashraya

I must agree, he is doing a very "nice job" indeed.

I only wished that when he took part in discussions he did so with the status of "JN Das, Member" and when he was moderating he did it, of course, as "Administrator". This would help to ward off any misconstrued perceptions of conflict of interest.

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Originally posted by nine9:

It really disappoints me when everyone thinks that all gay men are promiscuous, or even have "sexual" relations. For the record both my current and previous relationships are/were conjugal, but completely free from sexual gratification.

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Surely we can all experience certain rasas in a pure way, not dominated by sex, no matter what our bodies?

 

 

Dear nine9

It seems to me that you dont have a homosexual relationship but a transgender one in as much as there does not appear to be a gender sexual parameter in the loving intimacy between you - the sex is transcended.

What a blessing that you are able to embrace this intimacy without its energy being subsumed or disrupted by the expiations of sex.

Spiritual intimacy between people can be problematic in so many ways in the industrialised society that we live in.

Many are afraid to get soulfully close to another for fear of arousing corollary erotic urges, whether the other is of the opposite sex or not, - erotic urges that would be inappropriate to the moral, societal or even psychological situation of the persons.

Others see "spiritual intimacy" as only some sort of highly genteel prequel to sex or as necessarily part and parcel of a refined sexual experience.

Of course spiritual intimacy without sexual practice need not be devoid of, or deny the the erotic current. However this may well express itself in a flavour of platonic love. I think this is what you mean by rasa.

Kindest Regards

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Originally posted by Maitreya:

Now talasiga,I am surprised at you.This is a classic case of your mistaking the finger for the moon.Don't look at the finger, see rather where it is pointing,to the moon.

 

Yes

For the finger (the analogy) to point

to the moon (the subject)

there must be consonance

between the elements in the analogy

and the elements in the subject.

If this does not occur

then the finger is not pointing

in the direction of the moon

and we are left, askance,

staring at a finger.

Moreover,

where the subject

is a matter of Truth

the elements in the analogy

must be as true as possible.

As milk does not take on a poisonous effect

simply because the snake's lips touched it,

the only truthful construct that can be obtained between the milk analogy

and the Holy Names is that

just as milk does not take on

a poisonous effect

neither do the Holy Names.

HariNaam ki Jay !

Originally posted by Maitreya:

The effects are poisonous.Where does it say the Names Themselves become poisonous?

 

OKAY sweetie.

I will avoid the hair splitting pedantic arguments regarding the difference between something being intrinsically poisonous and something not poisonous but having a poisonous effect !

Yes I will avoid that argument by AGREEING with you. Yes, it is said by certain authorities that the hearing of the Holy Names from the lips of a non devotee has a POISONOUS EFFECT.

Now, if this statement is accepted we still obtain scope for Melvin's idea of a Hare Krishna "virus" ("POISON"). As you may be aware, viruses need not, ipso facto, be a poison and, yet, under certain conditions can give rise to poisonous effects. Is the Hare Krishna virus that Melvin is raving about a concept for the POISONOUS EFFECT of so many non devotees chanting the MahaMantra?

(Oh, by the way, a saucer of milk is not poisoned by a snake drinking from it. OOps. I am sorry - let me rephrase that: A saucer of milk touched by the lips of a snake does not give rise to poisonous effects by virtue of a snake having touched it.)

Originally posted by Maitreya:

First where is it said that the Divine Names become poisonous?Exactly please.

http://realaudio.krishna.org/

go to "Explaination [sic] of Hare Krishna Maha Mantra"

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Originally posted by Gauracandra:

I don't want to get side tracked

Yes ! Well !

Let's get back on tracks.

The "subject" of this thread, as commenced by Melvin, is the Hare Krishna Virus (for virus read "POISON"). This is a most BIZARRE subject until one recalls it being said (in another place) that the Divine Names become POISONOUS if heard from the lips of a non devotee.

Now Satyaraja has been recently described as a "Master Morph". However he must pale in comparison to the Divine Names which are alleged to become poisonous if uttered by certain class of persons who happen to predominate in this Age of Kali, the very Age in which the Holy Names are the only Way to Deliverance. From Divine to Virus, from Healing to Poison, the Supreme Morph ?

In case my point is missed:-

Just how bizarre is Melvin's suggestion if you consider that the Divine Names are said to become poisonous under certain CONDITIONS ?

Originally posted by Gauracandra:

Let me correct myself. I may have misspoken and confused who said what. Messages have been edited so I'm not sure if Satya said the above statement, or Melvin, or someone else. If it wasn't Satyaraj, then I apologize for the confusion.

 

No need to apologise for any puported confusion. However, if you are leaving please allow me to put this to Satyaraja:-

"You seem to be doing the double-speak again. It was you who said that Visnu and Narayana are more popular than Krsna. JNDas has disputed this statement of yours. Now you criticize his statement by stating that Visnu, Narayana, and Krsna are all the same Hari." So, my dear friend, how can Hari be more popular than Hari ?

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Originally posted by Gauracandra:

Satyaraja,

You seem to be doing the double-speak again.

What about the statements:

The Holy Name is Divine and non different from the Lord.

However heard from the lips of a non devotee It is poison - just like milk touched by the lips of a serpent becomes poisonous.

Is this another example of double speak ?

Originally posted by melvin:

If Krishna Consciousness is such a

BIG DEAL, then why can they not spend

God`s money on printing in the news-

papers about the Sankirtana movement

of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu?

Dear Melvin

Our relationship with the Divine

is a secret PRIVATE matter

not for publication

Our attempts to

communicate it to closest others

often ends in the greatest disappointment.

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Originally posted by leyh:

I would be grateful if anyone can offer me suggestions as to how I can improve the quality of my chanting...

 

Dear Leyh

please see the following threads:-

1) Are we spiritually advanced yet?

2) Japa walking

Speaking of key masters,

Meher Baba (1894 - 1969)

the famous indian mystic

was from a Zoroastrian family

from Poona.

A look at his life and teachings

shows the wonderful ecumenical tapestry

woven by the God intoxicated ones.

[This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 08-24-2001).]

Originally posted by jijaji:

Whay do we beat this 'DEAD HORSE' over and over and over again.

 

Neigh ! Neigh !

I ain't dead.

I know I got fleas

But pleaeeese

Beating me

Wont kill them

Originally posted by premananda:

That was very beautiful. I especially liked "Kiss only the Name". Thank you.

Dear Premananda,

I am glad you liked it.

I am expressing a relative position

with an absolute sentiment

Please give my warm regards

to Vegavan Das and Padmavati DeviDasi

from the Coconut King of Carlton

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Saint John of the Cross poem:

O LIVING FLAME OF LOVE

O living flame of love

That tenderly wounds my soul

In its deepest center! Since

Now you are not oppressive,

Now consumate! if it be Your will.

Tear through the veil

of this sweet encounter!

O sweet cautery,

O delightful wound!

O gentle hand! O delicate touch

That tastes of eternal life

And pays every debt!

In killing You change death to life.

O lamps of fire

In whose splendors

The deep caverns of feeling

Once obscure and blind,

Now give forth, so rarely, so exquisitely,

Both warmth and light to their Beloved.

How gently and lovingly

You wake in my heart,

Where in secret You dwell alone;

And by Your sweet breathing,

Filled with good and glory,

How tenderly You swell my heart with love!

a translation found in a book by

Nitya Chaitanya Yati entitled

Love and Devotion

copyright 1979

published by East West University of Brahmavidya

Srinivasapuram, Varkala, India.

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Rig Ved Sanghita: 10.191 - 2

Sam gacchadvam sam vadadhvam

sam no manaamsi jaanataam;

Devaa bhaagam yathaa poorve'

sam jaanaanaa upaasate' .

Together shall we walk, together talk

together our minds understand;

Thus did the gods in olden times

reach their divine ends.

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Dear Leyh and others,

I love the spell binding rhythm in this verse,

don't you?

I have put the long vowels in bold as these are the ones that take on the "metrical stress". (This is how I was taught).

The translation is my own adaption of one found in "Vedanta Hymns and Songs" published by Vivekananda Vedanta Society (whose address in 1972 was:

5423 S. Hyde Park Blvd.

Chicago

- I thing thats in the US)

sam kind wishes

from

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[This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 08-24-2001).]

Originally posted by shvu:

Oh Talasiga......

Didn't you read the full sentence before?

 

Oh Great Shvu !

While I was reading it

It disappeared

Originally posted by Gauracandra:

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your questions are missing

Dear Suryaz,

the BELIEF itself

is an experience.

What is the nature of Experience?