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<center><big>Counting Beads</big>
Know thou this secret :
nothing at all is gained
By counting over the polished beads of the rosary,
While the mind still wanders out into the world .
But if you turn the rosary of the mind,
Thy body will be full of light within.
Even if an age-long time is spent in turning the rosary,
The mind will never take a turn unto the Lord.
O brother! Throw aside the rosary in your hand,
And turn the rosary of your mind instead.
The rosary of the mind, declares Kabir,
Is the only rosary that is worth while.
The physical rosary is an empty show.
If by turning the rosary you could meet the Lord,
Why does the Persian wheel, Revolving day and night,
remain without the Lord?
In thy hand there turneth ever the beads of the rosary ;
In thy mouth there turneth the tongue;
Thy mind turneth in ten directions;
This, my dear friend, I say,
Is no remembrance of the Name of the Lord.
SANT KABIR
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Another interesting question:interesting question.
Since Shiva is dear to Krishna why not worship shiva ?
Well Shiva is a devotee of Krishna ,so
why not be like him ?
Since Radha is dear to Krishna why not worship Radha ?
Radha is the best devotee of Krishna, so Vaishnavas,
why not be like her ?
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<center> Click below for more scriptural quotes
<big><font color="red">More Shiva-Vishnu Discussion</font></big>
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<center><big>You are in me</big>
You are in me
I am in you
Still to see you separate
The joy gets expression!
Expression of vision
Expression of sound
Expression of touch!
The beauty you possess
The music you play
The melodious songs
Sweet and tipsy words
And Soft featherlike touch!
I need you separate from me!
Fools seek salvation
Mingling of Soul and God
Without any expression!
Sunshine white
The rainbow is enjoying
The colorful display
Separate apperance the key!
O! Krishna!
Pour your love
Like rain pours
With exciting thundering and lightening
So is your lightening touch
Glances and sweet words
Of thundering emotions!
O! Make me wet
Both body and mind
Let it drench in
The loving shower of
Your unending love!
by shreeradha
divinelove2/
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The original well known 'Mahaa Vaakya' from Upanishads are not manufactured by neo-advaitins nor neo-gaudiyas.He clearly defines Aham and Brahman and then establishes the upanishadic principle.
What is a 'mahAvAkya'? Here is an excerpt:
Acaya Shankara Bhagavatpada revealed the wisdom of the Vedas, as lived and experienced by him in his direct insight. He fashioned the verses in the dye of the four great commandments 'mahAvAkya' declared in our four Vedas:
1. In the Rig Veda (Aitreya Upanishad 3.3) is the mahAvAkya that defines Absolute Reality : 'Absolute Consciousness is Brahman' - "prajnAnaM brahma".
2. Enshrined in YajurVeda (Brhadaranyaka Upanishad 1.1.10) we have the roar of Realization, "ahaM brahmAsmi", 'I am Brahman'.
3. Set along the songful mantras of the Sama Veda (Chandogya Upanishad 6.14.3, 6.8.7) we have the commandment that represent the advise of the masters, "tat tvaM asi", 'That Thou art'.
4. And roaring from the Atharvana Veda (Mandukyopanishad 1.2), we have the deafening silent experience of the student at his meditation seat, couched in the commandment, "Ayam AtmA brahma", "This Consciousness-in-me, the Self, is Brahman".
(source- Sri Chinmayananda's Commentery on 'Maneesha Panchakam' of Adi Sankaracarya)
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<center><big><font color="red">avidyAm antare vartamAnAH
svayaM dhIrAH paNDitaM manyamAnAH
jaGghanya mAnAH pariyanti mUDhA
andhenaiva nIyamAnA yathA 'ndhAH</font>
<font color="blue">Abiding in the midst of ignorance,
but thinking themselves wise and learned,
fools aimlessly go hither and thither,
like blind led by the blind.</font></big>
- Atharva Veda, Mundaka Upanishad 1.2.8.
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<center><big>rAdhAmohana mandirAdupagataz candrAvalIm UcivAn
rAdhe kSemamiheti tasya vacanaM zrutvAha candrAvalI |
kaMsa kSemamaye vimugdha hRdaye! kaMsaH kva dRSTastvayA
rAdhe kveti vilajjito natamukhaH smero hariH pAtu vaH ||</big>
- Ujjvala nIlamaNi 15.93
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The previous post happened as an accidental error, though I was logged in. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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D: Are there degrees of illusion ?
A: Illusion itself is illusory.
It must be seen by somebody outside it ,
but how can such a seer be subject to it ?
So , how can he speak of degrees of it ?
You see various scenes passing on a cinema screen;
fire seems to burn buildings to ashes ; water seems
to wreck ships ; but the screen on which the
pictures are projected remains unburnt and dry.
Why ? Because the pictures are unreal and the screen real.
Similarly , reflections pass through a mirror but it is
not affected at all by their number or quality.
In the same way , the world is a phenomenon upon the substratum
of the single Reality which is not affected by it in any way.
Reality is only One.
Talk of illusion is due only to the point of view.
Change your viewpoint to that of Knowledge and you will
perceive the universe to be only Brahman.
Being now immersed in the world , you see it as a real world;
get beyond it and it will disappear and Reality alone will remain.
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The Teachings of Ramana Maharshi
Arthur Osborne
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Hari Aum !!!
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<center>This reminds me a verse posted on another board from 'Sri Krishna Karnamritam' of the Rasik Mahatma of South India, Lila Suka Bilva Mangala.He was only pretending to eat rice and dairy products for there was no digestive system inside, to assimilate the food.
Actually the Vrajavasis never paid importance to the Divine body of God nor Supreme Brahman but simply enjoyed His association and exploits in Prema Bhakti Rasa, Divine Love.
kailAso navanItati kSitir ayaM prAgjagdha mRlloSati
kSIrodopi nipItadugdhati lasatsmere praphulle mukhe
mAtrA 'jIrNa dhiyA dRDhaM cakitayAnaSTAsmidRSTaHkayA
"thU thU vatsaka! jIva lIva ciram" ityukto 'vatAnno hariH
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In the words of the Rasik Saint, Sri Bilva Mangala Thakura-
<font color="blue">Mother Yashoda was fondling Baby Krishna on her lap and the adorable Child was smiling with joy opening wide His lotus mouth.
Mother could not help noticing the contents of His stomach!
She was startled to see the 'Kailasa Parvata' Mountain (the snowcapped abode of Lord Shiva on top of the universe) but composed herself thinking that as the previously eaten butter by her Son.
At the sight of the earth planet, she thought that must be the lump of dirt her mischievous Boy was eating earlier.
When she visualized the Ocean of milk, she surely recognized the (undigested) milk drunk by her poor Baby during the day.
By now, mother Yashoda was firmly convinced herself that her precious Child must have been suffering from "indigestion" due to some envious, evil eyes around the neighborhood and by wicked spells.
Being a very loving and caring mother, she innocently pronounced an auspicious incantation to drive out the effects of the evil spell and relieve the distress of her Child, and blessed Him -</font>
<big><font color="red">"Long live, my Child, may You live long!"</big>
Let my Saviour be the same adorable Lord Hari Who was protected by mother Yashoda.</font>
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<center>This reminds me a verse posted on another board from 'Sri Krishna Karnamritam' of the Rasik Mahatma of South India, Lila Suka Bilva Mangala.He was only pretending to eat rice and dairy products for there was no digestive system inside, to assimilate the food.
Actually the Vrajavasis never paid importance to the Divine body of God nor Supreme Brahman but simply enjoyed His association and exploits in Prema Bhakti Rasa, Divine Love.
kailAso navanItati kSitir ayaM prAgjagdha mRlloSati
kSIrodopi nipItadugdhati lasatsmere praphulle mukhe
mAtrA 'jIrNa dhiyA dRDhaM cakitayAnaSTAsmidRSTaHkayA
"thU thU vatsaka! jIva lIva ciram" ityukto 'vatAnno hariH
http://rsodha.members.easyspace.com/hiyashoda.bmp
In the words of the Rasik Saint, Sri Bilva Mangala Thakura-
<font color="blue">Mother Yashoda was fondling Baby Krishna on her lap and the adorable Child was smiling with joy opening wide His lotus mouth.
Mother could not help noticing the contents of His stomach!
She was startled to see the 'Kailasa Parvata' Mountain (the snowcapped abode of Lord Shiva on top of the universe) but composed herself thinking that as the previously eaten butter by her Son.
At the sight of the earth planet, she thought that must be the lump of dirt her mischievous Boy was eating earlier.
When she visualized the Ocean of milk, she surely recognized the (undigested) milk drunk by her poor Baby during the day.
By now, mother Yashoda was firmly convinced herself that her precious Child must have been suffering from "indigestion" due to some envious, evil eyes around the neighborhood and by wicked spells.
Being a very loving and caring mother, she innocently pronounced an auspicious incantation to drive out the effects of the evil spell and relieve the distress of her Child, and blessed Him -</font>
<big><font color="red">"Long live, my Child, may You live long!"</big>
Let my Saviour be the same adorable Lord Hari Who was protected by mother Yashoda.</font>
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bAhire se AlA bholA antare hRdaya galA
mukhe sadA kRSNa bolA cokhe azru mAlA
dInatAya se mATir mAnuS niSThAte acalA
kRSNa dite kRSNa nite dhare zakti sob
alaukika lokavat gauDIya vaiSNob
He looks artless, guileless
but inside his heart is melting;
the name of Krishna is always on his tongue
a garland of tears in his eyes.
In humility though forebearing,
his faith unswerving as a mountain.
To give or take Krishna,
is the power in his hands.
He looks like anyone,
but he is beyond the world.
That is a Gaudiya Vaishnava.
sabAra nIce paRe thAke sabAike se sevya dekhe
sabAra iSTa miSTa bhAkhe kRSNa tattva jñAne
sabAi debA sabAr sevA kRSNa adhiSThAne
nikhila bheda samanvayera mUrti savaibhava
tomAra preme goRA se gauDIya vaiSNava
He humbly takes the lowest place,
sees everyone as someone to serve;
to all he speaks what is pleasing and sweet,
connected to the truth of Krishna;
he knows that Krishna dwells in every soul
and so he gives to all and serves all.
All differences are resolved in him,
this is the glory he incarnates.
Formed through and through by Your love--
that is a Gaudiya Vaishnava.
sarvottama sadainya vinaya nirahaM suzAnti nilaya
nitAi graha grasta hRdaya sadaya vizva jIve
tomAra icchAya cale bale tomAra icchAya seve
tomAra gaNa sange se pAya prema rasArNava
tomAra sRSTa hRSTa iSTa gauDIya vaiSNava
He is the best of all, yet he makes no claims.
He is without ego, the house of blissful peace.
He is under the astral influence of Nitai,
and so merciful to all souls in the universe.
He walks and talks according to Your desire,
according to Your desire, he serves.
When in the company of those who are Yours,
he finds an ocean of relish.
Your personal creation, Your own ecstatic object of worship --
that is a Gaudiya Vaishnava.
(Sri Gopinatha Basak-contributed by Jagat)
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Why have you deleted my post on 'Shikshastaka-3'?
Don't you all follow Lord Caitanya's teachings?
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real vaishnavas are not always humble
Sri Caitanya in His 'Sikshashtaka', gives the cardinal VIRTUES of a REAL VAISHNAVA thus:
"Humbler than the grass,
more tolerant than the tree,
GIVING UP ALL EGOTISM and
PAYING RESPECTS to ALL,
a devotee SHOULD SING OF LORD HARI." (3)
This is the IDEAL which STILL RULES all the REAL Vaishnavas and which they still TRY TO MAINTAIN even through UNFAVORABLE CIRCUMSTANCES.
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<big><font size=+2>Yes, it's Big Deal!!!</font></big>
bAhire se AlA bholA antare hRdaya galA
mukhe sadA kRSNa bolA cokhe azru mAlA
dInatAya se mATir mAnuS niSThAte acalA
kRSNa dite kRSNa nite dhare zakti sob
alaukika lokavat gauDIya vaiSNob
He looks artless, guileless
but inside his heart is melting;
the name of Krishna is always on his tongue
a garland of tears in his eyes.
In humility though forebearing,
his faith unswerving as a mountain.
To give or take Krishna,
is the power in his hands.
He looks like anyone,
but he is beyond the world.
That is a Gaudiya Vaishnava.
sabAra nIce paRe thAke sabAike se sevya dekhe
sabAra iSTa miSTa bhAkhe kRSNa tattva jñAne
sabAi debA sabAr sevA kRSNa adhiSThAne
nikhila bheda samanvayera mUrti savaibhava
tomAra preme goRA se gauDIya vaiSNava
He humbly takes the lowest place,
sees everyone as someone to serve;
to all he speaks what is pleasing and sweet,
connected to the truth of Krishna;
he knows that Krishna dwells in every soul
and so he gives to all and serves all.
All differences are resolved in him,
this is the glory he incarnates.
Formed through and through by Your love--
that is a Gaudiya Vaishnava.
sarvottama sadainya vinaya nirahaM suzAnti nilaya
nitAi graha grasta hRdaya sadaya vizva jIve
tomAra icchAya cale bale tomAra icchAya seve
tomAra gaNa sange se pAya prema rasArNava
tomAra sRSTa hRSTa iSTa gauDIya vaiSNava
He is the best of all, yet he makes no claims.
He is without ego, the house of blissful peace.
He is under the astral influence of Nitai,
and so merciful to all souls in the universe.
He walks and talks according to Your desire,
according to Your desire, he serves.
When in the company of those who are Yours,
he finds an ocean of relish.
Your personal creation, Your own ecstatic object of worship --
that is a Gaudiya Vaishnava.
(Sri Gopinatha Basak-contributed by Jagat)
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<center>A few more sublime verses from 'Sri Rama Carita Manas' of Sant Tulasi Das ji:
krita juga saba jogee vijnaanee
kari hari-dhaan tarahi bhava praanee
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In the golden age of Krita, all the inhabitants were fully enlightened souls and
capable of engaging their minds and hearts in contemplative meditation upon Lord Hari.
Thus they have all crossed over the ocean of material existence.</font>
tretaa vividha yajna nara karahee
prabhuhi samarpi karma bhava tarahee
<font color="blue">
In Treta Yuga, the same results were achieved by the people through performing various sacrificial worship
and offering them for the pleasure of the Lord.</font>
dvaapara kari raghu (yadu) pati pada poojaa
nara bhava tarahi upaaya na doojaa
<font color="red">In the age of Dwapara, there was no alternative solution to achieve the ultimate goal
but through rendering their loving service to the lotus feet of the Lord Himself (Pancaratra).</font>
yahi kali kaala na saadhana doojaa
jog na japa tapa vrat makha poojaa
<font color="blue">
For this fallen age of Kali, there is NO alternative path of spiritual practice such as
yoga meditation, mechanical counting on beads, severe penance & vows
and sacrificial worship to please the heavenly personalities like Indra.</font>
milahi na raghupati binu anuraagaa
kiye joga japa daana viraagaa
<font color="red">
Lord of the Raghu Dynasty, Sri Ramacandra, will not be perceived by the seekers devoid of Divine Love
despite their great yogic meditation, ritualistic practice of 'japa',
charitable deeds and dispassion towards the material world.</font>
Raamahi sumiriya gaayiya raamahi
santata suniya raama guna graamahi
<font color="blue">So please REMEMBER passionately Lord Ramacandra ,
only sing lovingly the holy Names of Rama, always
listen to His Divine attributes, and
blissful exploits alone.</font>
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That explains why genuine Christians believe Jesus sacrificed himself and died for 'their' sins.the sins acquired by the disciples are surely achieved by the genuine spiritual master.
'sarva dharmAn parityajya
mAmekaM zaraNaM vraja,
ahaM tvA sarva pApebhyo
mokSayiSyAmi mA zucaH'
"O Arjuna! Abandon all thoughts of religion and
irreligion and come to Me ALONE for Shelter.
It is then, that I, Who am a Judge to all,
will cease to judge in your case, and
will instead pardon your countless past sins
of past lives, through My Grace."
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You are right. It is verse 28 of 'Prapanna Gita'- containing prayers of surrender to God by many of the devotees from the Mahabarata.
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<big>namaH paGkaja nAbhAya!
namaH paGkaja mAline!
<big>namaH paGkaja netrAya!<big>
namaste paGkajAGghraye!
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Srimad Bhagavatam 1.8.22
<big>namaH kamala nAbhAya!<big>namaH kamala mAline!http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_pictures/india/tn_lotus_gif.jpg<big>namaH kamala pAdAya!
<big>namaste kamalekSaNa!
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Sromad Bhagavatam 4.30.25
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<center><big>The Name of God</big>
<font color="red">My only wealth
is the Name of Hari [God]:
Your Name is my field,
your Name is my orchard,
the object of my Love,
my only refuge.</font>
Your Name is my fortune,
your Name is my capitol --
Beside Your Name
I know nothing.
<font color="blue">Your Name is my kith and kin,
your Name is my Brother --
On the last day, your Name will be
my sole Companion.</font>
<font color="red">I cling to your Name.</font>
Invoking Ram
my body was consumed --
In the Name of Ram,
my spirit has merged.</font>
-- Guru Kabir, "A Weaver Named Kabir - Selected Verses," Charlotte Vaudeville,
Oxford University Press, ISBN 019-563078-5.
This book is a sequel to her earlier 1974 work titled,
"Kabir," Volume I, also published by Oxford.
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Smaranam is one of the nine aspects of bhakti.
More beautiful thoughts on " Smarana" - Remembrance from another board:
Taken from the "The Divine Duality of Radha and Krishna", written by Barbara Stoler Miller:
"The importance of memory in the thought process is universally recognized in Western and Indian epistemology.
What I am stressing here is the aesthetics of 'memory', linked to love, as a mode of knowing within aesthetic and religious experience.
It is significant that memory (smarana) is a major epithet of the god of love (smara).
The association between love and memory is known as early as the ATHARVA veda, whose hymns include a love-charm in which the female speaker asks the gods to send 'memory' to make a certain man burn for her.
Smara and kama, in fact, seemto be the only pre-epic names of love.
In Sanskrit poetry an act of remembering is a conventional technique for relating the modes of frustrated and fulfilled love (vipralambha and sambhoga srngara).
Memory is recognized throughout Vaishnava literature as a way of KNOWING Krishna.
In the Bhagavatha Purana (10.32.20), when the cowherdesses accuse Him of cruelty for deserting them, Krishna answers:
<font color="blue">"I, the embodiment of mercy- how can I be cruel, and especially to my devotees?
No, never.
My disappearance is only a veil that I draw in order to nourish yearning and love for Me by the fire of separation.
As a poor man hitting by a chance on a treasure and again losing it, is constantly brooding over it,
so I wish my devotees should not for a moment forget Me."</font>
It is by sharing the mutual memories that Radha and Krishna have of Their original secret meeting that the audience of 'Gita Govind' learns to appreciate and understand the unique relationship of the RADHA-MADHAVA pair.`
Aesthetic memory breaks through the logic of every day experience- it obliterates distances, reverses chronologies, fuses what is ordinarily separate.
What makes Jayadeva's vision so powerful is that Krishna participates in the world of memory as subject as well as object.
Krishna remembers Radha in the same kind of sensual detail in which She remembers Him.
His memory makes Him vulnerable to Her possessive, overwhelming power as She is to His-
as He again declares His love for Her.
He gives no rationalization for the cruelty of His desertion because He too suffered in the fire of separation.
Devotion meant submission to Bhagavan in a loving relationship that was most powerful in the anguish of separation, shared by all devotees.
The orthodox cult was basically antithetical to Jayadeva's notion of Krishna's exclusive, erotic relationship with a single consort as the supreme expression of His love and as the MODEL FOR the relation between KRISHNA and HIS DEVOTEE."
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Smaranam is one of the nine aspects of bhakti.
Here is a copied message from another board regading 'Smarana'-
The MIND alone is the center of devotion- "AnukUlyena kRSNAnu zIlanaM bhaktiruttamA"
SMARANA practiced by MIND is the LIFE of Devotional Service. 'manera smaraNa prANa'
Mahaprabhu Himself mentioned about SMARANA in the second verse of Sri SIKSHASHTAKA -
nAmnAmakAri bahudhA nija sarva sakti
statrArpita niyamitaH "smaraNe" na kAlaH
yetAdRzI tava kRpA bhagavan mamApi
durdaivamI dRzam ihAjani nAnurAgaH
Mahaprabhu wanted us not only to do chanting,
but also REMEMBRANCE and there are no limitations
of time and place for the REMEMBRANCE!
Just as Lord Krishna said in Gita-
anta kale ca mAm eva
smaran muktvA kalevaram,
yah prayAti sa madbhAvaM
yAti nAstyatra saMzayaH
yaM yaM vApi smaran bhAvaM
tyajatyante kalevaram
taM tamevaiti kaunteya
sadA tadbhAva bhAvitaH
tasmAt sarveSu kAleSu
mAm anusmara yuddhya ca,
mayyarpita mano buddhir
mAme vai 'Syasy asaMzayaH
(Gita 8.5-7)
<font color="red">"And whoever, at the time of death,
leaving the body, goes forth
REMEMBERING ME ALONE,
he ATTAINS MY BEING.
There is no doubt about this."</font>
<font color="blue">"Whatever being a man REMEMBERS of
at the last moment when leaves his body,
THAT ALONE DOES HE ATTAIN, O Kaunteya,
BEING EVER ABSORBED IN THOUGHT THERE OF."</font>
<font color="red">"THEREFORE, AT ALL TIMES THINK UPON ME ONLY
and PERFORM ALL YOUR ACTIONS (including the fighting).
WITH MIND, INTELLECT AND UNDERSTANDING SET ON ME,
YOU WILL SURELY COME TO ME."</font>
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Your observation is well taken. The similarities between god-brothers and god-sisters are quite natural. No surprise.A remarkable similarity in taste I'd say.
Please do not deviate from the topic discussion - 'The Soul of Radha'. You can start another thread with your kind suggestions.
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Lord Krishna says-'He (She) who is the SAME to
the foe and friend and
also HONOUR and DISHONOUR,
who is the SAME in cold and heat,
in PLEASURE and PAIN,
who is FREE from ATTACHMENT,
To whom CENSURE and PRAISE are EQUAL,
who is silent, CONTENT with ANYTHING,
HOMELESS, STEADY MINDED,
FULL of Loving Devotion for Me -
that PERSON is DEAR TO ME.'
Gita- 12.18,19
Lord Krishna makes His teaching CLEAR to all saying -
"matkarma kRnmatparamo
madbhaktas sanga varjitaH
nirvaira ssarva bhUteSu
yassamAmeti pAndava"
(Gita 11.55)
"He, who DOES WORK FOR ME,
who LOOKS ON ME AS SUPREME,
who is DEVOTED TO ME,
who is FREE FROM ATTACHMENT,
who is WITHOUT HATRED FOR ANY BEING,
he COMES TO ME, O Arjuna."