Bhakta Don Muntean

Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Egyptians, and others all worshipped God in image form Where do you get that from? Those were all polytheistic - even hedonistic. Only in India have we seen demigod worship - along with worship of the Supreme God of Gods. YS, BDM

I'll get it God willing and Bush ah he's ok - I too have been too hard on him...

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I read that the order was reversed by Lord Chaitanya - to give a chance to everyone to benefit from this mantra. As no one but a brahmana could chant it - so the Lord in His Inestimably Mercy adjusted things for everyone. Thus there couldn't be any issue with non-brahmins chanting a vedic mantra. So also we must consider that - if we are chanting continually - then - there is not any start point or end point - it's an unbroken circle of chanting....

Such a poor estimation you have....why?

Good answer... YS,

Yes I liked it too - right down to the prayer beads - I think it's Jim Carey's best film. I liked the part when he could hear all the prayers - from within a few blocks and - he could not tolerate it. I often think about that 'roar' of voices God hears and how only God could have that going on and not be affected by it. Of course there was the usual sex in this film but despite that - it was good - it may even have made people think about 'God the Person' rather than 'God the Entity'. YS, BDM

AMEN TO THAT! THE CRIMINAL TALIBAN:smash: MURTI AND MURTI SENDS SOMEONE TO TALIBAN... I too prayed that nasty things would happen to them after they did that - I saw that act of violence toward the giant Murti of Him that taught non-violence - as an act of violence toward God and all humanity. These taliban losers are cursed by their own crass evil. They shall be hunted and eliminated because that is what must be done. Myself - I would never accept any so-called change of heart of a terrorist with blood [or other's sufferings induced by them] on their hands. Terrorists are nasty radicals who employ any form of terror - as a political weapon - cockroaches who usually infest in concert with other cockroach terrorists - they too often use religion as a cover [and excuse] for terrorist activities and that is where God shall see them - on the run right through to their end. Maharaja Parakit would certainly hunt down these losers and do the job - there is no question of the coalition's need to do this - in the spirit of a proper 'leader' like maharaja Parakit. We must pray that our western leaders take this mission in this light... BDM

Hare Bolo! Yes this movie was presenting a subtle slant that was directed at Moses and the early Hebrew faith - but it also reflected on Christianity and Islam as well - as these faiths derive from the former. Of course much of the law of Moses is also the laws of Manu - so there is no question of the law - there is question to the point of the interpretations and utilization of the law of God as given through various hands. There was one point in the movie when after the death of the first born Moses had a visit from his alleged foster brother - an egyptian. He was shown as being raised with this fellow - in any case - when the guy showed up he had his departed son with him and he says to Moses that his God was a cruel God then he asked if Moses would kill him too if his God asked it of him and the moses guy didn't answer. That episode was all fictional - yet the passion [against all God people] that it engendered in its presentation - is all too real. This movie spent too much time showing the Hebrews - as it wasn't. Why? Yes the media is being used to degrade people and their opinions of God and religion in general. Who is responsible? It is the personality of Kali - he is exploiting individuals wherever possible. Much of it simply appears 'no mindedly' - as a result of the pushing of the modes of passion and ignorance. Those people who don't like to be aware of these modes of nature are easy targets for the personality of kali. They really ticked me off with how they presented Moses - it was unfair. Mr. Bush you mention - well I credit him with having a faith and wanting to improve that faith - I believe that his understanding of The Object of his Faith is broadening and God is reciprocating with him now more than ever. Just a hunch but soon we shall see him embrace a broad public change. I think one thing is also important for us to understand - we may have more hope with conservatives than with liberals - conservatives understand many points like us - such as - on TV - there doesn't need to be so much filth! It's at every other word in most programs - there is TOO MUCH so-called liberal expression and what is the effect on the generation that grows up in this intense filth environment? So conservative leaders are at some point going to be more inclined to clean some of this up - but - we must hope that they take proper guidence from Prabhupada - with regard to time and circumstances - when doing the needfull. With that - two things must be their resolve - actually being motivated by sincere desires to clean things up and - not acting with duplicity in its execution. I pray for our leaders that they shall soon turn onto Srila Prabupada. Srila Prabhupada says that his books shall be the law books of mankind - well it shall have to start somewhere sometime some generation is going to do this - why not here and now. Srila Prabhupada says that we need a perfect dictator! So one day mankind shall leave aside all this toying with the lower modes of nature - in connection to the activities of the personality of kali. Right now quarrel is being poised to shake everyone hard! We are doing it to ourselves! So as Prabhupada says that even if there were someone proper to vote for - it would be near impossible to educate everyone to elect that person - he says that it is easier to educate the leaders - serve the root and the whole plant is saved. Serve the leaves and the plant withers and dies. So we must post Srila Prabhupada and hope that we get their attention and that they are turned onto Prabhupada. I think that that 'taco guy' was a riot - just see - how can we get people sincerely interested in having to save the world from the ruin of degredation and ruin - when there are so many people who wish to embrace ignorance? Without a doubt if we cannot save our leaders - we cannot save the world of lost souls! I hope that one day I get millions of dollars and I'll make great faith based movies that shall induce real understanding and respect - for all faiths and respect for The Object of All Faiths - God. YS, BDM

Do ya treasure the telling of these lies? Do you see the personality of kali's subtle atheistic push which is moving strong - against all faiths? It falls onto each group through different expressions - depending on the faith attacked - but - the goal is the same - to have [non-devoted] peoples think of faith and God as antiquated - even primitive. This IS going on. Even lukewarm followers of faiths help this program progress in leaps and bounds. Do you know how? By not knowing scriptures. All the time in the world to read volumes of trash but - not a moment to read about God - these are the ones that have tendency to hear from others and they don't follow up on what they hear. Look and See - Hear and Listen. This is one invaluable trick to not being conditioned by the communist [and other] propagandists that would just as soon see everyone forget God. Why with your God-given understanding do you have to see yourself [and vaishnavism] as being something so very completely incompatible with other faiths? Have you ever read the bible [since reading Prabhupada] with an eye to seeing deep truths therein? You live within a world of other faiths - we do have to get along with them [right ] and - saying that you do not care if they are defamed - is not very broadminded. Some Jewish and Christian organizations gave Srila Prabhupada a hard time in the early days - for [mostly from a sense of shock and fear for his so-called] taking of their youth - into another seemingly very foreign faith group - but - far more Jews and Christians supported Srila Prabhupada - especially the intelligentsia from these groups. What if when seeing the trouble to which Srila Prabhupada was being subjected to at various times - what if they too they had thought - "I'm not a Vaisnava, so what?" So now here today - what if the devotees in Russia [and in Turkmenistan too] continue to have problems with the government there - do you want the Jews and the Christians [and Muslims] around the world to say of these devotees being defamed and worse - "I'm not a Vaisnava, so what?" - really - do think about it! BDM

Here is something from the producers: This will be the most biblically accurate telling of the story to date. I insisted on accuracy. http://www.rhifilms.com/ten/qa.html Well we can easily see that they failed in that! Then there is this: ...I think if you talk honestly about religion, we should have different opinions as to the story itself and discuss the advantages and the disadvantages of The Ten Commandments. Maybe we should also talk about dogma and fanaticism and a whole bunch of issues that the old movie took for granted and just accepted as a heroic deed....I am trying to create the Bible the best way I can. I have three full Bibles. One goes back to the 1800s and I have read every word in it. Beyond that, I went to a strict Calvinist school for about ten years, where they beat the hell out of me with the Bible. I was able to read it backwards and forwards. It’s the best I can do.... http://www.abcmedianet.com/showpage/showpage.html?program_id=002022&type=crew His best wasn't good enough. What is that crack about dogma and fanaticism and a whole bunch of issues that the old movie took for granted and just accepted as a heroic deed - very telling words?

Hare Krishna! Did anyone watch ABC's new movie last night - The Ten Commandments? It seems that they took a great a deal of liberty to re-write the story [and history] - in the so-called dramatization of the Exodus narration. Two parts were in particular - quite disgusting. The first was the scene where they stoned the man and woman for adultery/murder - it was quite nasty in it's protrayal. It was a part of the movie - not needed - what scene hit the cutters floor to keep these scenes? The other scene was [Chapter 32] where they were killing those who had worshipped the golden calf. This trash ABC movie showed them killing women and children [showing a very graphic slitting of their throats nonetheless!] and that is NOT in the texts. In text 28 of Chapter 32 - it says "men": 1 And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down from the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him: 'Up, make us a god who shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we know not what is become of him.' 2 And Aaron said unto them: 'Break off the golden rings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.' 3 And all the people broke off the golden rings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron. 4 And he received it at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, and made it a molten calf; and they said: 'This is thy god, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.' 5 And when Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said: 'To-morrow shall be a feast to the LORD.' 6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt-offerings, and brought peace-offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to make merry. {P} 7 And the LORD spoke unto Moses: 'Go, get thee down; for thy people, that thou broughtest up out of the land of Egypt, have dealt corruptly; 8 they have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them; they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed unto it, and said: This is thy god, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.' 9 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people. 10 Now therefore let Me alone, that My wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them; and I will make of thee a great nation.' 11 And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said: 'LORD, why doth Thy wrath wax hot against Thy people, that Thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? 12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, saying: For evil did He bring them forth, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from Thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against Thy people. 13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Thy servants, to whom Thou didst swear by Thine own self, and saidst unto them: I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.' 14 And the LORD repented of the evil which He said He would do unto His people. {P} 15 And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, with the two tables of the testimony in his hand; tables that were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written. 16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables. 17 And when Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said unto Moses: 'There is a noise of war in the camp.' 18 And he said: 'It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery, neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome, but the noise of them that sing do I hear.' 19 And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf and the dancing; and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and broke them beneath the mount. 20 And he took the calf which they had made, and burnt it with fire, and ground it to powder, and strewed it upon the water, and made the children of Israel drink of it. 21 And Moses said unto Aaron: 'What did this people unto thee, that thou hast brought a great sin upon them?' 22 And Aaron said: 'Let not the anger of my lord wax hot; thou knowest the people, that they are set on evil. 23 So they said unto me: Make us a god, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we know not what is become of him. 24 And I said unto them: Whosoever hath any gold, let them break it off; so they gave it me; and I cast it into the fire, and there came out this calf.' 25 And when Moses saw that the people were broken loose--for Aaron had let them loose for a derision among their enemies -- 26 then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said: 'Whoso is on the LORD'S side, let him come unto me.' And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. 27 And he said unto them: 'Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel: Put ye every man his sword upon his thigh, and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.' 28 And the sons of Levi did according to the word of Moses; and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men. 29 And Moses said: 'Consecrate yourselves to-day to the LORD, for every man hath been against his son and against his brother; that He may also bestow upon you a blessing this day.' 30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people: 'Ye have sinned a great sin; and now I will go up unto the LORD, peradventure I shall make atonement for your sin.' 31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said: 'Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them a god of gold. 32 Yet now, if Thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray Thee, out of Thy book which Thou hast written.' 33 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Whosoever hath sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book. 34 And now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee; behold, Mine angel shall go before thee; nevertheless in the day when I visit, I will visit their sin upon them.' 35 And the LORD smote the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made. {S} So what important point - do we have here: “…And Moses said unto Aaron: 'What did this people unto thee, that thou hast brought a great sin upon them?' 22 And Aaron said: 'Let not the anger of my lord wax hot; thou knowest the people, that they are set on evil… And when Moses saw that the people were broken loose--for Aaron had let them loose for a derision among their enemies…” So clearly Aaron didn’t want to do it – he certainly didn’t start it! Instead he went along with them because he knew the result must come – and that was a falling away of those who had no faith in God – after all the wonders that brought them out of Egypt – what to speak - he obviously feared for his life if he didn’t do as they asked. So we clearly see that it is said: “Aaron had let them loose for a derision among their enemies”. In chapter 32 of Exodus it is clearly said in text 28: "...there fell of the people that day about three thousand men." It says MEN - so where did they get women and children from? It is so very sad that people will do that. I think that the producers of this film - even if they are not anti-semitic - they have in fact with this movie - advanced an presentation of the Exodus narration which is anti-semitic. How many people saw that killing and went :burn:because they thought that is what the texts read - when in fact - there is no mention of killing women and children in the golden calf chapter. I hope that people looked it up in their Bibles and noted the serious indiscretion of this movie. I hope that this trash ABC movie has been lost somewhere - now that it has been aired [and having seeded some prejudice and maybe even hate in some people] - ABC aught to have known better. We should complain to ABC... YS, Bhakta Don Muntean

But He is indeed a jealous God - all through the vedas we see that!

I HOPE THEY FRY THIS LOSER! Just see where lust goes - just see! BTW this guy was not a devotee as a real devotee would not even care about the issues that led to this. This is why I [for the most part] shun people - including devotees one never knows if they might end up being I pray for the people here and I hope that 'dasa' enjoys prision...and later - hell. BDM This aught to be a good lesson for lusty people who flirt with other's spouces - it is a common issue and it is not limited to devotees [for all you others reading this] - keep your hands in your bead bag [and off of others].

I think you have a few loose yourself. You're an anti-semite - that became clear with your stupid posting here. So just to note - wicca and witchcraft are not "jewish blackmagic" - There are two postings here on this that are very good - the one that compares these to Tantra - the other is by the devotee that explained visualization 'magic' - those postings pretty much cover the facts. Please don't be in that maya anymore... You say that you're "anti-orthodox judeism" - well that is just - what if there were those that were anti-orthodox vaishnavism? Please open your heart and read the books in a proper frame of mind I'm for you! BDM

Why doesn't someone point this out to the Russian officials who are blocking the devotees in moscow. Just see their own church has that same problem in this Turkmenistan - a product of the old [?] U.S.S.R. communist poison. Might be time for a 'change' in Turkmenistan? Does the 'free world' care that such regimes as is in this 'turkeystan' are in fact a contagious tumor that needs treatment before the 'puss bag' splits open onto the rest of the region/planet? Time for Canada America India Israel the EU and - Russia [and a few others not named here for time and space] to understand that they are all needed to deal the blow to such demoniac regimes [and supporters of these] I won't name them. Russia has yet to make the full step over to freedoms - it's happening - but their leaders still are lacking - time for that to change - also it's time for their competition with the west to stop - time to join with the west - for real. If there were real freedoms in Russia - there wouldn't be so much blackmarket and - the resultant mob-like atmosphere. There are other issues with Russia and involvement in the Mid-east as well. Issues that could make the free world concerned if the status quo remains in Russia - as it is... So I pray that the leaders in Canada America India Israel the EU and - Russia [and a few others not named here for time and space] - can really soon create a full coalition - one that shall 'do the job' - before it's too late. No I'm not being an alarmist.... BDM

good grief [and YOU know what I mean]

Just to note that petition signer # 46.LAKSHMANA RAVULA - left spam there for comments - just see!

Done.

OH GOD YOU CAUGHT ME! YES WE ARE TO EXPORT ICE MURTIS 'EVERYWHERE' - EVERYONE SHALL LOVE GOD EVERYONE - 'EH'... :rolleyes: <------------ the Canada consortuim to save the world with ice murtis

There is no excuse for eating meat after all these years - if you haven't given that up yet - you're never going to... Yes there might be a holier-than-thou attitude among some devotees - but where it comes to you and this diet issue - I doub't it's 'that'... Do you even want to stop eating meat? Or is it something you don't feel you have to do? BDM

Well you have a good eye for the clever!

Hari Bolo! You could do like I did sixteen years ago - make some [blue] murtis of your own - these are hand painted and made of plastic - not very difficult to do - then you may love them more and may be more inclined to serve them: http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6362/ouraltar29uw.jpg