gHari

Exactly true. But you posted the supposed real original lyrics of Lennon's song and put xmas where he said Christmas in a post criticizing the changing of lyrics.

No, he just copy and pasted from the webpage he gave us. Some other heathen satan monster scumbag zit-devil dirtbag paramecium wrote 'Xmas'.

Anything that has touched the lotus lips of Sri Krsna becomes holy. Offer the water to Him with love and devotion.

Lord Krsna says in Bhagavad-gita 9.26:<BLOCKQUOTE><CENTER><FONT COLOR=RED>

patraM puSpaM phalaM toyaM

yo me bhaktyA prayacchati

tad ahaM bhakty-upahRtam

aznAmi prayatAtmanaH

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patram--a leaf; puSpam--a flower; phalam--a fruit; toyam--water; yaH--whoever; me--unto Me; bhaktyA--with devotion; prayacchati--offers; tat--that; aham--I; bhakti-upahRtam--offered in devotion; aznAmi--accept; prayata-AtmanaH--from one in pure consciousness.

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If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.</BLOCKQUOTE></B>

From the Nectar of Devotion (Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu):

For those with a scholarly bent, here are the related teachings of the great 16th century scholar, Caitanya Mahaprabhu which perfectly concur with God's very words in the Bhagavad-gita:

Revelation 13:18

This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

King James Version (KJV)

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

Here is the wisdom! He who is having the understanding, let him count the number of the beast, for the number of a man it is, and its number [is] 666.

Can someone tell me what is going to happen?

if one reads through the basic shastras he can easily find that there are two different bhavs expressed in it.some scriptures are predominantly bhakti scriptures like the puranas.whereas some like the upanishads(with a few exceptions) are mainly advaitic.both are invaluable to the respective school.theres no need to forcefully drag a bhakti text into the field of advaita or vice versa.

Dvaita and Advaita are shown in the following diagram:

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From one vantage the Truth appears to be advaita. Yet from another vantage the Truth appears to be Dvaita. However, it is neither one nor the other. It is both simultaneously, as pictured (a cone).

[..] his wholeness(Purnata) remains unaffected inspite of the fact that, numerous completely whole entities are emering out of him.

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Clearly this speaks of two: the Supreme Entity (the Source) and many entities emerging from that One Supreme. Seems straightforward to me.

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Does someone believe that Lord Jagannatha in Toronto Canada is not the Lord of the Universe?

If we can see that Jagannarha is Jagannatha, then it is His decision and His decision alone to stroll down Yonge Street Toronto with His devotees. No one can stand in the way of that juggernaut.

Jaya Jagannatha.

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Giving it a little more thought I concluded:

First they murder sheep. Now they murder Prabhupada. Jagannatha has clearly divorced Himself from them.

When we try to steal God's glory for ourselves, these things happen, and we are held up for the world to laugh at. Their false-egos have made fools of them all before the world.

No one can own God. Only humility and Jagannatha can save them now from the darkest of hells.

The Gita is continually being spoken every 125 years, in one universe or another. It is always fresh and always relevant everywhere.

Who's that bloody rat who deleted my post ? I think its gettin personale here

Once was enough. There is a time and place. This is neither.

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura in Sri Krsna Samhita:

Mr. Jayapataka must be really an important 'Hare Krishna' ,is he considered as Krishna 2nd coming ????????

 

& moderators please consider this a honest query, thank you.

No. He is simply a very sincere servant of Krsna's servant.

The AvatAras

Lord Caitanya continued to explain to SanAtana GosvAmI that the expansions of Lord KRSNa who come to the material creation are called avatAras, or incarnations. The word avatAra means "One who descends," and in this case the word specifically refers to one who descends from the spiritual sky. In the spiritual sky there are innumerable VaikuNTha planets, and from these planets the expansions of the Supreme Personality of Godhead come into this universe.

The first descent of the Supreme Personality of Godhead from the expansion of SaGkarSaNa is the puruSa incarnation, MahA-ViSNu. It is confirmed in SrImad-BhAgavatam (1.3.1) that when the Supreme Personality of Godhead descends as the first puruSa incarnation of the material creation, He immediately manifests sixteen elementary energies. Known as the MahA-ViSNu, He lies within the Causal Ocean, and it is He who is the original incarnation in the material world. He is the Lord of time, nature, cause and effect, mind, ego, the five elements, the three modes of nature, the senses and the universal form. Although He is master of all objects movable and immovable in the material world, He is totally independent.

The influence of material nature cannot reach beyond the VirajA, or Causal Ocean, as confirmed in SrImad-BhAgavatam (2.9.10). The modes of material nature (goodness, passion and ignorance), as well as material time, have no influence on the VaikuNTha planets. On those planets the liberated associates of KRSNa live eternally, and they are worshiped both by the demigods and the demons.

Material nature acts in two capacities as mAyA and pradhAna. MAyA is the direct cause, and pradhAna refers to the elements of the material manifestation. When the first puruSa-avatAra, MahA-ViSNu, glances over the material nature, material nature becomes agitated, and the puruSa-avatAra thus impregnates matter with living entities. Simply by the glance of the MahA-ViSNu, consciousness is created, and this consciousness is known as mahat-tattva, The predominating Deity of the mahat-tattva is VAsudeva. This created consciousness is then divided into three departmental activities according to the three guNas, or modes of material nature. Consciousness in the mode of goodness is described in the Eleventh Canto of SrImad-BhAgavatam. The predominating Deity of the mode of goodness is called Aniruddha. Consciousness in the mode of material passion produces intelligence, and the predominating Deity in this case is Pradyumna. He is the master of the senses. Consciousness in the mode of ignorance causes the production of ether, the sky and the sense of hearing. The cosmic manifestation is a combination of all these modes, and in this way innumerable universes are created. No one can count the number of universes.

These innumerable universes are produced from the pores of the MahA-ViSNu's body. As innumerable particles of dust pass through the tiny holes in a screen, similarly from the pores of the MahA-ViSNu's body innumerable universes emanate. As He breathes out, innumerable universes are produced, and as He inhales, they are annihilated. All of the energies of the MahA-ViSNu are spiritual, and they have nothing to do with the material energy. In Brahma-saMhitA (5.48) it is stated that the predominating deity of each universe, BrahmA, lives only during one breath of the MahA-ViSNu. Thus MahA-ViSNu is the original Supersoul of all the universes and the master of all universes as well.

The second ViSNu incarnation, the GarbhodakazAyI ViSNu, enters each and every universe, spreads water from His body, and lies down on that water. From His navel, the stem of a lotus flower grows, and on that lotus flower the first creature, BrahmA, is born. Within the stem of that lotus flower are fourteen divisions of planetary systems, which are created by BrahmA. Within each universe the Lord is present as the GarbhodakazAyI ViSNu, and He maintains each universe and tends to its needs. Although He is within each material universe, the influence of material energy cannot touch Him. When it is required, this very same ViSNu takes the form of Lord Siva and annihilates the cosmic creation. The three secondary incarnations--BrahmA, ViSNu and Siva--are the predominating deities of the three modes of material nature. The master of the universe, however, is the GarbhodakazAyI ViSNu, who is worshiped as the HiraNyagarbha Supersoul. The Vedic hymns describe Him as having thousands of heads. Although He is within the material nature, He is not touched by it.

The third incarnation of ViSNu, KSIrodakazAyI ViSNu, is also an incarnation of the mode of goodness. He is also the Supersoul of all living entities, and He resides on the ocean of milk within the universe. Thus Caitanya MahAprabhu described the puruSa-avatAras.

Lord Caitanya next described the lIlA-avatAras, or "pastime" avatAras, and of these the Lord points out that there is no limit. However, He describes some of them--for example, Matsya, KUrma, RaghunAtha, NRsiMha, VAmana and VarAha.

As far as the guNa-avatAras, or qualitative incarnations of ViSNu, are concerned, they are three--BrahmA, ViSNu and Siva. BrahmA is one of the living entities, but due to his devotional service he is very powerful. This primal living entity, master of the mode of material passion, is directly empowered by the GarbhodakazAyI ViSNu to create innumerable living entities. In Brahma-saMhitA (5.49) BrahmA is likened to valuable jewels influenced by the rays of the sun, and the sun is likened to the Supreme Lord GarbhodakazAyI ViSNu. If in some kalpa there is no suitable living entity capable of acting in BrahmA's capacity, GarbhodakazAyI ViSNu Himself manifests as BrahmA and acts accordingly.

Similarly, by expanding Himself as Lord Siva, the Supreme Lord is engaged when there is a need to annihilate the universe. Lord Siva, in association with mAyA, has many forms, which are generally numbered at eleven. Lord Siva is not one of the living entities; he is, more or less, KRSNa Himself. The example of milk and yogurt is often given in this regard--yogurt is a preparation of milk, but still yogurt cannot be used as milk. Similarly, Lord Siva is an expansion of KRSNa, but he cannot act as KRSNa, nor can we derive the spiritual restoration from Lord Siva that we derive from KRSNa. The essential difference is that Lord Siva has a connection with material nature, but ViSNu or Lord KRSNa has nothing to do with material nature. In SrImad-BhAgavatam (10.88.3) it is stated that Lord Siva is a combination of three kinds of transformed consciousness known as vaikArika, taijasa and tAmasa.

The ViSNu incarnation, although master of the modes of goodness within each universe, is in no way in touch with the influence of material nature. Although ViSNu is equal to KRSNa, KRSNa is the original source. ViSNu is a part, but KRSNa is the whole. This is the version given by Vedic literatures. In Brahma-saMhitA the example is given of an original candle which lights a second candle. Although both candles are of equal power, one is accepted as the original, and the other is said to be kindled from the original. The ViSNu expansion is like the second candle. He is as powerful as KRSNa, but the original ViSNu is KRSNa. BrahmA and Lord Siva are obedient servants of the Supreme Lord, and the Supreme Lord as ViSNu is an expansion of KRSNa.

<a href=http://vedabase.net/bg/15/15/en target=mew>Bhagavad-gita 15.15:</a>

<font color=blue> <B><center>sarvasya cAhaM hRdi sanniviSTo

mattaH smRtir jJAnam apohanaM ca

vedaiz ca sarvair aham eva vedyo

vedAnta-kRd veda-vid eva cAham

"I am seated in everyone's heart,

and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness.

By all the Vedas, I am to be known.

Indeed, I am the compiler of VedAnta,

and I am the knower of the Vedas".</center>

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<a href=http://vedabase.net/bg/12/1/en target=new>Our heroes discuss in the beginning of the Bhagavad-gita Chapter 12:<a>

<center>arjuna uvAca

evaM satata-yuktA ye

bhaktAs tvAM paryupAsate

ye cApy akSaram avyaktaM

teSAM ke yoga-vittamAH

zrI-bhagavAn uvAca:

mayy Avezya mano ye mAM

nitya-yuktA upAsate

zraddhayA parayopetAs

te me yuktatamA matAH

ye tv akSaram anirdezyam

avyaktaM paryupAsate

sarvatra-gam acintyaM ca

kUTa-stham acalaM dhruvam

sanniyamyendriya-grAmaM

sarvatra sama-buddhayaH

te prApnuvanti mAm eva

sarva-bhUta-hite ratAH

klezo 'dhikataras teSAm

avyaktAsakta-cetasAm

avyaktA hi gatir duHkhaM

dehavadbhir avApyate

ye tu sarvANi karmANi

mayi sannyasya mat-parAH

ananyenaiva yogena

mAM dhyAyanta upAsate

teSAm ahaM samuddhartA

mRtyu-saMsAra-sAgarAt

bhavAmi na cirAt pArtha

mayy Avezita-cetasAm

mayy eva mana Adhatsva

mayi buddhiM nivezaya

nivasiSyasi mayy eva

ata UrdhvaM na saMzayaH

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And Bhrama did not write Vedas.

True indeed. Actually no one wrote the Vedas; they eternally emanate from the breathing of Lord Narayana. But .... would we not relish a book written by our very own Lord Brahma? Of course a cautious man might ask "How do I know he wrote it"? Indeed - how do we know anything? My way of knowing is yoga - and I accept the Sri Brahma-Samhita as it was partially recovered in the middle ages and preserved to this day. It remains amongst my favorite literatures and over thirty years I have never found anything in it that did not ring of the Supreme simple secret that fills all the Vedic revelation.

I would only recommend that one remain humble and hope to avoid limiting offences on this complex path to the unknowable truth. Offences and attachment will keep us distant from the Ultimate Reality.

With that said, so easy to say, let me offer the logical mind an unravelling of poetry:

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If God were here

We would be most humble

In His glorious presence,

Dwarfed by His magnificence.

When we are not that humble,

Then surely He cannot be here;

Or at least

We are not aware of His presence -

Since we are too busy

Being rulers of all that we survey.

Humble is our true state;

All other levels of pride

Are mere concoctions.

Quite suffice it is just to BE

An eternal servant of Sri Krsna.

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Yes, Lord Brahma can be seen as our father - certainly our ancestor, materially.

I think Lord Krishna has used the word 'also' meaning: just as someone goes to them if they worship them, those who worship Me come to Me.

Not guilty

For getting in your way

While you're trying to steal the day

Not guilty

And I'm not here for the rest

I'm not trying to steal your vest.

I am not trying to be smart

I only want what I can get

I'm really sorry for your ageing head

But like you heard me said

Not guilty.

Not guilty

For being on your street

Getting underneath your feet

Not guilty

No use handing me a writ

While I'm trying to do my bit.

I don't expect to take your heart . . .

I only want what I can get

I'm really sorry that you're underfed . . .

But like you heard me said . . .

Not guilty.

Not guilty

For looking like a freak

Making friends with every Sikh

Not guilty

For leading you astray

On the road to Mandalay.

I won't upset the apple cart

I only want what I can get

I'm really sorry that you've been misled . . .

But like you heard me said . . .

Not guilty.

I read a comment on the net by one who apparently knew, that the 'quote' was fabricated. I seem to recall that he informed us that it was fabricated by Hansdutta.

If you look at these fractal pictures, you may feel as I did - that all we see could be as simple as these iterative equations: http://www.alicia-logic.com/fractals/

Xn+1 ==> (Xn * Xn) + c ------- could it all be so simple, yet producing innumerable unique possibilities.

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The Vedas, most specifically in the following direct quote from the cream of the Vedas glorify the Supreme as the source of all incarnations and partial manifestations of Bhagavan:

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Are we to argue against the Srimad-Bhagavatam or will we accept its clear conclusion and expand our understanding of His glorious position?

We'll spend $9,000,000,000 to race protons 17 miles into one another, but we won't sit down and meditate for free. Now there's a definition of the world's disease. We want the truth, but reserve our right to be evil.