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  1. Originally posted by shvu:

    If the Muktika was a well recognized ancient Upanishad, it would have been recognized by all the Vedaantic schools. However the tattvavaada school does not know the Muktika, which makes it's authenticity dubious. I don't recall Shankara mentioning it either.

     

    Cheers

     

     

    Shvu, if a scripture contradicts the vedanta, then it can be said to be an interpolation. But just because an acharya does not comment on an upanishad does not bring into question its authenticity. If that logic were to be applied, then all the unavailable Vedas can be called dubious.

     


  2. Originally posted by paul108:

    Are we talking about a piece of material cloth or a portion of Srimati Radharani's clothing? Why can't Her clothing serve two purposes, even if it does not obey the laws of material nature? Who can say that Her cloth cannot cover Her body as much as She requires even while she is lifting a portion of it? Can a spiritual tree not produce apples, pears, oranges, and mangos at the same time? Why then must Radharani's clothing expose Her form when She lifts it to shade Her devotee? If we remember that Krishna supplied an unlimited length of cloth for Draupadi, why is it difficult to imagine Radharani lifting her clothing without even exposing Her toes?

     

     

    Haribol. Nice to see your sweet thought. Why should I care to disagree with some one who can hold such a nice thought ?

     


  3. Originally posted by raga:

    <center>At any rate, Srimati has now complied with

    your wishes to help you avoid misunderstandings.

     

    She changed the red upper garment to a blue one.

     

    <a href="http://www.raganuga.com" target="_blank">

     

    Posted Image

     

     

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    Hari Hari Bol!!! Thanks for helping me do a personal service to Srimati Radharani.

     

    By the way, one lasting shot on this issue : There are double sided dresses which have zari on both sides. But you may be right. These poor vrajavasis may not be able to afford that.

     

     


  4. Originally posted by stonehearted:

    This is indeed a famous story among Gaudiya vaishnavas; I heard it 30 years ago, as a member of ISKCON. And if you look carefully at the picture, it's clear she's holding a separate piece of cloth over Das Gosvami's head.

     

    I'm as concerned as raga that ram would see something unseemly in this picture. Soem folks are so locked in self-righteous sectarianism that everyone who's not part of their party is suspect. And I'm even more concerned by ram's reluctance to accept raga's explanation.

     

    However innocently these threads begin, they too quickly degenerate into name-calling and insults. This is low-class behavior in any company; in the company of vaishnavas (and anyone whose faith is so tender that he or she can't see anyone not part of their own group as a vaishnava would better spend their time trying to improve their chanting rather than fiddling around on these forums)it risks sadhu-ninda, and there are probably reasons why this is the first offense against the holy name.

     

    [This message has been edited by stonehearted (edited 06-03-2002).]

    Stonehearted, I have respect for Raga and would not insult anyone unnecessarily. For records, Raga and I are running a 108 post thread without silly mudslinging even though we disagree on issues. You may see for yourself, "niyamas of bhakti yoga". If Raga were to say that she is lifting the saree and try to defend it, I will react differently. But like a gentleman he says that it does not seem like that to him and I see no reason why I should fight. But I am pointing out what in my opinion is wrong in the picture. No one says it is a veil including Raga himself and this picture is therefore wrong as per gaudiya vaishnava literature. It has to be redone. I beg that you see that point atleast. I am not an artist and am not asking for a job - Posted Image

     

    After Raga gave his explanation, I again looked at the picture. But I could not see it his way. I had others look at it and got multiple answers like this group - but no one said it is a veil. Karthik sees it as lifting of bottoms much like I do. I am sure there will be 100 other people who would do that. This gives a chance to talk ill of GVV and sanatana dharma at large.


  5. Raga, as if I declined to accept Srimad Bhagavatham as an authority. Any theology that claims to be based on the Vedas should

     

    1. be based on available smrti

    2. be consistent with Vedanta Sutras which are available in full

    3. not contradict the available shruti

     

    I see nothing that Jiva Gosvami said contradicting these three points. Do you ?

     

     

     

    [This message has been edited by ram (edited 06-02-2002).]


  6. Originally posted by raga:

    On account of your mundane vision you imagine the picture to represent something it does not.

     

    The picture depicts Raghunatha Das Gosvami who is absorbed in samadhi in the mid-day heat, under the scorching rays of the sun, unaware of bodily pains and pleasures. Out of compassion for Her beloved devotee, Sri Radha manifests on the earthly plane and protects Das Gosvami from the heat of the sun. The picture is a perfect illustration of the words of Sri Gita (9.22):

     

    First, let us see if there is there any gaudiya vaishnava literature which allows this depiction.

     

     


  7. Originally posted by shiva:

    The reality of life is that God is in control.

    This is truth.

    anything else that is contrary to that, is

    ignorance.

     

    You believe whatever God sees fit for you.

     

    The Vedas,Gaudiya sastra,Gopi pictures,etc..

     

    all is under the same control....this is samadhi vision..

     

    Only God is controlling,all else is controlled.

     

    Wherever you go,there you are.

    When Krishna and His eternal consorts are offended in the name of devotion, one has to point out it is not in line with sastras. There is no denying the fact every thing is under the Supreme Control - that includes my legitimate criticism also.

     


  8. Vedas are apoureshya and anaadi. For this reason they are accepted as an authority. But in modern times, the authority of Vedas is going down - this place being taken by modern science, politics, non-vedic religions etc. This is perhaps because of the rigour involved in the practice of true vedic life. Even among faiths that claim to have a basis in the Vedas there is a decline in faith in the Vedas. Very few of the vaishnava sampradayas give importance to the Vedas themselves. Of all Gaudiya Vaishnavism is very explicit in the rejection of Vedas as the highest pramana. In the different schools of gaudiya vaishnavism, the works of gosvamis and later day saints are given more importance than shruti itself. On one of the websites promoting a form of gaudiya vaishnavism I saw a picture which will be considered offensive by any traditional person familiar with agama sastras. It is a picture of a gopi lifting her frock and there is a sadhaka sitting under her loins. There are very ugly forms of gaudiya vaishnavism.

     

    When questions are raised about gaudiya vaishnavism, then they quote as authority the writings of gosvamis and writings of later day saints combined with modern interpretation . They dont even feel obliged to establish it all based on sastras. This leads one to believe that it is a form of cheating religion exploiting the saintly nature of Caitanya. Any counters ?

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