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I'll try again. Does anybody have a good source for the history of the GBC.

In late 1977, just after Srila Prabhupada's (untimely departure?), the Governing Body Commission of ISKCON declared that eleven GBC had been "appointed by Srila Prabhupada as his guru successors." However, many of us (the rank and file members of ISKCON) doubted this "guru appointment" from the outset, since Srila Prabhupada had said that "guru by appointment" was a bogus misconception found in the 1930s Gaudiya Matha. He also said that guru cannot be made by "rubber stamping" a defective person.

One of the original 1977 "contentious questions" was, for example: "Where is the specific evidence that eleven GBCs have been appointed as gurus"? We were told, quite vociferously and militantly at that time, that the eleven gurus had been appointed on May 28th, 1977. However, to date no one from the GBC has ever even shown where any gurus had ever been "appointed," nor has the GBC answered this question with a solid document of proof in more than twenty years.

Instead, many GBCs and even some of the eleven so-called "appointed gurus" have subsequently admitted that the "May 28th appointment of eleven gurus" announcement in November 1977, was and is a fraud and a hoax. The GBC has thus never shown how "the eleven" were meant to to become recognized as gurus in the first place? In short, the original "appointment of gurus" formula was simply a "big lie." Tamal Krishna, the master mind of that bogus guru system, admitted in the Topanga Canyon conversations that Srila Prabhupada never appointed any gurus, only ritviks. And worse, many other subsequent GBC lies have been discovered.....

I don't know why the tiger didn't just kill me and eat me.

 

 

Could be that this "tiger" was de facto the West Bengal GBC Society? Who're hopefully vegetarians..

Bhaktisiddhanta didn't approve of men keeping of the 'Long Hairs', sign of Kali Yuga.

 

...why would the Karuna sagar, the ocean of mercy, take our offence if it were an offence?

 

A Hindi poet has said:

duḥkha se saba hari bhaje

sukha se bhaje koī

sukha se agar hari bhaje

duḥkha kāthāń se haya

When one is distressed he goes to the church or temple to worship the Lord, but when opulent he forgets the Lord. Therefore, punishment by the Lord through material nature is necessary in human society, for without it men forget the supremacy of the Lord due to their dull, blunt intelligence.

(Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 9.10.14, purport)

Looks like the GBC wants to sell a farm while the devotees on that farm dont want to leave. Now these devotees say, the Deities were stolen and the GBC is responsible: "they want to break our determination to keep this farm/temple".

Fotografías de los conspiradores

http://golokavrindavan.com/conspiradores.htm

Probably the governments really took action....

Prabhupada: "It may be that government may take action against me because I’m speaking something revolutionary. But still, we have to refrain from such unnecessary hard labor. But that is the fact. Why you should work? God has made provision for the birds, beasts, animals, ants, and if I’m devotee of God, He’ll not give me food? What I’ve done wrong? So don’t be agitated in that point. You will have all your necessities of life, but you remain fixed up in your determination in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Don’t be agitated by this nonsense belief.

But the leaders are making plan, that if they are satisfied with their farming work, little grains and milk, then who will work in the factory? Therefore they are taxing so that you cannot live even simple life—this is the position—even if you desire. The modern leaders will not allow you. They force you to work like dogs and hogs and asses. This is the position.

Thank you very much." (end)

Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 5.5.1-8

by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

Stockholm, September 8, 1973

full lecture: http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/730908SB.STO.htm?i=1973

Jesus was a Nazarene and the Nazarenes always kept short hair.

Could be the same with Lord Caitanya - did He keep short hair?

 

Somehow people are so simple minded to worship Him with long hair - not so guruvani, he's doing everything right.

 

http://www.expanding-earth.org/

 

I designed the playground at the central city park in downtown Alachua.

 

 

Burke Rochford : "Based on three decades of in-depth research and participant observation, my book Hare Krishna Transformed explores dramatic changes in this new religious movement over the course of two generations from its founding." [New York University Press]

sriman guruvani prabhu:

High Springs is much nicer than Alachua.

"The Hare Krishnas have given up their radical beginnings in return for a place in America's pluralistic religious landscape".

Burke Rochford's new book, "HARE KRSNA Transformed"

E. Burke Rochford - New York University Press, 2007. - 288 P.

http://indologica.blogg.de/eintrag.php?id=1155

Most widely known for its adherents chanting "Hare Krishna" and distributing religious literature on the streets of American cities, the Hare Krishna movement was founded in New York City in 1965 by A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Formally known as the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, or ISKCON, it is based on the Hindu Vedic scriptures and is a Western outgrowth of a popular yoga tradition which began in the 16th century.

In its first generation ISKCON actively deterred marriage and the nuclear family, denigrated women, and viewed the raising of children as a distraction from devotees' spiritual responsibilities. Yet since the death of its founder in 1977, there has been a growing women's rights movement and also a highly publicized child abuse scandal. Most strikingly, this movement has transformed into one that now embraces the nuclear family and is more accepting of both women and children, steps taken out of necessity to sustain itself as a religious movement into the next generation. At the same time, it is now struggling to contend with the consequences of its recent outreach into the India-born American Hindu community.

Based on three decades of in-depth research and participant observation, Hare Krishna Transformed explores dramatic changes in this new religious movement over the course of two generations from its founding. [New York University Press]

Could there be a change in Australia?

Climate report: record temperatures, not enough rain

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200706/s1940554.htm

As the Federal Government considers an emissions trading scheme to put the brakes on global warming, the latest figures suggest temperatures are still on the rise.

The warmest May on record in the eastern states of the country will be the subject of a special climate statement to be released by the Bureau of Meteorology on Monday.

There was some good rainfall in May, but it was not enough to break the drought.

The bureau's head of climate analysis, Dr David Jones, says Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria and Tasmania have just had their warmest May since records began.

He says temperatures in eastern states were typically two to three degrees above average.

Dr Jones says apart from Queensland, there was a distinct lack of cold days and nights.

"If you look at Victoria, for example, there has been almost no frost despite the fact here we are at the start of winter," he said.

"That's really almost an unheard of phenomena."

He also says there were fewer nights below freezing in Canberra.

"It's certainly very odd," he said.

"We've never got this late in the year without seeing a sub-zero minimum temperature."

He says the warmer temperatures are not restricted to the eastern states.

"The whole of Australia has had a very warm start to the year and at the moment we're running about a degree above average, which would make it the third warmest start to the year on record."

Dr Jones says the most notable feature of the weather has been the lack of strong frontal systems pushing cold weather onto Australia from the Great Southern Ocean.

He says the end of the El Nino system and climate change are to blame.

"A lack of cool weather, a lack of cold days has really been the driver, but if you take a broader perspective, it's pretty clear that the very high temperatures that we've seen are part of a long-term warming trend," he said.

Rainfall

The bureau says more rain is needed to replenish depleted river systems.

"Australia has seen a return to pretty good rainfall in the past few months," said Dr Jones.

"But one thing we haven't seen is a rebound in river conditions ... last year was so dry that the soils had dried right out, the springs had dried right out, so we need much better than average rainfall to get average run-off.

"Many parts of Australia have had a wetter than average Autumn, particularly parts of Victoria, South Australia, parts of western New South Wales, but unfortunately not nearly enough to break the back of this very long and very intense drought."

Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu was on this planet from 1486 - 1534 and Michelangelo from 1475 – 1564. Could be that Lord Caitanya's presence was somehow influencing the religious sentiment of people not only in India but on the whole planet. Fact is that Michelangelo's understanding about God is better than mayavadha understanding which seems to be at the bottom of Hinduism.

Prabhupada: Spirit soul is untouched by all these thing. It requires simply realization. Great devotees like Bharata Mahārāja or Prahlāda Mahārāja, Haridāsa Ṭhākura, because they were very, very much advanced in spiritual consciousness, these ethereal activities on the external body did not touch them. Even in our Western world, Lord Jesus Christ, he was also crucified, but it did not touch him.

full lecture: http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750112SB.BOM.htm?i=1975

posted by guruvani:

The Blessed Lord said: While speaking learned words, you are mourning for what is not worthy of grief. Those who are wise lament neither for the living nor the dead.

This would be of course also sriman guruvani's wise wisdom to rectify the behaviour of Lord Caitanya, who, according guruvani, was also caught up in the very same foolish illusion, "...would not give up the body of Haridas". Genuine know-it-all American Vaishnavism, a real blessing for all humanity.

"All the devotees seeing their beloved Haridas Thakur like this, he had left them. They were weeping, weeping in the agony of separation. But, at the same time seeing the Lord’s love for his devotee they were in ecstasy. They chanted and they danced and they chanted and they danced. And Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu would not give up the body of Haridas. Svarup Damodara Gosvami somehow stopped the Lord from dancing. He said, “My Lord it is time for the last rites. We must perform the funeral ceremony. Let us make the arrangements.”

http://www.vedabase.net

This is what Michelangelo considered as highest love in separation to God's son Lord Jesus:

To be put in the position of Nikodemus who took Jesus' body from the cross and his eyes almost blinded from tears.

He then chiseled this sculpture to be his gravestone....

 

Psychoanalysis has now been existing for more than a century. Its theory has great influence on self-developement, education and conflict resolution. But basically the recognition of subconscious is emotional and has not got to rational level.

Simultaneously - according modern psychology, subconscious is the final motive power of human’s psychology and behavior. It refers to human’s instinct impulse and the depressed desires after birth.

Sigmund Freud saw guilt as basic to the human problem, and those who enabled men to cope with it would become the true priests of the future. Out of this premise, psycho-therapy was born. Sadly, the religions have been very quick to adopt it. However, therapy heresy by-passes the fundamentals of faith in God: the atonement, regeneration, restitution, and more. The counselling heresy is a thriving evil because it undermines theology to be no longer central to peoples live.

Time for Vaishnava scientists to present the real explanation of what is subconscious: the outlet of the sum total karmas of our previous lives.

Since they have no better explanation they have to accept and finally understand why there's this vast differences of human behaviour.

 

"Krishna is the supreme witness sitting within the heart, and He not only notes what one is thinking and doing, but He also gives the living entity facility. If one wants to do something in order to satisfy his senses, Krishna gives all facility. This is stated in Bhagavat-gita. Sarvasya caham hrdi sannivistah: 'I am sitting in everyone's heart. Mattah smrtir jnanam apohanam ca: 'From Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness.'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"In this way Krishna gives us a chance. If we want Krishna, He will give us a chance to have Him, and if we don't want Krishna, He will give us a chance to forget Him. If we want to enjoy life forgetting Krishna, forgetting God, Krishna will give us all facility so that we can forget, but if we want to enjoy life in Krishna consciousness, Krishna will give us the chance to make progress. That is up to us. If we think that we can be happy without Krishna consciousness, Krishna does not object to that. Yathecchasi tatha kuru. After advising Arjuna, He simply said, 'Now I have explained everything to you. Whatever you desire, you can do.' Arjuna replied immediately, karisye vacanam tava: 'Now I shall execute Your order.' That is Krishna consciousness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"God does not interfere with our tiny independence. If we want to act according to the order of God, then He will help us. Even if one falls down sometimes, if one becomes sincere, thinking, 'From this time I shall remain Krishna conscious and execute His orders,' then Krishna will help him. In all respects, even if one falls down, he will be excused and given more intelligence. This intelligence will say, 'Don't do this. Now go on with your duty.' But if one wants to forget Krishna, if he wants to become happy without Krishna, the Lord will give so many chances to enable him to forget Him life after life."

 

 

 

 

 

(Matchless Gift, Chapter 2)

In lecture of 23rd December 1966 Prabhupada says, it was written in his birth chart when exactly he would go to New York and start a global Sankirtan Movement.

Often we hear, Astrology just relates to our karmic situation but never says when the Supreme Lord Sri Krishna will bestow His mercy upon us.

Or did Prabhupada just say it to attract the newcomers - knowing that he has fully transcended his horoscope?

Srila Prabhupada: [...]You will be surprised… Not surprised. This is calculation. In my horoscope it is written there, “At the age of seventy years he will go across the sea.”

It is written there. Yes. And there are so many things still. So this astrologer was so accurate. I have got that horoscope. Not here. If some day I shall, then will show. It is clearly written there that “This time he will go across the sea.” Just see. The circumstances became so that I have come. So astrology is so nice.

So when Kṛṣṇa was born the same principle was followed. Astrologer was called for, and there were good astrologers. And the great astrologer, a famous astrologer who came to see Kṛṣṇa’s birth affair, he was Gargamuni. His name was Gargamuni. Yes. So that Gargamuni, by astrology, said to Kṛṣṇa’s father Nanda Mahārāja, “This boy, this child who is born as your son, He had three colors before.” Āsan varṇās trayo hy asya: “This child had three colors before. I see.” Just see the astrology. From astrology he says that “He had three colors before.” That means God. “He had three colors before.” Gṛhṇato ’nuyugaṁ tanūḥ: “According to the age, according

to the millennium, He had three other colors.” Śuklo raktas tathā pīta idānīṁ kṛṣṇatāṁ gataḥ: “And He had that white color and red color and yellow color. Idānīm, just now, He has assumed this black color.” So this was the astronomical calculation of Kṛṣṇa’s birth.[...]

Full lecture: http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/661223CC.NY.htm?i=1966

What is actually the difference between hatha-yoga and gymnastics?

I just made for Gosh Thakur prabhu a yoga website but couldnt find that info.

I see nothing wong with this. The pujari is not necessarily someone who has renounced everthing. So he may have obligations toward his family and may need money to fulfill his obligations.

“So these things should be stopped, that they should live comfortably with husband and wife, children, and take salary from the temple. So you cannot violate this. Those who can give voluntary service, “Welcome.” Otherwise we don’t require. At least they should not be given any salary. That is very bad. This is against principle.” (Srila Prabhupada, Apr 28, 1977)

Vairāgya, Salaries and Political Etiquette

by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

April 28, 1977, Bombay

Prabhupāda: Niṣkiñcanasya. One who has decided that “This world is

useless. I have to take birth repeatedly and accept different types of

bodies and suffer.” Body means… Those who have understood this

fact and disgusted, so bhakti line is for them. One who has the

tendency to enjoy this material world, and they are taking advantage

of God, “Give me good wife, give me good work, good meal, good

enjoyment,” they are not in the bhakti line. They are in the very

nascent stage.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Nescient stage?

Prabhupāda: Lower stage. Vairāgya-vidyā-nija-bhakti-yogam.

That… There is one verse written by Sarvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya. What

page I don’t… Śikṣārtham. The bhakti-yoga, nija-bhakti-yoga…

Bhakti-yoga means devotion to Kṛṣṇa. And that is vairāgya-vidyā,

how to learn, renounce this world. Otherwise why Caitanya

Mahāprabhu gave up His gṛhastha life? He’s the same person. Why

Rūpa Gosvāmī gave up their ministership? By their personal behavior

they are showing this is not required. This is vairāgya-vidyā. So

under the circumstances, those who have no vairāgya, they cannot

live in the temple. They are taking advantage of the temple facilities

for their sense enjoyment. Do you understand?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, I do.

Prabhupāda: So that should be stopped. So to live with wife,

together as a gṛhastha, and enjoy gṛhastha life, at the same time to

live in temple, this should be discouraged. Temple is meant for

brahmacārī and sannyāsī, our, mainly, not for gṛhastha, because

they have got inclination to enjoy. To live with wife means

enjoyment. They’ll have sex. This should be discouraged. But one

who is absolutely required, they also cannot be allowed to live

together. It is badly done(?). Suppose if one is gṛhastha, he is in

devotional service, but he has no money to look after his wife. In

that case the wife can live in the temple but separately with women,

not together. Together living is very disturbing. It is not at all

recommended. Give this point. At least, this should not be

encouraged.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Generally in our temples, within the temple building

no gṛhasthas live together, but in the temple compound, that is to

say, around the temple, there may be other buildings. There they

live together. But it’s…

Prabhupāda: No, I am speaking, within the temple.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think practically all over the society that has been

stopped, the gṛhastha living together with wife. I don’t think there’s

any case like that. But in the adjoining buildings they might be…

Prabhupāda: Adjoining buildings… But the temple should not

provide them with salary to enjoy their life. That is same thing.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Generally the temples are providing them with

apartments, like that.

Prabhupāda: But that is temple.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah.

Prabhupāda: Just like we have got so many tenants. They are living

in their own. But they have no connection with the temple, neither

the temple is paying them or… No, they are earning their own way.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In other words, if the temple provides an apartment,

it’s the same as paying a salary.

Prabhupāda: Hm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In other words, giving an apartment is the same thing

as providing a salary.

Prabhupāda: All right, apartment can be… But what is this? They are

given high salary. Because his service is essential—“All right, you

take apartment.”

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But not…

Prabhupāda: You take prasādam. But why salary? Where is the

question of salary? Where is vairāgya, renouncement? So in all

circumstances the salary process should be stopped. One who wants

salary, he can work outside.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually, even if you don’t give a salary, if you give an

apartment and you give food and you give all these other things for

someone to maintain his household life…

Prabhupāda: Because his service is essential.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But that has to be determined very strictly.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Whether his service is absolutely required? So

you give him.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That is the factor. That point must be clearly

acknowledged.

Prabhupāda: Hm hm. So he’s trying to practice… Because

sevonmukhe, if he gives service, then gradually he’ll renounce.

Sevonmukhe hi jihvādau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ. God realization

means service. The more you give service to the Lord, the more you

become advanced in devotional… So one who is giving service,

dedicated life, so maybe… But no salary. They may live in the

temple, woman separate, man separate.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They’re… But the actual thing is that they’re being,

living together in an apartment, and the temple is paying for that

apartment. They’re not living separately in the temple. They’re

being…

Prabhupāda: That is to be discouraged. What do you think?

Girirāja: I agree.

Prabhupāda: In Los Angeles it is very freely going on. In the name of

Vaiṣṇavism they are drawing salary, living comfortably, having sense

enjoyment. This is not good, not at all. So you all high officers, you

think over it and do the needful.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Vairāgya should be cultivated.

Prabhupāda: Vairāgya… Caitanya Mahāprabhu says clearly that

niṣkiñcanasya bhagavad-bhajanonmukhasya. The bhagavad-

bhajana, to become devotee of the Lord, means he’s disgusted with

this material world. For him, bhagavad-bhajana. Just like if I become

disgusted with something, I require some change, similarly,

bhagavad-bhajana is for him who is absolutely disgusted with this

material world. And anyone who has got little interest in material

enjoyment, he’s not fit for bhagavad-bhajana. He’ll have to accept

again this material body, either he becomes Brahmā or becomes an

ant in the stool, according to his karma. Karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa

jantur deha-upapattaye [sB 3.31.1]. He’ll have to develop certain

type of body according to his desire of enjoyment. This is nature’s

law. Then where is the question of going back to home, back to

Godhead? Why so many varieties of life? There is Brahmā, and there

is ant in the stool. So vairāgya-vidyā-nija… Vāsudeve bhagavati

bhakti-yogaḥ prayojitaḥ [sB 1.2.7], janayaty āśu vairāgyam. And

vairāgyam means jñānam ca. When one is in full knowledge that “To

remain in this material world is useless for me”—jñānam—“I am

simply wasting my time by repetition of birth and death,” then he

can have vairāgya. “Stop this!” If this sense is not awakened, there is

no bhakti. It is not so easy. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati

na kāṅkṣati [bg. 18.54]. That is vairāgya. So vairāgya-vidyā…

Otherwise why big, big persons, they renounced everything? Bharata

Mahārāja, young man, the emperor of the whole world, gave up

everything. Caitanya Mahāprabhu personally teaches, young man,

good, beautiful wife, young wife, so affectionate mother, so much

honor in the society, Nimāi Paṇḍita, so beautiful body… Tyaktvā

sudustyaja-surepsita-rājya-lakṣmīm [sB 11.5.34]. Surepsita.

Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s position was, even the demigods, they

desired such family life. But He still gave up. That is teaching.

Therefore Sarvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya says, vairāgya-vidyā-nija-

bhak…, śikṣārtham: “to teach others.” He understood that in order to

teach others vairāgya-vidyā… He is the Supreme Person. Vairāgya-

vidyā-nija-bhakti-yoga-śikṣārtham ekaḥ purāṇa-puruṣaḥ: [Cc.

Madya 6.254] “That He was, Supreme Lord. Now He has appeared as

Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya.”Śarīra-dhārī: “He has accepted one body as Śrī

Kṛṣṇa Caitanya.” So these things should be stopped, that they should

live comfortably with husband and wife, children, and take salary

from the… You decide. This is not to our… Besides that, in our BBT it

is clearly written that “Fifty percent for printing book, and fifty

percent for…” So you cannot violate this. Those who can give

voluntary service, “Welcome.” Otherwise we don’t require. At least

they should not be given any salary. That is very bad. This is against

principle.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I was reading the life sketch of Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura.

He always maintained a government service job, and still…

Prabhupāda: He gave so much service to Kṛṣṇa. From his family

maintenance… He could have renounced, but he said that the family

has to be maintained. So he… Markaṭa-vairāgya. Bhaktivinoda

Ṭhākura was against giving sannyāsa. He didn’t like these bābājīs.

They were markaṭa-vairāgya, superficially… Markaṭa-vairāgya

means monkey. They live naked, eat fruits, live in the jungle. That is

vairāgya. But three dozen wives. Markaṭa-vairāgya. Markaṭa means

monkey. Superficially vairāgya, nāgā-bābā. They eat vegetables,

fruits, live in the jungle, no house, or, all, everything like vairāgya.

But sex. We have… I have seen in Vṛndāvana. They have got a party,

each monkey, women’s party, and the male will come to any female,

“Now ready,” “Enter.” You can see it. Markaṭa-vairāgya nāhi paraloka

dasaya(?).So this should not be encouraged. Then gradually it will

deteriorate into…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The Christians had that happen to them.

Prabhupāda: Hm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The Christian religion had that deterioration.

Everything deteriorated more and more into sense gratification.

Prabhupāda: Because they have no valid philosophy. It is simply

official. They have nothing, no knowledge, no nothing, simply that

dress and cloth. That’s all.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Just like the original… When Jesus was there and he

had twelve disciples, they simply gave up everything and traveled

with him and tried to preach. So they were renunciates, living simply

whatever they could take, nothing more, and devoting their lives to

God. But the followers later on, more and more they added the

degree of sense gratification, till now you can’t see any renunciation

at all within their order.

Prabhupāda: No, they are drinking. They are having homosex. They

are encouraging homosex, giving man-to-man marriage. You know

that? This is going on. Doing everything nonsense.

Girirāja: Actually their leader…

Prabhupāda: And they are concluding that they cannot stop

committing sins and Jesus Christ will take account for them.

Therefore it is very good religion, that “We can do whatever

nonsense we like, and if we keep our faith in Jesus Christ, then we

are saved.” Pāpa-buddhiḥ, nāmno balād pāpa-buddhiḥ. Great

offenders. So what news?

Girirāja: Well, the reason I came up is I’m going to try to phone Mr.

Rajda now.

Prabhupāda: Hm?

Girirāja: Going to try to phone Mr. Rajda. And considering that the

Prime Minister may not have that much time… We had discussed

that he should come here to meet you, but suppose if we fix up, say,

a minimum time if he can’t come here, say at least a half hour

undisturbed, something like that, is it possible to fix in the city or

we should just insist that…

Prabhupāda: Hm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He’s suggesting that if the Prime Minister can’t give

that much time, whether you would go to see him? Actually, if you

give the idea that Prabhupāda wants to see him in the morning

hours…

Girirāja: Yeah, I’m going to.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I mean, if he says that that’s not possible…

Prabhupāda: That is not respectful.

Girirāja: No.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Not at all respectful.

Prabhupāda: Then he does not know how to honor a saintly person.

It is useless to meet him. If he has no respect for saintly person, if

he thinks greater than saintly person, then he’s useless.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then nothing will come of it, anyway. And if we give

this opportunity, that he come in the morning, if he…

Prabhupāda: No, no, apart from that, if he has got that sense, that “I

am very big man, so everyone should come here,” he’s useless. We

cannot do anything with him.

Girirāja: That’s what I thought.

Prabhupāda: Very beginning is…

Girirāja: On the wrong foot.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, he has to come to see you, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Oh,

there’s so many examples in the śāstra of great personalities.

Prabhupāda: Even Caitanya Mahāprabhu refused to see, what to

speak of going there.

Girirāja: I agree with you.

Prabhupāda: Even big, big kings, Akbar, Mansingh, they used to,

used to come to Rūpa Gosvāmī.

Girirāja: No, I agree with you completely.

Prabhupāda: Did… He demanded like that?

Girirāja: No. When I spoke to Mr. Rajda I said that the Prime Minister

should come here, and Mr. Rajda agreed. But just now, when I… I

just spoke to Gopāla. I was on my way to make the call. So he said

that I should just ask you about this.

Prabhupāda: Hm?

Girirāja: I was just going to phone, and I mentioned to Gopāla Kṛṣṇa

Prabhu that I was going to make this call. So I said that, you know,

the Prime Minister was going to be coming here, so he… And I said

that I also, in the call I wanted to make that very clear so there was

no mistake. And he said that, well, he might be too busy to come

here and that he…

Prabhupāda: Gopāla said.

Girirāja: Yeah. So I thought it would be better just to…

Prabhupāda: No, there is no question of.

Girirāja: Yeah. No, I agree completely. I mean, you’re millions and

billions of times greater than anyone, so there’s no question…

Prabhupāda: No, apart from that, if one has no proper respect for a

saintly person, he’s useless man. You cannot have any benefit. Or

neither he can derive any benefit.

Girirāja: Yeah.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: From all sides.

Girirāja: Because he’ll think he has nothing to learn, that he is

already in the best position.

Prabhupāda: And we don’t require any from, anything from them,

but for the whole human society’s welfare we can suggest him, “Do

like this.” That is our… But we don’t require anything from them.

Girirāja: I know that. This is your…

Prabhupāda: Of course, sometimes we are in difficulty. We ask them

something.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But that’s their duty, anyway. Kṣatriyas should

provide protection for the saintly person.

Girirāja: Anyway, our real protector is Kṛṣṇa.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Girirāja: He has… Because we’ve seen so many difficulties. Nobody

could see any solution, but…

Prabhupāda: That one Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s devotee was ordered

to be hanged.

Girirāja: I didn’t know that.

Prabhupāda: Gopīnātha Paṭṭanāyaka.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah.

Prabhupāda: All the devotees approached Caitanya Mahāprabhu,

thinking that “He must… The king will excuse him.” He never agreed.

“Oh, I cannot do that. If he has done something wrong, then let

him…” Of course, he was saved and protected by Caitanya

Mahāprabhu’s good wish, but He never agreed. These are some of

the examples that… Simply depend on Kṛṣṇa. But if they are actually

respectful, we can ask them. There is… But if it is difficult job…

Viṣayiṇāṁ sandarśanām atha yoṣit… We cannot keep so strictly, but

these are the principles taught by Caitanya Mahāprabhu.

Girirāja: So that principle about living together and salary…

Prabhupāda: That is…

Girirāja: That is meant to apply everywhere in the society.

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. This is exploitation of the society.

Girirāja: I know. Since I’ve been preaching more, I’ve been able to

see how much labor and endeavor is going in just to maintain so

many idle people. I know you’ve been saying this for a long time,

and now, you know, I feel the strength to actually change that, that

only those who are really sincere workers can stay.

Prabhupāda: Otherwise no need. We need their service, but not by

being salaried. That is not good. (end)

"So, it requires a devotee who can explain God from any Godly literature"? ( Morning Walk, June 6, 1974, Geneva)

 

Mahak is one of the best devotees at doing this I have read on the internet.

Prabhupāda, Morning Walk, June 6, 1974, Geneva: [...]Yes. So it requires the devotee who can explain from any godly literature about God. How rascal they are! “Jesus Christ ate fish. Therefore we shall maintain big, big slaughterhouse.” Just see the argument. Then, in the Bengali, mosa makta kanan (?). There was a mosquito, and one is asking, “Bring a cannon.” “Bring a cannon.” Mosa makta kanan. Jesus Christ ate somewhere. There was no food available to eat, might have. Accepting he ate, but that, does it mean that you have to maintain slaughterhouse? Just see. And besides that, he might have done anything. He’s powerful. He can eat. Therefore the other day I said, “He can eat the whole world.” But you cannot imitate. You have to follow his instruction. That is Christianity.

Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: Many of the young people now, they look to the Bible for instruction, but they don’t like to go to church at all. They feel that the church is hypocritical.

Prabhupāda: Hypocritical, simply hypocritical. All these priests and cardinals and popes, they’re all hypocritical. Getting high, highly salaried, high salaries, and drinking wine. And in America there is a hospital, five thousand drunkard priests are admitted there to cure

their drinking habit. That was published in a paper. And they’re sanctioning man to man marriage. That was published in that, what is that? Watch?

Satsvarūpa: Watchtower?

Prabhupāda: Watchtower. Yes.

Guru Gaurāṅga: They did a survey among the Catholic priests…

Prabhupāda: What is this? They do not fight. Why there is soldier? (laughter) What nonsense. Why there are soldiers? The neutral? 1939. This is Second World War. And First World War, 19…

Yogeśvara: (reading) “Dedicated to the soldiers of Geneva who died in the service of their country.”

Prabhupāda: So that means it was attacked?

Guru Gaurāṅga: Probably defending banks or things like that. Civil.

Prabhupāda: Two wars, 1914 to 1918.

Swiss Devotee: They have big military poems. Yes.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Swiss Devotee: Many, many.

Guru Gaurāṅga: We read in the papers, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that they did a survey among the Capucine priests and fifty percent felt that their spiritual life was hampered by the fact that they could not have intimate relations with women. And forty percent felt that they were not allowed enough freedom and that obedience was not good.

Prabhupāda: Not allowed in…?

Guru Gaurāṅga: Enough freedom.

Prabhupāda: What is that freedom?

Yogeśvara: Illicit principles. Sinful principles.

Prabhupāda: Oh. [break] …fig, there are thousands of seeds. And each seed contains a tree like that. And there are thousands of fruits, figs. Where is that chemist who can prepare such figs? One, in Delhi, when our festival was going on, we invited a big chemist. He admitted that “Our chemical advance, scientific advancement is like

this.” He explained very nicely. You were present?

Yogeśvara: Where?

Prabhupāda: In Delhi? He said that a man who has learned the art to, what is called, barking like dog, and people will go to see, purchasing ticket, ten rupees, twenty rupees, how the man is barking like a dog. And there are so many dogs barking. They won’t see. This is our advancement. If a man has artificially learned how to bark, they’ll go to see by paying fees. And the natural barking, they don’t care. So these rascals are like that. They’re trying to manufacture life. And so many life is coming by nature’s process, millions and millions, that is no credit. And he’s trying, utopian, he’ll create life by chemical combination, he’s given all credit, Nobel Prize: “Oh, here is a man.” This is rascaldom. So what credit you’ll get. Suppose if you can manufacture a man or an animal in the laboratory, where is your credit? There are many millions and millions are coming automatically. We are trying to give credit to Kṛṣṇa who is making all this creation.

Yogeśvara: There is one Englishman named Aldous Huxley…

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Yogeśvara: …who wrote a book called “Brave New Worlds”, and in that book, he predicted something that’s coming true now, that there would be a process of biologically screening babies so that men could be breeded like animals, like they breed animals. So they would take one strain of chromosomes and breed a class of men who would make perfect administrators, and then they would breed another class of men that would be perfect śūdras, and they would breed another class of men who would be perfect scientists.

Prabhupāda: And that is already there. Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ. The, the, in Vedic astrology, jāta-karma, they will say that “This child is a śūdra, this child is a brāhmaṇa, this child is a kṣatriya.” By the birth, by the constellation of the stars, it will be done. It is

already being done. And in the medical laboratory, the blood has been tested, brāhmaṇa, śūdra, vaiśya, there is different blood. Yes. The blood infusion. So if the, a different blood is infused, it does not act. So one doctor, in India, he was permanently keeping different

bloods for different persons. So there is some meaning in the caste system. But that is not… In a brāhmaṇa family, a śūdra may also take birth. Śūdra blood. So to keep the blood brahminical, therefore the reformatory system is there, garbhādhāna-saṁskāra and all the

saṁskāras. Before birth, they keep, to keep the blood brahminical, there is ceremony.

Satsvarūpa: Yesterday you said when one becomes initiated by a bona fide spiritual master, his body changes.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Satsvarūpa: Even if he was mleccha, he can become brāhmaṇa.

Yogeśvara: Actually, the chemists also say that there are four types of blood, A, AB, O, and something like that. They give it four names.

Prabhupāda: And according to Hindu system, the marriage was taking place finding, examining the girl’s constitution and the boy’s constitution so that there may not be disruption. Everything was

there.

Yogeśvara: The Vedic system is so scientific.

Prabhupāda: Oh yes. That is human civilization. That is Āryan civilization. Vedic civilization means Āryan.

Yogeśvara: Hitler also wanted to produce a pure breed of Āryans, but artificially. He just said anyone who is German-born, they are the pure Āryans.

Prabhupāda: But so much freedom in sex, how the blood can be pure? [break]

Yogeśvara: …but Kṛṣṇa-prasādam?

Prabhupāda: Then he’s neutral always. He’s not affected by all these qualities.

Yogeśvara: I guess the blood becomes purified like that. [break]

Prabhupāda: I said that “You scientists, you are simply wasting time.” Did I not say that, last night?[...]

Don't know if this is actually Vaishnava behaviour or something like business right in the Deities room?

Pujari Work Wanted

 

by Hare Krsna das

Posted July 3, 2007

 

I am a pujari of Lord Jagannath. I have 20 years' experience of Deity worship. I have worked in Juhu Mumbai, Sri Radha Partha-sarathi Mandir and Hyderabad Temple as well as in many other temples of ISKCON. Presently i am in New York and staying with a godbrother. I am looking for Deity worship service in any U.S. temple, under the following conditions.

1. They will provide me a room, boarding, food, medical expenses and salary of at least $ 700 per month.
   
2. They will provide me a return air ticket to India once every six months.

If you are interested kindly contact me at my this e-mail: hkdas1@

 

Yes Wrong word to use...Sorry, Yes i'm a Follower of Lord Caitanya and Sirla Prabhupada. All glories to Prabupada.

 

I'm not against any branches of the Hare Krishna movement, i'm not against Ritvik too, but based on my calculated research, Prabupada never intended a Ritvik system which they claim to be. Yes Some Gurus have fall, and this is a Learning Experience for future followers. Anyway i'm attending Iskcon programs and all is well.

 

Humbleness,Sincerity and strong faith is the hallmark of the Hare Krishna movement, i ve seen that within Iskcon but not with the Ritvik, because it seems many Ritvik followers lack the humbleness, maybe because they don't have a Guru to tell them "Hey be Humble"

Thanks maccoy77, yes, I also tried several times to present this at the forum, but somehow it seems the honoured Vaishnava members don't like to address this issue.

The Ritvik movements like IRM were surely not started by, as said above, so called deviants of ISKCON, but by ISKCON itself. After series of epidemic falldowns of so many "diksa-gurus" leaving behind thousands of betrayed disciples some concerned devotees started the Ritvik movements, with good reason. It is simple like that. As Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja instructed to first of all have a strong GBC to keep the movement one united powerful preaching force and not fall appart like a ramshackle hut, this was surely also Prabhupada's foremost desire. Somehow, both, Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja, couldnt install their movements as such that they won't fall appart the very day they left this world. This is not an opinion but plain fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why would anyone, in fact trillions of jiva’s choose to leave Goloka?

 

 

 

This is a question of the material mind. If you take a microscope and watch a dust particle from your kitchen floor, thats what this material world is - an insignificant particle of dust in God's creation. Somehow by the effectiveness of maya or illusion we consider this as our home.

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070703/28279_Hindu_to_Lead_Prayer_in_U.S._Senate_for_First_Time_Ever.htm

Hindu to Lead Prayer in U.S. Senate for First Time Ever

By Doug Huntington

Christian Post Reporter

Tue, Jul. 03 2007 09:54 AM ET

A Hindu chaplain will lead the U.S. Senate in prayer this month for what is believed the first time in government history.

On July 12, Rajan Zed, a Hindu chaplain from Nevada, will open the Senate’s morning session with prayer - something normally seen as a Judeo-Christian tradition.

Christian senators, in response, have expressed their approval of the event because it reflects the right to free speech in the government body.

“July 12 will be an illustrious day for all Americans,” explained Zed in a statement, “and a memorable day for Indian Americans when prayers from ancient Hindu scriptures will be read in the great hall of democracy.”

Since 1789, the Senate has opened its workday with prayer. The practice is a rare relic among the government since officials have tried to keep a strict separation of church and state in recent years.

Normally, the prayer is given by the Senate Chaplain, currently Barry Black, a Seventh Day Adventist, but it is not uncommon for senators to recommend guest chaplains from their home states to start the day.

According to the records, it does not appear that any Hindu has ever led the spiritual act since 1857. In that year, they had officially created a Senate chaplain, and before had always used guest chaplains in the mornings. The list is incomplete, but officials feel almost certain that no other Hindu has led.

Zed has explained that he will recite something from the Rig Veda, the Upanishads and the Bhagavad-Gita, but the content will be more universal in nature.

"I believe that despite our philosophical differences, we should work together for the common objectives of human improvement, love, and respect for others," the former India-native told Cybercast News Service.

Zed has also given the opening prayer in the Nevada State Assembly and Nevada State Senate this past March and May, respectively. According to records, it appears that he was the first Hindu to do so among all state legislatures.

He is not the first non-Christian or non-Jew to lead a Senate invocation, however. Wallace Mohammed became the first Muslim to recite a prayer in 1992.

According to the Times of India, there is an estimated 2 million Indian-Americans in the United States, with another one million as part of Hindu groups such as ISKCON (International Society for Krishna Consciousness) – also known as the Hare Krishna' movement.

Material scientists are now exploring the possiblity that the "universe knew we were coming". This explains why evolution is so precise.

The only thing what is precise is that modern scientists know that their "theories" (these cannot even be called scientific theories but rather blind believes) are meant to fool the public, keep them in animalistic materialism and take the taxpayers money. Thats what's all about the so called "evolution theory". The evidence about the complexity of even just one fruitfly is so crushing, that modern scientists just laugh about our stupidity to consider their understanding of evolution as real.