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Govinda Hari Govinda Bhakta Vatsala Govinda Bhakta Vatsala Govinda ....

mugdhaM mAM nigadantu nIti-nipuNA bhrAntaM muhur vaidikAH mandaM bAndhava-saJcayA jaDa-dhiyaM muktAdarAH sodarAH | unmattaM dhanino viveka-caturAH kAmaM mahA-dAmbhikaM moktuM na kSamate manAg api mano govinda-.-spRhAm || May the moral experts accuse me of being naive and childish; may the Vedic ritualists slander me repeatedly as being deluded; may my friends and relatives call me dull and stupid; may my brothers who covet liberation call me a mentally retarded fool; may the wealthy millionaires think of me as a victim of total madness; and may the learned philosophers assert me as a great performer without any true substance; still my heart is not capable of giving up the passionate desire for the lotus feet of Govinda. - 'Padyavali'. 81 - Sri Madhava

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Brihadaranyak Upanishad 2.4 (Yagyavalka Maitreyi samvad) verse 5 sa ha uvAcha na vA are patyuH kAmAya patiH priyo bhavaty Atmanastu kAmAya patiH priyo bhavati | na vA are jAyAyai kAmAya jAyA priyA bhavaty Atmanastu kAmAya jAyA priyA bhavati | .... .... na vA are sarvasya kAmAya sarvaM priyaM bhavaty Atmanastu kAmAya sarvaM priyaM bhavaty AtmA vA are drashhTavyaH shrotavyo mantavyo nididhyAsitavyo | maitreyy Atmano vA are darshanena shravaNena matyA viGYAneneda{\m+} sarvaM viditam.h || 5 || And he said: 'Verily, a husband is not dear, that you may love the husband; but that you may love the Self, therefore a husband is dear. 'Verily, a wife is not dear, that you may love the wife; but that you may love the Self, therefore a wife is dear. .... .... 'Verily, not for the sake of the All, my dear, is the All loved, but it is loved for the sake of the Self.' 'Verily, my dear Maitreyi, it is the Self that should be realized—should be heard of, reflected on, and meditated upon. By the realization of the Self, my dear—through hearing, reflection, and meditation—all this is known.'

---> that desire is meant for Krishna... Because nobody else can satisfy that .... tried and tested ....

---> the fact that i like this person is it because of my own freewill or is it because of lord krishna's will? how am i supposed to know whether lord approves of it or no? He neither approves nor disapproves. If you want what you want very badly, Krishna will give.... you can rest in peace ....

Gee, this is my desktop......... ayi nanda-tanuja kinkaram patitam mam visame bhavambudhau krpaya tava paada-pankaja sthita-dhuli-sadrsam vicintaya "Oh, My Lord, O Krsna, son of Maharaja Nanda, I am Your eternal servant, but because of My own fruitive acts, I have fallen in this horrible ocean of nescience. Now please be causelessly merciful to Me. Consider Me a particle of dust at Your lotus feet." Caitanya Shikshashtakam 5

---> what will the lord think about me?am i falling? The Lord is a carefree guy who likes to rest beside a pond and waste His time by throwing stones in it.... He has no trip to lay onto anyone else....

shaantakaaram bhujagashayanam padmanaabham suresham vishwaadhaaram gaganaa sadrusham meghavarnam shubhaangam. Laxmikaantam kamalanayanam yogibhir-dhyaanagamyam vande Vishnu bhavabhaya haaram sarvalokaika naatham.

From PYAASAA: aaj sajan mohe ang lagaalo aaj sajan mohe ang lagaalo janam safal ho jaaye hriiday kii piidaa deh kii agni sab shiital ho jaaye "O my beloved, kindly put me in your embrace today then my having taken birth here will be a success the pain in the heart and the fire consuming my body all of that will be satisfied" kai jug se hai jaage more nain abhaage kahin jiiyaa nahiin laage bin tore "My unfortunate eyes have been awake for ages Without You, my dear... I can't put my mind anywhere" sudh jise nahin laage dukh peeche peeche bhaage "This wretched one who is never in her senses.... who has her miseries running after her...." jag suunaa suunaa laage bin tore "O dear one, without you, the world seems so empty...." karuun laakh jatan more man kii tapan more tan kii jalan nahiin jaaye "I have done everything I possibly could, however, the scorching heat in my mind and the burning in my body does not go away" kaisii laagii ye lagan kaisii jaagii ye agan jiyaa dhiir dharan nahiin paaye "What kind of attachment is this, what kind of fire.... I just can't remain patient in my heart any more" prem sudhaa ... more saavariyaa "O this exceedingly sweet nectar of prema.... O my beloved...." prem sudhaa itanii barsaao ke jag jal thal ho jaaye "O please! shower this sweet nectar of prema on me with such an intensity that this whole world burns into ashes" aaj sajan ... mohe apanaa banaalo meri baanh pakad main huun janam janam kii daasii "O please, make me yours.... just take hold of my hand birth after birth, I am just your maidservant only" meri pyaas bujhaalo manahar giridhar, pyaas bujhaalo "O my dearest Giridhar, O you who has captured my heart, please satisfy my longing....please quench my thirst...." main huun antarghat tak pyaasii "I am thirsty till the deepest recesses of my heart" (I cannot provide a good enough translation here) prem sudhaa ... more saavariyaa prem sudhaa itanii barasaao ke jag jal thal ho jaaye aaj sajan ...

---> But if you feel that then perhaps it's a good thing and Krsna is using it to draw you closer to Himself. In comparison to Krishna, one's own ego is just like scum in the drain. One does not understand this unless faced with the real choice....

Dear ALL Vishnu / Krishna / Radha bhaktas, I would humbly like to ask for forgiveness from all and everyone of you who I have intentionally or otherwise hurt. My offences of harsh and bitter words are hard to forget and forgive however I would expect that as merciful vaishnavas, you will certainly consider my case....

Dear Raghuraman, I am sorry if my words hurt you. I have a very bitter tongue. Please forgive me....

Prabhuji, I must apologize for my conduct! There is no sound in Krishna's stick but it is very swift and hard. I think I had forgotten the purpose behind the original apology posted here. That offence against a vaishnava, whoever he may be, is a road to destruction. Even a durachari who is devoted to Krishna is to be considered sadhu since his devotion will cure him of his anarthas. api cet su duracharo bhajate mam anayabhak sadhur eva sa mantavyah samyag vyavasito hi sah. Then you Prabhuji seem to be a very learned devotee of Sri Vishnu. Perhaps whatever I wanted to say, I could have said in a softer tone. Then again I think now that whatever I wanted to say was simply an ego trip to satisfy an itch to reply anyway. I should have kept quiet. It was wrong of me to use harsh words against you. I think you had your reasons for your displeasure and were just expressing that. I have unnecessarily interfered. Kindly forgive me if you can....

Dear Prabhuji, I do not arrogate to myself the status of devotee of Vishnu. I, and most others here, like to hear and talk about Krishna and what He does as in some folk lores and kirtans. We do that because we *like* to do that not because it is the shastric dictate. Of course from time to time there are some sensible and unambiguous statutes from Shastra that we find convenient to further our involvement. And if this leads me to andha-tamah, I couldn't care less.... I think this should be as clear as it could get.... You Prabhuji, on the other hand, find that a devotee of Vishnu has to necessarily fight tooth and nail over some fringe topics of the Vedas. I wish you good luck. It doesn't bother me if you continue to do otherwise, however, my sincere advice still is, that you should try to seek company which is able to understand you.

---> That's why it's so important to encourage NRIs to at least retire in India and spend some of that foreign currency at home... It is not just the currency, it is the brain, it is the brain that matters.....

That is what I was saying. It is not that the developed countries have been unfairly blessed by God. It is because the people who could make the difference really made the difference. In case of India, those who can make the difference are in the US.

Avinash, I can sympathize with you. And there are two things I would like to say. Sometimes because of one's own experiences one tends to make some generalizations which may be somewhat out of touch with reality. Second why not get into building a nation where one can live without feeling like (for want of a better word) a second class citizen. People are not born perfect but as one matures one realizes the broader context in which one gets to fit himself in society. Whatever motivation was behind your service, that was more precious than some green dollars coming to India. May be, some day, you will feel the satisfaction behind it. I am not someone very different than you. I have taught engineering in places where perhaps once I would not have liked to go. But if everybody starts thinking like that, then this will go on and on and on. Germany and Japan did not come up because the US had pumped money. It was because the people there were stubborn enough to see their country being rebuilt by their own hands. But then again this is my opinion only. It has already been pointed out that I am a person with no self respect, so I should stop here.

Avinash, I agree that there may be some logistical problems faced by the researchers in India, but beyond that I would not say that just because a case or two has come up of some odd discrimination, the whole system is like that. People in IITs publish papers all throughout (because I have been through the system). I was just referring to the mad rush to get some papers in one's bag just to polish the resume. There doesn't seem to be an urge for novelty. Indians have done some of the finest jobs in research when they move on to the US. Why is that? Does any Indian care to think? A nation is not built just by talks. There has to be solid groundwork. If brains go elsewhere, mediocrity will be left behind to manage India and that is what is happening and what I was referring to. I have great appreciation for people who inspite of easy opportunities to move out, have stayed back and showed how to make a difference, to really go where one is needed. I don't remember his name right now, but one such person was a director of CDAC.

---> Now whatever that IISc guy pointed to, I am sure he has no first hand knowledge of what is happening here in USA. That's a typical Americanized Indian snobbery. However, some people prefer reality. What you mention is all in the US of America. It is because of the environment supporting knowledge and originality. Tell me, how many original research comes out of the heavily funded IITs? The graduates are busy packing their bags to the US and the PG's want to sit for IAS!!! http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/jul/11praful.htm ---> It is better for Indians who never visited USA not to make ignorant comments foolishy and for once i would request some people here to read the post in context. You sure seem to have a crystal ball, buddy, to have seen who never went to the USA by how they talk .... ---> By the way, the East Indian community in USA is one of the most successful and highly educated minority group in USA. You take me to be a communist or what? ---> The most surprising thing of all is that you(an Indian) supporting a guy who calls Indians as dogs and slaves. Do you have any self respect at all. When dogs bark, I don't have much time to respond and bark back at them -- that does not add to my dignity! I was not supporting the guy. I don't support Osamas, either Pakistani or Indian.

Your honesty is all but dripping from your body. I guess according to your "shastra", being honest means to respond to an apology with a nasty comment. If being honest, entails becoming like you, then God save this world from "honest" people.

PLEASE!! That age old argument to batter those who do not necessarily understand the difference of reference from value. We are not doing C programming here. No, there is no mob out here and people are not making things up. They may not necessarily dress the dishes up to the last detail as you like them to be, may be one wrong ingredient here or there but not necessarily intentional, but I guess that is OK for Krishna. And they do get troubled when somebody interferes with his nose high up in the air. And if somebody troubled you with your talk, I would say the same to him also. Leave this guy alone. As for those who like some help on a school assignment titled "Krishna and His usage of cocaine", I prefer to ignore them cause Krishna has given most people enough intelligence to know what is right from what is wrong. They do not necessarily need to wait for the blue book of rules to be laid down to the last detail because in most case it ain't needed. Even then, if the guy is not too disruptive, people ignore him thinking that, may be, the guy will correct himself eventually. Blast them if you want to but do not explicitly drag NAMES to the mob party. It was VERY VERY dirty of you to do that. Those people who you have included in the mob are benign for the most part I have seen them operating here, even though I know they would not agree with what I stand for and believe in. I do not know why you are trying to beat around the bush. Good for those who like to go to Vishnu through Shastra of your definition, but that is not what everyone likes to do!! Dig? Pardon if this is inaccurate, but I have a hunch that you must have seen somebody making some round comment that just did not fit your square hole and you could not resist bringing up your purist philosophy and when the masses blasted you, you just started bad mouthing them.... What do you think.... people are fools? Your cold satire shows in all its rotten infestation .... You know what, your friends tried to do the same thing all these years. They failed. Cause the world now is neither exclusively their place nor exclusively their time. They just keep quiet nowadays. They have their place and they are intelligent enough to keep to themselves.

Gee Prabhuji, there must be something wrong with me that I don't see the mob out here. Some people, just don't like writing theses on punctuation marks which is what it comes down to when we really really REALLY go the way you want. And I don't agree, however much you may say it loudly, that talking about Krishna is the same as talking about Shastra. I have wasted half my life in this mortal world doing that and I have achieved little (except for, may be, learning some finer nuances of sanskrit grammar). And if this makes me a Hindu heretic, so be it, I don't care....

You win prabhuji !! Does that satisfy you? Probably not!! So open your fridge and get hold of a budweiser.... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

I was just replying to prabhuji's grouse: Well, whatever his intentions may be and they certainly seem praiseworthy, prabhuji takes a very confrontationist attitude in an alien forum. My piece of advice was just that you can't tell even the right things to the wrong kind of people at a wrong place and that too in a wrong manner. And if you do that, you are going to get blasted.... again and again and again.... and then again, he says: Well Prabhuji, knowledge is very good, however, in my opinion again, unless tempered by a good dose of humble tone in the presentation, fails entirely in achieving the intended result. I think that this and the previous advice applies to me as well, so I'll stop responding to him.