sant

नेथन as pronounced as ne-thun

कौन्नर as pronuonced as cau- nur

Sant, I was just asking from a carnivore`s point of view. What if I were a tiger asking you this question? How will human society get the resources to feed the multitudes of hogs, cows, and chickens if they wont be killed for food? when human society couldn`t even feed adequately her billions of siblings? Multiply one loaf of bread and fish to billions daily so she would have the time to plant corn and wheat to feed the mutitudes of hogs, cows, and chickens?

i apologise.

human society raises cats,cows chickens to slaughter them.

Human society doesnt necessarily have to feed all animals

you eat beef?

I believe the criticism referred to here is actually needless fault finding, based on envy. It doesnt refer to disagreeing, or debating other beliefs.

 

 

 

even i said the same thing.

Youre going to criticise something which you think is wrong or youre going to find fault against someone whom you dont beleive is right.

Ive learnt from someone that if you envy someone then its most likely youl criticise him.

Im not a vaishnav

BUt still if you want answerss then

1--does "feeling for sufferings of others" include in its scope both material and spiritual sufferings or it leaves the foodless to die in the streets by blaming them for their bad karma ??

ans.yes he does ,a saintly man in my opinion will help others in trouble.

2--when it is mentioned that a vaishnav "does not criticize anyone" does it come with exceptions like shaktas , shaivas , ganapatyas , suryas , advaitists ?

ans.criticism is criticism.But if others are fighting with you then due to the hurt someone has caused to you or you feel hurt by reading someones philsoosphy then sometimes you tend to criticise.

3-- when it is said that a vaishnav "has conquered passion,avarice and anger" does it exclude anger towards advaitists and others sects( anger proper , im not talking of ordinary difference of opinion) ?

anger is in the mode of ignorance but sometimes we do get angry and it may be right.IM saying it because even mahapurush have gotten angry.But anger is in the mode of ignorance.

smiley will find anyone who will demean christainity or mohamedans.

Smiley only hindus are the best, does that make you happy.

Go on practice sati or have a hundred wives.

or just wait for chandu wholl come wholl say- yes i agree the gospels are wrong,they were written in greek, are highly edited bla bla bla

 

 

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Originally Posted by melvin

Where will human society get the resources to feed multitudes of hogs, cows and chickens if they are not killed for food?

 

Where does human society get the resources to feed the elephants and whales? It doesn't because Krishna is the maintainer not humans. As Jesus said; consider the sparrows and flowers and how our Father cares for each one of them personally.

 

There are so many cows, pigs and chickens because they are being bred to feed the voracious blood cravings of the meateating class. As people gradually begin to give up eating flesh their numbers will also decrease in a corresponding manner.

 

If Ford is not selling so many cars then they will naturally produce less to be sold. Simple demand and supply.

MElvin keep your disgusting tast animal like taste and views to your self.

cars are not living beings.

reminds me of a video where prabhupada was talking to a priest who also came up with how will we feed our children without beef.

in many ways i am and in a few way i am not !

 

i belong to vaishnav family by birth . i acccept krishna and vishnu as the highest god . i love and adore mahaprabhu and his original sankirtan movement . i believe in naam-mahatmya .

 

however i do not that krishna or vishnu is the exclusive highest god ! i do not believe that liberation can be only granted by krishna . i do not believe that advaitavada is false !

these im sure would fall within the beliefs of a non-vaishnava .

 

anyways that doesnt clear the doubts that i am speaking of ......

You only made me happy sambya.

Why then the shaktism.

Other demigods are just manifestaions o raspects of vishnu.Im not saying just like that but great acharyas have accepted only vishnu.What explaantion can you give.Even adi shanakracharya in his commentary to vishnu sahasranam has identified vishnu as brahm.He hasnt given this status to durga or anyone else.Actually i read a story where shakts have abused adi shnakaracharya also.I read a story that adi sh. goes to argue with shakts to kashmir.On the way he gets sick,has fever and becomes motionless.Then a nine year old girl comes to him and says that see without shakti you are useless and cant do anything.And thus shaktism is reigned supreme in this way.Adi shanakracharya loses and composes some hym or prayer.

jai maa durga

i'll try to summarise them again --

 

1--does "feeling for sufferings of others" include in its scope both material and spiritual sufferings or it leaves the foodless to die in the streets by blaming them for their bad karma ??

 

2--when it is mentioned that a vaishnav "does not criticize anyone" does it come with exceptions like shaktas , shaivas , ganapatyas , suryas , advaitists ?

 

 

3-- when it is said that a vaishnav "has conquered passion,avarice and anger" does it exclude anger towards advaitists and others sects( anger proper , im not talking of ordinary difference of opinion) ?

 

 

I thought you also were a vaishnav (by birth ofcourse i dont think that counts.)

But arent you one according to yourself.

Badarayana the Sutrakara is declared to be Vyasa himself and therefore it is then possible that Vyasa made an adjustment in the earlier text (sutra or the Gita) to include the reference to the other.

 

Yes that can be thank you.

My point is wasnt the bhagavatam written after ved vyas had written all the puranas or is it written only after the mahabharat.

According to the Padma Purana,[24] the texts may be classified in accordance with the three gunas or qualities; truth, passion, and ignorance:

Sattva ("truth; purity"): Vishnu Purana, Bhagavata Purana, Naradeya Purana, Garuda Purana, Padma Purana, Varaha Purana Rajas ("dimness; passion"): Brahmanda Purana, Brahma Vaivarta Purana, Markandeya Purana, Bhavishya Purana, Vamana Purana, Brahma Purana Tamas ("darkness; ignorance"): Matsya Purana, Kurma purana, Linga Purana, Shiva Purana, Skanda Purana, Agni Purana

Let me tell you some amazzing things

Baba is empowered with sanjivani vidya which has been acquired by the siddhas through severe austerities.

People have been cured of kidney stones,and various other diseases.

Baba transfers sanjivani vidya to the people and this they do mahamrityunajay sadhana which dissolves karmas.

People ive heard get happy and people around them also change.

YouTube - Avdhoot Baba Shivanand Ji

YouTube - Shiv Yog - Rishikesh Shivir Part 1

I can only tell you about him.

MY mother had gone to some of his followere meditation and she like d it.

I watch him on tv.

I have little knowledge about chakras and all that,but he has al lot of knowledge.Certainly if you are interested you can contact him or his people.

Shiv Yog

Where do you live

If ved vyas had wirtten the bhagavt after writing the puranas anfd other texts then how does naarad purana,padm puran,mention the name of bhagavat.

I respect your dedication.

What do you mean by work in the woods

The principle is very simple and logical - whenever a seemingly dependent entity is invoked and described by attributes that are solely those of Brahman alone, then that reference should be interpreted to be Brahman and not the dependent entity one might superficially consider it to mean.

Well tell that to the shaivite or shakts.

Te devi bhagwat calls durga brahm in one part and then it says that highest is mula prakriti.

The shiv puran states that shiva is the origin of vishnu and rudra.

WHat will you call that.

Chandu are you going to criticise chritianity on two thre lines and demean the whole faith.

2.52 Madhvacarya's Commentary

To answer the query regarding what is essential for one aspiring for liberation the answer is given in this verse by Lord Krishna. The word nirvedam means indifferent, renunciation is not indicated here. Rather it is to be understood that by spiritual intelligence in the process of acquiring wisdom one becomes indifferent to mundane pursuits. It is not that one with spiritual intelligence is indifferent regarding the sublime activities of the Supreme Lord. Liberated sages immersed in the delight of the soul through their highly developed mental state advance onwards by devotion without any desires. Lord Krishna is very attracted to those following devotion possessing these attributes. The austerities and penance performed by Sukadeva and others give them immeasurable satisfaction and great happiness.

Those who meditate on the lotus feet of Lord Krishna relishing His glories and phenomenal pastimes and that of His devotees, they derive a greater satisfaction that is not even available to one fully realised. So needless to speak about the satisfaction of those in the heavenly realms who are forced to descend down to earth again once they have exhausted their benefits. For only those situated with the wisdom of spiritual intelligence can understand Lord Krishna's paramount position and thus perform all actions accordingly.

Even in liberation there is taratamya gradation. If there were no gradation then men of wisdom could not realise the mercy of Lord Krishna's divine grace which is the sole cause of liberation. In this way no one will desire similarity with Him. Even if it is offered it will not be accepted. Thus even those not desiring liberation receive it anyway as the result of devotion and those so desiring it, liberation comes manifesting auspiciousness. This auspiciousness manifests even though undesired. Just as those exalted devotees with special devotion to Lord Krishna receive special mercy at the end of their lives that can be perceived. In the same way dispensation is received by those situated in wisdom at the termination of the physical body. Other dispensation is given for the ascetics at the severance of their mortal coil and still those who experience supreme bliss with distinctive character as experienced. In all these different levels gradation always exists.

Liberation by whatever means is deliverance and in this no one can surpass one for one will be fully situated in the ultimate wisdom of devotion to Lord Krishna by spiritual intelligence. So in the matter of equilibrium it must be regarded in abundance as well as in experiencing misery. Even though abundance and misery must be regarded equally for the supreme bliss it is the realisation in wisdom by spiritual intelligence that is the key ingredient for liberation from the material existence as given in the Narayana Ashtaksha Kalpa. Hence renunciation is not indicated as a means of liberation in Vedic scriptures. There also does not exist any direction to other methods regarding liberation. Thus the understanding for this verse is that by listening to the potent words of great self-realised beings the true purport of the Vedas will be learned.

yes thanks for telling me about haji.

I have no idea why government is supporting haji but i read it is opposed by muslim groups also.

If you talk about polygamy you should know it was a social evil which was abolished.

If muslims do it it wont affect india much as they are a minority but if hindus are allowed to polygamy i dont know waht hungama will come..men in india can use it to promote their extramaritial affairs giving examples of people with 2 wives.Women wont be allowed as they will be surpressed by social pressure and then the women right activists can come into action.They will ask for women also to have polygamy.

As it is many people ,many hindus can do anything without thinking much.Why today people were burying their children in the ground alive saying it will cure deseases.

kaiserose since you must be following charvaka philosophy which is clear by your views then vedas talk only about eating meat isnt it.The purpose of the sacrifices.

Who is mula prakriti and prakriti in shaktism

Who/what is brahm in shaktism.

JAi ram

दानीयल लूइस

३०.११.७३

जो चीज मुझे मार नही सकती मुझे और ताकतवर बनाती है

Im not shore about danielle can be written as

-दैनीयल also.

Sorry to bother you narashingh maybe satguru is written like this.

सत्गुरु

Jai=

जय