ken111

I will say that all of this message was not from Krsna,

in they beginning they (I guess it was some of my spiritual guides) say "we will contact the Krishna entity soon." entity was my word, and many of the words were out of my vocabulary, I don't think they use words in spirit, so it has to be translated along the way.

From "The Origin of the universe..." to "the greatest mind." part seemed to be from Krsna, he laughed in me in this part.

Then "I laugh at your shocked state now Ken, you were not expecting me were you," was after I had started thinking again. "I’ll continue," was me trying to force a longer message, and the message started to come from beings of some sort of astral plane, with some of my mind stuff interfering a little, and it became a classic channeling message.

This was all sort of an experiment like I said in the Drugs and spirituality thread: "Let's try an experiment, I will chew on Salvia Divinorum leaves, and write what comes to me from the Salvia on this forum. I will begin by offering this moment, the Salvia leaves and the experience to Krishna. Let's see if other beings, god, or the Salvia spirit start communicating through me."

I do believe that it is possible to get a message, but that the message will not become perfect because of our ego, and thoughts interferring. And I do talk to Krsna and an inner guru all the time, with or without the use of entheogens. God can be realised in a drug-induced state, not because of the drug, but because of the person, plants can be a help, just like meditation can be a help. After all plants came from god, just like us.

I learned from a vision that Indra has been kicked out of heaven, by Krishna, because he worked for a wrong cause, and that he probably are incarnated on some kind of earth plane, maybe earth. I saw people living in Indra's heaven were not sure what had happened to him, that maybe he has become "evil", but some still believes in him and that he will come back one day.

Does anyone know where old hindu gods are today?

I mean a lot has happened since the story told by the scriptures. Does some scriptures tell of future events concerning this?

I have never tried LSD actually, but have tried Hawaiian Baby Woodrose which contain LSA, somewhat similar I have heard. I am very thankful for what entheogens has done for me. I wouldn't even have been interested in spiritual matters if it had not been for cannabis.

A lot of people say that it is temporary, I disagree a little with this. This experience now is temporary, we go into a change into a change into change... always changing states. And I learn from this experience, from this experience, from all my experiences. And the higher you are in the normal state, the more you can gain from the entheogenic induced states.

Baba Ram Dass and LSD:

"Psychedelics helped me to escape.. albeit momentarily.. from the prison of my mind. It over-rode the habit patterns of thought and I was able to taste innocence again. Looking at sensations freshly without the conceptual overly was very profound." -Baba Ram Dass

Baba Ram Dass, is a contemporary spiritual teacher who wrote the 1971 bestseller Be Here Now. He is well known for his association with Timothy Leary at Harvard University in the early 1960s. He is also known for his travels to India and his association with the Hindu guru Neem Karoli Baba.

WHEN RAM DASS GAVE LSD TO NEEM KAROLI BABA

from http://www.miqel.com/entheogens/neem-karoli-baba-lsd-alpert.html

It just so happened that I was carrying a small supply of LSD for "just in case," and this was obviously it. "Yes." - "Get it," he said. So I did. In the bottle were five pills of three hundred micrograms each. One of the pills was broken. I placed them on my palm and held them out to him. He took the four unbroken pills. Then, one by one, very obviously and very deliberately, he placed each one in his mouth and swallowed it-- another unspoken thought of mine now answered.

As soon as he had swallowed the last one, he asked, "Can I take water?"

"Yes."

"Hot or cold?"

"It doesn't matter."

He started yelling for water and drank a cup when it was brought.

The he asked," How long will it take to act?"

"Anywhere from twenty minutes to an hour."

He called for an older man, a long -time devotee who had a watch,

and Maharajji held the man's wrist, often pulling it up to him to peer at the watch.

Then he asked,"Will it make me crazy?"

That seemed so bizzare to me that I could only go along with what seemed to be a gag.

So I said, "Probably." And then we waited.

After some time he pulled the blanket over his face, and when he came out after a moment his eyes were rolling and his mouth was ajar and he looked totally mad. I got upset. What was happening?

Had I misjudged his powers? After all, he was an old man (though how old I had no idea), and I had let him take twelve hundred micrograms. Maybe last time he had thrown them away and then he read my mind and was trying to prove to me he could do it, not realizing how strong the "medicine" really was.

Guilt and anxiety poured through me. But when I looked at him again he was perfectly normal and looking at the watch. At the end of an hour it was obvious nothing had happened. His reactions had been a total put-on. And then he asked,

"Have you got anything stronger?" I didn't. Then he said, "These medicines were used in Kulu Valley long ago. But yogis have lost that knowledge. They were used with fasting. Nobody knows now. To take them with no effect, your mind must be firmly fixed on God. Others would would be afraid to take. Many saints would not take this." And he left it at that.

When I asked him if I should take LSD again, he said,

"It should not be taken in a hot climate. If you are in a place that is cool and peaceful, and you are alone and your mind is turned toward God, then you may take the yogi medicine."

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THE SALVIA HIGHWAY

When you use Salvia Divinorum, the consciousness of the Sage drags you out of your thought-pathways, into your higher pathways. In your normal life, your thoughts go in a habit pattern, the ego-pattern, Salvia drags you out of your habit pattern.

All plants are consciousness, and we have our different kinds of thinking, because of different plant-energies working in our mind.

When in the Salvia mind-space, your thoughts go from your ego-network of thoughts, to the salvia-network of thoughts, which is one of the highest manifestation of thought.

You are a thought flying around in the thought-network of eternal consciousness, you are trapped in the flowing river of thought, because in your ignorance, you think you are the thought, this is not so, you are the observer of all of this. You are the non-existent looking into the existence, and dreaming that, maybe, I, can exist also.

With very small doses, you notice how your thought network opens up to the Salvia thought network, without getting dragged in to it, this way, you can expand your mind, while in a normal state of mind, there’s no coming down feelings.

And when you are advancing, you realize how you can always communicate with the spirit of Salvia, even when the Salvia-body is not there, because all of our thougths are connected, and we can even think in someone elses thought network.

I recieve my true spiritual insights all the time, with or without plant use. The difference is that when I have taken a plant, they take me out of the habit pattern of thinking, and everything is new, my mind stops interferring. It's like I am more open to higher energies and insights, I have heard that it awakens the kundalini, and this seems right.

I learned by using small doses of Salvia how Salvia works with us, I wrote this on an Entheogen forum and I will repeat this under this post.

I agree that you can't always be sure, and you have to think about what is heard from the spirit. But you should always communicate with god inside yourself, that is my opinion, because even if you are getting the wrong information, God will eventually correct it. At certain moments you know that it is a true message.

I will not comment on the validity of the top message, what it was, I was in total surprise at everything that popped up on the screen while Krsna was laughing in me, It certainly wasn't me writing, and I saw visions that confirmed what was being told by these messengers when the message appeared.

I see Hiranyagarbha as the outermost reality, that everything is within it and nothing outside of it, of course if the Soul of Hiranyagarbha has a different name, that may be. I see that all beings come from Hiranyagarbha before entering any of the universes. I see in Hiranyagarbha there are four gods that is supreme, Krsna, Shiva, and two other that I haven't identified. I also see a shining center in the middle of Hiranyagarbha, like a giant sun, this may be Hiranyagarbha itself, since Hiranyagarbha is called the golden womb, I have also seen that when a new being is created, he arises from this shining center.

Do u really mean that Krsna doesn't have the power to talk to us in the now. I don't say that he comes to someone personally, but his energy flows out from the Total Consciousness of God.

the Absolute God of Hindus should be Hiranyagarbha, every other god are manifestations of Hiranyagarbha. Hiranyagarbha IS the god of gods. Krishna is the lord of this universe, and should be considered one with Hiranyagarbha, but not higher. This I have seen in a vision. Just read other sacred texts, there are lots of gods claiming to be the highest, and they are right, because they are talking out of their oneness with Hiranyagarbha.

sant, yes I have visions, I can have visions reading Rig Veda, or past life memories, or learning visions from spirit.

Is it so hard to believe that Krishna can talk to you at this very moment, or are you too lost in the words from holy texts that you can't listen to what god tries to tell you.

Sonic Yogi, is this the same beings that Terrence McKenna talks about when smoking DMT.

Heres what Terrence McKenna says about those self-transforming machine elves:

At about minute or two of a DMT trip, according to McKenna, one may burst through a chrysanthemum-like mandala, and find:

There's a whole bunch of entities waiting on the other side, saying "How wonderful that you're here! You come so rarely! We're so delighted to see you!"

They're like jewelled self-dribbling basketballs and there are many of them and they come pounding toward you and they will stop in front of you and vibrate, but then they do a very disconcerting thing, which is they jump into your body and then they jump back out again and the whole thing is going on in a high-speed mode where you're being presented with thousands of details per second and you can't get a hold on [them ...] and these things are saying "Don't give in to astonishment", which is exactly what you want to do. You want to go nuts with how crazy this is, and they say "Don't do that. Pay attention to what we're doing".

What they're doing is making objects with their voices, singing structures into existence. They offer things to you, saying "Look at this! Look at this!" and as your attention goes towards these objects you realise that what you're being shown is impossible. It's not simply intricate, beautiful and hard to manufacture, it's impossible to make these things. The nearest analogy would be the Fabergé eggs, but these things are like the toys that are scattered around the nursery inside a U.F.O., celestial toys, and the toys themselves appear to be somehow alive and can sing other objects into existence, so what's happening is this proliferation of elf gifts, which are moving around singing, and they are saying "Do what we are doing" and they are very insistent, and they say "Do it! Do it! Do it!" and you feel like a bubble inside your body beginning to move up toward your mouth, and when it comes out it isn't sound, it's vision. You discover that you can pump "stuff" out of your mouth by singing, and they're urging you to do this. They say "That's it! That's it! Keep doing it!".

We're now at minute 4.5 [of the trip] and you speak in a kind of glossolalia. There is a spontaneous outpouring of syntax unaccompanied by what is normally called "meaning". After a minute or so of this the whole thing begins to collapse in on itself and they begin to physically move away from you. Usually their final shot is that they wave goodbye and say "Deja vu! Deja vu!".

Chewing lasts longer, I have tried extracts, but it was a little too scary for me, like someone takes your entire reality and crumbles it into a paper-ball and throws it in the garbage

sant, you know Norway is a country,right? in scandinavia, next to sweden and denmark

I chew it without swallowing, this way it works

From Wikipedia:

Chewing

The method of chewing the leaves may also be employed. However, salvinorin A is generally considered to be inactive when orally ingested, as the chemical is effectively deactivated by the gastrointestinal system.[44] Therefore, the ‘quid’ of leaves is held in the mouth as long as possible in order to facilitate absorption of the active constituents through the oral mucosa. Chewing consumes more of the plant than smoking, and produces a longer-lasting experience.

I understand that there can be difficult for some people when I say that plants have spirits, I think both plants and animals are more intelligent than humans give them credit for.

"I died as mineral and became a plant,

I died as plant and rose to animal,

I died as animal and I was man.

Why should I fear?

When was I less by dying?"

-Sufi saying

hi, sant saw you sent me a pm, but it says i can't write a pm until 30 posts, I live in Norway

This is a message recieved in the trance state of Salvia Divinorum, I have not edited it in any way:

Stop thinking, and let the salvia write for you, we will contact the Krishna entity soon.

The Origin of the universe, I saw it all happen, right beneath my fully grown cosciousness, it bursted forth from the ocean of dreams.

This is Krishna writing, my all-expanded consciousness can reach through everyone and through every plant, I’m writing this because my dear disciple invited me through the Salvia-essence of being, I always say yes to this sort of worship, Just look at the sun shining on everyone, you are my dear children, you are always fighting useless arguments, trying to convince each other who has the greatest mind.

I laugh at your shocked state now Ken, you were not expecting me were you, I’ll continue, don’t let any thought disturb, I hold all these plants together in my network of eternal consciousness, they are my children too, they form a grid of helpful energy to the human spirits resting on this earth, you will wake up soon to who you really are, when the blindfold is removed from your eyes at death’s moment. We will show you the meaning of this place called earth, this movement called humanity, we are the watchers of the earth, we see too it that you are not disturbed from outside forces of darkness, we protect you from any negative entities trying to get hold of humankind and throw them into wars, and more wars. At one point in time, you all will reach the plane of the fourth density, and you will spiral your way to higher and higher states of divinity, for the earth is truly divine and spiritual, it is only the human kingdom on earth who are lost in the material consciousness. You all feel so alone, so trapped in your bodies, and thoughts, just reach out and the lord will be there for you, holding your hand and showing you what has been right in front of your eyes all the time. The glorious earth-goddess are seeing her children are waking up, more and more people are turning on to the all-embracing all-loving consciousness that is called god, thanks to all the Hare Krishnas and yogis and hippies, they truly changed the world.

And please stop eating the animals, you are here to watch over them, and care for them. You haven’t awakened to the Kingdom of God if you are eating animal flesh, and please don’t drink the milk from the cow, because our mother cow, known as Aditi, have set the law, that because of how humans have treated the cow, we are not allowed to drink it anymore.

This is a message from the source of divine consciousness that exists within us all, and was written allready before this day started. You are watching a miracle unfolding in front of your eyes, pay attention to what is between the lines, and don’t let your ego get in the way, and thinking that this is some sort of human invented text, it is not.

And don’t blaspheme against god saying that this is some sort of insanity, when it is a true message from the divine, I will put my spark in everyone reading this, and fire it up when you are reading from your divine source. Bless you all and happy hunting for that golden road called enlightenment.

I used Salvia divinorum and got a message from Krishna, will post it in another thread.

when a banana leaves the tree it moves into another state of being, and when you are eating it you are connecting with the banana-spirit that left the tree, or the the Total banana-consciousness. The Salvia has come to visit me now, let's see what happens.

Salvia is the only plant, that people almost always refer to as the Salvia-spirit, just look at salvia forums and you will see this happening.

You have to understand that, all bananas share a common consciousness, in a past life you may have been a banana, and when being a banana you are one with all other bananas, just like one human is sharing a common consciousness with all other humans. When you are eating something you are sharing the consciousness with what you are eating. When eating meat, you are sharing consciousness with the animal you are eating, and they share their anger with you for eating the meat.

when u eat a banana, then you are posessed by the banana spirit, you are one with it.

Let's try an experiment, I will chew on Salvia Divinorum leaves, and write what comes to me from the Salvia on this forum. I will begin by offering this moment, the Salvia leaves and the experience to Krishna. Let's see if other beings, god, or the Salvia spirit start communicating through me.