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Passing Away of Sadaputa Prabhu

BY: HARI-SAURI DASA HERE

Sep 19, (SAMPRADAYA SUN) — I just heard the terrible news that Sriman Sadaputa prabhu, one of the foremost thinkers in our society, has just departed this world. I have no detailed information at this moment other than that his body was found in the bottom of his swimming pool at his home in Alachua FL, USA. He was a personal friend and like many other devotees around the world who knew him, this news has come as a body blow.

 

I am including here a brief biography from the Bhaktivedanta Institute website:

 

"Sadaputa Dasa (Richard L. Thompson) was born in Binghamton, New York, in 1947. In 1974, he received his Ph.D. in mathematics from Cornell University, where he specialized in probability theory and statistical mechanics. He went on to do research in quantum physics and mathematical biology at the State University of New York at Binghamton, Cambridge University in the United Kingdom, and the La Jolla Institute in San Diego. He is the author of seven books and the producer of six videos on science and philosophy, and he has written many articles for scientific journals and for Back To Godhead, the magazine of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. His most recent book, Mysteries of the Sacred Universe, discusses evidence of advanced astronomical knowledge in India's ancient texts known as the Puranas. He has designed exhibits using computer animation and multimedia techniques to present the Vedic cosmology and the Vedic world view to the general populace, and he is presently writing book discussing the laws of physics and the nature and origin of life."

 

My sincere and heartfelt condolences go out to his wife and children.

 

I will be writing a memoriam soon to this brilliant devotee, who Srila Prabhupada once praised as a "real mahatma".

I like that vision...thx chris.

But Prabhu, it is not simply a "vision". It is the lifestyle recommended for a follower of Srila Prabhupada, and Lord Sri Krsna who showed in His own life how to live. Vrindavan life, with the Cows, Worshiping the Land and Cows before any other, Protecting them and Women, Children too.

I don't buy only these four. I see that the most important movement that i see as Prabhupada's greatest gift is missing from the list. And that is the live the Vrndavan lifestyle movement, which holds the other four within it.

I remember when he came to our farm temple back in 1978 summer. I believe he was just getting back to USA after a long time in India, seeing the passing of the Acharya. Our gardens were teeming with huge amounts of fruits, veggies and grains, as well as legumes. The squash had a nice set of flower petals for each plant, where the squash would be if the flower was allowed to remain protected. But he came along and was picking the flowers and said that he was going to take them and cook them into pakoras,which i guess he did. He was a swami, and i was just teen bhakta chris, so i could not argue with him.

But that was the last i saw or heard of him, so i too would like to know where he is now.

Does anyone know?

Hey! You are the Pot calling the Kettle "black".

I do not take part in supporting any kind of Killing. I try my hardest to fulfill Prabhupada's/Krishna's desire of a Devotee. I work hard to Protect all my Mothers. That is my duty. You do not try that hard, you try hard to find excuses.

Prabhupada called the life of a devotee, Simple Living/High Thinking. But your lifestyle is Simple Thinking/High Living. I reject your following and mixed up ideas. Now i have to get back to work, so don't use the "silence means you agree".

Oh, so the nuclear energy that you are using to surf the net is just fine and dandy?

 

As long as you have a computer and posting on forums you are part of the "great sinister movement".

 

Do you know how many poisons were released into the environment to create the computer you are using now?

 

Silicon Valley from where most of these computers come from has some of the most toxic water in the world.

 

You aren't aloof from the "great sinister movement".

You are bought into it just like everyone else.

I use electricity that i generate myself, read more attentively please.

I know that the computer is bogus, so i got one that was in the dump. I was cleaning up MOther Nature.

Who is protecting the carrots and celery from the juicers of these Vegans?

 

See, carrots and celery and many vegetables have to be killed in order to eat them.

 

It is not like taking a nut or a fruit off a tree.

 

These vegans think that killing vegetables is karma free.

It is NOT.

 

the cow is not killed to get the milk.

The carrot is killed to get it's juice.

Now that just shows that you do not grow your own Veggies, Fruits and Grains as well as Legumes. The 4 food groups along with Protected Cows Milk.

We do not kill any of these to feed ourselves.

Have you never grown Carrots? hahahahah it's obvious that you have not!

Carrots are Annuals, they die and then we harvest them. They are already dead! They just do not live longer than the time it takes for them to reach maturity/ripeness. All roots are like this.

Veggies too, we do not kill any plant to get our Veggies.

Fruits fall off the LIVING Tree.

Legumes also are not harvested untill the plant dies. That is just the way it is.

I am so sorry to burst your bubble along with Theist, but the only part of a so called vegatarian's life that is linked with death, is when you drink the milk of a Slaughter House Milk Cow.

We are Prasadarians

As he drives off into the sunset in his car fueled by the blood of an unprotected mother Earth.

Like Theist, that won't work on me. Sorry.

I have got myself to the point of generating more electricity than i need, by water power, coming down from the Protected Cows Paddock. Now i sell it to the neighbors, and i am buying a car, that will use that electricity only that i generate myself. Untill then giddy up Bharat, giddy up Bali!

What kind of car do you drive?

Prabhupada's Cows under our care lived till about 20 on average. We learned over the years, that they could give milk for their entire life time from one calf birth.

Slaughter House Cows live on average only 3.7 years.

By the way, i joined in 1976, and we worked very very hard to provide Srila Prabhupada, Protected Cows Milk wearever he went. He did want that as best, and understood that in the emergency point of not having enough Cow Protection Temples as Satelites around the Cities that offering Milk from Slaughter house cows wouuld have to be, until the emergency was over, and we would have enough devotees Protecting Cows to feed all devotees no matter where they were.

I read through this for a while and saw the "Prabhupada Flags" a little.

But really, the only ones who can really wave Prabhupada's/Krishna's flags are the ones who understand that Prabhupada's Movement was heading in a certain way............. Towards City Temples with Satelite Cow Protection Temples where the lifestyle is "Vrndavana Life" providing Non-Violent Cow's Milk.

Prabhupada did say when the demons were more and more taking over his movement ("sinister movement") with the ("poisonous tree") gaining more and more control, that he (Prabhupada) had not finished his Mission, and said that the still 50% left undone was Cow Protection (Varnashrama is centered around Go-Raksha)

We think that the part left undone is now the %100 left undone, because ultimately Prabhupada did say that the city life was hellish life, and that the Vrndavana life was the one that we (Krishna Bhaktas/Prabhupada Bhaktas) live.

Theist you have done well, but like the Poisonous Tree and the Sinister Movement people, who took root in late 1977 within Iskcon, they will never listen to Srila Prabhupada, and how he said "I think it will CURE me" to take Milk ride in Bullock Cart and go to Govardhana Hill on Govardhana Hill Day. Which to us who believe in the Lord GOvinda and Prabhupada we trust, is a sure sign that the CURE for all ills of this world what to speak of Iskcon Body of Prabhupada, is to drink Protected Cows Milk and ride to the temple in Bullock Cart not buses cars and trucks.

Thanks again Theist, you are agitating the minds of the followers of the Sinister Cult, who love the Poisonous Tree. But sometimes i think it a waste of time, better to just Protect the Cow as Krishna/Prabhupada Instructs, at home away from those naysayers, who love the blood of the Unprotected Cow.

I don't know enough about cow behavior to say one way or another. Bhaktachris no doubt would know.

Also, if you just let a calf drink as much as they wanted, they’d get sick.

 

Hahahhahhahah, nice theist that you know me so well!

Yes, actualy in some circumstances it happens. I have seen it happen to calves that were recently weened off of Mom's milk, and i have also seen full grown Cows get sick from over doing it too. They can over flow their first stomach, and then they get the shivers and pee uncontrollably, they can even get blood in the urine.

Nice Theist, thanks!

Yes Prabhupada and Lord Sri Krsna both have given us the duty of Protecting our Mother Cow, it MUST be done. Or become a Vegan. I agree with Yofu on that. Srila Prabhupada pointed out that actually anywhere you can protect a cow. We showed some how to do it on just a small spot in a city even!

There is always the negative excuse for not doing so, "there will be too many calfs and we will be over loaded with animals" but even that we have showed to be not true. A Mother Cow, will give milk for her lifetime from the birth of only one calf, if Mom is Loved, Cared for and seen as good as the Deity. That too we have now proof of from our Cow Protection Programs since 1977 when we started. http://protectacow.typepad.com/

Actually we even think that all the problems in Srila Prabhupada's Iskcon come from the followers and leaders especially not recognizing the fact that Prabhupada wanted us to focus on Cow Protection as the Cure.

Some say that we need to have so many Gurus for "guru reform" and others say that we need no more gurus, just more ritviks and to follow the so called final order.

But we understand that Prabhupada's Final Order was the same as his CONTINUING ORDER!!!!!!!!! which in the "end" was "Let me go on Parikrama to Govardhana Hill on Bullock Cart drinking Milk along the way" =COW PROTECTION!

Some say that we need to now so many years later (30) take him on the Bullock Cart, but that is just missing his continuing instructions, which is to perform Cow Protection. Lord Sri Krsna did so too. Even Lord Sri Krsna said to stop the rituals and just worship the Land and the Cow!

Tamal Krsna: But this idea… According to him [the kaviraja]… I mean obviously we’re all conditioned, and I mean he’s not claiming not to be a conditioned soul either, but according to him, going on this bullock cart is suicide. He said that within an hour or two hours, the bouncing and jumbling of the bullock cart will cause a heart attack…

Prabhupada: But I think I shall be cured [by traveling on the bullock cart in the fresh air and sun]

Tamal Krsna: Prabhupada says he thinks he will be cured by the parikrama.

Hamsadutta: Under the circumstances we have to consider whether Prabhupada’s opinion is more or less than the kaviraja’s, is what it comes down to. If Prabhupada says that by going on parikrama he feels he’ll be cured, then how can we continue to place arguments against him?

 

Jadurani :namaste: Shyamarani book here

Respected brothers and sisters,

Dandavat Pranams, Jai Sri Sri Guru and Gauranga!

I’m in a midst of writing a book of my experiences with Srila Prabhupada. It will take some time for the actual book to be published. Some editing, proof reading and other work is still required. In the meantime, I am respectfully submitting to you the almost final version. It has all the information the final book will have, but it has some typos here and there. Please excuse me for whatever mistakes are there. In this way you can start reading it now if you like.

My so many thanks to the devotees who have helped ready this publication, especially to Madhurika devi dasi, Srimati Premavati devi dasi, Srimati Radha-Kanta devi dasi and her husband Sriman Mayapur das adhikari and Sriman Satyaraja das adhikari.

Your aspiring servant,

Jadurani dasi

PREFACE

Guru Maharaja, Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is an eternal associate of Sri Sri Radha and Krsna, an uttama-maha bhagavat devotee. In order to preach Krsna consciousness in this world, he played the role of a madhyama-adhikari devotee, who makes four distinctions in his dealings with others. He shows prema, love, for Bhagavan, he shows friendship in three ways to those devotees who are higher than him, those equal to him, and those less advanced than him; he shows mercy to those just approaching Krsna consciousness, and he neglects those who are against Krsna or His devotees. I was an example of a tiny jiva to whom he showed mercy, and the following is a summary of my experiences with him.

Leading To The First Meeting

It was a Friday, the last day of the work-week in early September, 1966. My lunch break was nearing its end as I hurried past New York’s grand library on 5th Avenue and 42nd Street. Working a summer job as a secretary-clerk at a downtown New York office to help pay my college expenses this next semester, I was now part of the large crowd swarming across the metropolis...........................................................

Rtvik is gradually wining in ISKCON circles. Rtvik is a type of guru. One of a slightly lesser status who connects one to the principle acarya.

Rtvik is just for those who think that Prabhupada is no longer with us, also so called "living rubber stamped gurus"

Oh! Prabhupada is here, gotta get back to him

Nice dave!

Take a look at this nice FREE! Video of Srila Prabhupada too!

As far as the term "ritvik" is concerned, Srila Prabhupada personally used the term several times.

He also sent letters to some of his senior men instructing to continue to be "ritvik" and develop their preaching in that way.

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I may be a crack pot, but i certainly know that tamal is not and never was one to trust.

Show me any where that Prabhupada uses the word "ritvik" please, i don't believe it.

GBC never authorized to terminate the ritvik system, is the thread title, and i see this thread has 3 pages of which i have only read the last post.

But actually the GBC did terminate the ritvik system on July 9th 1977, when tamal kookna wrote a letter, and forged Prabhupada's signature on it, stating that from then on, only 11 would do the work. He used the word ritvik, so in a sense, he/GBC did not terminate it, but if you judge a thing by its result, the system of local mean senior man doing, was ended then. After that letter, you could not be given your spiritual name, and become a disciple of Prabhupada. NO! After that letter you became a disciple of one of the so called ritviks, which is ofcourse a word from tamal. There may be similar words in the original books, but no word "ritvik" or rttvik".

The followers of tamal like to say that the letter written by tamal is the "final order" or the authorization for "ritviks" but actually it was the tool used to end the system that Prabhupada had in place for some time before. Namely that there was the senior man locally around, who was trustworthy, and usually voted in, by the local devotees, who would recommend and initiate on behalf of our Master Srila Prabhupada.

Sanatorium=Meaning #2: pejorative terms for an insane asylum

 

pejorative=Tending to make or become worse.

Disparaging; belittling.

n.

A disparaging or belittling word or expression.

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Warning: The following guru words are rated X, not for children to hear/read

novel “Sanatorium” by Satsvarupa das Goswami Gita Nagari Press, 2005 Page 360, 361, 420................................

SDG>"Bold as she was, she placed his hands on her breasts. She then kissed him and placed her tongue in his mouth. His tongue also entered hers. She embreaced him and by now he had a half erection...................... Braja dasa sat down and calmed his genitals............... He did'nt want to stick his genital into some well formed beauty star. He wanted Sandy. And he had heard from a Godbrother who worked as a physical therapist that a man could even have sexual intercourse with a parapllegic.................. I'ts not just a sticking in of a penis into a vagina. It's the being together in the touching and the embracing that lead up to the mechanics and the orgasm"

SDG>"Most of all I acknowledge my spiritual master, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada................. I pray that Sanatorium pleases him and that he blesses it to be widely read around the globe." Sanatorium by Satsvarupa das Goswami Gita Nagari Press, 2005 Acknowledgements

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with Dr. John Mize

by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

June 23, 1975, Los Angeles

The same desire, same propensity, can be

utilized for serving Kṛṣṇa. Just like we are writing books, keeping

night, whole night. So for an old man like me, it is tedious. But we

are doing for Kṛṣṇa. So similarly, another author may be writing

whole night for some sex literature. So the labor for producing a sex

literature and the labor for producing a Bhāgavata is the same. It

may be same ambition that “Let me become a big author. My name

will be very popular.” But one thing is being done for Kṛṣṇa; one

thing is being done for sense gratification. So that propensity of

becoming a reputed author or the labor, this, same, but it is being

utilized for different purposes. <!--QuoteEnd-->

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Room Conversation

by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

January 8, 1977, Bombay

Prabhupāda: Not guru finds you. You have to find out guru. Guru is

there. Guru is there. But if you want to be cheated, then you find out.

And if you want to be cheated, the cheaters will… Guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpa.

If you are actually serious to serve Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, then Kṛṣṇa will

give you: “Here is guru.” Guru is there. Guru is there, but unless you

are actually serious, you cannot get real guru. If you want to be

cheated or if you are a cheater, then you’ll get a cheater guru.<!--QuoteEnd-->

Agreed, Mahaksadasa Prabhu!

The ritviks (followers of tamal) also say that the letter of tamal does not say that the 11 would be "guru" but just says they will be rittik.

But i always point out that Prabhupada's idea of something done, is to....

"judge a thing by it's result" and we all know what the result of the letter written by tamal.

So i agree whole heartedly with you, the letter written by tamal worked perfectly for what he wanted.

Tamal wanted to change the system being used for years to this date of tamal's letter. Many devotees, most house holders would recommend the disciple to be Prabhupada's and then they also would carry out the Sacrifice. When tamal wrote this letter, he wanted to get his as well as those who would cooperate on a letter that looked bonafide (just see the ritviks still think it is, and still call it their 'position paper').

It worked perfect, and now we have what we have. Exactly like the Gaudiya Matha. With the addition of a splinter group who is against the other, but is just the same. IRM/Iskcon

I joined the International Society of Krishna Consciousness.

You can tell when you are a member, cuz' you will see people protecting cows.

So when Srila Prabhupada spoke the word "ritvik" on May 28th 1977 in reference to initiations "when you are no longer with us"; or when he personally signed the July 9th letter which mentioned the word "rittik"; or when he spoke the word "ritvik" in conversations after July 9th; or when he used the word "ritvik" and its derivations more than 30 times in the Srimad-Bhagavatam; you think he was talking JUNK?

 

May the Lord have mercy on your soul.

Everyone agrees that the tapes heard of the May28th date were severely doctored and spliced as well as diced=useless. Plus TAMAL KRISHNA was the one who said "ritvik" not Prabhupada.

And he said that tamal's word would be used only when "you (Prabhupada) would no longer be with us", but WE followers of PRABHUPADA know that there will never be a time when "he is no longer with us". So when that time comes that Prabhupada will no longer be with us, THEN and only THEN will we need tamal's word.

July9th letter is a forgery, just look at the signature, =not Prabhupada's. You have accepted a forgery, you were fooled.

http://protectacow.typepad.com/goshalla/2005/01/a_c_bhaktivedan.html

I do not remember anytime where he spoke of tamal's word after July 9th, i only remember him asking for and not getting his FINAL WISH, to be taken on BULLOCK CART TO GOVARDHANA HILL ON GOVARDHANA PUJA DAY. (He said that would CURE him) Are you siding with tamal? Who did not allow him to be CURED?

http://protectacow.typepad.com/goshalla/2005/01/a_c_bhaktivedan.html

As far as the derivations of tamals word, there might be, but no mention that we will need a faction of criminals and homosexuals and druggies to be our derivations, at the time which will never come. (at that time when you will no longer be with us)

Tamal is dead, Prabhupada is still with US, is Prabhupada still with you? Why do you need the words of tamal?

http://protectacow.typepad.com/goshalla/2005/01/a_c_bhaktivedan.html

Look for the LIFESTYLE OF A HARE KRISHNA DEVOTEE, AS PRABHUPADA INSTRUCTED......... Vrndavan life, Simple Living/High Thinking, Cow Protection, that is the FINAL ORDER AND CURE. Not something spoken by tamal!

http://protectacow.typepad.com/goshalla/2005/01/a_c_bhaktivedan.html

Prabhupada: I wish that you GBC manage very nicely and consider I am dead and LET ME TRAVEL TO ALL THE TIRTHASTHANA. Without any responsibility. If I become recovered from this malady I shall come back and then I shall die in, what is it when the dead body is there, let them bring to Mayapura and Vrndavana. I am thinking in this way. Bring little medicine and no medicine, little milk, and travel one place to another and if there is death, what is the lamentation? My age is ripe. IN THE OPEN AIR AND BULLOCK CART or during daytime, eh? Or you can say semi-suicide, although living what consider me dead for the time. You manage and nowadays there is in India ample sunshine.

 

Prabhupada: BUT I THINK I SHALL BE CURED.

 

http://protectacow.typepad.com/goshalla/2005/01/a_c_bhaktivedan.html

To me, the July 9 letter is a fraud. It is ludicrous that those who love this memo as if it were scripture cannot understand that their avowed number one enemy, (not necessarily mine) Tamal Krsna Goswami, is the author. I fell I must take a shower when I read this letter that demands that I respect and honor those named on the list, most of whom clearly showed their true nature prior to 11-14-77. In the past, I have called this document a forgery, citing direct evidence I saw with my own eyes, a rubber stamp of Srila Prabhupada's signature. (Important note: The devotee who had this item honored it as a remnant of Srila Prabhupada, not possessed as a tool of deception. But I saw it in 1974, and events since that time prove that mass deception occurred. Whoever reads this article must decide for themselves.) I do not now believe that forgeries exist, but what I do believe, which is verifiable by many devotees who witnessed Vrndavan in 1977, is worse than forgery.

 

 

 

I believe the last time I saw Srila Prabhupada (during his physical presence) was in the fall of 1976. He was very frail, and my only hope was that the so-called leaders would finally allow Him to rest and retire, something He desired since creating the GBC in 1970. This was not to be. He was hassled and harangued by those whose only thoughts were of their positions after his death. When I think of his final pastimes, I see the picture in 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam, where the offspring are impatiently looking at their watches, only concerned with their inheritance. I remote view leaders, shoving paper after paper in front of him, demanding signatures, demanding his attendance at their bickering sessions (May 28), etc. Planning, plotting, coercing, cajoling! His requests (like parikrama, circumambulating Govardhana Hill, etc.) were rejected and denied.

 

 

 

 

Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

Thank you so much MahksadasaPrabhu

I am with you %100, please also include words like "ritvik" in your junk pile, of which after you hear, one must take bath too.

I think that Iskcon should have listened to Prabhupada's description of the Gaudiya Matha, instead of doing the exact same things, and worse. Also any bogus movement that uses the 11 criminals on that letter should be considered the same.

I have come to the conclusion that you can tell if the movement is bonafide or not, simply by if they protect the planets cows, or if they protect "sacred cows"

sacred cow

A person or thing immune to criticism or questioning, as in The rules governing the press conference have become a sacred cow in this administration. This term alludes to the honored status of cows in Hinduism, where they are a symbol of God's generosity to humankind. It has been used figuratively since about 1900.

 

Yeah i saw that too, but i read down further, and saw someone local in alachua responded, pointing out that this person has nothing to do with Hare Krishna.

I looked into it, and found that he is a disciple of Yogananda.

No website, but they have Prabhupada's Simple Living/High Thinking program. Central VT