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  1. I hope they will let them continue with raam use (I love the name! :-) ...and it is more useful than you think. If you issue your own money you can control it's value and profit from it's fluctuations. Here in US the Federal Reserve Bank (a private organization, mind you) makes at least 10 cents on every dollar they put in circulation.


  2. Yes prabhu, it was a nice conversation and I thank you for it. Honest and dignified exchange of ideas between devotees is very important. My understanding is limited, but grows through such sincere discussions. Nobody should be afraid to express their doubts or understanding, even when matters are controversial and emotionally charged. We all miss Srila Prabhupada and care deeply about the future of his mission... Hare Krishna!


  3. Yes prabhu, it was a nice conversation and I thank you for it. Honest and dignified exchange of ideas between devotees is very important. My understanding is limited, but grows through such sincere discussions. Nobody should be afraid to express their doubts or understanding, even when matters are controversial and emotionally charged. We all miss Srila Prabhupada and care deeply about the future of his mission... Hare Krishna!


  4. I must have missed something but in all of these quotes there is no mention of the ritvik system (and only a few are quotes from SP books). So this is simply your conjecture, interpolation or speculation that he is talking about ritvik system in these quotes. And that is fine by me: you used your intelligence to understand SP instructions and came up with ritvik system. Yet others - studying the same instructions - have a different oppinion. Just learn to respect that...


  5. I must have missed something but in all of these quotes there is no mention of the ritvik system (and only a few are quotes from SP books). So this is simply your conjecture, interpolation or speculation that he is talking about ritvik system in these quotes. And that is fine by me: you used your intelligence to understand SP instructions and came up with ritvik system. Yet others - studying the same instructions - have a different oppinion. Just learn to respect that...


  6. Prabhu, there are many good devotees out there to take diksa from, but if some desire ritvik initiation - it is their choice...

    A real guru always feels that he is doing things on behalf of his spiritual master. No need to invent a new system. All preaching is essentially local. Just make sure our tradition is alive in the hearts and minds of all who preach and accept disciples in our temples... Hare Krishna!


  7. Prabhu, there are many good devotees out there to take diksa from, but if some desire ritvik initiation - it is their choice...

    A real guru always feels that he is doing things on behalf of his spiritual master. No need to invent a new system. All preaching is essentially local. Just make sure our tradition is alive in the hearts and minds of all who preach and accept disciples in our temples... Hare Krishna!


  8. More on the acceptance between a guru and disciple:

    Acceptance is, by definition of our tradition, a process where BOTH guru and disciple accept each other in order to complete the link to the parampara. That is the shastric proces. Do not contaminate our tradition with such un-Vedic concepts as "no need for a living guru to agree to accept you into parampara".

    Each acharya in our sampradaya MUST be viewed in the context of our tradition. That is part of our check and balance system, preventing overzealous disciples from taking words of their guru and inventing their own tradition

    You have to consider what is the rule first. Vedas allow all kinds of exceptions to the general rules provided that there is a very good reason for it. Guru/disciple relationship is both instructional and mystical (and that includes personal sentiment, often carried from birth to birth) but the rule is clearly that of physical acceptance on BOTH sides.


  9. You are making a totaly bogus claim, dressing it up with out of context quotes.

    Acceptance is, by definition of our tradition, a process where BOTH guru and disciple accept each other in order to complete the link to the parampara. That is the shastric proces. Do not contaminate our tradition with such un-Vedic concepts. Each acharya in our sampradaya MUST be viewed in the context of our tradition. That is part of our check and balance system, preventing overzealous disciples from taking words of their guru and inventing their own tradition.


  10. You are making a totaly bogus claim, dressing it up with out of context quotes.

    Acceptance is, by definition of our tradition, a process where BOTH guru and disciple accept each other in order to complete the link to the parampara. That is the shastric proces. Do not contaminate our tradition with such un-Vedic concepts. Each acharya in our sampradaya MUST be viewed in the context of our tradition. That is part of our check and balance system, preventing overzealous disciples from taking words of their guru and inventing their own tradition.


  11. Alpa-medhasa:..."in traditional (ideal) Vedic society, one who is trained up as a brahmin, and retains that qualification, can become a guru. The brahmins are the spiritual masters of society. In our pancharaatra tradition, we allow individuals to become brahmins even if they are not born as seminal brahmins. But in any case, the point is that as long as the individual is trained up as a brahmin, has studied the scriptures, and has at least sad-aachaara level of behavior, then he can become a spiritual master. Of course, as far as we are concerned, the brahmin should also be a devotee of Lord Krishna, and one who knows our Gaudiya Vaishnava conclusions as Srila Prabhupada taught them."

     

    Most of the problems in our devotee society can be traced to abandoning or disregarding the Vedic standards.

     

     

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