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  1. Oops. My apologies to Jndas. From Krishna comes all knowledge, forgetfullness and it seems temporairy blindness too. (Sure, blame it on Krishna now). I must've been attached to my posting, now I am duly humbled.
  2. Jayradhe; last night I posted a concilatory (make-ing up after 'quarelling) post to you, which was deleted. Jndas; I don't get it. My post was in praise of 'the good times' of the early Iskcon days, with only a passing comment of the 'stuff' that ALMOST ruined the movement. Can't you at least give a reason why my post was deleted?
  3. Jayaradhe; vancha kalpa and all that, okay? Yes, the good old days that really were. The c-r-a-p that pulled It all down. Or so it seemed. I submitted my condensed story for a contest for a local/international (CHUM of Much and Much More Music, BRAVO, the Originals, etc) television station and film company, and we applicants were supposed to hear by the end of May which stories would be selected for film production. When I phoned on May 31st the girl on the phone said they were still deciding. I believe in truth that Krishna is the One controllng the scene when it's his story that is at stake. My story is part of it, but it can't be told unless and until the ones who were there, did that, can have their say. Speaking of someone with a lot to say, how is the (retired?)High Priestess? We quarelled, e-mail addresses were deleted, give my vancha kalpas to her too. [This message has been edited by Bhaktavasya (edited 06-16-2002).]
  4. Another note on intelligence. I can't remember whether it was in a purport or an actual verse, but Prabhupad defined intelligence as the ability to distinguish between spirit and matter. So anyone who identifies with the body as the self would be less intelligent. At a philosopy cafe that I go to the topic two weeks ago was intelligence. The discussion covered the different types of intelligence. For example emotional intelligence and what is called common sense is a kind of intelligence that has been overlooked by even great philosophers since the time of Plato, and just recently has been figured into the intelligence quota. I'm reminded of the story of the boatman, the scientist, the movie star and the rich man. It was re-enacted as a play in some temples. As the story goes, the scientist, movie star and rich man hired a boat man to ferry them across the river. The passengers were bragging about their worldy accomplishments, always finishing thier self-congratulatory comments with "Did you know that, boatman?" and "have you ever done that, boatman?" Always the boatman would reply "No", he didn't know, never experienced. The boat springs a leak and everyone but the boatman panics. Turns out the boatman was the only one who knew how to swim!
  5. Sorry, the date would have had to to have bben before November of 1977. The reason the date 1978 stuck out in my mind is that I was in a temple in South Africa at the time when the Canyaka quotes being refuted most vigorously by some grhastas. As I said previously Canyaka's words as good as scripture only subsided for a while. There are still some 'hangers-on-ers' who left Iskcon years ago yet still like to use those quotes as a way to dismiss and insult women. As could be expected, it ALWAYS turns people of who are new to Krishna Conscious philosophy, especially women.
  6. I never had access Srila Prabhupad's corresponence to various disciples, and it just may have been during a personal darshan in India at the time. I do remember that it was at the height of the 'women are maya' fever than was dominating most classes and it must have had some validity because it was begudging accepted when the famous dismissal of Canyaka as a 'bonefide source' was issued. Maybe Jaya Radhe had some recollection of it, whether it was in a letter or 'latest news' after a Mayapur festival. The date was approximately 1978.
  7. There was a time during the mid-70's in Iskcon when the men (generally) were quoting that Canakya Pandit saying until a woman was so disturbed by it she asked Srila Prabhupad about it and he said that Canakya wasn't a devotee. That sort of shut the guys up..for a while.
  8. Ram; Your reply connects nicely with the 'Vaisnava disputes' thread. Although you are both correct, Sha is 'more correct' because a simple mantra prayer to Radha was the request. Who here could imagine Radha without Krishna, even if She sometimes SEEMS to be alone! [This message has been edited by jndas (edited 06-11-2002).]
  9. This is the best web-site for explaining the meaning of kriya yoga. http://www.kriya-yoga.com/what_is.htm
  10. I haven't got scriptural reference, but I believe it is in Nectar of Devotion that says in madhurya rasa all other rasas are contained. In other words, when a devotee is in love with Krishna as lover and beloved there are emotions of wanting to protect the Lord, that Krishna is one's best friend, and eternal servitude. True?
  11. Parmamahamsa Yogananda wrote a translation and commentary on Bhagavad Gita which he finished in 1932. He died in 1952 and the work was published in 1995 as 'God Talks with Arjuna The Bhagavad Gita Royal Science of God-realization by the Self -Realization Fellowship, which was originally founded in 1920. He quotes extensively from the teaching of Jesus in his purports and accepts him as a divine avatar. He wrote several other books besides the well-know 'Autobiography of a Yogi and his lectures and talks have been published under such titles as 'Man's Eternal Quest, The Divine Romance, Wine of the Mystic (The Rubaiyat of Omar Kayyam-A spiritual interpretation), Whispers from Eternity, The Science of Religion, How You Can Talk With God, Metaphysical Meditations ( a compilation of over 300 mediations and prayers). Definetly not an impersonalist and (in my opinion) in the Bhakti line.
  12. Darn, the thread was closed just when I wanted to ask Raga a very important question; What if my external body is female and my guru has revealed my form as a gopa? Is there a form I can fill out to order my desired dress and turban decorations? Sorry, kind moderator. Please refrain from discipling me as one should not repress her nature, which in my case is fun-loving. ***********************
  13. BVI; what ARE your views on sex in the spiritual world? [This message has been edited by Bhaktavasya (edited 05-26-2002).]
  14. Twenty years ago (give or take a year) Siddhaswarupananda & the Hari Bol society of devotees seemed more cutting edge, ahead of the times, the recorded album where Siddha sang songs of Radha's love for Krishna. He was a rebel, a man of mystery, and now this..?
  15. A devotee in Gaura lila, Sivananda Sena, had so much affection for a dog that he refused to go back to Godhead unless the dog went with him. According to the story, (and my memory) Sri Chaitanya granted the benediction/assurance that the dog could go back to the spiritual world with Sivananda.
  16. A wonderful post, Sha. It reminds me of a passage in the Chaitanya Charitamrita that describes the Lord's beauty and qualities as always increasing, that even Krishna himself cannot fathom the depth and magnitude of his own glories as they are without limit.
  17. No sarcasm implied. I really do admire Raga's patience.
  18. Ram; if this thread was a theatre play, the audience would be laughing out loud right now. Raga has shown *infinite* patience in this scene.
  19. Yes, Pratyatosh was the one who originally contacted the lawyers involved in the current gurukula lawsuit, and connected them with the former students, now plantiffs. I also am perplexed by Pratyatosha's pro-gurukula stance now, as (and I may also be mistaken here)I seem to recall that his own children or at least his son was abused and is part of the lawsuit.
  20. To say that Janava devi is the very self of Nityananda is not the same as being the direct incarnation. Nityananda is Balarama in Krishna lila and Janava is his eternal consort, Revati. Maybe someone else has information to the contrary, but I have never heard of Nityananda/Balarama appearing as a gopi. Lord Balarama once performed the rasa dance to pacify the gopis in Krishna's absence and his relationship, of course, with Krishna is as his brother and direct expansion.
  21. Thankyou, Raga. "Whose heart will not break upon hearing of these pastimes?" Jaya Mother Janava! Jaya Revati-Balarama!
  22. Ram; from your understanding of the books you mentioned in the beginning thread, could you kindly give a brief definition of the word 'niyamas'. A person who has studied Bhagavad Gita does not have to have a copy with her/him to be able to define (for example) mantra as mind-releasing. Mantra is so much more.. the Name incarnating on our tongues. Still, the basic definition is essential in putting the discussion into perspective. Everytime the word 'niyama' comes up, there's a big questions mark, at least in my mind' and probably in the minds of many others. Definition please! I [This message has been edited by Bhaktavasya (edited 05-18-2002).]
  23. I can't say what other initiated disciples felt like 30 years ago because I'm not Paramatma. I never thought of myself as a gopi or a queen of Dwarka; if anything I pined to be a cowherd boy when I 'got back to Godhead'. Marriage of the soul to God meant to me spiritual union, bhakti yoga. Very simple way of thinking, not complex at all.
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