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  1.  

    repeat my point

     

     

    but i want to say that god is only impersonal brahman according to shakt and shaiv texts EXAMPLE:

    shivling is attributeless and nirguna form of god as written in shiva puraan.

    he is known as shiv/sadahshiv and is not rudradev

    rudra dev is only a part of him as according to the puraan

     

    even devi bhagwat says about god being formless atrribute less they just call her shakti AND MAA

    kali is a small form of that shakti just like lakshmi

     

    and vaishnav philosophy says that krishna is basis of that brahman aint i right?

     

     

    krishna is not subservient to that brahman

    so their is a big difference

    Is shiva linga attributeless? The name indicates attributes.

  2. "It is beyond imagination how much Radha Krishn have Graced us. They descended only 5,227 years ago. They revealed such loving leelas that fascinated even God Shiv and Goddess Parvati and Maha Lakchmi. All of this They did only for us so that the eternally miserable souls could also receive the same Bliss of maharas which is beyond the reach of Brahma and which is earnestly desired by God Shiv. But see the people of this world whose kaliyug-affected minds still criticize and allegorize the leelas of Krishn. You must know that such doings are extreme transgressions, and as such, a lover of Sanatan Dharm should discard such diabolical publications, which, even in the least, criticize, allegorize and degrade the absolute Divinity of Bhagwan Ram and Sita or Radha and Krishn and Their Divine leelas, or dispute the Divine eternity of the Vedas, Upnishads and the Puranas, and the eternal Sages and Saints. You should remember that the Divine dignity of Bhagwan Ram11pt.flower.gif11pt.flower.gif and Krishn and Their loving leelas are the soul of Sanatan Dharm."
    If I may ask...Where are you quoting this from?

  3. The Bhagavatam and Bhagavad Gita are both supportive of each other. The Bhagavad Gita and the Vishvarupa Lila experienced by Arjuna indicate that while no one can claim one as being more supreme than the other (they are contained within each other) the beautiful human-like form is more relishable by Bhagavan's devotees. The Vishvarupa form is appreciated along with the element of awe and fear, but is encouraging because of It's enlightening features of pure consciousness. Krsna's manush rupa is praised by Krsna, Himself as very rare. Arjuna realized how he had been intimate with the Person who accommodates Vishvarupa within Him. He felt that he must have committed some offense to such a powerful Person. Krsna revealed that He likes this intimate interaction with Arjuna, because Arjuna is His dear devotee.

    So you are right in that one may be subjectively attracted to one form over another, but, objectively, Krsna's manush rupa is more intimate and He actually enjoys the intimacy of His devotees through this form. This is the gist of the Bhagavatam, and is pointed towards in the Gita. Rasa lila is Krsna's pleasure. The devotees who approach Him in such an intimate way cause Krsna's Heart to melt. He becomes their servant and drives their chariot or massages their feet, out of love for them, because of their love for Him.

     

    shraddhavan bhajate yo mam, sa me yuktatamo matah

     

    Also Chapter 7 is indicative of this.


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    thnks,smiley.

     

     

    i don't get the relation,narasingh.

     

    The relation is; there are different manifestations of the supreme. When one is commenting on antaranga and bahiranga, they are speaking of shakti. Para Shakti has manifestations of different gradations. In much the same way, Bhagavan is also Brahman and Paramatma. Bhagavan is Bhagavan though. Brahman is non-dual (sat), Paramatma is dual (chit), Bhagavan is ananda.


  5. Keep reading a little further in the Bhagavad Gita and you will find the entrance to the Bhagavatam. When Arjuna was perplexed and discouraged by seeing the Vishvarupa form, he was subsequently shown the four-armed form of Bhagavan, and lastly the two-armed form which is also deemed Supreme, albeit most accessible and endearing.

    This two armed is the all-attractive form.

    I just posted this elsewhere but it seems to fit here better.

    Sat (existence) is there with or without consciousness of itself. Chit (consciousness) is there with or without bliss, but presupposes sat. Ananda (bliss) is all-encompassing and is the most inclusive form of existence. Krsna's two-armed form is the form of ananda.

     

    The Bhagavatam suggests:

    vadanti tat tattva-vidas

    tattvaḿ yaj jñānam advayam

    brahmeti paramātmeti

    bhagavān iti śabdyate

     

     

    Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān.


  6. ranjeetmore,

    Durgadevi must be defined first.

     

    There is a saying...

    Existence (sat) can be had without being conscious (chit) of it, but if something was conscious (chit) it automatically assumes existence. Consciousness (chit) can be had without Bliss (ananda) but if there is bliss (ananda) then there is an automatic assumption of all three... sat, chit, and ananda.


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    i was just wondering exactly how much relevence does truthfulness carry in the course of one's spiritual sadhana . ancient texts have glorified truthfulness as the highest virtue . we have the legends of people like yudishtira and raja harishchandra etc . but in todays context is it really that easy ?

     

    some people are inclined to belief that any negative act , when done for god conciousness or propagating his divine name does'nt amount to lie or misdeed . this is so because the ultimate motive was good . but such a belief raises more problems than it solves . for we find people turning inclined to commit some small misdeeds and pass it off in name of god .

     

    for example if one preaches false glories of his faith just to turn someone god conscious , wouldnt that amount to falsehood ?

     

    and is falsehood really a big obstacle in progressing spiritually ?

     

     

    what do you think ?

    There are two types of falsehoods. One knowingly done and another unknowingly done. If one's faith inspires them to speak of it in a certain way, how can we determine if it is false. Faith is certainly subjective and discussion of the validity or lack of validity of one's subjective experience will only bring about argument. Lying serves destabilize faith. The economic state of the world is a good indication of what happens when lies are spoken instead of truths. People have no faith in markets, and markets are losing value hand over fist. Truth stabilizes faith and faith is fundamentally what this world runs on. My two cents :)

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    thats better

     

     

     

    on second thought you shall find most deities having two class of devotees . the first group consists of pure devotees who wants para-bhakti and nothing else , while the second group misinterprets and misuses the faith . just like some tantrics who devote their entire life to learn occult practices instead of brahmagyan . similarly one group of vaishnavas strive for prema bhakti while the corrupted ones pass off sahajiya sense gratification in name of krishna . obviously in this situation krishna is not to blame , is he ?!!!

     

     

     

    great !!

     

     

     

    really nice . this is what is called as ishta nishta -- dedication to ones own deity with full respect for that of others .

     

    ramakrishna had a parable for this......

     

    " when a newly married wife comes to stay in a big joint family she attends to the needs of all her family members including father in law , mother in law , husband's brother etc . she does it flawlessly and with equal love . but at the end of the day when she goes back to her room where her own beloved is waiting she hands over to him the choicest paan leaves that she has specially prepared for him.

     

    similarly we should respect all but love only our ishta . "


  9.  

    Hi, you guys are doing an amazing job here.

    I was hoping you could translate ALEX.

    pronounced...

    A as in At

    E as in Let

     

    Thanks

    Knights, you have found the "Achille's Heel" in the phonetics of Devanagari when trying to equate it with English. Not every English sound is equitable. A in At will practically be identical with E in Let. Good luck with that :)

     

    I would write it like this...

     

    ऐलिक्स or ऐलेक्स giving preference to the former.

     


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    actually i meant that there might have been a misinterpretation of the original text . for example some texts might have been overlooked or omitted that have twisted its meaning .

     

    i know who raya ramananda was and never intended to show any disrespect for such a high parshad of mahaprabhu .....

    The insinuation of Raya Ramananda must be taken along with the presumption that Sri Krsna is Divinity. His senses are divine. He is the Divine Enjoyer. His actions are Divine. In logic, a sense enjoyer can be seen as the consumer, objects of the senses are consumables. Krsna is the Ultimate Consumer of the sacrifice of Love, the greatest sense enjoyer.

     

    The words of Raya Ramananda as transcribed by Kaviraj Krsna Das are:

    raya kahe, -- krishna haya 'dhira-lalita'

    nirantara kama-krida -- yanhara carita


  11. The Vishwarupa is simply a representation of kala (time), the ultimate devourer/destroyer of men. (The Bhagavatam actually views the form as illusory.) Therefore when Arjuna, after seeing that terrible form asked the Lord what it meant, He replied, "I am Time, the Destroyer ..." However Sri Vishnu never requested people to make morbid sacrifices, going to great lengths to explain in Bhagavad Gita the differences between sacrifices made under the influence of the different gunas. Those who due to ignorance make morbid sacrifices, do so under the influence of tamas guna. Such sacrifices are never recommended. Unlike the evolving morals of Theists, Sri Vishnu does not change. Therefore we are left with the conclusion that any deities who requested morbid sacrifices are not Him - even though He hears the prayers of all. If a child in distress calls for his father but his father is not, any caring adult may answer that call. This does not mean that that adult is the actual parent - it is simply an act of compassion.
    I never meant it as Vishnu's suggestion to make morbid offerings, only that Vishnu's aspect as Vishwarup is in the constant process of consuming, whether items are offered directly or indirectly. It happens to be a morbid vision, yet true. This world of illusion and exploitation consists of the basis of jivo jivasya jivanam (S.B. 1.13.37). There is no existence here without the exploitation of other souls. Hence, time is constantly consuming identifications. It is the yogi who'se heart is full of compassion that looks for a change of perspective in order to see the hand of God behind all existence.

  12.  

    Narasingh,

    I really appreciate the time and efforts of you and everyone else who has contributed to this thread -

    even those who I do not agree with. We will never completely agree on all of these issues but I do

    respect your scholarly presentation and realize that your views are an important part of our Dharma.

    I look forward to reading your blog or website.

    Namaste
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