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  1. I agree you are more blessed than me if you naturally feel the presence of Shiva.
  2. Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(102, 102, 102); padding-left: 3ex; padding-right: 3ex;" bgcolor="#e0e0e0"> Originally Posted by RamanaDasi Sarva Gattah, according to your ideas, the personal associates of Sri Krishna can fall into a dream and experience material life? </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote --> Doesn't this mean your Guru may fall down anytime. Doesn't this mean Prabhupada can fall into illusion again and again?
  3. Sarva Gatah, according to your ideas, the personal associates of Sri Krishna can fall into a dream and experience material life again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again This is what your Iskcon philosophy is, isn't it?
  4. According to some people, the personal associates of Sri Krishna can fall into a dream and experience material life again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again but this is not what Sri Chaitanya taught I have no interest in talking with such person who believe that the Residents of Goloka can go to sleep and start dreaming of eating fish and the flavour of the meat of cows.
  5. Sri Krishna teaches Advaita philosophy in Srimad Bhavavat 11.28.19 <!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote --> Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(102, 102, 102); padding-left: 3ex; padding-right: 3ex;" bgcolor="#e0e0e0"> Originally Posted by Krishna Gold remains gold both before and after ornaments are made of it. It only gets different names such as ring or necklace. Similarly, the Reality, the Cause of creation, is the same both before and after worldly objects receive their various names and forms. </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote --> there is also this <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(102, 102, 102); padding-left: 3ex; padding-right: 3ex;" bgcolor="#e0e0e0"> Ito nrsimhah parato nrsimho Yato yato yami tato nrsimho Bahir nrsimho hrdaye nrsimho Nrsimham adim saranam prapadye Wherever I go Nrsimha is there. He is in the heart and is outside as well. I surrender to Lord Nrsimha, the origin of all things and the supreme refuge. </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote --> This type of view of God is called Advaita.
  6. Iskcon people should understand Shankara before they start telling what Shankara's philosophy is. People look silly when they talk about things they don't understand. Shankara gives praise to Shiva, Durga, Vishnu, Govinda, Ganapati in so many prayers. He was seeing how the Supreme Being comes into this world in many forms to release the suffering of living beings.
  7. According to the Veda, the universe is created by Brahma who is a super-man but still a man, a jiva soul. According to the Veda, solid earth is created from more subtle elements, and the gases and air came into existence as a transformation of aether. Originally there was only subtle energy and that energy became more gross and formed into atoms and physical particles. According to the Veda, in the beginning of the universe there was a rippling of energy when the soul of Brahma began to re-engineer the substance he found all about himself. This rippling is the energy of Brahma's thoughts adn idea - the mantras and ideas he resonates with. Brahma did not create the material elements, he only re-fashioned substances that already existed and set them moving in a dynamic way so that material bodies were formed, and in "seeing to" that process Brahma saw other minds awaken within those newly formed forms, and those other minds in other bodies began to act within nature according to their svabhava, their inherent nature. So it was, that at the dawn of time when Brahma was residing over the waters of eternity the evil propensity of Madhu and Kaitabha arose spontaneously from within the ocean of devastation. Brahma awoke, and evil beings also awoke. Science says matter evolved from other stuff. The Veda says the same. Maybe evil forces will awake within the Large Haladron Collider. Or maybe not.
  8. You are quoting the words of Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakura out of context, and indeed in the proper context it is clear that he is saying something altogether different from what you purport he is saying. This quote is from a discussion with Professor Suthers, in which Saraswati Thakura said: The meaning is clear. Srila Saraswati Thakura is talking about how the jivas attending the Lord's sports are jiva-souls in the material world who become involved in the sports of the Avataras who descend into the brahmanda, the material universe You make it seem as if he is saying something about how souls engaging in sports in sakhkya-dasya-vataslya-madhura rasa in Goloka can fall down. Please note once again the quote I gave before Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(102, 102, 102); padding-left: 3ex; padding-right: 3ex;" bgcolor="#e0e0e0"> Sri Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakur: Before acquiring material designations, the living entity is supremely pure. Even though he is not engaged in serving the Supreme Lord, he remains situated in the neutral position of santa-rasa due to his marginal nature. Though the living entity born from the marginal potency does not at that time exhibit a taste for serving the Lord due to a lack of knowledge of self-realization, his direct propensity of serving the Supreme Lord nevertheless remains within him in a dormant state. Though the indirect propensity of material enjoyment, which is contrary to the service of the Lord, is not found in him at that time, indifference to the service of Hari and the seed of material enjoyment, which follows that state of indifference, are nevertheless present within him. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The living entity, who belongs to the marginal potency, cannot remain indifferent forever by subduing both devotional and non-devotional propensities. He therefore contemplates unconstitutional activities from his marginal position. As a sleeping person dreams that he is active in the physical world without actually being involved in activities, when the dormant indifferent living entity of the marginal potency exhibits even a little apathy to the service of the Supreme Lord and situates himself in a neutral, unchanging condition for even a little time, he is infected by impersonalism. That is why the conditioned soul desires to merge in the impersonal Brahman, thus exhibiting his mind's fickle nature. But due to neglecting the eternal service of the Lord and thereby developing the quality of aversion to the Lord, he cannot remain fixed in that position. In this way aversion to the Lord breaks his concentration of mind and establishes him as the master of this world of enjoyment. from Brahmana o Vaisnavera Taratmya </td> </tr> </tbody></table> In the quote you gave from the conversation with Prof Suthers, Srila Saraswati Thakura does not contradict what he wrote in Brahmana o Vaisnavera Taratmya, where he wrote that the souls who fall in this world were not engaged in serving the Supreme Lord before they fell. <!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote -->
  9. Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Madhya 24.163 This purport by Srila Prabhupada is a word for word copy of the Bengali commentary to this verse written in the Anubhasya (CC commentary) of Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakura. That is, Srila Prabhupada is repeating what Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakur wrote in his commentary to 2.24.163 The soul who is in the state of prapta-svarupa-siddhi is a liberated soul with no physical body. Note that according to verse 2.24.121 this type of soul is a person who is immersed in impersonal Brahman realization. A soul who is prapta-svarupa-siddhi is an impersonalist and not a person engaged in bhakti. A soul such as this regards God as being Nirguna or in other words as having no-qualities or form (nirvisesa brahma). It is from among these liberated souls who Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati says do not "exhibit a taste for serving the Lord" that souls come down to this world. The Bhakta will never fall down, it is only the souls dwelling in the rays of the Spiritual Sky who fall down into Maya. As Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati says, "Before acquiring material designations, the living entity is supremely pure. Even though he is not engaged in serving the Supreme Lord". There are different categories of devotees in Santa Rasa. According to CC, it is from the Santa-Rasa group that souls fall down into Maya. Souls who are in the groups of Radharani, Yashoda or Subala never fall down and imagine they are enjoyers of material experiences.
  10. A person in full realization sees everthing within Narayana and Narayana within everything. Prahlad, Catuhsana then so many others such as Gajendra in Bhagavatam say they see Vishnu everywhere within every thing. The analogy about how the spider creates the world from himself which I quote is from the Upanishads it is not my own idea. This is what the Veda teaches. You say when the web comes from the spider then the web is totally independent of the spider and it is something which is not identical to the spider to our eye. But our big problem is we have this EYE which sees things in the wrong way. With pure knowledge we will see only Narayana everywhere. Gita says, a sage sees Narayana in the heart of dog-eaters, elephant, brahmin. Even in the stones, Naarayana is present there. This is what Prahlad told Hiranya Kashyap. Pralad said Vishnu is in that pillar then Vaikunthanatha came out from within the pillar.
  11. Rg Veda tells in the Purusha Sukta how God (Purusha) has many parts. Purusha sukta says Purusha has hands, legs, eyes. From different parts of this Being Purusha come different things such as sun, earth, brahmins, devas, princes etc. Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 2.1.20: As a spider brings forth a web from within itself, so also it is with this world created by Brahman. Svetasvatara Upanishad 6.10: The Supreme Being surrounds Himself with the products of nature, just as when a spider builds a web and walks on threads spun from its own body. May that Supreme Being grant us liberation in Brahman! Uddhava said to Nanda (Krishna's father): Anything which is seen or heard of, which has gone by or is existing now or is yet to happen, anything which is mobile or immobile, big or small, is not apart from Acyuta (Sri Krishna). He alone is everything. He is the supreme soul (paramatma). Bhag 10.46.43
  12. Pranams to Shiva. All the gods worship him. He does not wear flower garlands, his garland is living snakes. His colour is like the moon. He has five heads and he is always chanting the Names of Sri Rama and Hari. In one hand he holds his weapon, Parasu, and by one hand he is giving fearlessness to the devotees. Vandanam to Gangadhara, Lord Sada Shiva who is dear to Sri Hari and who is wearing the moon in the sky on his head.
  13. Maya and Parambrahma are one and the same? Then why strive to escape Maya? This is a childish view of Vedanta. You should find someone to teach you the real conclusions of the Veda before you go off spouting your big ideas in forums such as this. You remind me of the toy steam train that goes from Sealdah to Darjeeling. On your way to Darjeeling you can enjoy a nice cup of tea and a jolly conversation with your fellow travellers but all the things you are saying are just hot air coming out of your chimney.
  14. You are wrong. The Upanishads and Vedanta say the jiva, Maya and Parambrahma are all unborn
  15. Advaita is true. But the eternal jiva-soul is only a tiny part of the One. The jiva can attain yoga (union, oneness) with God but the jiva will always be a dependent being while the Paramatma (God) will always be the Lord.
  16. Krishna himself teaches non-dualism to Uddhava in Srimad Bhagavatam. In the Srimad Bhagavat Purana (11.28.19) we read Sri Krishna saying: There are many verses in Bhagavatam saying the God is "All" and that the supreme being is non-dual. Indeed it is true that god is non-dual Oneness but the tiny atoms called "jiva" are not God. They are just tiny atoms of light shining from the Supreme Light called Param-Brahma. <o:p></o:p>
  17. Whose ideas are you repeating here? Adi Sankara's commentary to Brahma-sutra Pada 4.4 doesn't say anything in any place about "3 encasements". Here is Radhika's statement in #124 Radhika's belief about how there can be "the birth of new souls" is contrary to the teachings of the Upanishads. In the Katha Upanishad we read this: Verses 18 and 19 are repeated word-for-word in the Gitopanshad. Radhika and Srikanth, please note the word "unborn" and contemplate its meaning. This is what the Vedas teach. The idea that the individual soul is born and then dissolves into the Brahman consiousness is opposite to the teachings of the Rishis and the Vedas. When the atma attains yoga with Paramatma the atma is one with the Supreme, as per the example of a green bird entering into a green forest. This is the conclusion taught by Sri Ramanuja. When the atma is merged in the Brahma-jyoti they are passive and not Lordly. Sutra 4.4.17 states that the liberated jiva-atma who is Brahman (aham Brahasmi) does not have the power that the param-atma (Param-Brahma) always possesses. The jiva and the paramatma are one and filled with bliss but the jiva-atma-jyoti is limited whereas the Paramatma is unlimited. This is clearly stated by Badarayana in sutra 4.4.17 Please study the Vedanta with an open mind free from the prejudices of sectarianism.
  18. Cowherd boys play a wonderful role in the pastimes of Sri Krishna, including when Krishna enjoys pastimes with Sri Radha and her associates. This week I read (once again) the Sri Dana-keli-cintamani book by Srila Raghunath Das Goswami describing how Krishna and his cowherd boy playmates enjoyed the "toll collector" pastime at Govardhana, where Sri Radha, Lalita, Vishaka and the other gopis had to pay a toll to Krishna. The cowherd boys make jokes with the Gopis and the Gopis laugh along with them. I personally think it is because of immaturity that people think all the Acaryas MUST be manjaris or gopis in their Svarupa-siddha. If some MAHATMA feels naturally attracted to participate in the LILA in a form of a cowherd's child, all glory to that MAHATMA. It is ignorance in the extreme to think that to be a cowherd boy associate of Krishna is somehow "not good enough" for a Gaudiya Acarya. There were many great Gaudiya Acaryas of the past who were in the mood of cowherd boys, and who were all connected to that supremely great MAHATMA Sri Nityanananda Prabhu. Many people have a fundamental of a lack of understanding about the fact that the Parampara has come down through a line of siksa-gurus, and that when a devotee is mature in devotion they will choose to serve under the guidance of a particular Vrajavasi group leader such as Subala, Yashoda or Sri Rupa Manjari. It is not that in the Spiritual Sky there will be an ISKCON temple where Radha Krishna are being served, and where all the devotees initiated by Prabhupada or his successors will be serving Radha-Krishna in an everlasting "Prabhupadanuga" group that exists eternally within Goloka.
  19. Svetasvatara Upanishad (1.1.1-3):<o:p></o:p> Sages, discussing Brahman, ask, is Brahman the cause? From whence are we born? By what do we live? Where do we dwell at the end? Please tell us, O you who know Brahman, under whose guidance do we abide, whether in pleasure or in pain? Should time, or nature, or necessity, or chance, or the elements of nature be regarded as the cause? Or He who is called the Purusha, the Higher Self? The sages, absorbed in meditation through one-pointedness of mind, discovered the creative power (devatmashakti) belonging to the Lord Himself, hidden in its own qualities. The One Lord Who is non-different from his Power (devatmashakti) rules over all other causes (time and the rest). This, they discovered.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Svetasvatara Upanishad 6.10: <o:p></o:p> The Supreme Being surrounds Himself with the products of nature, just as when a spider builds a web and walks on threads spun from its own body. May that Supreme Being grant us liberation in Brahman! Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 2.1.20: <o:p></o:p> As a spider brings forth a web from within itself, so also it is with this world created by Brahman. <o:p></o:p>
  20. नित्योऽनित्यानां चेतनश्चेतनानाम् एको बहूनां यो विदधाति कामान् ।<o:p></o:p> तमात्मस्थं येऽनुपश्यन्ति धीराः तेषां शान्तिः शाश्वती नेतरेषाम् ॥ १३ ॥<o:p></o:p> Katha Upanishad 5.13. "Among all the eternal beings there is One who is the Supreme Eternal Being. Of all conscious living entities, there is One who is the Supreme Conscious Entity. That Supreme Living Entity maintains the others and fulfills their desires according to their merits. Only saintly persons, who see the Supreme Lord within and without, actually attain perfect and eternal peace." This verse explicitly says that a multitude of living beings exist forever. The word “nityanam” in this verse indicates plurality, meaning that all souls exist forever. The meaning expressed in this verse is clearly opposed to various doctrines taught in other systems of thought: The Advaita Vedanta theory that formless Brahman alone exists and that individual souls and not not everlasting or are an illusion; the Theravada Buddhist notion that there is no eternal individual soul; the Biblical notion that souls were created at some point in time by God.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Sri Madvacharya, furthermore, states:<o:p></o:p> There is no possibility of any destruction of the Ultimate Consciousness of the Supreme Lord. The same similarly applies to the individual consciousness of all living entities. The Supreme Lord is the supreme eternal among the many eternal, the Ultimate Consciousness among all individual consciousness, the One Who, so desiring, manifests as the many. The connection and disconnection from a physical body is what is known as birth and death. Such is this reality for all living entities suffering in illusion.<o:p></o:p>
  21. A liberated soul can not only "sit around with Visnu" but what is more, like Krishna, she can eat and ride in carriages and be rejoicing all the time. Krishna's associates do that. They rejoice, while existing in their abode of Param Padam, Vaikuntha.
  22. How do you know what you believe is true? And what about abhavam baadariraha hyevam in Brahma Sutra 4.4.10 The meaning is clear enough. Badari says a liberated soul who has attained Brahmaloka can exist with or without a body according to his liking. What Adi Sankara said in the verse I quoted is perfectly in keeping with this statement by Badri in Brahma Sutra 4.4.10. Why would a non-material mukta soul like to have a body, if it were not for doing bhakti? If a liberated soul wanted a body so he could experience matter then he would fall from mukti because of his interaction with Maya. The only reason a mukta would want to have a body is to do bhakti to Narayana. What other reason do you imagine a mukta would want a body for? Would a mukta want to have eyes and ears so he could feel pain and experience samsara? Ridiculous. bhajagovindam bhajagovindam govindam bhaja muudhamate sampraapte sannihite kaale nahi nahi rakshati dukrijnkarane
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